Monckton’s Mexican Missive

From Nopenhagen to Yes We Cancun

by Christopher Monckton

Thanks to Wikileaks, everyone here in the Mañana Republic of Mexico now knows just how much bullying and arm-twisting the administration of Barack Obama in the United States applied to various countries around the world so that they would (and did) sign up to the Copenhagen climate accord.

Without that pressure, nothing at all would have happened at Copenhagen this time last year, and “the Process” – the interminable round of flatulent annual climate conferences in exotic locations at taxpayers’ expense – would have tipped into the gulch forever.

The hard Left has learned the hard way that democracies do not welcome it and, in the end, will reject it. So the climate extremists have abandoned last year’s attempt, in the now-defunct September 15 Copenhagen Treaty draft, to install overnight an unelected world government consisting only of themselves, with unlimited powers of taxation, economic and environmental regulation without representation, as well as control of all formerly free markets worldwide, all in the name of Saving The Planet (which, of course, was triumphantly Saved 2000 years ago and does not need to be Saved again).

Instead, the Martini Marxists dancing the night away doing the Cancun Can-Can with the 25 pneumatic bunny girls in the newly-opened Playboy Casino on the ocean-front strip in Cancun have decided to copy the bureaucrats of the European Union, whose crafty, crabwise coup d’etat over the last three or four decades has transferred all real political power, little by little, treaty by treaty, to the dismal dictatorship of Brussels.

Though there is a toothless democratic fig-leaf in the shape of the European “Parliament”, all decisions in the EU are in fact taken by a couple of dozen faceless, overpaid Kommissars (that is the official German mot juste for them) – faceless because they meet behind closed doors and then emerge to promulgate their “Directives”: on average, one every three hours, day and night, Sundays and holidays included, 365 days a year, 366 days on leap-years.

In Europe, democracy has gone. Perma-Socialism has quietly supplanted it. If demolishing democracy worked there, the enviro-zombs’ reasoning goes, it will work on a worldwide scale, if only the crumbling pretext for global tyranny – the supposed need to prevent catastrophic “global warming” – can be kept going for long enough even though most ordinary voters (in those nations lucky enough to have them) have seen through the scam long since.

The Process works like this. A multitude of long, inspissate, obfuscatory, obnubilating, obscurantist draft agreements are circulated, always a day or two late for delegates to find out what they have actually agreed to. The daily timetables for the various “working” sessions of the conference are never available until breakfast-time on the day, allowing no scope for planning the day. By these means, most delegates are kept permanently and completely in the dark.

Here is a typical paragraph from one of these leaden documents:

“The SBSTA welcomed the report (FCCC/SBSTA/2010/INF.10) on the second workshop of the work programme on revising the “Guidelines for the preparation of national communications by Parties included in Annex I to the Convention Part I: UNFCCC reporting guidelines on annual inventories” (hereinafter referred to as the UNFCCC Annex I reporting guidelines), held in Bonn, Germany, from 3 to 4 November 2010, which was organized by the secretariat as requested by the SBSTA at its thirtieth session.”

Try to read several hundred pages of this stuff. It simply isn’t possible. And that, of course, is the idea. This is the Mushroom-Growers’ Management Method writ large: keep them in the dark and feed them plenty of sh*t.

What these ramblings conceal is the remarkably rapid rate at which dozens – no, hundreds – of new bureaucracies are being created as The Process grinds on. As anyone at the Playboy Casino will tell you, “somebody gotta pay for all those lights.” And that somebody is you, gentle taxpayer. No one has yet managed to discover just how much these hundreds of new supranational climate-change bureaucracies are costing us. That is an international state secret – until Wikileaks gets hold of the figures, of course.

h/t to the Science and Public Policy Institute.

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152 Responses to Monckton’s Mexican Missive

  1. TomRude says:

    Indeed European bureaucrats will receive their pay raise this year while French civil servants won’t. Already warmist scientists are appointed to solid positions -such as Sciences Academy- just in case…

  2. TheFlyingOrc says:

    Seems a bit sensationalistic. And, even as a religious person, I really wish he had kept the Christ allusion out of it, as it allows those whose religion is environmentalism to call him a “Religious nut”.

    Doesn’t mean every word isn’t true, but the hyperbolic nature of the statements weakens it, in my opinion.

  3. Jimmy Haigh says:

    “Mañana Republic” – being pretty fluent in Spanish – I like it.

    El calimentando del mundo?

  4. OldOne says:

    “(which, of course, was triumphantly Saved 2000 years ago and does not need to be Saved again)” … Priceless!!!

  5. latitude says:

    Odd that you have to blackmail and bribe other countries to take our money…
    ..of course, that also means that the people running those countries have to
    give up power

    oh well….

  6. Steve in SC says:

    Martini Marxists.
    Apt description indeed.
    Perhaps “Corrupt Martini Marxists” would be better.

  7. AleaJactaEst says:

    Yes your Lordship, but how do we wrestle the power from the cold grey hands of these autocrats? My vote in May didn’t work.

    I exercised my right and voted for and got my choice of Government (just) but at the cost of having an Environment Secretary who’s redder than Komrade Millibrain ever was in the same position.

    Now the correctly coloured party is in Government it still wields absolutely no power or effects any change to which I voted them in to execute on my behalf.

    Out of the frying pan into the fire.

  8. Edward Bancroft says:

    Very colourful article article, Monckton, but apart from telling us that our climate science has long been hijacked for political purposes, do you have a plan for de-bureaucratising the subject, so that at last the science can be foremost and we can get off the tax and cant treadmill?

  9. I’ve repeatedly said that only the free spirited people of America (i.e. most of you) can reverse this insanity. Come on you Yanks, show the World the way!

  10. James Barker says:

    Would anyone ever expect an Honest Martini Marxist?

  11. Mark says:

    I agree with the TheFlyingOrc, lets keep the religious stuff out of here. I don’t have any use for organized religion and making these kinds of references just reinforces the notion that climate skeptics are just raving Christian Fundamentalist Crazies!

  12. Manfred says:

    we are obviously much closer to loosing our world as we know it
    than previously thought.

  13. Ray says:

    I always enjoy reading from Lord Monckton. My vocabulary always gets richer.

    Like the great Rex Murphy has suggested, the climate scientist at Cancun are turning into “Cleavage Researchers”.

  14. OldOne says:

    Orc,
    That’s Monckton’s style. Inhofe can be more diplomatic.

    Re: the Christ allusion, I respectfully disagree. While he could have said something wry like it had been saved at the last few COPs, I think he said what he did to hold up a mirror so they would see that what they’re preaching IS religion, with its own brand of salvation.

  15. Jimmy Haigh says:

    Sorry – I can’t help but think of my musical hero – here is is ‘Echoes of Spain’.

  16. Jimmy Haigh says:

    TheFlyingOrc says:
    December 6, 2010 at 11:10 am

    I agree. We don’t need God on our side – only the weak do.

  17. Luis Dias says:

    (which, of course, was triumphantly Saved 2000 years ago and does not need to be Saved again)

    Ahahahah! Monckton really knows how to entertain…

  18. DBD says:

    martini marxist=gucci socialist:)

  19. jack morrow says:

    I might vote different than those at the Cancun conference, but I think I would enjoy the party.

  20. tallbloke says:

    AleaJactaEst says:
    December 6, 2010 at 11:24 am (Edit)
    Yes your Lordship, but how do we wrestle the power from the cold grey hands of these autocrats? My vote in May didn’t work.

    I suspect we will have to eject them from their offices, into the road.

  21. Kate says:

    OK, Monckton, you want some from WikiLeaks?

    How about this…

    WikiLeaks cables: US pressured UN climate chief to bar Iranian from job

    Rajendra Pachauri denies helping Washington block scientist from senior post on intergovernmental climate body

    • Cables reveal how US manipulated climate accord
    • Lifting the lid on America’s secret climate tactics

    …There now follows a detailed description on all the political backstabbing and not-so “diplomatic” maneuvering around who was appointed to which position at the IPCC you can read about here:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/06/wikileaks-rajenendra-pachauri-iran-un-climate

  22. pyromancer76 says:

    Too many people seem not to have got Moncton’s point except OldOne. With tongue in cheek he is saying give unto god (religion) that which is god’s and give unto governments that belongs to them. Enough of “saving” humankind with their fascist plans and bureaucratic controls. Tis is not their responsibility.

    Yes, the next step is what action do “we” take to pry their bony hands from the reigns of power and strings of the purse. I do believe that once again it will be the U.S. in the lead and the first step must be to get our own fiscal house in order (more teaparty that recognizes that not only conservatives and libertarians are active, but former Democrats and Independents — we are all sick of this Demo-Repub mess).

    As part of that effort, we must decline our membership in the U.N., give its headquarters to some deserving nation, and begin to offer foreign aid only to those countries that have representative democracies or are willing (with proof) to work on that development. I wonder how much we would save? Does anyone have those numbers?

    Thanks, Christopher Moncton, for being there all the way through.

  23. Fred says:

    Martini Marxists, 1st cousin to a Tequila Technocrat.

    When life gives you lemons, bust out the Tequila . . .

    This time around I think the US is actually smartened up and is using Cancun/COP16 to poke China in its imperialist eye.

    Same/same for the Japanese.

  24. R. de Haan says:

    In the mean time:
    British Elderly riding the bus all say to stay warm
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/215510/Britain-is-freezing-to-death

    Obama made “Big Mistake” on Climate Bill
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-05/obama-made-big-mistake-on-climate-bill-turner-says-update1-.html

    I think we have to start kicking some ass at both sides of the Atlantic.

  25. Jimmy Haigh says:

    tallbloke says:
    December 6, 2010 at 12:01 pm

  26. Monroe says:

    Bravo!………and funny

  27. 1DandyTroll says:

    Chapter 1 verse 1 of the climate hippie religion bible in Googlianish:

    La Unión Europea se creó en la sangre. Luego vino la sangrienta eurócratas muertos vivientes y nos chingó fuera de nuestro dinero duramente ganado. Y para salvarnos de los desastres climáticos llegaron los hippies pseudo científico climático y sopló humo de hachís hasta el culo colectivo y nos robó ciego. Y en esa realidad de color inducidos que se aparearon.

    Brotado hizo el Mannians para mostrar al mundo distópico los maravillosos colores de la utopía de la realidad hippie Algorian.

  28. Darrin says:

    Unfortunatly we can’t directly eject most of these bureaucrats (at least here in the U.S.). What we can do is replace elected officials who do believe in CAGW with those that strongly disagree. Those newly elected officials can then appoint department heads who have the power to hire and fire said bureauctats.

    That’s what lots of people don’t get. The real power for the elected top dog is the power of appointment. A governor or president can ask, suggest, threaten and cajole the legislature but can’t make laws themselves. What they can do is put in department heads that agree with them who then make the rules (ie EPA).

  29. pwl says:

    Yup Christopher the greens are loving the mushrooms a wee too much of late, little do they realize being anti-co2 is being anti-green and anti-life as co2 is a key essential nutrient to the carbon based life cycle on earth and the more co2 in the atmosphere the better many species of plants will grow, faster and bigger, and that extra green is good for the plants, the planet and thus humans in more ways than one. The positive story of co2 needs to be told.

  30. Joe V says:

    Brilliant . Why did it take so long for the Monckton prose to get flowing, this time ‘though ? We’re already what, almost a week into the Conference and kept waiting for it’s whole raison d’etre . Monckton’s missives.
    Not getting distracted by the temptions of this years somewhat more exotic venue , one hopes.

  31. EthicallyCivil says:

    Orwell’s “On Politics and The English Language” should be required reading.

    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

    When the writing is that obscure (c.f. the Cancunism cited), watch the pea under the thimble very, very carefully.

  32. Enneagram says:

    R. de Haan says:
    December 6, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    From the link you gave:
    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency plans to start regulating carbon from power plants and oil refiners starting in January.

  33. Curiousgeorge says:

    God, I love his oratory skills. The man deserves a statue of stature somewhere. :)

  34. theduke says:

    Jimmy Haigh says:
    December 6, 2010 at 11:40 am

    TheFlyingOrc says:
    December 6, 2010 at 11:10 am

    I agree. We don’t need God on our side – only the weak do.
    ———————————————————————————–

    Cmon, guys. Has it come to this? That people can no longer even mention their Christian faith in passing? And in light-hearted fashion at that? When you start imposing those kind of restrictions you are doing the work of the politically correct for them.

  35. dwright says:

    Monckton delivered a well placed Missile , IMHO
    Kudos to you Sir.
    [d]

  36. D. King says:

    Bob(Sceptical Redcoat) says:
    December 6, 2010 at 11:31 am
    “…Come on you Yanks, show the World the way!”

    Stay tuned Bob, November was the warm up.
    The House changes hands in January.

  37. Engchamp says:

    I wish that I had the vocabulary and linguistic expertise to orate as does Christopher Monckton.
    Having just seen a few of You-tube’s recordings of CM, I am equally amazed at his knowledge, memory recall and ability to get the point across, in a way that any of us (who are at least literate, and speak English) can understand.
    He also underlines the fact that one does not have to be a professor in order to attempt to understand climate science, if one can call it that. I am not suggesting that CM understands the multiple variables that are integral with climate science, but he certainly comprehends data, and how statistics are manipulated.
    I have commented before on the injustice of unelected bureaucracy especially within the EU and UN, and can only commend CM for reinforcing and enriching my personal antipathy toward the potential oligarchy at present debauching in Mexico, and not at their own expense.
    I am now aware of the faint effluvium of porcine flatulence, as far as 55degN.

  38. Neal Asher says:

    Slightly off topic, but you gotta chuckle:
    Hugo Chavez: Climate change ‘due to criminal capitalism’
    http://news.scotsman.com/news/Hugo-Chavez-Climate-change-39due.6650851.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000

  39. Kirly says:

    that was impressive! for a minute i thought i was reading one Mark Steyn’s very funny and informative pieces. (this is meant as a compliment to Monckton in case that is not clear).

  40. Michael says:

    Lets take a look at a whole bunch of losers who lost a bunch of mony on the carbon(CO2) credit scam.
    Thanks to all of us for our efforts to cost a whole bunch of bozos a whole lot of money, then causing them to lose all the proceeds from that scam.

    “BISMARCK, N.D. — A national program that paid farmers millions of dollars for reducing greenhouse gasses has fizzled amid uncertainty about U.S. climate legislation, stopped paying dividends and will no longer taken enrollment after this year, the president of the group running it said.

    The North Dakota Farmers Union awarded farmers carbon dioxide credits for using techniques that reduced emissions of carbon and other gasses tied to global warming and distributed the proceeds when those credits were sold to businesses, cities and others. About 3,900 farmers and ranchers from 40 states have earned about $7.4 million through the program since it started in 2006.

    But carbon credits that fetched up to $7 a metric ton a few years ago are now nearly worthless, said Robert Carlson, president of the North Dakota Farmers Union. The group has 6 million tons worth of credits that have gone unsold, and while it will continue to try to sell those, no new credits will be issued after this year, Carlson said.

    The program based in Jamestown is the largest of about a dozen similar carbon credit programs nationwide that cater solely to farmers and ranchers. Those other programs are facing the same difficulties, said Roger Johnson, president of the National Farmers Union in Washington and a former North Dakota agriculture commissioner.”

    Carbon Credit Programs For Farmers Fail Without Climate Bill
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/06/carbon-credit-programs-fo_n_792424.html#comments

  41. Ric Werme says:

    Steve in SC says:
    December 6, 2010 at 11:21 am

    > Martini Marxists.
    > Apt description indeed.
    > Perhaps “Corrupt Martini Marxists” would be better.

    Not alliterative enough. How about Marinated Martini Marxists?

    I’m surprised The Viscount has so little of substance to report. Sounds like there may be nothing going except congratulating the authors of bureaucratic tomes like “Guidelines for the preparation of national communications by Parties …” for their dedication.

    I think I’d rather hear some Vogon poetry.

    Oh – B Ark! That’s what triggered the Vogon thought.

    Is Cop-16 only attended by the B Ark folks? And is it COP-16 or Cop-16?

    (If you don’t understand the reference, see http://everything2.com/title/B+Ark )

  42. RockyRoad says:

    Those that would take umbrage at Monckton’s use of a religious one-liner need to read Al Gore’s book An Inconvenient Truth, for in it he insists it is the earth’s population’s religious responsibility (stewardship, actually) to save the planet from Anthropogenic Catastrophic Global Warming Disaster Climate Change Weirding Destruction (or whatever it is they’re calling it now).

    Go ahead–I’m sure you’ve all been itching to read it.

  43. Jeremy says:

    Europe needs a 2nd amendment.

    No, I’m not kidding.

  44. OldOne says:

    Curiousgeorge,
    Me too. Probably practiced on a soapbox at Speakers Corner when he was growing up.

  45. Engchamp says:

    Mr Bancroft says:-
    “Very colourful article article, Monckton, but apart from telling us that our climate science has long been hijacked for political purposes, do you have a plan for de-bureaucratising the subject, so that at last the science can be foremost and we can get off the tax and cant treadmill?”
    But that is exactly what Christopher Monckton is doing. By advertising what is wrong with the AGW mob, he is exposing the real reason behind this “cant treadmill”.
    Deny the mob their climate computer models, the massive funding behind them and their pedantic, sycophantic political backing, then, and only then may we be able to make any real sense of climate.
    Google ‘green-agenda’, or ‘club of rome’, and you may get the gist.

  46. TheFlyingOrc says:

    Well, my point was only that he was giving his opponents ammunition. I’m a religious man myself, I’m just speaking towards how some people will take it.

  47. Kate says:

    This is a list of new recipients of federal climate change money. Does anyone see anything interesting?

    http://www.energy.gov/news/documents/2011_INCITE_Fact_Sheets.pdf

    DOE Supercomputers to Pursue Breakthroughs in Biofuels, Climate Change
    DOE has granted the largest ever awards of its supercomputing time to 57 innovative research…

  48. Dr. Dave says:

    Carpe Mañana!

  49. Alexander K says:

    Moncton has a very dry wit which I love. Making the point that the world does not need to be saved twice was gently and brilliantly put, but I suspect one has to have spent a lot time in an Anglican church (or Episcopalian) to get the full flavour of Moncton’s English, which reaches right back to its roots in the poetry of the King James Bible. I don’t think Moncton was claiming any special religious kudos or karma for himself or us sceptics, just making a point quietly. Thank the great Punkin, or whatever, that he is on the sceptic side!

  50. R. de Haan says:

    ArndB
    6. Dezember 2010 at 18:21 | Permalink | Reply
    A new Kyoto Protocol may be doomed but there is more reports the DW-World-DE (06Dec2010):
    “Yet two significant victories are within reach – provided an impasse over Kyoto can be resolved.” http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6297888,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

    FIRST: to secure the pledge made by the 2009 Copenhagen Accord’s , with a promise to raise $100 billion (75 billion euros) a year for developing countries as of 2020.
    SECOND: The other area of the talks which could yet prove successful involves securing a deal to compensate forest-rich developing countries in return for foregoing logging.

  51. mycroft says:

    I do wish some one would get some pictures of the “out of hours high jinks” that are going on at our expense.These B£$£$£$s need to shown up for what they are hypocrites of the biggest order…and bad scientists too boot.Living it up around the world,whilst preaching to the rest of us to reduce our carbon footprint.Revolution is around the corner.

  52. Layne Blanchard says:

    Enjoyed this article very much.

    WRT:

    “…………all in the name of Saving The Planet (which, of course, was triumphantly Saved 2000 years ago and does not need to be Saved again).”

    FAR too much being made of this phrase. OldOne’s got it right. It’s intended to illuminate….. and does so very well.

  53. R. de Haan says:

    Climate Summit speaker Health problems Obesity caused by fossil fuels!
    Maybe someone should tell him what mortality rates will do if fossil fuels are banned.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/climate-summit-speaker-health-problems-obesity-caused-by-fossil-fuels/

  54. Dave Springer says:

    “A multitude of long, inspissate, obfuscatory, obnubilating, obscurantist draft agreements are circulated”

    That should be inspissating not inspissate.

    I admit I had to look up both inspissate and obnubilate.

  55. Bruckner8 says:

    I thought it more funny than serious. I must have missed something, based on the serious responses here. Seemed the author was trying to out-pompous the pompous, out-droll the droll, and out-sarcasm the sarcastic. I laughed at the religious slam…wasn’t offended at all. I’ll probably forget all about this piece in about 2 hours.

  56. Gareth Phillips says:

    Lord Monkton usually makes some excellent points with reference to Climate change, but in this case if feel the honourable gentleman has rather strayed for the issue with his comments on everything from Mexican culture to religion and politics. I wonder if he re-reads this in the cold light of day he will think
    “I could have made the point much more efficiently if I had reviewed this before posting”
    Cheer up though though my Lord, your heart is in the right place, even if your verbosity sometimes gets the better of you.

  57. old construction worker says:

    Declare CO2 a non pollutant.

  58. DesertYote says:

    Mark
    December 6, 2010 at 11:32 am

    [snip - probably enough is enough ~ac]

  59. dwright says:

    Dave Springer:
    Many people miss the “dry sarcasm” and should look those words up.
    [d]

  60. R de Wind says:

    @ R. de Haan

    Probably not. In this case the global recession ( Nice theme for a next hoax ) has world leaders occupied with something of a real threat. Like last year the Climategate emails came at the right time the same can be said about the recession this year.
    Priorities lay elseware if politicians want to save there seats.
    Guessing your are a dutchman like me we should be glad this gouverment is seeing the right priorities.
    Get the economy up first and deal with green issues later.

    R. de Wind

  61. Gareth Phillips says:

    I suspect Lord Monktons posting relates more to his hate of the European community and left wing politics, than writing a contribution to the skeptical philosophers of this site. This extreme hate of the European community is binding feature with the hard right in the UK of which the honourable Gentleman is a dedicated member. ( I suspect they are still angry over the American colonies doing the same thing) While in itself, that’s politics for good or ill, it really does us no good to have the hard right or left using this site to promote their politics and I fear that Lord Monktons diatribe will have done us a great disservice in our efforts to demonstrate that the science is wrong and that we are not a bunch of right wing fanatics funded by shadowy energy corporations.
    It may then be useful if we could encourage a similar posting from a left wing perspective to even things up, or even from an environmental perspective. Until then or such time as we stop this political idiocy we are sleepwalking into the very situation our critics accuse us being submerged in. Every right wing essay undermines us that bit more, it is the politics of despair. Come Anthony, we can do better than this. In the meantime, take it easy and look after yourself.

  62. j ferguson says:

    Forgive me Lord (M).
    A bit more than a year ago you were trying to convince us that Obama would sign at Copenhagen, a treaty surrendering US sovereignty to a newly created agency which would by fiat monitor and control our various emissions. Instead we got a meaningless agreement.

    Obama, a constitutional scholar, would never sign such a treaty nor would our senate approve it.

    Is it so hard to appreciate the meaninglessness of meaningless agreements?

    Here we have another one. Be glad.

    For the rest of you, be most wary of the people you think are your allies. Surfing the waves of an astonishing vocabulary is not an effective mode of communication. Is it?

  63. JER0ME says:

    and in the mean time, CO2 demonisation becomes compulsory:
    http://english.cri.cn/6966/2010/12/05/2743s608619.htm

    The working group charged with drawing up the document came up with a definitive proposal that would be approved by the COP16 implementation body and then included in the Cancun accord.

    The proposal commits signatories to promote formal and informal education strategies covering the climate change phenomenon.

    My emphasis, as it implies this will be automatically approved – not sure if true.

  64. Christopher Hanley says:

    To a few po-faced commenters here, it’s called satire.

    Get it?

  65. RockyRoad says:

    j ferguson says:
    December 6, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    (…)

    Obama, a constitutional scholar, would never sign such a treaty nor would our senate approve it.

    Obama may be a “constitutional scholar” but that doesn’t mean he’d recognize or follow it–he’s pretty much shown his disdain for the document central to our republic with the appointment of czars, going around congress, passing health care in a most dubious fashion, and Wikileaks revelations regarding Copenhagen.

    And how do you know whether our senate would approve such a treaty? Many said the same thing about health care and now we’re stuck with it, at least for the time being.

  66. Jeremy says:

    j ferguson says:
    December 6, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Obama, a constitutional scholar, would never sign such a treaty nor would our senate approve it.

    Not to get too political here, but Obama also kept most of Bush Jr’s executive power privileges that he told his supporters he would abolish. He’s a politician, which means he does what’s politically good for himself regardless of what his intellect tells him is right. If he felt there were something to be gained politically by creating what Monckton described last year, I have no doubt he would have been on board with signing it. Remember that Clinton signed Kyoto. It is not unprecedented. As it happened, however, the situation turned into a scramble to save face, which before Copenhagen and the release of CRU e-mails, was actually difficult to imagine.

  67. Billy Liar says:

    R. de Haan says:
    December 6, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Obama made “Big Mistake” on Climate Bill
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-05/obama-made-big-mistake-on-climate-bill-turner-says-update1-.html

    From your link:

    “The climate bill is much more important than health care because the climate situation is about life and death whereas the health-care bill was much more limited,” Turner, 72, said.

    Has Ted Turner completely lost it?

  68. Nonoy Oplas says:

    I like this part, “the Martini Marxists dancing the night away doing the Cancun Can-Can… copy the bureaucrats of the European Union, whose crafty, crabwise coup d’etat over the last three or four decades has transferred all real political power, little by little, treaty by treaty, to the dismal dictatorship of Brussels.”

    Go-go-go Lord Moncton.

  69. British Patriot says:

    I have some concerns Lord Monckton is essentially correct in the change in strategic approach the whole climate change talks at Cancun are taking. It is looking very EU like, in the sense that the information coming out of the talks this year from the media is basically zero, so we don’t really know what is going on. Unlike at Copenhagen when they thought something massive was about to happen – but was scuppered by Climategate. Now we don’t know what dodgy agreement our leaders are making, giving away £$€ millions without our knowing it, even when we need those £$€ at the moment badly. This is what happened with the EU and we ended up with the EU Constitution (Lisbon Treaty by another name) which the people of Europe would never have agreed to (and in fact the French and Dutch both said no to the Constitution, and the British were never asked as we would’ve said NO NO NO).

  70. Dave vs Hal says:

    Gareth Phillips (December 6, 2010 at 2:07 pm)

    I totally agree with you.

  71. Casper says:

    The German press and politicians are writing off this conference, already. It’s over, and nobody sings “Time to say goodbye” better than Europe does. Sit back and enjoy this lovely tribute to Cancun (pre-recorded).

    Lovely! Isn’t this supposed to be a sad song? For me it’s a happy one.
    (By P Gosselin from http://notrickszone.com/2010/12/06/germany-forget-breakthrough-in-cancun-chancellor-merkel-not-even-attending/ )
    These are the days we are living for :)

  72. Milwaukee Bob says:

    Great post, Sir Monkton.

    To bad they didn’t pick Disney World/Orlando to Martini-up at. Maybe a couple of over marinated attendees might have froze their asses off.

    Gota go get the tropical plants in for the night.

  73. Milwaukee Bob says:

    opps, forgot to add – Damn this global warming!

  74. dwright says:

    Yes most of us do
    But ya never know how it’s going to be spun by the dou-bags.
    Proper English is not taught many countries, including North america.
    [d]

  75. David Jones says:

    R. de Haan says:
    December 6, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    Climate Summit speaker Health problems Obesity caused by fossil fuels!
    Maybe someone should tell him what mortality rates will do if fossil fuels are banned.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/climate-summit-speaker-health-problems-obesity-caused-by-fossil-fuels/

    And also point out that (almost) no-one is emitting carbon! That’s pretty nealy impossible!

  76. JPeden says:

    The daily timetables for the various “working” sessions of the conference are never available until breakfast-time on the day, allowing no scope for planning the day. By these means, most delegates are kept permanently and completely in the dark.

    But, Christopher, it is a ‘useful idiot’ paradise, after all.

  77. Mike D. says:

    Fie on you critics. Lord M raises free rhetoric to an art form.

    Gnashing, gnashing, gnashing your teeth over how “skeptics” will be perceived!!! Get a life!!! Shall we out-petty the petty bureaucrats? Out-smarm the MSM? Out-obscure the obscurantists?

    Go get ‘em, Chris. And thank you for your creative and humorous elegy for the dreadfully departed corpse of CAGW-CD.

  78. David Jones says:

    Gareth Phillips says:
    December 6, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    I wonder if he re-reads this in the cold light of day he will think
    “I could have made the point much more efficiently if I had reviewed this before posting”
    Cheer up though though my Lord, your heart is in the right place, even if your verbosity sometimes gets the better of you.

    His Lordship is English (British!) (from the UK!). In this Country (i.e. England) parody is a very useful tool; particularly against the pompous, self-regarding, left wingnuts!!

  79. David Jones says:

    j ferguson says:
    December 6, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    Forgive me Lord (M).
    A bit more than a year ago you were trying to convince us that Obama would sign at Copenhagen, a treaty surrendering US sovereignty to a newly created agency which would by fiat monitor and control our various emissions. Instead we got a meaningless agreement.

    Obama, a constitutional scholar, would never sign such a treaty nor would our senate approve it.

    Is it so hard to appreciate the meaninglessness of meaningless agreements?

    Here we have another one. Be glad.

    For the rest of you, be most wary of the people you think are your allies. Surfing the waves of an astonishing vocabulary is not an effective mode of communication. Is it?

    I repeat PARODY. Is that so hard to appreciate?

  80. dwright says:

    David Jones says:…..
    And it is a powerful weapon in the “wright” hands.
    Or in this case the “Watts” hands.
    H/T to Lord M as well, he “knocked it out of the park”.
    [d]

  81. RoyFOMR says:

    Thanks CM, you’re a true national treasure.
    It’s been a while since you last blasted a broadside and, although this was but a small commando raid, it’s bl**dy great to see you re-girding your loins
    to get stuck back into the fight for freedom again!

  82. hotrod ( Larry L ) says:

    Gareth Phillips says:
    December 6, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    I suspect Lord Monktons posting relates more to his hate of the European community and left wing politics, than writing a contribution to the skeptical philosophers of this site. This extreme hate of the European community is binding feature with the hard right in the UK of which the honourable Gentleman is a dedicated member. ( I suspect they are still angry over the American colonies doing the same thing) While in itself, that’s politics for good or ill, it really does us no good to have the hard right or left using this site to promote their politics and I fear that Lord Monktons diatribe will have done us a great disservice in our efforts to demonstrate that the science is wrong and that we are not a bunch of right wing fanatics funded by shadowy energy corporations.
    It may then be useful if we could encourage a similar posting from a left wing perspective to even things up, or even from an environmental perspective. Until then or such time as we stop this political idiocy we are sleepwalking into the very situation our critics accuse us being submerged in. Every right wing essay undermines us that bit more, it is the politics of despair. Come Anthony, we can do better than this. In the meantime, take it easy and look after yourself.

    So your solution of choice is either censorship of posts or “equal time” posting from all possible flavors of critics?

    Why is it so difficult for people to comprehend that blogs like this are open to any contributor? The views expressed in any post are rightly only applied to the person who posts them, and not some representative post of some “group de jour” that people want to hang a label on.

    The folks on this forum are also (for the most part) capable of separating topics contained in a single post. A post might include a scientific statement, a political view, and an opinion. The three are separable, and need not be conflated into one homogenized world view.

    Real people do not have entirely consistent views on all topics and might make sound and rigorous scientific comments and slightly loony political comments. One does not necessarily color the other. Even our great scientists had some interesting world views outside their core competency.

    I have no problem with an off hand reference to some religious comment, it neither validates or damages the value of other ideas expressed by a poster. It is what is, a personal view point. I am not hypersensitive about such things. Of late the secularists have been just as obnoxious as religious zealots who keep beating the drum for their religious view points. In so doing they are being religious zealots themselves — just that their religion is anti-religion.

    Get over it guys! No one cares that it bothers you that someone made an off hand remark that can be construed to be religious. Just like I don’t care that you choose not to believe in a deity. That is your choice and none of my business as long as you avoid taking every thread off on a useless tangent by crapping it up with some obnoxious comment about it and whining about every obscure comment that even remotely alludes to some political view point, religious thought, attitude or concept.

    The history of mankind is colored by religion for good or worse. In fact you cannot understand history if you leave out religious subjects, it is so deeply intertwined in politics and history of every culture.

    I don’t preach about my religion and I would appreciate it if you would not preach about your non-religion. I am not in any way offended by someone making a reference to their choice of a supreme being, it is simply their world view, just don’t beat me over the head with it regardless of which deity or philosophy you personally subscribe. Including non-religion.

    Such discussions are inherently non-productive in this sort of forum and are best left to private discussions between close friends, no to sermonizing on the web.

    Larry

  83. RockyH says:

    The saddest and most alarming part of Lord Monckton’s article is the fact that European democracy has been hijacked by such unsavory characters. The citizens have completely lost the right to vote.

    Who elected the “President of Europe,” Herman de Rumpuy? The citizens were never given the opportunity to vote. Yet Herman controls their lives and confiscates their earnings and wealth, and there is nothing they can do about it but say, “BOHICA” and pay ever higher taxes while their lives are regimented for the benefit of a shady elite.

    And why were the Irish disenfranchised in their vote against the EU? The rules were clear. Then they were arbitrarily changed; heavy-handed propaganda was used to bring about a second vote, authorization for which is found nowhere in the rules.

    Now the U.S. seems to be following suit, with the clear loser of the Senate election, Al Franken, installed into office based on fabricated votes and massive ACORN fraud. And Washington state’s pseudo-governor, Christine Gregoire, lost the election. Yet she sits illegitimately in the governor’s office, after ACORN ‘found’ ballot boxes, and the overseas military vote was not counted.

    Democracy in the world is dead or dying. It is certainly dead in Europe, which is now an unelected Socialist dictatorship. And the U.S. isn’t far behind, with massive cheating in every national election.

  84. j ferguson says:

    David Jones,
    Isn’t parody almost by definition lower case? Are your sure this is CM’s game?

    FWIW, I think O is perfectly capable of doing the meaningless thing to stall off dealing with a lot of his supporters who probably believe the CAGW nonsense. I have a lot more confidence in him than some of the posters here – maybe because he hasn’t gotten near my ox.

    Accords with agreements to worry the consciousnesses of our children are a bit troubling though, don’t you think.

  85. OldOne says:

    Billy,
    (December 6, 2010 at 2:25 pm)

    Perhaps he spent a little ‘mad money’ buying the shuttered CCE or GIMs carbon monitoring software for a penny on the dollar and is beginning to lobby … to sell s/w & credits, if not to us, to those IPCC sign-ons.

  86. Stephen Brown says:

    George Bernard Shaw was correct when he said “England and America are two countries separated by a common language.”
    The nuances inherent in the correct usage of English seem to be lost to those not of this Sceptred Isle.

  87. Ron Cram says:

    Obama is not a Constitutional scholar. Being a professor at a law school is not a qualification. A better Constitutional scholar is Lt Col Terry Lakin, a decorated Army surgeon currently being court martialed because he dared to demand Obama prove his orders were legal. According to a recent CNN poll, only 42% of Americans are convinced Obama was born in the US and is constitutionally eligible for the office – that means 58% are not convinced. In 2011, at least four states will discuss legislation requiring presidential candidates to submit a birth certificate before they will be put on the ballot in those states. Obama will not be able to run in 2012. Obama is no patriot. He cares nothing for the Constitution and he is no scholar. The Birthers are winning. It’s about time.

  88. David says:

    Re “James Barker says:
    December 6, 2010 at 11:32 am
    Would anyone ever expect an Honest Martini Marxist?”

    Of course James, if he was drinking with a champagne socialist.

  89. Douglas says:

    TheFlyingOrc says: December 6, 2010 at 11:10 am
    Mark says: December 6, 2010 at 11:32 am
    ———————————————————————–
    I think you two are just a tad sensitive regarding Viscount Monckton’s reference to the event of 2000 years ago given the context. It was really quite aptly ‘mission accomplished’ stuff.

    Douglas

  90. British Patriot says:

    Rocky H

    Completely agree with you. Democracy in Europe is dead. The current UK government is a clear example of that. And if it wasn’t for the brilliance of the American Constitution, it would be dead in the US by now as well, despite the efforts of some politicians over there to destroy freedom (and for Gareth Phillips’ sake, I include politicians from both parties in that statement).

    The light of freedom is dimming the world over. Somehow, it has to be relit, and defeating the lies of the science purporting to unequivocally prove the hypothesis of man made climate change is as good a place as anywhere to begin, given it is so abominably bad.

  91. David says:

    Monkton’s comments were more then parody. He was explaing how power can be gained and moved in the obscurity of bureacracy.

  92. DR says:

    I agree with old construction worker. They should legalize CO2 and not punish non-violent CO2 users. That way it could be regulated and taxed. Think of the benefits; economic prosperity, less crime, and fewer deaths. Permits could be issued for recreational use such as heating your home, growing food, breathing etc., thereby eliminating black market distribution.

  93. JPeden says:

    “Obama, a constitutional scholar….”

    If he knows it – the Constitution – why does he reject it? Obama really has had his fair chance to champion the individual human mind, and he has obviously rejected it. So I conclude that he doesn’t have one.

  94. Cynthia Lauren Thorpe says:

    A few thoughts regarding some ‘hiccups’ I’ve seen in the great discussion today:

    Hiccup #1. …’we don’t need God on ‘our side”…

    Obvious Answer: We’re on HIS side ~ not the other way around, I’m glad others picked up on that one, but I needed to second that.

    Hiccup #2: …mentioning God… could ‘detract from any knowledgeable scientific debate’…
    That, were it to become commonplace, is, tacitly agreeing not to acknowledge Science, as Science at all.

    True Science is God’s brilliance and our OBSERVATION of that Brilliance, nothing more. (Gosh…Where’s Chuck Missler when you need him…how many of you have seen his Genesis Commentary?…she ponders)

    Anything more than our Observation and what our brains deduce from that Observation simply isn’t ‘Science’ at all. More than that and we’re on that slippery slope of exalting our egos (ie: Ignorance on display for all the universe to see). That happily includes praying to some Mayan Jaguar Priestess. (and…wowie zowie, ain’t she a DOG, at that!!! – YECH!)

    Hiccup #3:…Monckton’s subtly crafted ‘Christian hyperbole’…

    Answer: I hope that as we discuss here, that we ‘come as we are’ rather than in an attempt to impress each other with astounding intellects. Either we’re comfortable in our skin, or we’re not.

    Let’s try to keep things plain and simple. It’s how humans function best. (Like when Einstein said that if he was proved wrong, one statement to that effect – rather than the 100′s he received – would’ve been enough. That’s the hallmark of an intelligent human…not petty bickering. That’s defensive and a sure sign of a small minded kids wanting their own way.)

    If we agree that we enjoy reading/listening to Sir C of M – then, I think we’ve GOTTA admit (among other things) that he’s a gifted Linguist. That shouldn’t be a ‘stretch’ when one considers the God of the Universe calls Himself “The WORD”, right?

    Truth is ‘simple’ and ‘direct’ (while being wonderfully deep, too – best discussed by a warm fire in an old pub) and when we begin to trivialize simple Truth – chalking it up to ‘hyperbole’ – we’re wandering onto shifting sand, my friends.

    Terms like ‘martini marxist’ (I’ve been around those elites at the U.N. and the term is precise!) is just another display of our hero’s delightful observations that roll from a humble and playful mind onto the keyboard ~ or outta the lips ~ whatever the venue may be.

    One of my specific prayers is that more of you guys believe in YOURSELVES in the same way Chris Mockton has learned to. (Don’t you have to WONDER what a biography of this guy would entail?!? Someone like him is FORMED from standing in a fire of affliction, no one is ‘made’ like that from birth.)

    We need more of you! It’s obvious that we don’t need more greedy ego-centric politicians. We need more ‘Smart Tools’ like most of you. Tools that God can pick up and use as He sees fit. One of the key ingredients is that you’ll need is to be ‘humble’ because when God picks you up, you may ‘think’ you’re gonna be a saw (on any given day) …but, He may want to be using you as a hammer, so a ‘key concept’ is keeping humble enough to remain supple in His Hands. (Ever tried hammering with a saw? Owch. It’s not a pretty sight, been through it myself.)

    So…….as this year rapidly comes to a close, I hope to see more of you rising to the challenges of our environment. The ‘clashing of Egos over who’s gonna govern the increasingly illiterate (by design) serfs’… is going to be ‘Epic’ at the very least. And, I think we’re gonna win and it’s gonna be almost fun getting there. Why? Why want to break out the V.S.O.P. and ‘think’ in a humble manner from depth of experience???

    Well…….for One: Elites actually believe their own propaganda machines. An’ I’ve seen their prodigy ~ not truly a ‘brain’ or a ‘heart’ among them, sad, but true. They’re the ‘blind leading the blind’ and those ‘the blind leaders’ won’t be able to discern that no one else is following them, themselves being blind. The result doesn’t bode well for our potential petty dictators ~ and regardless, we WIN.

    Chris Monckton is being his brilliant self in an environment that would give any of us a real headache, should we attempt what he has been truly ‘made for’.

    C.L. Thorpe

  95. Douglas says:

    What Lord Monckton is warning us about in his usual amusing, entertaining and erudite style is old the pea and thimble trick being played upon the world.

    We are all distracted by this utter nonsense called climate ‘whatever the latest description is now’ while at the time the action is to steal democracy and replace it with world dictatorial government – led by whom? We are all watching the wrong thimble. All the while, as he reminds us ‘the Martini Marxists [are] dancing the night away doing the Cancun Can-Can’

    The economies of Europe and the U.S. are so dysfunctional that I doubt if they can save themselves right now – let alone the planet by whenever the latest ‘must do’ time frame is set. In England it looks as if they can’t even organise sufficient salt and grit for the roads during the current blizzard! Blimy – such foresight – such skill!

    I think that it is time for a revolution now.

    Douglas

  96. James Allison says:

    Casper says:
    December 6, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    Its nearly always the Mrs and my last song of an evening. Although Susan Boyle’s Wild Horses is getting a serious round of listening to.

  97. Lindsay Holland says:

    inspissate, obfuscatory, obnubilating, obscurantist…………………..

    I do like his literary style !!!

  98. ginckgo says:

    I think I’ve just entered the Twilight Zone…

  99. dwright says:

    Cynthia Lauren Thorpe says:……………
    Well said, Madame.
    H/T to you, please post here more often.
    [d]

  100. John Baltutis says:

    Bob(Sceptical Redcoat) wrote on December 6, 2010:

    I’ve repeatedly said that only the free spirited people of America (i.e. most of you) can reverse this insanity. Come on you Yanks, show the World the way!

    We’re working on it. First change of direction occurs January 2, 2011.

  101. GaryM says:

    It was worth logging on to the internet today just to read “A multitude of long, inspissate, obfuscatory, obnubilating, obscurantist draft agreements…”

    Inspissate? Obnubilating? Really? Remind me not to play Scrabble with his lordship.

    As for Obama’s status as a legal scholar, this is reported to be the Note he wrote for the Harvard Law Review before he was elected editor: https://groups.google.com/group/alt.lawyers/browse_thread/thread/ec5d4fa44cde6699?hl=en

    Such (at best) pedestrian writing and analysis (even for a second year law student) hardly betokens a budding “constitutional scholar,” while listening to him speak sans teleprompter makes one long for the bumbling eloquence of GW. Moreover, I know of no other scholarly material on legal (or any other) matters Obama has ever published. So color me skeptical on Obama’s status as a scholar.

  102. dwright says:

    John Baltutis says:……………
    Agreed, the new Congress is going to shut this nonsense down.
    [d]

  103. nigel jones says:

    Monkers,

    I admire what you do greatly, and my style of dealing with things has been described as bone crunching, machine gunning the survivors and so on, but even so, I do sometimes think you overdo it more than slightly.

    There and again, I wouldn’t set myself up as a life coach.

    It has occurred to me that people sometimes need to be wooed away from a comfortable but destructive fictions and that the wooing process is something I’m better at priming others at than doing.

    But, you’ve got to do what’s you.

  104. Smokey says:

    Here is one of the true good guys, Oklahoma’s Senator James Inhofe, who was as instrumental as anyone in destroying the Cancun Global Warming Hoax:

  105. Douglas says:

    Video Clip
    God! I listened to his accent and realised that he is a New Zealander! What is it that has happened to we N.Z.ers lately that we have managed to breed gits like this one? Is there something in the water? We used to be solid, sensible stoic and taciturn. Now we are garrulous, gormless ginks!

    As I said God help us – maybe Christopher Monkton was wrong about that event 2000 years ago of Saving The Planet [“which, of course, was triumphantly Saved 2000 years ago and does not need to be Saved again”]. in his earlier post!

    Red faced Douglas

  106. Douglas says:

    oops Moderator my last post was meant to be in the Kook of the week thread – apologies.
    Douglas

  107. savethesharks says:

    Wow. “Obnubilate”. Had to look that one up, for sure.

    As always… like a flaming sword, Monckton’s words fly through the air, doing their damage along the way.

    Bravo!

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  108. Cynthia Lauren Thorpe says:

    Thanks, Dwight. I enjoy hanging out with the substantive intellects around here. I’ve enjoyed the Truth you bring, too. …and, John? What’s going on on January 2nd??? (I voted in the mid-terms by post and made sure they received it in Utah.)

    I too, liked what that ‘Sceptical Redcoat’ and others had to say. We’ve got some time, guys. There are now ‘Americans’ (alias – ‘Lovers of Freedom’) all over the globe and we’re from many ‘races’ and ‘cultures’ ~ And, the real ‘rush’ is – we’re actually LEARNING from each other and enjoying our differences rather than attacking them.

    We’re not the type that’s gonna be herded either. We’re linking up stalwart arms and even MORE stalwart hearts that will bring means of ‘support to our fellow man’. Nothing, Absolutely NOTHING could be better at this time, barring a second coming – that is.

    True collaborative efforts are being made on a breathtakingly beautiful scales around the globe and now that we’ve got a grip on the ‘context’ the ‘con’ WILL be lifted out and NOT BE RECYCLED, God willing.

    Remember when that Longshanks guy says in Braveheart… “The problem with Scotland is there are too many Scots…” ((I wonder…was Marg Sanger his mum?)) Well, my brilliant Scientist Friends…. just gleefully imagine ‘too many Americans’, ‘too many Brits’ and ‘too many of sooooooooooo many of us’ (‘they’ want to kill 4/5ths, right?) well, hahaha… We’re now all over this globe… AND WE’RE GENTLEMEN (and women, too – p.s.!) of HONOR – even WITH fluoride in our drinking water, no less.

    True Intellects are NOT fighting each other, either. (ie: trivial old crap like – blacks vs. whites – or, class warfare) We’re not falling for more of ‘their behavioral dogma’… (I remember sitting in Hillsdale College in 1977 being told that little ducklings could be convinced that milk cartons were their mum, how ultimately ghastly! Who RAN stuff like that, and WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO DO THAT NOW – TO OUR KIDS?!?) Sad fact is that the ‘not so omnipotent’ “THEY” are coming unhinged and thus being more and more exposed for the frauds they are ’cause they thought we could be led in a similar manner. (They believed their own hype, essentially.) Oh…there’s something about digging holes to trap folks in that they stumble into themselves…hahaha…)
    (I heartily suggest all “anti” theologians to read THE MESSAGE by Eugene Peterson, it’ll blow your minds, for sure.)

    Well, ‘so sad, too bad’ Freudian, Fabians, and whatever else you’re gonna morph into…

    We’ve got HEARTS & MINDS & SOULS that are currently linking up globally – and they weren’t made in some silly primordial soup concoction, either. (I could discuss Piltdown Man (sp?) but, I’d rather make you guys a GREAT turkey minestrone soup that’s certainly more fun than anything “they” can whip up, an’ it’s healthy, too.)

    It’ll soon be 2011 and it doesn’t matter any longer that Chris Monckton is a, a, ahhh well, WHATEVER his fun and cool title is……… or even that he talks with that GREAT accent that make ALL of us listen intently…!!! What truly MATTERS is that he’s an INDIVIDUAL BEING HIMSELF and he’s HELPING OTHERS in the process of ‘just being’ the indomitable, the ‘one and only’ – Christopher Monckton. ‘jus like you and I are ‘one and onlys’ too. We’re each UNIQUE and we’re actually enjoying keeping company with others who are totally unique as well. (As I used to say in Utah… “AMEN, YAHOO!”

    Just like, (and, coming from Armenian stock, myself – this was TOUGH…) it doesn’t matter that once, Walid Shoebat used to want to blow folks up being raised as a former PLO terrorist…! What ‘matters’ is that now he’s MY BROTHER, OUR BROTHER in TRUTH. He’s stalwart, he’s TRUE and he’s ooooooohhhhhh soooooooo PASSIONATE! He’s another ‘fearless leader’ – that, I’m CERTAIN would prefer an aggressive ‘pat down’ to a naked body scan irradiating his Dioxi Ribonucleic Acid in his genes…wouldn’t YOU? (I promise this ‘rant’ IS getting somewhere, guys…)

    Shoebat, Monckton, Horowitz, Levin, Wilders, that guy who keeps yellin’ at that weirdo VanRumpy-Whoever, Grant Jefferies (sp?) Joseph Prince, Chuck Missler, Ravi Zakaraias (even Beck, Warm American Smiles of Sincerity…) Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Anthony Watts, ALL THESE GUYS ARE HEROS (and many more I don’t know could be named, I bet!) They are to be prayed for when we face a quiet evening. They are men that INSPIRE – like, like – C.S. Lewis and Oswald Chambers, Boenhoeffer, and can you remember a truly GREAT Christian REBEL (and personal hero of mine) – Rich Mullins????!!! Well…….. yeah – sure. They’ve admittedly ‘passed’ outta this world… but, I’m CERTAIN they’ve got a front row seat watchin’ us, nonetheless!

    We’re now becoming the BIGGEST ‘ragamuffin band’, Rich Mullins could’ve EVER imagined, I bet! (and, he got most of his trouble from legalistic so-called “Christians” but, it’s another thing to call yourself ‘a name’ and altogether another to live up to that Name…) But, Rich was totally Christ-centered in a very ballsy way, indeed. Watch some of his talks on YouTube – and the lyrics of ‘Winds of Heaven Stuff of Earth’, are a personal favorite.)

    TRUTH IS RISING in this man-made cauldron drempt up by the Fabians. And……I’m INSPIRED. I’m Intrigued. I’m Hopeful! Do you know that we’re speaking and writing more TRUTH IN LOVE than has EVER been generated on a global scale and at such a rapid pace??? People ARE WAKING UP. …And, I, for one, am gonna keep learning and growing and sharing about all of you guys (and the larikin’ Aussies out here, too…!!!) (Oh yeah! I almost forgot about Chips Rafferty! John Wayne’s Aussie counterpart!!! Wowie Zowie!!!!!!!!!! WHAT MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) (swoon…….)

    As we gain in quiet strength, we are taking hold of the best that is within each of us. What I mean is that all of us have that spark of POTENTIAL BRILLIANCE WITHIN each of us and ‘if’ and that’s a really BIG ‘IF’ ~ we surrender these egos of ours and admit that others may know more about certain topics than we do… (and…while I’m at it – Why do you think there are no females in that bunch of names? Truth REALLY being told…….we’re (as a sex) the ‘worst of the lot’ ~ it goes back to Eve, me thinks!) But, I KNOW you guys can ‘wrassle even your womenkind’ and get them to admire you again, as you shine forth to become the men you were meant/created to be!

    We’re walkin’ forward. (Eventually and TOTALLY fearless – in LOVE) and… it’s gonna be a pretty doggone glorious future, in-deed, if I do say so, myself. No gulags
    for those of this ilk. Just Freedom. ((Okay…..I’ll admit it. I wanted to bid for that ceramic rooster Beck has on Upillar.com…….. as a symbol of the World Waking Up – but, they won’t let me, as I’m here in Australia. Prayerfully my son will bid on it for me…who knows…..)) and it’ll be THE BEST, better than any of us can individually imagine. We’ve just gotta keep doin’ what we’ve been doin’, and be OPEN to listening to Truth when we hear it. (It’s when that ‘little bell’ goes off in your heart, signaling to you alone that your HEARING TRUTH. It resonates like that lady’s voice, that lady from England’s singing voice…)

    May God grant that we all – as individuals- as intellectuals – and not as brute beasts (regardless what we’re told) submit to that task. The thought of it – gives me warm fuzzy chills all over… talk about ‘changing the climate’… And, that’s just what this site
    does for all of us, globally. (And, for the ‘naysayers’ – Freedom’s Light is just beginning to shine…but, with such a dismal countenance… it truly must ‘suck to be you’.

    C.L. Thorpe

  109. Phil's Dad says:

    I particularly like obnubilating. From the Latin “to cover with clouds” it is one Dr Spencer might also enjoy.

  110. Arno Arrak says:

    Good expose of bureaucratic government. The greenies sure have learnt how to exploit it. I used the link to his previous article on August 14th where he shows two temperature curves – one by the IPCC and another one he constructed himself. He is on the right track with his curve but he only shows the twenty-first century part of the satellite curve, thus avoiding the earlier, cooler region that also must be interpreted. The IPCC does use the entire satellite record but they draw a straight linr through it which has gives the impression of a uniform warming trend. But in so doing they treat the ENSO oscillations and the 1998 super El Nino as noise despite the fact that they are real and must be accounted for in any explanation of these data. I have studied them and have shown that the satellite data is disjoint and that the averages of the left and the right side are comprised of two parallel lines that do not meet. The one before 1998 traces out the center line of the ENSO oscillations and the one after 2002 follows the twenty-first century high.. In between is a four year transition region where temperature rises by a third of a degree and then stops. It is illegitimate to average the two sides of the satellite curve and it is totally illegitimate to include 1998 in any average because it has a different origin from the rest of the curve. But neither he nor the IPCC know how to properly represent this temperature curve which is covered with a fuzz of small peaks. They look like noise but they are not because they all appear in independent satellite records. What must be done to show the real temperature trend is to use a magic marker that incorporates the fuzz and thereby reveals the main temperature trend. I have done this in Figure 7 of my book “What Warming?” I am willing to send him a more up to date version of this temperature curve if he is interested. It is a graphic demonstration of the falsity of incorporating a step change into a linear trend which is what IPCC is doing and which nobody has called them on.

  111. E.M.Smith says:

    I love reading Monckton, for each time there are a half dozen new words and I learn one of them ;-)

    But he does have a handle on things. Though I think the Global Socialists are discovering that the USA is a harder nut to crack. For one thing, the 50 states can choose to tell the Feds “Go Stuff It”. No, they haven’t, but they can. Furthermore, the US Citizens can tell the various leeches: YOU! Out of the pool! (And we’ve only just started).

    Sadly, the one thing that will, inevitably, end the farce is what Iron Maggy said. Eventually they run out of other peoples money to spend. And we’ve just hit that wall. Even the Chinese have caught on. So try as they might to get more money to spend, it just isn’t there. The USA is so far in debt that all we can do is beg the Chinese for a rise in our Credit Card (presently about $250,000 per person, or about a $Million for the typical family of 4. How we gonna repay that on minimum wage?) while the EU is worse (more retired earlier on bigger Socialist Gravy Trains). And Japan? They are looking at THEIR piggy bank and finding it stuffed with US Treasuries and US Mortgages.

    So basically, the only real money pots left are the Rich Oil States of Islam, and they don’t play well with others when it comes to ‘wealth redistribution’ or China who is just way too savvy to ‘spread the wealth’ as they are busy collecting it.

    So while I’m continuing to fight the good fight on Global Warming, the simple fact is that we’re so far down The Road To Stupid that we simply can’t spend any more on Socialist Daydreams.

    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/tyranny-of-stupid/

    So try to suck up all the money you like guys, and we’ll write all the IOUs you’ll take. Just don’t try to cash them until tomorrow when the party is over, OK?…

  112. Dennis Dunton says:

    Billy Liar says:
    December 6, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    R. de Haan says:
    December 6, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Obama made “Big Mistake” on Climate Bill
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-05/obama-made-big-mistake-on-climate-bill-turner-says-update1-.html

    From your link:

    “The climate bill is much more important than health care because the climate situation is about life and death whereas the health-care bill was much more limited,” Turner, 72, said.

    Has Ted Turner completely lost it?
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Billy, I think the real question should be….did he ever HAVE it??

  113. Milwaukee Bob says:

    Cynthia Lauren Thorpe -
    Well said, both posts! Bravo! I hope the image that I have of those thoughts and quips smoothly flowing from your finger tips into your keyboard and computer is a correct one. I also will be looking for more.

    E.M.Smith -
    I too have the dictionary close when reading Monckton. And as to – For one thing, the 50 states can choose to tell the Feds “Go Stuff It”. No, they haven’t, but they can. Hate to disagree My Friend but they already have in many cases, going back to the beginnings of this great country (Civil War? Wyoming during the ridiculous Fed imposed 55MPH edict?) and THAT could be the Global Socialists Achilles Heel. They really do not understand our structure. 99.9999% of the people in the US, much less the rest of the world, do not know there are 51 constitutions that we are governed by in this country. So much for government run education! That said, while the States must and do act individually, they must coordinate their efforts to have true impact. The real story, of course completely ignored by the MSM, of the election in Nov. is that now 38 of our 50 states are now mostly Republican. @ this same time in 2012 it’ll be even more, I believe. And it only takes 34 to amend the Federal Constitution. Yes, interesting times we live in….

  114. Cynthia Lauren Thorpe says:

    Nope. Turner ‘never HAD it’ – not EVER. He just likes land.

    And, we know how Kevin Rudd’s party would make China ‘play ball’ by his cavalier ‘egging on’ of the U.S….

    And ~ your ‘fellow Scientists?’ ~ they’re dressing up as Pandas, for Goodness Sakes…

    I’ve got it.
    Let’s say ~ someday soon ~ we erect a statue to Monckton where the Georgia Guidestones USED TO BE.

    C.L. Thorpe

  115. vigilantfish says:

    hotrod ( Larry L ) says:
    December 6, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Bravo, Larry! A great put-down of censorship and political correctness of all stripes!

  116. MikeA says:

    Anthony, would it be possible to have an English language précis of Lord Monckton’s remarks for those of us who are not so linguistically gifted?

  117. Alexthe skeptic says:

    OldOne says:
    December 6, 2010 at 11:20 am
    “(which, of course, was triumphantly Saved 2000 years ago and does not need to be Saved again)” … Priceless!!!

    Me too.

    Bet this will make the rounds.

  118. Grey Lensman says:

    Cynthia said

    Quote

    It’ll soon be 2011 and it doesn’t matter any longer that Chris Monckton is a, a, ahhh well, WHATEVER his fun and cool title is……… or even that he talks with that GREAT accent that make ALL of us listen intently…!!! What truly MATTERS is that he’s an INDIVIDUAL BEING HIMSELF and he’s HELPING OTHERS in the process of ‘just being’ the indomitable, the ‘one and only’ – Christopher Monckton. ‘jus like you and I are ‘one and onlys’ too. We’re each UNIQUE and we’re actually enjoying keeping company with others who are totally unique as well. (As I used to say in Utah… “AMEN, YAHOO!”

    Unquote

    Brilliant, they will never understand that and that IS their downfall.

    As I say, “really what is the difference between a rock and a plastic bag in a landfill?”

    You need to read the lasted BBC, Richards Black and Branson (virgin) wanna tax Ships!!!!!

  119. Alexthe skeptic says:

    TheFlyingOrc says:
    December 6, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    Well, my point was only that he was giving his opponents ammunition. I’m a religious man myself, I’m just speaking towards how some people will take it.
    =============
    I am also religious, a Catholic, but I’ m not at all happy with the vatican spending all that money in putting up one of europe’s largest private PV intallations, just to be politically correct. Monckton’s half joke should reach Christianity’s leaders too because they are people too and most of all they are leaders too, leaders being led by their noses towards submission to the left/green/EU/Obama world-dominating alliance oiled by the global climate scam.

  120. Jimmy Haigh says:

    theduke says:
    December 6, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Fair point Duke!

  121. Jessie says:

    Just in from the back blocks of Australia – http://www.carbon-sense.com
    Folks might like to put in their own link to this site and newsletter.

    Primary producers in Australia would welcome the support.

    _______________________________
    No Rerun for “Rudd’s Folly”
    7th December 2010

    If images are lost or format mangled in transmission, you can link to a print friendly PDF of this newsletter here:
    http://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/no-rerun-kyoto-folly.pdf

    The Carbon Sense Coalition today said that Australia must not renew its Kyoto Agreement.

    The Chairman of “Carbon Sense”, Mr Viv Forbes, said that the current failing agreement was signed without due diligence by Kevin Rudd and should be referred to as “Rudd’s Folly”.
    .
    Forbes continued:

    “Appropriately, the death notice for the Kyoto mis-adventure was posted by Japan, the birthplace of Kyoto, when their representative at Cancun Resort announced:

    “Japan will not inscribe its target under the Kyoto protocol on any conditions or under any circumstances.”

    “Thus the four biggest economies in our region (USA, China, Japan and India) will not sign; nor will Australia’s big competitors in Brazil (iron and beef), Indonesia (coal), Chile (copper) or Canada (wheat).

    “If Australia is foolish enough to renew its Kyoto liabilities it will find itself isolated in the Pacific with only gullible Kiwis and faraway Europeans for company.

    “The old Soviets have benefitted from Kyoto by outsmarting everyone on choosing the base year. No one else will achieve the unrealistic Kyoto targets, which is lucky because they could not be achieved without a repeat of the Great Depression or the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    “The use of carbon fuels, more than any other index, indicates the health of the real economy. The only way to kill carbon is to kill the economy.

    “Japan was shocked to realise the billions in liabilities they had accumulated by not meeting Kyoto target cuts.

    “Australia avoided a similar fate by robbing Australian landowners. They stole carbon credits from landowners by imposing vegetation clearing bans. This trick can’t be pulled twice.

    “Kyoto also spawned many other wasteful schemes like pink batts, wind and solar toys, carbon burial schemes and regulatory empires.

    “The Kyoto Agreement is a costly failure, and the international meetings which document the failure have degenerated into the farce now on display at Cancun.

    “Minister Combet should enjoy his tropical holiday, keep his pen in his pocket and sign nothing.”

    More Info: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/01/cancun-climate-change-summit-japan-kyoto

  122. dwright says:

    Lensman:
    I think your “lens” is dirty
    Branson (virgin) is sending the Commonwealth into space.
    Troll.
    {d}

  123. David says: December 6, 2010 at 3:51 pm


    Monkton’s comments were more then parody. He was explaing how power can be gained and moved in the obscurity of bureacracy.

    Watch the pea under the thimble, as someone else here said.

    Monckton is a beautifully courteous listener, as we’ve all seen. Therefore he will have aimed pretty true, with his words here, and drawn pretty well the range of responses he would hope for. Also, he is not hated and vilified without reason.

    Ah, it is a difficult question. How can one be political without being flagrantly materialistic or naively revolutionary? How can one grow one’s soul, to rise to the challenge with uprightness, when neo-Darwinism denies that the soul even exists or matters? How can one say Your leaders are slowly taking away your citizens’ rights and powers, creating a growing army of dependent supporters hidden in bureaucracy, “health and safety”, the Litigation Culture, and academia, when everyone is well-fed? Can we remember just how few well-placed insiders it took to tip the Russian revolution into no-human-rights Communism?

  124. David says:

    As correctly pointed out by two posters (sorry guys – you were too far back up the list to find again) – isn’t it time that CO2 was DE-demonised..?
    Check out websites for commercial tomato growing – what do you suppose they pump into their polytunnels..? Yep – you’ve got it – CO2 – to concentrations of 800-1000ppm. Why do they do it..? Well – it ain’t to ‘increase their carbon footprint’ – I suspect its to make their CROPS GROW BETTER…
    While I’m at it – what do you suppose is the CO2 limit in submarines..? 400ppm..? 1000ppm..? Nope – its 8000ppm – and to the best of my knowledge no submariners have keeled over due to an excess of CO2.
    So – what chance of getting a sense of proportion back into government edicts..? Precious little I suspect – while they persist in pursuing a target of reducing CO2 by 80% (yes, that’s EIGHTY PERCENT) by 2050 – while completely ignoring their principal duty, which is to keep the lights on. Even more worrying is that the EU has sent our very own Jabba the Hutt (also known as Two Jags – or ‘don’t do as I do, do as I say’ John Prescott) to Cancun, to report back to them on what else needs to be done to keep the serfs of Europe singing from the correct hymn sheet…
    Back to CO2 – I’ve got an idea which I reckon is at least worth a Nobel prize. Instead of burying it at VAST expense to the poor electricity consumer – why not use clean-coal-driven fans to BLOW it at these stoopid windmills – that way they’d turn 24/7 instead of once in a blue moon..?
    I know – its brilliant, isn’t it..??

  125. racookpe1978 says:

    [Ah, but the fact that there is a CO2 "limit" of 8000 ppm on subs doesn't mean that CO2 is frequently at that high a level, nor that CO2 (inside a nuclear submarine trapped underwater for many days) is an ideal or desired environment. It just means that there aren't military-significant harms at that level when breathed by healthy young males for short times when we breathed them at those levels. 8<) Robt]

  126. I agree with everything Lord Monckton says, *except* for all that EU bashing. The EU is no more a “dictatorship” than all our different national governments. It’s a *general* problem on every level, everywhere that politicians sit on top and aim to decide too much. It’s not EU specific at all.
    The EU is a difficult project. To get the different countries closer together in cooperation is a daunty task, given the continent’s history (eg two World Wars the last 100 years, the Iron Curtain and lots of other junk). The EU deserves to be described in a much more positive manner. Even if we think that the EU presently is a bit too AGW friendly, we should also remember that it may very well also be a driving force in finally making sure that the greenie nightmare is buried and dead. And that may happen sooner then we think. There are many and a growing number of climate critics in a Europe covered in snow.

    –Ahrvid

  127. ChrisC1983 says:

    Some people on this site really don’t seem to be getting it. Linking god (whether you believe in him or not) to climate skepticism is a complete non-sequitur. This is supposed to be about AGW science, of which there are, of course, many rationally justifiable objections. As someone who is both a climate skeptic, a liberal and an atheist, I’m getting so sick of posters on this and other threads on this site demonstrating an implicit assumption that climate skepticism, right wing politics and religion are inextricably linked; and before anyone accuses me of intolerance, i have no problem with people believing what they like about anything, so long as it doesn’t pick anybody elses pocket. I realise monckton’s christian reference was satire, but it’s one of the few things he says that really grates with me like nails on a blackboard, he’s much stronger when he sticks to climate science; some of us neither need, nor want, to be ‘saved’, (nor do we find any reason to believe that jesus did save in the first place)whether it’s by self-aggrandising-AGW-proponents or Jesus, Mohammed, Odin or anybody else. It’s all irrational as far as i’m concerned and simply is not relevant, and i agree with those on here who say it harms the AGW crouds’ perception of us, by making us sound exactly like the anti-scientific, fundamentalist cranks that they, wrongly, generalise us all to be.

    ‘Hiccup #1. …’we don’t need God on ‘our side”…

    Obvious Answer: We’re on HIS side ~ not the other way around, I’m glad others picked up on that one, but I needed to second that.’
    -
    What? , Talk about begging the question, how do you, and how could you, possibly know that?.

    ‘Hiccup #2: …mentioning God… could ‘detract from any knowledgeable scientific debate’…
    That, were it to become commonplace, is, tacitly agreeing not to acknowledge Science, as Science at all.

    True Science is God’s brilliance and our OBSERVATION of that Brilliance, nothing more. (Gosh…Where’s Chuck Missler when you need him…how many of you have seen his Genesis Commentary?…she ponders)’

    This is a classic example of another fascinating discussion, which has sod all to do with climate. In any case, if you really want this discussion, the brilliance of science is arguably just as brilliant whether you give it a metaphysical narrative or not; as laplace said when asked why his view of nature and the cosmos had no reference to god: ‘it all works fine without that hypothesis’ – alright i’m paraphrasing, but that’s the gist of it.

    while we’re on the subject:

    ‘Of late the secularists have been just as obnoxious as religious zealots who keep beating the drum for their religious view points. In so doing they are being religious zealots themselves — just that their religion is anti-religion.’ -

    I’m sorry, i cant let this one go either. Were the abolitionists just as obnoxious as the slave owners in their opposition to them? We aren’t being obnoxious, we’re just expressing the views which society says it’s rude to posess, and taboo to express, you’re not expected to like those views, but disagreeing with them doesn’t make us zealous, amoral fundamentalists. Has it occurred to you that one of the reasons we atheists tend to be so angry might be because we are so wilfully lied about in so many ways?
    Atheists, secularists and humanists are reacting TO zealotry, as in the catholic church child rape scandal, if it’s obnoxious to be angry about this then please tell me what we could be righteously indignant about without being labelled zealous?. Atheism is not an ideology, there is absolutely nothing we are expected to believe on faith, therefore it doesn’t enjoin anyone into doing anything, it just means you dont see any reason or evidence to believe in god/s. Secularism by definition is about all views being equal in the public sphere, none religious and religious alike, neither one being oppressed nor priveliged; and religious beliefs being a private matter which no one can interfere with, so long as it doesn’t ask for special dispensation from the state for those views. what’s zealous about that? the only way you could possibly object to that is if you wanted to privelige one view, very likely your own, or religious views in general, over the rest of us.
    Climate skeptics are wider community than we’re given credit for, lets not give our opponents more reason to ignore our views. Stick to the science please.

  128. Keith Battye says:

    South Park . . . S9/E8 “Two days before the day after tomorrow”.

    Says it all , and so clearly, it could have been written by CM himself.

  129. Grey Lensman says:

    dwright seems to miss a bit of information.

    Latest from the BBC

    Quote

    The Carbon War Room, co-founded by Sir Richard Branson, has launched an online tool grading 60,000 commercial vessels according to their emissions.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11931883

    Unquote

    Clearly, he has every intention of going into space.

  130. Great!
    Lord Monckton does it again, thanks.

  131. Roger Knights says:

    Larry, Moe, and Curly say, “Cancun spelled backwards is nuc nac.”

  132. John from CA says:

    [snip - so far off topic it lives on another planet, this is what the tips an notes section is for ~mod]

  133. Roger Knights says:

    GaryM says:
    December 6, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    It was worth logging on to the internet today just to read “A multitude of long, inspissate, obfuscatory, obnubilating, obscurantist draft agreements…”

    Inspissate? Obnubilating? Really? Remind me not to play Scrabble with his lordship.

    LOL!

  134. Milwaukee Bob says:

    ChrisC1983 at 5:06 am
    Easy there Grasshopper! While you make some valid points, especially about the superfluousness of being labeled “anything” including being labelled zealous or zealots, you can no more separate science and religion than you can weather and climate or math and words or being separate and to separate. They are all illusions and products of the human mind and each human mind “sees” them differently. And where you say – Atheism is not an ideology, there is absolutely nothing we are expected to believe on faith… It is absolutely an ideology and you proved it by stating one of it’s tenants – you are expected (required) to NOT believe anything by faith. And, if ever there was or is a “subject” that absolutely requires faith, it’s science! Further, just because Atheism doesn’t enjoin anyone into doing anything So what!?! That just makes it devoid of any value. That’s the whole point of faith. Doing nothing is meaning less. It’s not what you don’t do in life that has value, it’s what you do, do that makes you human. It’s the difference between being “entropic” and “creative”. All of nature is entropic. The human spirit is creative. And therein lies the fallacy of Atheism being moral or “having” it’s own morality. With no intrinsic belief in the inborn knowledge of “right and wrong” (free will), “morality” has no base upon which to sit. And while it is true that it is solely up to the individual to decide what to believe, your continuing with it just means you dont see any reason or evidence to believe is proof only that you haven’t seen enough of the world.

    And while all views being equal in the public sphere may give one a warm feeling down ones leg, it is at best myopic and at worst naive. And here is nothing “equal” in the real world (except true opposites), only in our minds. And only the immature and insane “live” only in the mind.

  135. Douglas says:

    E.M.Smith says: December 6, 2010 at 8:22 pm
    I love reading Monckton, for each time there are a half dozen new words and I learn one of them ;-)
    ——————————————–
    Me too!
    ——————————————-
    But he does have a handle on things. Though I think the Global Socialists are discovering that the USA is a harder nut to crack.
    —————————————————————————
    The U.S. is out last hope for a return to sanity. The EU is fatally F*****d by the unelected commissars.

    Sadly, the one thing that will, inevitably, end the farce is what Iron Maggy said. Eventually they run out of other people’s money to spend. And we’ve just hit that wall. Even the Chinese have caught on. So try as they might to get more money to spend, it just isn’t there.
    ———————————————————————-
    Yup. Iron Maggie was right on the button over that – as well as the folly of establishing the Euro. This has lead to the present financial crisis there which prevents the PIGS from devaluing their currencies needed to rebalance their economies.

    ——————————————————————
    And –Christopher Monckton, as sharp as a tack, attacks all these things. Pity is, not enough people listen to him.
    Douglas

  136. Tim Clark says:

    Time for arms.

  137. ChrisC1983 says:

    ‘Atheism is not an ideology, there is absolutely nothing we are expected to believe on faith… It is absolutely an ideology and you proved it by stating one of it’s tenants – you are expected (required) to NOT believe anything by faith. And, if ever there was or is a “subject” that absolutely requires faith, it’s science!’

    Science advances by testing hypotheses and formulating theories of the accumulated evidence; and by the occasional aradigm shift. This isn’t really the same thing as faith, because it involves objective analysis of reality, (assuming you’re not a post modernist who doesn’t believe in objective reality) because the criterion for whether a scientist’s hypothesis (or faith if you want to put it like that) is valid, or not, is whether objective repeatable measurements confirm it or not. Belief itself doesn’t automatically confer truth to an idea, at best it begins with an idea of what might be true. Religion is all about faith, usually in spite of conflicting evidence or internal inconsistency of its texts. Furthermore, Atheism doesn’t have tenets; the reason we reject faith is because science informs us that anecdotes are the most notoriously unreliable form of evidence. We reject faith because of reason and not because we are expected to. As far as ethics go, many atheists, myself included, are humanists, so we do have concepts of morality; in as much as we all do because it is innate, culturally reinforced, and observable in many other social animals; it was an advantage for our species to evolve a strong, though not perfect, capacity for altruism and empathy which doesn’t require a god, and doesn’t vanish upon a sudden outbreak of disbelief in the supernatural; Consciousness (and as a result, free will) are being increasingly informed by evolutionary biology, in other words by investigating human nature to the best evidentiary degree, not sheer belief. Free will, in the conventional sense of the term, is arguably an illusion but i wont get into that now, check out Dan Dennett on the subject if you’re interested.

    ‘And while all views being equal in the public sphere may give one a warm feeling down ones leg, it is at best myopic and at worst naive. And here is nothing “equal” in the real world (except true opposites), only in our minds. And only the immature and insane “live” only in the mind’ – by this i meant the adherents of all opinions should be treated equally in a free society, not that all ideas are equally valid, i quite agree that thats not the case.

    ‘And while it is true that it is solely up to the individual to decide what to believe, your continuing with it just means you dont see any reason or evidence to believe is proof only that you haven’t seen enough of the world.’ – no i just haven’t seen enough of God to believe in its existence beyond natural laws; or that an all powerful being could create such a wasteful, though wonderful, universe with so few planets capable of supporting life, with so many inhospitable parts of this one; and with 99% of life forms allowed to go extinct on it. So much for intelligent design.
    In any case i’m now violating my own argument by not talking climate, so i’ll leave it here.

  138. Cynthia Lauren Thorpe says:

    ChrisC1983 ~

    I’m truly sorry (for you) that you feel that way. I really do. You truly haven’t lived, Dear.
    There’s a saying ~ ‘Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.’ ~ If I apply that to your words, life – has indeed been a bitter pill for you, indeed. For that – I’m sorry.

    For me, on the other hand, my life was totally bankrupt when it was (ignorantly, may I add) devoid of GOD and I didn’t truly begin ‘living’ till my 32nd year. So, all is not lost yet, Chris. I wish I could sit you down, make some great soup for you, and share a bit about my TRUE life experiences – but, that aside – just know that you’ve got REAL Christians on this site that will remember you in their highly intelligent (meaning their submission to our ‘Higher Power’ – ie: Jesus the Christ) prayers and perhaps life will indeed change for you. At least, that’s my prayer, Chris.

    Life and the Truth is literally all around you, Chris. Even in the taking of your next breath, you must have faith, right? But, no one (here) wants to force you to open your eyes and ‘see for yourself’. That’s YOUR choice, kiddo. Here’s praying you find that Truth for yourself. It’s the ONLY way it can be done. No one really ‘actively’ goes out looking for God without prodding. He seeks US out. My prayer is that your time for that understanding comes soon.

    Lastly, I suggest you research truly GREAT MEN OF SCIENCE and you’ll find that the ‘best and the brightest’ have come into a union with their Creator to really and truly realize life at it’s fullest.

    God bless you, Chris.

    Cynthia Lauren Thorpe

  139. Cynthia Lauren Thorpe says:

    Hey, Milwaukee Bob – Brilliant & intuitive comments to Chris, my friend. Well done.
    But, I’m gonna have to say that while I don’t adhere to Chris Matthews ‘warm whatever up his leg’ for our usurper-in-chief ~ don’t knock Holy Spirit waves that (for me) begin around my heart and radiate outwards. They’re frankly – The Best.

    Jus’ saying, Bob… don’t knock em’ till you’ve tried em’.

    C.L. Thorpe

  140. ChrisC1983 says:

    Cynthia, i can’t work out if you’re either being incredibly sarcastic or very sincere with your last post. I’m willing to assume the latter, but let me reassure i don’t have so much, a god-shaped-hole, but a freedom shaped expanse in my life. Its not a bitter nihilistic pill for me in any way, shape or form, nor is it for many other atheists, and i’m truly sorry to hear your experiences were otherwise. On the other hand, if i hadn’t already eaten, the soup might have gone down well :-).
    Great religious scientists like newton contributed understanding which would have been amazing, regardless of whether he was religious or not, and which transcended their religious views anyway so i’m afraid that’s an association that doesnt really prove anything.

    But life and truth is all around, i agree to a point on that, it’s just a question of how much truth we’re capable of discerning and where you expect meaning in life to come from; but not believing in an external purpose from god makes it more empowering, for me atleast, to create my own purpose in life, with as much meaning and joy that anyone would wish for. As for the promise of prayers, i dont expect them to do anything, but i appreciate the sentiment all the same, but humanism is a positive outlook: create your own meaning in life, you’re a captain of your own ship, its very liberating. My eyes, and mind, are very much open, and its a little patronising to be told i’m missing out on something that begs more questions than it answers, but i’m not bleak about my life and nor should you think me to be. God may be love to you but some of us manage remarkably well experiencing the latter without the former,
    all the same i wish you well, but beauty and truth are not exclusively religious notions.

    This is steadily turning into a daytime chat show :-)

  141. Rabe says:

    Spreading the G-word together with some well known preachy phrases randomly over an otherwise excellent discussion induces a feeling of an appeal to authority which is somewhat disturbing. Since the real arguments are well done and don’t need something like that it leaves the impression that preaching is the main intent of the whole conversation.

  142. RichieP says:

    @ChrisC1983 says:
    December 7, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Hear, hear!

  143. Cynthia Lauren Thorpe says:

    …I’m ‘preachy’? Nope. I’m a realist and (thanks, Chris) I am sincere.

    Now. Insofar as you attempt to ‘put me in wacko-zealot-sized box of atheistic choosing ~ (one wonders if I’d be allowed to expell CO2 in that box…or, sadly – if you’d grant me any ‘holes’ at all…(God-shaped, or not) (ps…that was my form of ‘mild sarcasm’) but, lest I ‘digress’ and run the risk of enjoying daytime drama… (since my I.Q. was gauged at over 132 in high school…but, what do ‘they’ know, right…? ((The social engineering that occurred in the 70′s was pretty mild to that of today, anyhow))

    Do you guys, my fellow lovers of Truth, remember a month or so ago when a volcano erupted and sent ash into the air that was gonna travel (eventually) to Australia and it was promised that sunsets would be stunning due to the amount of sulfur(? I ‘think’ I read that) in the air?

    Well, I happen to enjoy sunsets, perhaps you do, too. But, sadly – YEARS ago, as I was watching a particularly spectacular one (over the Great Salt Lake) some little kids came up to me and they had scowls on their little pusses. When I inquired as to ‘why’,
    they grimaced and pointed to ‘my’ sunset and said it was just ‘POLLUTION’ and not nice at all. Guys. Now, I know you’re fed on ‘Facebook, Opra, Twitter, et al…’ but, keep with me here… (we used to enjoy debate, right? It used to inspire once not so long ago) In fact, one’s ability to keep ‘on track’ with a few digressions thrown in – used to be a hallmark of fortitude, but ~ heck. I’ve got nothing to prove to you and I was ONLY commenting on my ‘OBSERVATIONS’ which……I daresay…….IS SCIENCE, STILL.

    Regardless……… While you may envision me snacking on chips watching Geraldo with my little foil hat on my head ~ I assure you that’s not the case. About a month ago, I stood outside the front door and began walking toward that most incredible sunset
    that I was promised by folks ON THIS VERY SITE, may I add… And, while I stood
    and marveled at Creation, I prayed for those kids…wherever in the world they now may be – and I took a few photos. (Though, the camera lens could not adequately express what my eyes saw, as is often the case… here’s one of them… ‘exclusively for you (die hard, indeed) Atheists’ some of whom have infiltrated (because we’ve been lax and allowed your cynicism to go unchallenged) and taught our children and our grandchildren to look for sex and sadness only, even at a tender age of 4… to actually LEAD THEM to uncover the vilest of truths, rather than holy ones, to…….to… to truly indoctrinate them to LOOK towards Hell, in the futile hope, perhaps… that you won’t be so alone when you get there.

    Well, no. I’m no ‘Opra’ and I didn’t do the naked Opera House gathering in Sydney ~
    (to my credit, actually) but, I AM a ‘scientist who has been around the proverbial block a time or two’ and all I wanted to do was to erect a sign…post a little ‘time out’ sign on Watts Up because I happen to revere the men and women to get their news
    on this site… I was ‘this close’ to that entrance, gentlemen. ‘THIS close’. And, for the last 20 years of my lifetime I’ve just wanted to slow the seemingly breakneck speed with which you are leading others younger than you into an abyss….THE Abyss, in fact. Yeah. Here’s my scholarly photo ~ I thought of it as beautiful. But, I acknowledge one must have ‘eyes to see’ that beauty. That saddens me for all of you who believe the lies you’ve been fed. Yeah, you read sincerity. Well, Chris and ‘others’ you’ve got my tears flowing. Not ‘for myself’ but for those kids and frankly – for you. And, just F.Y.I – I type at 90 WPM so I flow ‘typing-wise’ pretty well – till times like this. An’ now I can’t figure out how to ‘paste’ the damned photo here…sh**.
    Hey Chris? Could you tell me how to ‘cut an’ paste’ a great ‘scientific’ photo for you to see? I know it’s ‘a bit’ anti-climatic…hahaha…but, I’m serious. I can’t figure it out.
    Thanks.
    C.L. Thorpe

    [Reply: One method: right click on the photo. Click on "open image in new window." Copy image address of the new window and paste it into Comments box. Or just paste the image address. ~dbs, mod.]

  144. Phil's Dad says:

    Ahrvid Engholm says:
    December 7, 2010 at 4:54 am
    “I agree with everything Lord Monckton says, *except* for all that EU bashing. The EU is no more a “dictatorship” than all our different national governments.”

    In the EU laws are made by the Commission. Which Commissionaire did you vote for? (Hint: You can not vote in or out the lawmakers in the EU – it is not a democracy.) I can not speak for your nation Ahrvid but where I come from the lawmakers can be kicked out if the people don’t like the laws they make.

    ChrisC1983 – relax. You may have given up on God but She hasn’t given up on you. So everybody’s happy.

  145. Dan Pangburn says:

    The factors that resulted in the 20th century global temperature run-up have been discovered.

    The contribution of atmospheric carbon dioxide is between small and insignificant. The time-integral of sunspot numbers and effective sea surface temperature are the main contributors.

    A simple equation, with inputs of accepted measurements from government agencies, calculates the average global temperatures since 1895 with 88% accuracy (87.6% if CO2 is assumed to have no influence). See the equation, links to the source data, an eye-opening graph of the results and how they are derived in the pdfs at http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=145&linkbox=true (see especially the pdfs made public on 4/10/10 and 6/27/10).

    The future average global temperature trend that this equation calculates is down.

  146. Robert James says:

    Thank you Lord Christopher for being a beacon of light in this gigantic hoax on mankind, as someone in this forum has said , you have been there all the way, relentless in applying fact over fiction, unwavering in the face of detractors acting like school yard bullies and have fortunately awakened many fence sitters possibly some of whom were unaware of the implications of this attempted wealth transfer.

  147. Ed Boyle says:

    Only slightly off the subject, Mark Twain published comments about consensus groups of scientists, which applies to the IPCC so well that Twain must have known that they would exist . In his writing EUROPE AND ELSEWHERE he discussed “…. a paralyzing Consensus of Oppinion accumulated from Experts a-setting around, about brother Experts who had patiently and laboriously cold-chiseled their way into one or another of nature’s safe-deposit vaults and were reporting that they had found something valuable was a-plenty for me. It settled it. ” Well worth reading.

  148. Cynthia Lauren Thorpe says:

    [Reply: One method: right click on the photo. Click on "open image in new window." Copy image address of the new window and paste it into Comments box. Or just paste the image address. ~dbs, mod.]

    Dear DBS ~ I really appreciate your assistance, here. ~ I’ve had to do farm work and now I’m back trying to send you and Anthony (I’ll send you ALL of the ‘sulfuric sunset’ photos, if you’d like, because I CAN email them) the photos I took here in Australia after that last volcano erupted to our east… They’re beautiful and (to me) quite strange – I’ve tried what you suggested though – and this Aussie computer isn’t allowing me to do as you said. Therefore, PLEASE don’t post this – you’ve got my email address – so, just send me some ‘innocuous address’ that I can send the photos to by ‘normal attachment’ and then if you guys like them ~ post the one on Monckton’s Mexican Missives for ChrisB1983 exclusively from me, okay?

    It’ll kinda be like my Christmas present to him, and if you like ‘em – use them any in whatever manner you’d like. It was you guys who ‘alerted me’ to the possibility that the sunsets were gonna be glorious anyhow……. it’s only right that you could enjoy them as you wished.

    God bless you all in your ‘climate’ service to our globe.

    Cynthia Lauren (jus’ Cindy – to you guys) Thorpe

  149. Ian Walsh (UKIP) says:

    “Yes your Lordship, but how do we wrestle the power from the cold grey hands of these autocrats? My vote in May didn’t work.”

    according to a recent poll. some 99% o9f us brits want out of the EU. The government ishould reflect the wishes of the people , not the other way round. If you all made noise about getting us out often and loud, they might take note. in the meanwhile Join /Vote for UKIP as we are the only voice in town !!!

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