Climate Craziness Cools In Cancun

The weather isn’t so hot, either.

Editorial from: The Washington Times, 29 November 2010

Today, U.N. negotiators will begin two weeks of meetings in Cancun, Mexico, looking for a way to move the climate action agenda forward, impose global carbon emissions caps and compel countries to pay a series of new international taxes to underwrite environmental programs. Maybe they’ll get what they want when hell freezes over.

The mood of climate alarmists going into Cancun is decidedly downbeat. The sense of impending doom they had cultivated over the last decade or so has largely evaporated. The Climategate scandal took a severe toll on the credibility of some of the climate theology’s leading high priests, and subsequent investigations into some of the more outlandish claims on which their doomsaying was based found them to be either exaggerated or fabricated. The November demise of the Chicago Climate Exchange – which sought to transfer billions of dollars to political insiders trading in government-rigged carbon markets – signaled that there was no money in the game anymore. Last week, even Al Gore admitted his fallibility when he retracted his earlier support for ethanol fuels. The god bleeds.

Last year’s Copenhagen confab was intended to seal a comprehensive global climate deal but turned into an exercise in humiliation. The imagined 2009 treaty – originally billed as “the single most important piece of paper in the world today” – would have instituted global governance of carbon emissions enforced by an international body with the power to levy taxes to force countries to impose its will. But the final, hastily written three-page agreement contained none of those controversial proposals and was simply a nonbinding statement regarding voluntary emissions caps. The most significant event at last year’s summit was when the leaders of ChinaIndiaBrazil and South Africa unceremoniously snubbed President Obama, who was reduced to barging his way into their meeting uninvited. It was a low moment for the president personally, and a poor showing for what is under most circumstances the strongest country in the world.

The principal goal of this year’s meeting seems to be to hang on to the meager gains made in 2009 and to discuss what to do about the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which is set to expire at the end of 2012. The green utopians are up against more immediate problems than their imagined impending climate catastrophe. The debt crisis in Europe will blunt the enthusiasm of countries in the Eurozone to underwrite expensive new international initiatives. ChinaIndiaBraziland South Africa, among others, will be even less willing to agree to cut back growth than they were when they scuttled the Copenhagen deal. The United States delegation will have to accept the fact that whatever schemes they would like to agree to, any treaty language would have to meet the approval of the incoming more conservative Senate, a highly unlikely proposition. Cancun will be dead on arrival.

One benefit of meeting in Mexico is that the conference will avoid the embarrassment last year when the Copenhagen meeting ended in an unexpected blizzard. It’s harder to sell global warming to world leaders who have to flee the city before their flights are grounded by an ice storm. The worst the Cancun conferees will have to deal with is the threat of being kidnapped by heavily armed gangs of drug dealers.

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82 thoughts on “Climate Craziness Cools In Cancun

  1. Regarding my international tax dollar distributions, I’d like to speak with my international tax representative. I’d also like to speak to the opposition party to see what alternatives they offer should they win the next international tax election. As I am an activist, I’d like to donate to my preferred international tax party and wonder if that is a tax-deferred donation. As such, I’m also going to need to see the international tax forms so I can predict what my obligation is going to be as I don’t want to come up short with my domestic tax obligations.

    Does anyone have a phone number or a web page where I can speak with a local international tax representative?

  2. Look to make a buck, says Gillard
    November 30, 2010

    JULIA GILLARD has called on business to help put the case for a carbon price, stressing the commercial opportunities in the transition to a low pollution economy.

    The Prime Minister told a business breakfast in Sydney yesterday that on a visit to California she noticed that the climate change dialogue was focused on opportunities to ”make a buck”, and called on Australian business leaders to ”channel that spirit into Australia”.

    As she pledged to push for a carbon price next year, Ms Gillard said there was a broad view in business that Australia needed to ”get on with this job … and I’m determined to do that”.

    Advertisement: Story continues below With United Nations climate talks getting under way in Cancun, Mexico this week, GE’s Australasian commercial director, Ben Waters, asked whether Australia’s unilateral emissions reduction target – to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 5 per cent below 2000 levels by 2020 – would be reviewed since it was not strong enough to prevent dangerous climate change.

    Ms Gillard said Australia would be holding to its unconditional emissions reduction target of 5 per cent, while keeping open the possibility of lifting the target to 25 per cent depending on international action.

    ”We’ll be holding to these [targets] as we design the pricing mechanism that will get us there,” she said.

    A report published yesterday by the Australian Conservation Foundation said a 5 per cent cut in the economy’s emissions by 2020 would require more than $100 billion in investment in energy, transport and infrastructure.

    As any carbon price was likely to be modest, it would not provide a strong enough incentive to raise $100 billion worth of investment, the report said.

    To address this, the foundation said other incentives would be needed to mobilise green investment. For instance, governments in Scandinavia have issued ”green bonds” to help fund renewable energy projects and energy efficiency programs.

    The British government has formed a ”Green Investment Bank” to help lower the risk of investing in green projects today, before a global agreement on carbon has been struck.

    The foundation’s economic adviser, Simon O’Connor, said these types of measures could boost private investment in clean energy and minimise the need for extra government borrowing.

    “In Australia, governments use a suite of financing tools to support other industries – loan guarantees and risk insurance for exporters, tax credits for the film industry and off-take agreements and co-investment for major utilities,” he said.

    “It’s time government got smarter in applying the available tools to deliver the low carbon economy.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/look-to-make-a-buck-says-gillard-20101129-18dza.html

    The cracks are pretty obvious now..

    But still..

    ..there is much desperation..

  3. Looking at the local weather forecast for Cancun, I’d say those delegates who plan to ‘hit the beach’ are in for a disappointingly damp time.

  4. So another climate boondoggle to the tropics. If they actually spent the money on REAL concerns like providinh a safe drinking water supply instead of these idiotic conferences, the world may be a better place. Also if the alarmists are so concerned about the poloar bears – why not have this conference in Resolute Bay? Me thinks it’s more about the travel to the tropics than concern for the globe.

    Current Weather Updated: Mon, Nov. 29, 2010, 10:00 CST – Resolute Airport
    Resolute, NU -20 °C
    Partly cloudy
    Feels Like: -34
    Wind: N 41km/h
    Wind gusts: 52km/h
    Relative Humidity: 70%
    Pressure: 101.12 kPa
    Visibility: 24.0 km
    Ceiling: 24000 ft

  5. 2011 year of carbon price, says Julia Gillard
    November 29, 2010 12:02PM

    PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has vowed there will be nowhere to hide on carbon pricing with a firm and final decision next year.

    In a speech to the Council for the Economic Development of Australia in Sydney, Ms Gillard outlined an ambitious agenda for the remainder of her term, declaring 2011 a year of delivery and decision.

    She said Australians wanted their Government to govern. Ms Gillard said the Government had to decide a way of pricing carbon that was supported by a broad enough consensus to be legislated.

    She said the Government’s Climate Change Commission would carry out its task of bringing together expert opinion and public attitudes.

    As well, the Productivity Commission would publish advice on the measures being taken by trading partners and impacts of a carbon price on Australian international competitiveness.

    Ms Gillard said the multi-party climate change committee would meet increasingly regularly through the year.

    “Expert papers are already being released publicly and discussed in the committee,” she said.

    “I promise you, no responsible decision maker will be able to say next year that they need more time or more information on climate change,” she said.

    “In 2011 there will be nowhere to hide.”

    Ms Gillard said Australia had weathered the global downturn.

    “Now in the recovery, we have to lift the speed limit of the economy,” she said.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/year-of-carbon-price-says-julia-gillard/story-e6frf7l6-1225962660374

  6. This is a strange times that we live in today. Many of the world leaders are about to gather in Mexico next month to agree on a plan to reduce the emission of carbon dioxide with the hope of avoiding further global warming and fight climate change . The total world expenditures will be well into the billions if not trillions of dollars through more, carbon taxes, cap and trade indirect taxation, higher energy costs, green or eco fees and redistribution of wealth.
    Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated. – Ottmar Edenhofer
    So it seems that global warming was never about science but an attempt to put more money in United Nations coffers.
    There has been no unusual global warming for at least a decade and the small amount of warming that there was has now been completely accounted for by the natural planetary cycle called ENSO or El Nino. All the latest natural cycles are pointing to a near term future of 20-30 years of cooler weather rather than unprecedented warming. The globe has been naturally warming since 1600 and alternating periods of warming and cooling like today have existed many times before. So there is no conclusive proof that greenhouse gases generated by man had anything to do with the most recent warming which has been dormant now for a decade. Clearly there is reasonable doubt as the courts would say.
    Recently released e-mails from the CRU climategate show the IPCC scientists saying that, “we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t”. Their science has turned out to be flawed and questionable. The global temperatures have been declining while the CO2 was rising, completely opposite of what their science said. Matter of fact even Professor Jones from the notorious CRU agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming
    So we have our current world that cannot find adequate money to fight world wide unemployment, poverty, disease, provide better health care and shelter for its poor, elderly and disenfranchised, yet it is willing to commit trillions of borrowed dollars to solve a problem that may not even exist as currently defined, supported by questionable science and a climate which at the very least, our best climate scientists claim they do not even understand.
    Any prudent steward or national leader would say , this serious climate problem that we were told was imminent and catastrophic, this claim no longer seems valid and the science of which is far from settled or even completely understood yet. You climate scientists better go back and study this better. Meanwhile we have other global and regional priorities like Haiti that need the limited funds much more at this moment. This is what leaders in Mexico should do but time will tell if there are any real leaders among this group even at this conference.

  7. I suggest the gubment hire its carbon missionaries borrowing best practices from my Mormon friends. If they work faithfully for a year or two and ride bicycles, they can get their temp jobs to become permanent.
    By the way, I doubt the crime level is high at the Resort community of Cancun. If a delagate does something stupid like buy dope, they will get a taste of crooked justice system.

  8. It appears that, according to the latest weather forecasts, Hell is due to freeze over 2 weeks after the ECO Fest at Cancun!

  9. As we in the UK are feezing our toes off (minus 18C in some places last night!) for the fourth winter in a row, the greenies would have more success selling ice-cream to Eskimos than they now would selling AGW to the British people. The media and the met office continue to fight a rear guard action but its *like watching an angry hedgehog trying to stop an articulated lorry.

    Translation *like watching an angry porcupine trying to stop a Mack truck.

  10. It will be interesting to note WHO DOES NOT SHOW at Cancun, and if it’s reported.

    Always fun to spend a few winter weeks in the tropics on “other people’s money”, but not so much when the climate-alarm ship is stuck in the doldrums, drifting toward the rocks.

    High-profile enviro reporters will probably limit their time or send surrogates to collect press releases from NGOs, Hollywood will find some other shiny new thing to follow, and politicos will quietly find ways to be unavailable.

    Meanwhile, ice continues to accumulate and another “PFFFFFT” hurricane season has passed with a whimper. Maue’s ACE index at 33-year low.

  11. Now call me Mr Cynical, but I’m betting that the Artic Ice will make a sudden surge in area just as soon as Cancun finishes. Of course it could just be the North Atlantic Jet Stream moving back to it’s more usual Southern route, but then you can’t have a conspiracy without a government funded body (NSIDC) lurking somewhere around.

  12. Last friday night there were new cold-records in November.

    Never before, ever has such a low temperature been measured at Hovden in November.

    They have had a measuring-station there for 140 years.

    Lowest measured for November now at Hovden, ever, is minus 29.4 degrees Celcius.

  13. Copenhagen – 0 Cancun – 0 New Kyoto – _

    If there ISN’T a “Cancun Something” OR a “New Kyoto Something” – does that mean the EPA has to pack their bags and go back to established, recognized, proven science about CO2? Seems anyone could make a case in court that if the world doesn’t recognize CO2 as an immediate danger to Life On Earth and the Environment, then they can’t either.

  14. Another Climate Craziness:

    Dr. James Hansen went definitley nuts

    I have following new information for you. It is not yet in the internet but I heard it in a blog:

    Tomorrow James Hansen will go to Pontresina, a village in Switzerland. What is he doing there? He will make propaganda against a planned pumped-storage power station (project Lago Bianco of Repower) ! As we know, the renewable energy sources like solar and wind power need lot’s of storage capacity, and planned pumped-storage power station would be a good solution for the problem.

    But Hansen opposes it?!*#!

    Reportedly he doen’t want that the energy industry cannot “whitewash” coal power. What a numb nut.

    I will keep you updated about this unbelievable story

  15. In an Idiocracy, everything is possible.
    We’ve already heard that Cancun wasn’t about fighting the non existing threat of Anthropogenic Climate Change at all but that it was going to be the biggest economic gathering the world has ever seen. “Spreading the Wealth” was the real subject.
    Now the western world is subject to extensive bail outs we can ask ourselves whose wealth they want to spread?

    How crazy this world has become became evident today when the German News program “Heute” presented a climate special about Cancun repeating all the familiar mantra’s about a heated atmosphere, sea level rise, sinking islands and melting ice caps.
    Their climate special was immediately followed by “Das Wetter” showing pictures of heavy snow in Bayern creating havoc on the roads and freezing temperatures of -15 degree Celsius.

    I can’t imagine a more effective way to blow up the public’s perception of Climate Change, let alone Anthropogenic Climate Change.

    The disconnect with reality is growing bigger every day.

  16. Jim Cole says: @ November 29, 2010 at 8:59 am

    “another “PFFFFFT” hurricane season has passed with a whimper.”
    The 2010 season yielded 19 named storms, matching AccuWeather.com Chief Hurricane Meteorologist Joe Bastardi’s forecast of 18-21 total storms. By simply looking at the number of storms, 2010 ties 1995’s intense hurricane season, with both years having 19 named storms. Since 1950, only 2005 has surpassed this amount.
    The season also had three occurrences of three simultaneously named systems. In addition, there was a 36-day period from Aug. 21 to Sept. 26 where there was not a single full day without at least one active tropical cyclone.
    Tropical Storm Matthew was the deadliest storm of the season, killing 126 people in Central America. Tomas killed a total of 41 people. While the United States was spared the majority of tropical activity this year, the same cannot be said for much of the Caribbean, where heavy flooding, intense winds and widespread destruction in some places led to disastrous conditions. Also there was lots of damage and people killed in Canada.
    Just because there were no storms in the US does not mean there were no storms!

    http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/41710/2010-atlantic-hurricane-season-1.asp

  17. dp says: “Does anyone have a phone number or a web page where I can speak with a local international tax representative?”

    I have it on good authority that the number you’re looking for is:

    666

  18. Eddi Salm says:
    November 29, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Perhaps he wants them to save alternative energies as IR radiation in his Atmosphere’s Piggy Bank, now that it is empty….

  19. The truth and bottom line strikes again. My question is don’t these people have any personal pride or to put it another way a lick of sense. Their scam has been exposed and the national debts in the US and EU is taking top priority. Now they still want to tax the britches off successful nations to support the third world with free money.

    Given how many times they have been embarrassed by winter weather it is surprising they did not schedule this one on the equator.
    Are there any luxury hotels on the equator? If so do they serve good wine?

  20. @R. de Haan says:
    November 29, 2010 at 9:57 am

    The same on Dutch television, why nothing about Cancun? Why the Silence? Next news-item, the first ice-skating marathon on natural ice in the Netherlands :) and a record evening rush hour with more than 900 km of traffic jams on the Dutch highways caused by an inch of snow :)

  21. Cancun delegate: “We all know that nothing’s going to come of this so I move we sing a few bars of “Kumbayah,” adjourn to the bars and brothels, tell the media that negotiations are tough but we’re making good progress, and just try to stay warm. Do I have a second?”

    “All in favor…”
    “Aye”

    “All opposed…”

    (ribbit… ribbit…)

  22. The USA is already broke. There is both a yearly deficit and an accumulating debt. Many folks do not know the difference. The US Treasury Department (FY2010) must pay interest of $414 billion dollars to holders of the national debt.

    http://www.federalbudget.com/

    My personal share of the debt (~ $13.6 B) is about $44,000. Can I get some help with this, please?

    But wait, there’s more:
    Cities are in debt and want states to bail them out. States are in debt and want the US to help. “Build America Bonds” [BABs] and other programs do just that, although BABs are supposed to be revenue neutral to the federal treasury. Still the cities and states accumulate more debt. States sell their future tobacco income stream for current uses. They hide debt and move expenses to the next fiscal year. They issue IOUs for expenses. The list of debt problems seems endless.

    Next let’s look at Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, and . . . Never mind!

    Talk about craziness.

  23. What a phenomenal article!

    I suppose it would be too much to ask for to have a little cold rain wander past…

    Just a little ;-)

    ShaneCMuir says:
    Look to make a buck, says Gillard
    November 30, 2010

    JULIA GILLARD has called on business to help put the case for a carbon price, stressing the commercial opportunities in the transition to a low pollution economy.

    The Prime Minister told a business breakfast in Sydney yesterday that on a visit to California she noticed that the climate change dialogue was focused on opportunities to ”make a buck”, and called on Australian business leaders to ”channel that spirit into Australia”.

    California has been all about making the “Fast Buck” ever since the ’49ers Gold Rush. It’s all ‘fast put up’ and ‘fast fold up’ when the game ends. I’d not suggest it as a model of ‘sustainable economics’… Witness our present $14 Billion bond offerings that are not going very well and our $40 Billion (or more depending on who’s rosy projections you believe) deficit that we can’t pay. Oh, and business is fleeing the state (what hasn’t already fled…) now that Governor Moonbeam is back in power. But hey, he did such a great job as Mayor of Oakland that they could almost pay their police… and they are now planning that if they sell indulgences licenses to grow pot, maybe that will get enough money to pay the cops to guard the pot farms…

    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/maybe-grass-can-save-california/

    at least the ones that pay their protection money fees to the Mayor Moonbeam…

    Is this really a business model for Australia to emulate?…

    Oh, and we’ve been setting new cold records in California, too:

    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/now-thats-low-in-tahoe/

    Along with a very very early opening to a very snowy ski season:

    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/record-early-skiing-and-snow/

    Wonder if there are any ski resort in Mexico…

    From a site that gave me pop up crud, so no link…

    In some parts of Mexico, such as near the US border in Juarez, and in higher elevations in the mountains of Mexico, it does snow, yes.

    In Mexico gets snow in all the mexican plateau from Mexico City to Ciudad Juarez: here some las snow falls records in Mexico. (Last snow falls records)

    Juarez january 2007, Chihuahua City january 2007,Creel Janaury 2007,Parral december 2004,Matamoros December 2004, Monterrey december 2004 Saltillo december 2004, Torreon december 2004,Durango december 1997,Zacatecas City december 1997,San Luis Potosi december 1997,Leon december 1997,Guanajuato december 1997,Guadalajara december 1997,Toluca january 1967 Mexico City janaury 1967,(january 12 1967 was the las snow fall at Mexico Citys downtown.)Tecate february 2008,Tulancingo janaury 2008.

    And Tampico (a mexican seaport at the gulfo of mexico at sea level reports snow in february 14 1895 and is the fare south gets snow in the western hemisfer at sea level. ( in february 14 1895 a masive snow storm cover the gulf of mexico from New Orleans and Houston all the way to Brownsville texas and Tamaulipas cost to Tampico.
    Yes, specially on the northern, mountainous regions of Chihuahua and Coahuila states.

    Might be interesting to have an article on Mexican Snow now compared to historical…

  24. dp says: “Does anyone have a phone number or a web page where I can speak with a local international tax representative?”

    I think a good number to start with might be 1-212-963-3062. That will be the UN building in New York – ask for the International Civil Service Commission.

    If you want an alternative ‘party’, the European Commission are on 00 800 6789 10 11

    Both these organisations specialise in international taxes and laws, and offer very attractive tax-free remuneration…

  25. ES says: @ November 29, 2010 at 10:11 am . . .“Just because there were no storms in the US does not mean there were no storms!”
    What you say is true. The 2010 Hurricane season is no surprise given the warm Atlantic temperatures and lack of shear conditions. Any deaths from natural or man-made disasters are tragic. Yet, I think you are missing Jim Cole’s point: Worldwide ACE is down. “Just because there are storms in the Atlantic does not mean that the world is getting more tropical storms.” In addition, several of these Atlantic storms probably would not have been classified as storms pre-1950. Certainly, some Tiny Tims would not have received the hurricane classification. Also, I feel that it is noteworthy that fifteen years ago, we had a similar number of storms. We are not on the trajectory envisioned by the IPCC five years ago.

  26. Ahhh! Socialism. Isn’t it wonderful?
    It’ll never work because it’s opposite to the way people want to live. Yet the little utopian, greeny sheeples continue to insist that we all cede to their every whim. @@$#%#}}~!!!!!

  27. I would suggest (with semi-apologetic nods to Neil Young) these conclaves be renamed “Brother Gore’s Travelling Salvation Show.”

  28. pat says:
    November 29, 2010 at 8:36 am (Edit)
    “In the first comprehensive global survey of temperature trends in major lakes, NASA researchers determined Earth’s largest lakes have warmed during the past 25 years in response to climate change.”

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101128220357.htm

    The reported rate is rather startling. The highs are 1C per decade. Hmmmm.

    Interesting. Back radiation from co2 can’t cause inland water bodies to be preferentially heated more than the ocean and doesn’t penetrate the surface beyond its own wavelength anyway. More support for my thesis that global warming was caused by lowered cloud albedo 1979-98 as empirically measured by the ISCCP cloud project. The well above average solar irradiance had less cloud to get through and penetrates water to over 100m, deeper than a lot of inland water bodies. Hitting the bottom it would warm the mud, heating lakes from below.

    Thanks Pat, more circumstantial evidence to support my hypothesis.

  29. Putting aside sincere concerns about the hospitality & security industries in Cancun, taxpayers back home would be better served if the money was spent on honest climate data exploration, with a strict requirement that not a penny be spent on computer modeling fantasies based on untenable assumptions.

  30. Eddi Salm says:
    November 29, 2010 at 9:48 am
    “Tomorrow James Hansen will go to Pontresina, a village in Switzerland. What is he doing there? He will make propaganda against a planned pumped-storage power station (project Lago Bianco of Repower) !”

    Looks like cold and snow in Pontresina this week…[heh]

  31. MattV: I might want to use some of your prose for a letter to the editor. Can you post a comment letting me know it is OK to use it?

    Thanks, Greg, San Diego

  32. “The worst the Cancun conferees will have to deal with is the threat of being kidnapped by heavily armed gangs of drug dealers. ”

    We can only hope.

  33. Some good may come of this. If the drug lords kidnap the delegates and spend even a few minutes listening to them, they’ll pay anything to get someone–anyone–to take them off their hands. We could bankrupt the Mexican drug business in one fell swoop!

  34. julia Gillard will be working in a fish and chips shop after the next elections nobody has any respect for her anymore ,australians cannot wait for the next elections LABOUR PARTY AND THE GREENS WILL BE KICKED OUT

  35. Apparently they didn’t all get the memo.

    Worst case study: global temp up 7.2F degrees by 2060s (Reuters) – World temperatures could soar by 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) by the 2060s in the worst case of global climate change and require an annual investment of $270 billion just to contain rising sea levels, studies suggested on Sunday.

    Such a rapid rise, within the lifetimes of many young people today, is double the 2 degrees C (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) ceiling set by 140 governments at a U.N. climate summit in Copenhagen last year and would disrupt food and water supplies in many parts of the globe.

    Rising greenhouse gas emissions this decade meant the 2 degree goal was “extremely difficult, arguably impossible, raising the likelihood of global temperature rises of 3 or 4 degrees C within this century,” an international team wrote.

    The studies, published to coincide with annual U.N. climate talks in Mexico starting on Monday, said few researchers had examined in detail the possible impact of a 4 degrees C rise above pre-industrial levels.

    A good deal of the whining last year was the “nasty” timing of the Climategate files – “Those horrid deniers did this right now on purpose!

    As usual with the warmists, double standards are the fair of the day.

    7.2F no less! Hahahahahahahahaha – can they scream “The Sky Is Falling!” any louder? But they couldn’t use the standard Centigrade this time, no. 4C wasn’t a big enough number. 7.2F sounds SO much scarier! (I have not seen an F temp mentioned – much less headlined – in five years until this…LOL)

    They also misrepresent what went down at Copenhagen last year. They mention the 2C as if it was agreed upon or something concrete, when in fact Copenhagen resulted in no agreement of substance.

    They also seem to not understand the term “worst case,” since that is by definition an outlier, an EXTREME unlikelihood – one that only comes about if every single forcing occurs. Reuters just accepts this and – I guess – believes it will help sell news. Thus the MSM shows its colours again.

    Shame on Reuters…

  36. Greg SAN DIEGO,CA

    Greg, ok. My point for writing the few words was to highlight my observation that we seem to be able to find lots of money to solve a problem that does not even exist in the form being stated and is certainly not urgent. Yet for a real world problem like the current Haiti situation which is now extremly urgent, no more help seems to be forthcoming. It would have made lot more sense if the nations got together to discuss how they could help Haiti.It makes me very suspicious about where the money is really going to go and for what purpose?

  37. Climate change is a real threat to people in many western countries but the greatest danger is from people wanting to use dictatorial powers to combat it.

    In today’s Daily Telegraph there is an article about a demand by “climate change experts” for the introduction of Second World War-style rationing in rich countries to bring down carbon emissions.

    Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/8165769/Cancun-climate-change-summit-scientists-call-for-rationing-in-developed-world.html

    To those people in Britain old enough to remember the hardships and lack of freedom associated with rationing the proposal to reintroduce it will seem absolutely incredible. Those of you who are not old enough to remember it or who live in countries that did not have rationing should browse through the Wikipedia article on it to understand why the idea is so outrageous.

    Rationing in the United Kingdom

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_Kingdom

    It took a World War to make the British people accept rationing. It is difficult to believe that it could be introduced in rich countries in peace time without getting rid of democracy first.

  38. Julia Gillard needs those ETS tax dollars to recoup the handouts that former PM Kevin Rudd unnecessarily dished out. Not to mention funding for those newly created “Department of Climate Control” jobs. Other countries are in a similar position. This is why the Met Office and GISS cannot show a decline in global temperatures.

  39. Cancun will be dead on arrival.

    Cancun was dead after the last US elections.

    It’s harder to sell global warming to world leaders who have to flee the city before their flights are grounded by an ice storm.

    It’s hard to sell global warming in Britain at the moment. What delicious irony. We can only hope and pray that the Earth enters a strong and long cooling period to finally hit the last nail in the coffin of Catastropic Anthropogenic Global Warming movement.

  40. Anthony –

    While I agree with the sentiments here, very few people take the Washington Times seriously as a news organization. (And that low status isn’t easy to achieve; look at the NYT and WaPo, for example, not to mention even Reuters today.)

    Having been owned by the wacko Reverend Sun Myung Moon of Moonies and brainwashing fame, the Washington Times is somewhere between The Onion and Saturday Night Live as for as news goes.

    Referencing the Washington Times doesn’t do the standing of the blog here a lot of good. It doesn’t come up nearly to your usual standards, even if its VP agrees with your own. It is a bit like the warmists quoting the IPCC…LOL

  41. Every week we hear about another nation, another state, another province, another city or town having severe financial problems and being near financial collapse. Yet these global warming alarmists seem to be incapable of understanding or feeling the financial pain that exist already in our communities. They seem to be falsely panicking nations, provinces, states and cities into immense and often unnecessary green projects just to cut greenhouse gases. These projects may very well collapse even the strongest of economic regions. They can only be paid for by yet further borrowed money, carbon taxes, cap and trade indirect taxes, eco fees, green fees, 100 % plus increase in base energy rates etc. Free money seems to be thrown at the green alternate energies that are not viable for large city states and large loads[ some are 15 times more expensive than fossil fuel rates] Here is one example of blind pursuit of greenhouse emissions reductions that could bankrupt this community and put the tax payers under even more financial strain. Yet more of this questionable science and unnecessary projects are probably being committed to in Cancun for the entire globe.

    http://www.thespec.com/opinion/editorial/article/279801–power-politics

  42. GBees says:
    Ahhh! Socialism. Isn’t it wonderful?
    It’ll never work because it’s opposite to the way people want to live. Yet the little utopian, greeny sheeples continue to insist that we all cede to their every whim. @@$#%#}}~!!!!!

    Gareth Says:
    Isn’t it interesting that far right politicos continue to try and highjack our site and give ammunition to those who believe skeptics are a bunch of right wing loonies. We are a non political bunch, our skepticism has roots in our science, not in our in political beliefs. We skeptics are a broad political church, lets make sure those with an axe to grind from the left or right do not try and use our struggles for their own narrow political ends.

  43. Rising greenhouse gas emissions this decade meant the 2 degree goal was “extremely difficult, arguably impossible, raising the likelihood of global temperature rises of 3 or 4 degrees C within this century,” an international team wrote.

    The studies, published to coincide with annual U.N. climate talks in Mexico starting on Monday, said few researchers had examined in detail the possible impact of a 4 degrees C rise above pre-industrial levels.

    Perhaps because few find it plausible. Notice Reuters doesn’t think we need to know the identity of the ‘international team’ or the details of their publication. Notice also that publishing ‘to coincide with Cancun’ doesn’t give anyone else the chance to appraise the contents and alert policy makers to inaccuracies, exaggerations, bias and uncertainty.

  44. morgo says:
    julia Gillard will be working in a fish and chips shop after the next elections nobody has any respect for her anymore ,australians cannot wait for the next elections LABOUR PARTY AND THE GREENS WILL BE KICKED OUT

    You seriously cannot be saying the Liberals will be better?

    Have you not yet realised that it doesn’t matter?

    Left Wing.. or Right Wing.. its the SAME BIRD

    You are falling for the Hegalian Dialectic.

    eg.

    The Liberals create the the Water Act 2006.

    Labour uses the Water Act to create the Basin Plan.

    No-one seems to notice that BOTH are totally un-constitutional.

    Not to mention the fact that voting along PARTY lines is already totally un-constitutional when the REPRESENTATIVES are supposed to merely re-present the views of their electorate.

  45. We should have whip-around to see if we can raise enuf money to buy big AL a ticket to Cancun so that it will snow.

  46. I have no trouble believing that those who would impose international taxes in the name of “saving the planet” are actually those who would rather serve as holders of those funds. Who knows whether those funds would actually be used to “equalize” the economies of all countries? I’m guessing they would not be. Does anyone really know where the UN’s money goes nowadays?

    A week or two ago, our educational TV station aired “Ninotchka”, the 1939 movie starring Greta Garbo. One relatively minor exchange stuck in my mind. When Ninotchka’s suitor offered her a drink, she said she wasn’t thirsty. When he offered her a meal, she said she had had sufficient calories for the day.

    If I didn’t know better, I would have guessed that Ninotchka had been indoctrinated by having lived under Obamacare *and* the draconian conservation measures advocated by those who believe in AGW – but, no! She was a card-carrying Communist! You don’t suppose they could be one and the same, do you?

  47. AMSU-A Ch 04 shows 28 November as being 0.41F cooler than same date last year or 0.23C cooler. So near surface temperatures are coming down. Maybe Dr Roy Spencer will have the November global anomaly out for the Cancun party of 15,000 participants to ponder. I suspect further cooling is in the pipeline. The fact that global temperatures have not gone up since late nineties, sea levels are falling and combined sea ice is steady with no warming of the oceans will not make any difference to these people.

  48. I couldn’t disagree more with the statement, “The worst the Cancun conferees will have to deal with is the threat of being kidnapped by heavily armed gangs of drug dealers”. That’ll never happen. The worst the conferees will actually have to deal with is accidentally getting stung by a jellyfish or stepping on a sea urchin while snorkelling off of Cancun’s white sand beaches after one too many taxpayer financed Margaritas.

  49. Jimbo says:
    November 29, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    “We can only hope and pray that the Earth enters a strong and long cooling period”
    Awwww…C’mon Jimbo! We don’t need that kinda talk. Why can’t we ust drive the nail home AND have continued warming? The cold sucks, kills more people, for lots of reasons, and just isn’t much fun all the way around (except for skiiers, snowboarders, etc – keep it in the mountains!).
    As for Carsten Arnholm’s comment that Hell has already frozen over I can corroborate that: my wife’s dad is from there and he was rather upset about the whole affair…his name would be Satan (He’s currently in Cancun under an alias). :-)

  50. tallbloke says:
    November 29, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    “Royal soc papers on 4C by 2060 warming downloadable here until tuesday evening:”

    Page 8, using a 2-3 Teraton cumulative emission scenario….blah…blah..

    I.E. If we triple the emissions scenarios, I.E China’s recent trend continues..we are all going to burn. Most coal analyst’s expect Chinese coal consumption to peak NLT 2014.

  51. Saladin says:
    November 29, 2010 at 9:20 am
    Funny how they refuse to talk about this:
    The Environmental Impact Of War
    —————————————————————–
    Sal, warfare has immediate impacts upon the public’s health (i.e. getting blown up), which tend to necessarilly push the long term “environmental impacts” to a lesser tier of concern. Since there is already a laundry list of reasons to if possible avoid war one need not delve into the “environmental impacts”. Have you met someone that has suggested that war doesn’t cause pollution?

  52. Please take a look at the insufferable prat that the UK has sent to Cancun:

    This idiot, Chris Huhne, is our Government Minister in charge of Energy and Climate Change.
    What hope do we have? Our Government can’t even keep up with the change in nomenclature.

  53. Carsten Arnholm, Norway says:
    November 29, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    ‘Make that 2 weeks before, Hell has already frozen over.’

    Wonderful! LMAO.

  54. The worst the Cancun conferees will have to deal with is the threat of being kidnapped by heavily armed gangs of drug dealers.

    How much ransom could they get for Al Gore?

    Well, he is good for laughs. I’d be willing to toss in 20 tons of CCX carbon offsets, provided those gathering the “bailout fund” will cover the transaction fees, of course.

  55. Does Cancun have a coroner? They need one for the autopsy on the recently expired agenda, as I doubt it can be resuscitated.
    That goes double for Gore’s Carbon Market cornering dreams. The financial crisis made sure there ain’t enough dough to bake a loaf of green bread.

  56. Climate alarmism died during 2010 – killed off by cold brutal facts.
    BUT
    Here in Australia it goes on, triumphant-
    -PM Gillard WILL have a carbon price in 2011 (she says)
    -The new national education rules will include lessons on carbon in at least three different subjects and each will be show (wait for it) – Algorians inconvenient whatists.
    – companies are being pressed to put voting on comanies carbon footprints to the vote
    – an appeal has been made to the authorities to force reluctant boards of directors to put the above resolution to shareholders meetings
    – and yet there is more and more and more.

    While sceptics congratulate each other that AGW is dieing,
    Adminstrators are quitely putting its restrictions into place.

    It is time for action, not self congratualtion, else victory of “truth will out” will be snatched from the jaws of defeat.

  57. The worst the Cancun conferees will have to deal with is the threat of being kidnapped by heavily armed gangs of drug dealers.

    We’ll all contribute to the ransom for the release, honest! ;-)

  58. They’re NOT going after a GLOBAL TREATY on CO2, as I now hear from a piece over at Keith Kloor’s. BUT, they DO want to get a GLOBAL TREATY on “OTHER” GHG’s, and it appears many at Cancun see this as possible and desireable in terms of getting to CO2 later down the road. I can’t imagine that they will enjoy any success in this area since China and India aren’t likely to play ball, but as stupid as the West has been in the past 21 years since the end of the last “Evil Empire” (and the rise of the New “Evil Empire” in China) I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t agree to some stupid treaty and shoot ourselves in the back, foot, head, and family jewels.

    http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2010/11/29/the-low-hanging-climate-fruit/

  59. #
    #
    AusieDan says:
    November 29, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Climate alarmism died during 2010 – killed off by cold brutal facts.
    BUT
    Here in Australia it goes on, triumphant-
    -PM Gillard WILL have a carbon price in 2011 (she says)
    -The new national education rules will include lessons on carbon in at least three different subjects and each will be show (wait for it) – Algorians inconvenient whatists.
    – companies are being pressed to put voting on comanies carbon footprints to the vote
    – an appeal has been made to the authorities to force reluctant boards of directors to put the above resolution to shareholders meetings
    – and yet there is more and more and more.

    ========

    Whaaat???
    I thought goracles crud had been canned for our schools due to parent protest?
    I did hear joolya spouting drivel again, and christine Milne needs a boot up the…..shes waffling the 4Crise by 2070 as if it were a fact , not a supposition too.
    one ray of sunshine was the Vic elections and greens losing seats.

    someone above pointed out that either side is as bad…sadly hes right, Abbott did once tell the truth , that CC is Bulsh**..now hes being politically correct:-(
    everytome I hear this rubbish I wish A) I knew how to shoot B) I had a gun!
    it would be worth it.
    [trimmed! ]
    and I am a pacifist by nature…or I was??

  60. ‘The worst the Cancun conferees will have to deal with is the threat of being kidnapped by heavily armed gangs of drug dealers. …’

    What a thought…………………
    “Sep 1, 2010 … Mexico: Drug violence reaches Cancun. At least eight people died when a bar of tourists was attacked with Molotov cocktails in Cancun during…..”
    Could happen.

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