The money quote:
“With such extreme climatic events potentially becoming more common due to climate change…”
Maybe next week Nature will notice La Nina:
Cold empties Bolivian rivers of fish
Antarctic cold snap kills millions of aquatic animals in the Amazon.
Anna Petherick
With high Andean peaks and a humid tropical forest, Bolivia is a country of ecological extremes. But during the Southern Hemisphere’s recent winter, unusually low temperatures in part of the country’s tropical region hit freshwater species hard, killing an estimated 6 million fish and thousands of alligators, turtles and river dolphins.
Scientists who have visited the affected rivers say the event is the biggest ecological disaster Bolivia has known, and, as an example of a sudden climatic change wreaking havoc on wildlife, it is unprecedented in recorded history.
“There’s just a huge number of dead fish,” says Michel JĆ©gu, a researcher from the Institute for Developmental Research in Marseilles, France, who is currently working at the Noel Kempff Mercado Natural History Museum in Santa Cruz, Bolivia. “In the rivers near Santa Cruz there’s about 1,000 dead fish for every 100 metres of river.”
With such extreme climatic events potentially becoming more common due to climate change, scientists are hurrying to coordinate research into the impact, and how quickly the ecosystem is likely to recover.
The extraordinary quantity of decomposing fish flesh has polluted the waters of the Grande, Pirai and Ichilo rivers to the extent that local authorities have had to provide alternative sources of drinking water for towns along the rivers’ banks. Many fishermen have lost their main source of income, having been banned from removing any more fish from populations that will probably struggle to recover.
The blame lies, at least indirectly, with a mass of Antarctic air that settled over the Southern Cone of South America for most of July. The prolonged cold snap has also been linked to the deaths of at least 550 penguins along the coasts of Brazil and thousands of cattle in Paraguay and Brazil, as well as hundreds of people in the region.
Water temperatures in Bolivian rivers that normally register about 15 ĖC during the day fell to as low as 4 ĖC.
Hugo Mamani, head of forecasting at Senamhi, Bolivia’s national weather centre, confirms that the air temperature in the city of Santa Cruz fell to 4 ĖC this July, a low beaten only by a record of 2.5 ĖC in 1955.
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Read the entire story at Nature News
Didn’t GISS have a big Red spot over the area where all these animals froze to death?
The World before AGW.
I wonder why they didn’t mention the hundreds of homo sapiens killed by the cold?
REPLY: Apparently they are considered an undesirable species. -A
Penguins killed by cold weather? That would be unusual. Maybe Polar Bears are next.
Anthony, obviously this happens every time there’s a La Nina – not.
Jeez, any more of this global warming and we’ll all freeze.
Have they noticed the unusually cool northern California summer yet? Usually I can’t even ride my bike early in the morning during July/August because it is too unpleasant. This year I’ve had to wear a light jacket a few times.
Meh, mentioned people as an afterthought.
This Climate Change verbage, it encompasses so much as to be virtually meaningless.
“The cold is warm the warm is cold” so sayeth the Sexpo.er, Profit.
A recent statement by a warmist co-worker of mine….
Ok he didn’t refer to Sexpoodle….
He did say that Algore predicted this sort of thing.
Cold and windy August day here in NE Oregon. Snow predicted in the
high country from NWS Pendelton, Or.:
Statement as of 5:28 AM PDT on August 28, 2010
… Unseasonably cool this weekend…
A low pressure system moving south from British Columbia and
across the Pacific northwest will bring much cooler temperatures
over eastern Washington and eastern Oregon this weekend. Afternoon
temperatures will be in the 60s to lower 70s and overnight lows will
be in the mid 30s to mid 40s over most of the region. Isolated to
scattered mountain showers can also be expected. The high
elevations of The Eagle cap mountains, Elkhorn Mountains, and the
Strawberry Mountain Wilderness may see light snow accumulations.
Hikers, campers, and other outdoor enthusiasts should be prepared
for the unseasonably cool weather and bring extra clothing if
spending time in the mountains.
Nice start to the Bow hunt…-no kidding..
What irritates me most about scare stories on severe weather events is that such events are inevitable. In some years we have none, in others we have a few, it is just the way things are.
In any big engineering construction program, it is necessary to have a contingency plan to allow for a once in a 100 or 200 year weather event – in some extreme cases, it is for a 5oo year event.
So, a couple of these 100 year events happened in 2010 – a hot one around Moscow and a cold one in parts of South America.
We all instinctively knew the AGW fanatics would blame these two events on global warming; this is what these people do: blame any kind of weather aberration on ‘global warming’.
“air temperature in the city of Santa Cruz fell to 4 ĖC this July, a low beaten only by a record of 2.5 ĖC in 1955.”
“it is unprecedented in recorded history.”
On another note, Anthony posted a while back about phytoplankton levels in the oceans dropping. No phyto, no fish food, right? Keeping with the doom and gloom, we’re all going to die………..
B.C. sockeye salmon returns best in nearly a century
VANCOUVER ā B.C. is reaping the biggest sockeye salmon return in nearly a century, just a year after one of the smallest returns on record.
Fishery officials estimated Tuesday that more than 25 million sockeye salmon will return to the Fraser River this year, the largest number since 1913. Last yearās return was 1.7 million ā the lowest in more than 50 years.
And the estimate could yet go higher as Tuesdayās test catch was the largest all year, said Barry Rosenberger, area director for the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.
http://www.vancouversun.com/Record+number+sockeye+salmon+return/3437979/story.html
I use to love watching the Discovery/Nat Geo channels. The subjects were interesting and the presentation very good. But lately, everything from foot corns to dog mange is being blamed on AGW. it is tiring. I guess the message is “do not watch” if you want to stay informed. At least intelligently informed.
I still watch the Battle 360 series. At least they have not started blaming past wars on AGW – yet.
Wait a minute, something doesn’t compute here.
“Scientists who have visited the affected rivers say the event is the biggest ecological disaster Bolivia has known, and, as an example of a sudden climatic change wreaking havoc on wildlife, it is unprecedented in recorded history.”
And yet we learn
“Hugo Mamani, head of forecasting at Senamhi, Boliviaās national weather centre, confirms that the air temperature in the city of Santa Cruz fell to 4 ĖC this July, a low beaten only by a record of 2.5 ĖC in 1955.”
So there were lower temperatures over 50 years ago-so hardly unprecedented. Mind you the Bolivian weather records don’t seem to go that far back anyway and as Chiefio remarked;
“We originally saw this picture, and this problem, in this posting:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/ghcn-south-america-andes-what-andes/
One Small Problem with the anomally map. There has not been any thermometer data for Bolivia in GHCN since 1990.
None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Nothing. Empty Set.
So just how can it be so Hot Hot Hot! in Bolivia if there is NO data from the last 20 years?
Easy. GIStemp āmakes it upā from ānearbyā thermometers up to 1200 km away. So what is within 1200 km of Bolivia? The beaches of Chili, Peru and the Amazon Jungle.
Not exactly the same as snow capped peaks and high cold desert, but hey, you gotta make do with what you have, you know? (The official excuse given is that the data acceptance window closes on one day of the month and Bolivia does not report until after that date. Oh, and they never ever would want to go back and add date into the past after a close date. Yet they are happy to fiddle with, adjust, modify, and wholesale change and delete old data as they change their adjustment methodsā¦)”
‘ So for Chiefios comments about how can it be so hot hot hot substitute the words cold cold cold.
Poor records, nothing of any age, nothing unprecedented. Move along, nothing to ese here.
Tonyb
If only some technological means of combining the Siberian heat wave with the South American cold snap could be devised to produce something a bit more, well, ya know, average, we could all be saved.
When I first saw the link on Drudge I thought it was a new disaster hitting S. America. Upon following the link I discovered it was an old (and mostly ignored) story being regurgitated by one of the AGW house organs (Nature) with the correct party line.
Just picture in your mind the scene that would have unfolded were we all to be living in harmony with nature, with large numbers of mass graves for the human death toll suffered as a consequence. A trickle of aid might arrive at the disaster area ā in a month or two ā just in time to begin the process of digging mass graves … with hand-held shovels.
Looks like Global Warming will open the doors to lots of green jobs making woolly underwear.
Maybe Nature hired somebody who left New Scientist and that person was the carrier of the disease that brought New Scientist down?
Then again, maybe Mother Nature is sentient.
Having evolved an intelligent species that could solve the Permian disaster, that species now includes so many ecomonsters that say that life-promoting temperatures are bad and the key life-promoting gas is a poison and advocating some truly dangerous things to “heal” those blessings–well, she decides it better get cold fast. It will hurt a lot of life, but some people will wake up.
If Mother Nature is sentient, she must sense that although we are making adolescent mistakes, we also have great promise. After our inital blunders we WILL solve these catastrophes and make life on Planet Earth much more secure.
Esther Cook
View from the Solent said on August 28, 2010 at 11:13 am
*ahem*
Have homo sapiens stopped being people? PETA thinks cows, dogs, cats, and hamsters are people so homo sapiens should qualify.
More fun:
Do the proofreaders have a checklist of words that must be in any
weatherclimate related story, with “unprecedented” at the top of the list?Why, there has not been such animal death from cold since the last ice age! It must be our reliance on fossil fuels! What else could it be?
Maxwell’s Demon has been very active. And Nature’s Editors are delusional.
Note that they (the writers, the publicists, the enviro’s making their money from CAGW hype and hysteria) decry the bird kills, the fish kills, and the fruit and tree damages.
No mention of the humans killed each year by excessive cold temperatures.
When they say this die-off is the first in recorded history, how far back are they talking? They always act like climate/weather started when the measurements started.
“Scientists who have visited the affected rivers say the event is the biggest ecological disaster Bolivia has known, and, as an example of a sudden climatic change wreaking havoc on wildlife, it is unprecedented in recorded history.”
Maybe we can get Kerry Emmanuel to give these “scientists” a briefing on the difference between “climate” and”weather”.
DonK31 says:
August 28, 2010 at 11:08 am
Was nice, I offer another one from before AGW:
“protocol of a catrastrophe” – Winter 78/79 in Northern Germany.
Unfortunately, speech is german, nevertheless the pictures do tell.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5616993840761940811#
Pictures and expiriences from – then Western and Eastern Germany-
when they were still apart – but suffered same.
Here is a plot of the average annual temperature anomaly averaging the six 5×5 grids covering most of Bolivia from the Hadley CRUTEM3 database
A long-term cooling trend is observed.
Wait. What? Non-freezing cold killed over 500 penguins?
And, was this cold-snap “sudden” like in the over-the-top movie 2012 where people had seconds to escape or being frozen to death?
And, if this is due to global warming, then how come it was colder in 1955 as stated in article?
As a layman I don’t understand these.
Richard North has right take on this:
“That is what is going to destroy their little game … not the science, but the sheer boredom of it all. Climate change is boring, boring boring”
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/
I’m bored too, but Josh cheers me up:
http://www.cartoonsbyjosh.com/
Tiresome phrase of the month submission: “it is unprecedented in recorded history.”
So my question is: Who’s recorded history? Bolivia? Egypt? Rome? China? Australian Aboriginal? And what constitutes “recorded”? Do cave paintings count?
@View from the Solent says: August 28, 2010 at 11:13 am
They still seem to be keeping stumm about the excess mortality in the UK for last winter. Perhaps they were keeping score on a computer coupled up to one of those wind turbines that never turned a blade for week after week after week.
If there had been a Moscow style heat wave you’d have been able to hear them shouting about the excess mortality loudly enough.
I’d love to see someone try to explain how manmade greenhouse gases caused the Pacific Ocean off South America to turn so cool.
More propaganda from those who are either ignorant to history or willfully choose to ignore it. More disheartening, especially from a so called science based magazine, is the willful redefinition of another good technical term. This misrepresentation of the facts is nothing new for NatureNews. Fortunately or unfortunately, as the case may be, this kind of thing calls the credibility of the whole into question.
I examined the hijacking of technical terms in a recent essay titled, “Climate Change, Just What Is That Anyway?”, a part of which I will quote here:
“From Wikipedia:
‘For current global climate change, see Global warming.
For past climate change, see paleoclimatology and geologic temperature record.
Climate change is a change in the statistical distribution of weather over periods of time that range from decades to millions of years. It can be a change in the average weather or a change in the distribution of weather events around an average (for example, greater or fewer extreme weather events). Climate change may be limited to a specific region, or may occur across the whole Earth.’ Now I can live with that as it meets all the needs of my science and I suspect others. I am sure it was written by someone knowledgeable in the scientific method and the Philosophy of Science. However, the Wikipedia authors go on to say:
“In recent usage, especially in the context of environmental policy, climate change usually refers to changes in modern climate. It may be qualified as anthropogenic climate change, more generally known as “global warming” or “anthropogenic global warming” (AGW).’ I guess that explains my wondering. It is clear that two different definitions are in use. This is not good. It is very much not good, because it tends to cause confusion.”
Unless of course, that is the purpose to cause confusion.
The hundreds more or less don’t matter. The peoples are only the numbers in the statistics and headlines.
A peer-reviewed paper on the decline and fall of “Nature” as a scientific journal seems like a good idea. I hope (in vain I’m convinced) that the three decades of unashamed dalliances with “new world oder (sic on purpose) anti-scientists” will end with the folding of Nature. I hope (perhaps not in vain) that those journals that bravely published papers critical of the CAGW hypothesis (really when you know you are cooking the stuff, hyothesis or any noun suggesting legitimate inquiry is not appropriate let alone “theory”) will be promoted to premier status. Time is short for changing horses y’all.
To quote the article: “With such extreme climatic events potentially becoming more common due to climate change…” and, “The blame lies, at least indirectly, with a mass of Antarctic air that settled over the Southern Cone of South America for most of July.”
I never thought I would see the day that a mass of Antarctic air was considered unusually extreme. I guess I underestimated CAGWers determination.
One of the comments to the article===
Climate Change Dictionary
PEER REVIEW: The act of banding together a group of like-minded academics with a funding conflict of interest, for the purpose of squeezing out any research voices that threaten the multi-million dollar government grant gravy train.
SETTLED SCIENCE: Betrayal of the scientific method for politics or money or both.
DENIER: Anyone who suspects the truth.
CLIMATE CHANGE: What has been happening for billions of years, but should now be flogged to produce ‘panic for profit.’
NOBEL PEACE PRIZE: Leftist Nutcase Prize, unrelated to “Peace” in any meaningful way.
DATA, EVIDENCE: Unnecessary details. If anyone asks for this, see “DENIER,” above.
CLIMATE SCIENTIST: A person skilled in spouting obscure, scientific-sounding jargon that has the effect of deflecting requests for “DATA” by “DENIERS.” Also skilled at affecting an aura of “Smartest Person in the Room” to buffalo gullible legislators and journalists.
JUNK SCIENCE: The use of invalid scientific evidence resulting in findings of causation which simply cannot be justified or understood from the standpoint of the current state of credible scientific or medical knowledge.
That shift from “global warming” to “climate change” was really convenient. Now there is truly nothing that can’t be blamed on “climate change”.
“We hope to secure financing for these studies to find out why the fish are dying,” he says. With luck, and money, these will start in October.
That is from the “Nature” article. May be the reason for the obligatory cite of “climate change”. The mention that there was a colder period in 1955 went kind of “mentioned in passing”.
You admit only tangentially (as in your reply to the above comment) that this AGW hoax is led by misanthropy and not science, but yet, you won’t call it that. I now have a new sig:
Animus homo inimicus delenda est.
Misanthropy is to be wiped out.
So what is the possible observation to falsify AGW? Either cold or warm, dry or wet, all just confirm Man Is Warming Climate Catastrophically? If you question it, you’re being a denier.
Doesn’t this sound like a religion?
Here is a plot of the average annual temperature anomaly averaging the six 5Ć5 grids covering most of Bolivia from the Hadley CRUTEM3 database
(Link didn’t show up in previous post)
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/climgraph.aspx?pltparms=HCRUG100AJanDecA188020090900610AR25-20S:65-70W%20%20×25-20S:60-65W%20%20×20-15S:65-70W%20%20×20-15S:60-65W%20%20×15-10S:65-70W%20%20×15-10S:60-65W%20%20x
A long-term cooling trend is observed.
Curiousgeorge says:
August 28, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Tiresome phrase of the month submission: āit is unprecedented in recorded history.ā
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George, they contradict themselves in the article.
They say it’s “unprecedented in recorded history”, then say 55 years ago, it was a lot colder “a low beaten only by a record of 2.5 ĖC in 1955.”
Now this is beyond absurd. I think the article is referring to studying the Effects of natural catastrophic SUDDEN climate extremes in order to predict what will happen with anthropogenic events. So it is studying the Effects of a natural cold extreme event to make predictions about anthropogenic extreme events. Next year, when another natural cold extreme event happens (or a natural hot event like what happened in Russia), they will study that too, in an all out effort to prepare for anthropogenic events. Problem is, when do we get to apply all the newly learned knowledge if all they ever do is study natural events?
Wait a minute. There is some deep seated wisdom here. Can’t put my finger on it. Has to do with folly I think.
Most climate records seem to show that the 1950s were relatively cool, prior to the increases in temp for the 1980s and 1990s; the fact the the current chill in South America had precedents should come as no surprise. What records exist for that period is another question.
The English teacher in me wants to point out that “who’s” means “who is” or “who has” (Who’s coming for supper tonight? Who’s been eating my chips?). The possessive form of who is whose (Whose book is this?). Possessive pronouns don’t have apostrophes; contractions do.
Unprecidented ?
Q: So, how many critters died in ’55 ?
A: Well, uh… nobody was reporting on odd environmental events
that didn’t kill humans in Bolivia back then.
Nature news is absolutely right: it is climate change, but not global warming…
Curiousgeorge: August 28, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Tiresome phrase of the month submission: āit is unprecedented in recorded history.ā
So my question is: Whoās recorded history?
Anna Petherick’s.
Cod: “With the decline cod began to disappear.”
Here’s Dr. Tim Ball: “Government only considered over-fishing as the cause and closed the fishery.”
“Fish Twisted:
“Roger Pocklington, a Canadian oceanographer and climatologist studied water temperatures from Newfoundland to Bermuda. A hero in the 1970s when cooling was the consensus because he showed water temperatures falling. He was amused when the climate consensus shifted to warming and he was an outsider because the water temperatures continued to decline. With the decline cod began to disappear. We discussed the climatic reasons for the decline, which were very cold decades in northeastern North America and changes in wind patterns pushing cold dense waters of the Labrador Current much further south into the cod fishing grounds of the Grand Banks. We were concerned about decline in the number of cod as water temperatures fell, but the standard now was to blame humans.
Government only considered over-fishing as the cause and closed the fishery. It is fourteen years on and the fish stay away despite going through three cycles because water temperatures remain low. If it was over-fishing recovery would be in progress; their absence is proof of temperature being the major factor. Closing the cod fisheries in Newfoundland was akin to banning corn production in Iowa. The economy was disrupted and would have been devastated except ironically, it was those evil oil companies that saved the day. Discovery of massive deepwater oil deposits at Hibernia boosted the economy and papered over the impact. Thousands of Newfoundlanders also migrated to the newly expanding Athabasca Tar Sands. Meanwhile a traditional economy and lifestyle are gone, but without the oil they are devastated.”
http://guineequatoriale.info/newfoundland-cod-fishery
Bill Jamison said on August 28, 2010 at 12:39 pm:
The anthropogenic GHG’s caused the warming which lead to increased evaporation which cooled the ocean then the heat was transported up into the atmosphere where condensation allowed the heat to be released where the anthropogenic GHG’s caused the heat to be radiated back to the ocean as part of a positive feedback loop leading to a cooler ocean although it was not anomalously cooler as obviously the long term trend shows warming oceans due to anthropogenic GHG’s causing Anthropogenic
Global WarmingClimate Change.Or something like that. And it makes perfect sense because Hansen predicted it would happen long ago. And it is all mankind’s fault. Except that it’s the fault of the rich Western nations, the Bolivians are blameless as Bolivia is neither rich nor a Western nation. Thus the lawsuits for loss of income, loss of livelihood, loss of property, and wrongful death may immediately begin being filed against the nearest rich Western US-based multi-national corporation, soul-less honor-less money-stealing environment-destroying capitalist bastards that they are.
So you know, you might as well admit to your own culpability in the matter right now. The UN World Climate Court will look favorably at such an early act of contrition. In the right-side toolbar of this page there is a handy “Donate” button that you may use for sending in payments, which will be 100% directed to preventing further catastrophic tragedies such as this Nature article.
When there is a sudden stratospheric warming, such as the event over the south pole this July, the polar vortex gets disrupted, sending cold polar air to lower latitudes.
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/temperature/05mb6590.gif
It seems this has extended winter in the Southern Hemisphere, including Australia and South America.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa…aseasonal/temp10anim.gif
A similar sudden stratospheric warming was experienced in January 2009, over the North pole, the effects on the weather in Western Europe and the UK were notable over the following 3 weeks as the normal westerly airflow reversed, bringing Siberian chill and snow to the Atlantic seaboard of Europe.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=36972
Missionaries used to come to my door and tell me that natural disasters were increasing due the sins of mankind.
Nothing ever changes. The whack jobs have just adopted a new religion.
No doubt this sick NATURE writings is sad and makes my stomack sick.
But!
But the good thing about the global warming agenda is, that they have screamed, shouted and forced the global WARMING message out in every corner of the world.
Therefore, when they now talk about cooling as a result of CO2, far most peoble wont buy it.
When its cooling peoble will think: “Hey! I thought they said global warming!!”
Its too late for the warming team to save their behinds in case of cooling – fortunately.
K.R. Frank
Why is it only the over-educated propeller heads would accept an argument that record cold is proof of global warming? The average person would laugh anyone out of the room who made such a ridiculous statement.
The real devil is revealed!
Pamela Gray says:
August 28, 2010 at 1:05 pm
It all has to do with thier meaning of ‘study’.
(btw… snow level here in No. Ca 7-8000’….rained all night).
Somehow, I think they are studying how to word the opinion piece to promote warming in the face of cooling, and are oblivious to all else. So what if cold ran up and crossed the equator. Who cares about the record Antarctic Sea Ice. La Nina, what’s that?
Pass the Kool-Aid.
we need to take note of the SH winter land temps and compare them to the GISS temp anomalies when there are released…
So as the shift in cold moves to the northern hemisphere this coming winter, how many insulated shelters are being constructed in waterways for the survival of Manatees?
Piles driven, channel iron bolted on and fitted 4X8 sheets of Styrofoam insulated plywood prefabricated, that be slid down into place with clear plastic covers, to keep them from extinction?
Where is Green pieces or the Sierra clubb when the work needs to be done?
Green jobs creation would be where their funds should be being spent.
Speaking of rare events…. When I lived in Oregon, there was construction next door, and the surveyors placed a stake at the corner of our lot proclaiming that point the edge of a 150 year flood plain. This was a bit puzzling as we lived on a side hill at 500 feet above sea level. So I searched the regulations. It turns out that the figures used a 1% odds number, and the last flood at that level was the Missoula Deluges that occurred at the end of the last ice age, 15000 years ago.
Re: Richard Holle
“how many insulated shelters are being constructed in waterways for the survival of Manatees? ”
Dunno, have they built any new power plants?
JUNO BEACH, Fla., Dec. 27 /PRNewswire/ — The chilly temperatures of the
season traditionally herald the start of manatee viewing season at Florida
Power & Light Company’s Riviera power plant. The manatees, which seek a
temporary warm-water haven, gather near the plant’s discharge when the
temperatures dip below 68 degrees Fahrenheit.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/first-chilly-temperatures-of-the-year-lure-manatees-to-fpls-riviera-power-plant-76340892.html
Visitors entering the manatee viewing area will be treated to a mural
showing the many initiatives that make up FPL’s environmental commitment. A
mural honoring manatees has been extended to include artist renderings of
other plant and animal species native to Florida. Panels showcase large
renderings of the loggerhead sea turtle and a reference to FPL’s involvement
in sea turtle conservation at the St. Lucie power plant. The American
Crocodile, which makes its home in the cooling canals at the Turkey Point
power plant, is also featured.
For centuries priests and Sharman’s have known about the convenience of extreme weather events.
Predicted an extreme weather event as evidence of the displeasure of the gods and sooner or later you will get an extreme weather event of one sort or another.
Which can then be taken as irrefutable evidence that you can communicate with the gods. From then on any of the local population that need to communicate with the gods can do so through you. Of course the gods always need sacrifice which you will pass on to them (less your commission)
Richard Holle
Aah Richard, don’t you know those guys don’t really spend their time on projects like you describe but spend their time condemning sportsmen and hunters who actually pay millions to support fishing and wildlife and preserving woods and fisheries.
They make me sick.
Curiousgeorge says: Whoās recorded history?
Bill Tuttle says: Anna Petherickās.
Anna Petherick says: I worked as a science journalist for The Economist and had the good fortune to be able to do that pretty often. Because all of those articles are anonymous . . .
But she’s curiously shy about letting just anybody know what that recorded history is.
latitude says:
August 28, 2010 at 11:39 am
VANCOUVER ā B.C. is reaping the biggest sockeye salmon return in nearly a century, just a year after one of the smallest returns on record.
Looks like the PDO multidecadal oscillation phase shift to cool.
Ref.: A Pacific interdecadal climate oscillation with impacts on salmon production (N. Mantua, S. Hare, et al 1997).
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~mantua/REPORTS/PDO/pdo_paper.html
Here’s the recent update on the sockeye salmon return and numbers from the Fraser River Panel: http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2010/Announcement20.pdf
Excerpt: “Current run size assessments suggest that the total Fraser sockeye return this season is slightly over 30,000,000 fish (including 105,000 Early Stuart sockeye), which is the largest return since 1913.”
Marlene Anderson says:
August 28, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Why is it only the over-educated propeller heads would accept an argument that record cold is proof of global warming? The average person would laugh anyone out of the room who made such a ridiculous statement.
The other end of the spectrum would be politicians who likewise accepted such outrageous arguments.
From: Richard Holle on August 28, 2010 at 3:00 pm
There are other plans in the works. Since Climate Change will be increasing the frequency of Catastrophic Climatic Events, namely hurricanes, which will destroy the oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico causing massive oil spills thus further destruction of habitat, the manatees are to be evacuated from Florida. They’ll be sent up to the Chesapeake Bay, which Climate Change has already caused, or soon will cause it to become a nice warm safe habitat for them.
The money for it has already been appropriated, it was on page 679 of the Stimulus Bill. Granted they’ve already spent 2/3 of it on studies, research, and conferences in Cancun (near the problem), but 1/5 of the money was firmly set aside at the start for lobbying Congress for the necessary funds to continue the studying, researching, and conferencing thus you know the project will get done.
This of course is part of the Obama administration’s amazing commitment to adapting to the realities of our Climate Change-ravaged world. This was also evidenced by supporting the development of citrus groves in New Jersey, pg. 938.
After the completion of this and other initiatives, Florida will have neither cute fluffy manatees, nor citrus groves, NASA will have no need of space launch facilities in Florida (or anywhere else), yet Florida will still be capable of voting Republican. Thus having only one sole remaining value to the US, Florida will be utilized by DC to settle an old debt by returning it to Mexico. All of this is scheduled to be completed during the first administration of President Michelle Obama, subject to Change.
“The blame lies, at least indirectly</b?, with a mass of Antarctic air that settled over the Southern Cone of South America for most of July."
No, no… I’d say squarely. Now AGW might be indirectly responsible for the extreme cold, but there’s not a whit of evidence for that.
I guess they forgot to type LOUDER and S-L-O-W-E-R because I certainly didn’t react with the appropriate alarm.
[/sarcastic contempt]
Sorry, folks. Gary Haq hacked me off a few threads ago with his assumption that one loses critical thinking skills with age, and I’m still a little cranky about it.
H.R. says:
August 28, 2010 at 4:43 pm
“”that one loses critical thinking skills with age,””
Double speak for the justification of the use of the term “Old codger”
=Feisty old fart who still remembers the last five or six major wars, and the results of at least 15 presidential elections.
Once more, we need to quote Professor K.Abdusamatov, when asked about GW: “ThatĀ“s Hollywood Science”.
Shame on all those “scientists”.
Enjoyed reading this humorous thread!
However, the discussion of the semantic games being played in the press, journals and throughout popular culture relevant to weather/climate reminded me of someone. His name was Winston Smith. If you recall, he was the main character from Orwell’s dystopian novel. Winston worked on ‘improving’ the dictionary, the Newspeak dictionary. His job was not to chronicle the ever increasing diversity of the language, but rather to limit the language in the pursuit of narrowing the possible extent of discourse.
Words are powerful. The warmists know this. As their tangled web continues to unravel, they know that their big lie cannot continue to be perpetrated without increased control of the discourse. It’s not enough to have a defacto monopoly over the opinion cartel, the language must also be manipulated to reduce the potential for us to have ‘impure thoughts’ or to accidentally become aware of the contradictions. As a result:
Warm is warm. Cool is unwarm. Cold is super plus unwarm.
‘Unprecedented’ describes any event which has not been observed within recent memory.
‘Denial’ is disbelief in something that doesn’t exist.
Cold air from Antarctica (in SH winter) is an ‘extreme’ event.
‘Extreme’ applies to any weather event whose measurable properties deviate perceptibly from the long term average.
Weather is climate, except when it’s not.
The basic building block of all life on earth is a pollutant.
Anthropogenic global warming cannot be falsified, thus climate change is science.
After all, 1984 was 26 years ago!
Richard Holle says:
August 28, 2010 at 3:00 pm
So as the shift in cold moves to the northern hemisphere this coming winter, how many insulated shelters are being constructed in waterways for the survival of Manatees?
Piles driven, channel iron bolted on and fitted 4X8 sheets of Styrofoam insulated plywood prefabricated, that be slid down into place with clear plastic covers, to keep them from extinction?
Where is Green pieces or the Sierra clubb when the work needs to be done?
Green jobs creation would be where their funds should be being spent.
Surely you jest, Richard!! See here: The extremists/propagandists LIVE for catastrophe!
Without said catastrophe, they would have to create one. So then, the manatees must suffer in order that the extremists/propagandists have some blood to dance in, and to slather all over their bodies in an obscene orgy of delight.
Remember: It’s not about climate; rather, it’s all about people-control and political power.
Those fish still look good to me. Let’s have a block party and a fish fry!
Those that push an agenda regarding ‘climate change’ do so without regards to facts or supposed facts that can be seemingly overwhelming to the majority that pay no attention to the subtleties that surround them.
The Environmentalist has smoke and mirrors working in their favor and until those slight of hand tricks can be exposed for whom they serve, ‘climate change’ and those that support it, will continue to exploit that majority.
The most effective means in order to expose those that support ‘climate change’ would be to take the matter to court.
Al Gore said there is no debate, yet a debate rages on in homes, in the streets, and in the office place.
The true debate isn’t about climate change at all. The debate is how long will it take for the matter to be settled in a court of law.
A trial for … “this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”
Let Lincolns words reverberate to the highest courts of our land and put this matter to rest once and for all and expose those that would had taken our liberties away through fraud and deceit.
Leaders throughout history have taken up similar causes because of their faith and determination to see righteousness prevail.
Understanding true leadership principles is essential for success in any endeavor worth pursuing.
If the leaders of todays governments had felt that those skeptical of the nature of ‘climate change’ had defrauded its people, trust me, they would have had already found their fate in some high court.
Yet the voice of the people go unheard by the very people who had sworn to protect them.
How long will such an injustice, such that ‘climate change’ is, continue before that injustice bankrupts nations and forever puts our very freedoms in the hands that would bond us to the notion we are at fault for the changing of the seasons?
I say as long as it takes until at least one true leader emerges that supports it people and is willing to represent the very people that they entrusted to do so, because this is one endeavor worthy of pursuing.
Good Day !
IPCC and supports cna have the best of both world with the “Climate Change” label.
Don’t have to account for being incorrect!
@wwf: Are YOU saying that a warmer atmosphere will not make the poles warmer?
We’re saved!
Vancouver Sun
August 27, 2010
Bountiful salmon run reminds us we know little about the fishery
Excerpt:
“It does suggest, however, that all of the apocalyptic warnings about the effect of global warming, pollution and sea lice from fish farming on our wild salmon have been somewhat premature.”
Ya think? ROFL!
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Bountiful+salmon+reminds+know+little+about+fishery/3448952/story.html
Alligators in Bolivia, WT…?
Here is an article that tells a tale of not just weather, but economics.
Imagine how these companies might have survived if cap and trade had passed.
These companies would not have just suffered setbacks.. they would have been crippled.
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/weather/weather_experts/coldest-winter-in-a-half-century-in-the-southern-hemisphere
What you people fail to realize is there is One Trillion Dollars/Year on the line promoting the AGW scam. LMAO at the people who are now not going to make that money on the scam.
kfg: August 28, 2010 at 3:49 pm
But sheās curiously shy about letting just anybody know what that recorded history is.
“There are some things Man was not meant to know…”
“The prolonged cold snap has also been linked to the deaths of at least 550 penguins along the coasts of Brazil and thousands of cattle in Paraguay and Brazil, as well as hundreds of people in the region.”
Funny that the penguins are mentioned in such a way that leaves one with the impression that the penguins are more important than the people (or the cattle, for that matter).
Woke up this morning to snow on the peaks (and there are plenty of folks up there on the trails). This means that we have had snow somewhere in Wallowa County every month throughout the summer. And I am not counting hail. Just the flaky stuff. Maybe the folks who study extreme cold events could come to our place and study our extreme event. I’m sure the folks around here would welcome warmers.
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
August 28, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Nice rant!
People do need to AT LEAST get angry about being lied to, manipulated, exploited and taken for complete idiots, before anything has a chance of changing.
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Bill Tuttle says: āThere are some things Man was not meant to knowā¦ā
I find myself unable to reply with anything that is a) humorous and b) within my own bounds of decency.
Buried in your car’s AC repair costs?
Here’s the Money back guaranteed Climate Change fix:
Just turn on the heater and eventually the anomaly outside will be less than the anomaly inside.
Then, after you are thoroughly cooked, roll down the windows. Feel that anomalously cooler air?
See… auto warming causes auto cooling.
We’re better now, Ollie.
āWith such extreme climatic events potentially becoming more common due to climate change, scientists are hurrying to coordinate research into the impact, and how quickly the ecosystem is likely to recover.ā
The weasel word, of course is “potentially”. The obfuscation is the use of the phrase “climate change” to mean “manmade climate change”. As far as “hurrying to coordinate research into the impact” I’d like to think that’s just scientese for assessing the damage, but it sounds suspiciously like “we need to get our story straight on this”. As for “how quickly the system is likely to recover”, I suppose they mean “let’s just run some playstation models, already conveniently programmed with the usual carbonastrophic suppositions and see what we get”. Dollars to donuts it will be “much worse than we thought”.
Typical mind-numbing post-normal pseudoscience.
here is news video report of the disaster…
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWIzUwZ1Spk&fs=1&hl=en_US]
and more news reports about the antarctic cold in SA. my favorite one is the snow covered palms on a brazilian beach…and mendoza, ag (that’s wine country) recordinga colder temp than argentina’s antarctic station
http://www.boliviabella.com/1-million-fish-dead-in-bolivian-ecological-disaster.html
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/08/05/snow-in-brazil-below-zero-celsius-in-the-river-plate-and-tropical-fish-frozen
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-03/argentina-colder-than-antarctica-spurs-record-power-imports-shuts-plants.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/01/peru-freezing-weather-emergency
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=361111&CategoryId=14095
http://enperublog.com/2010/07/19/cold-wave-sends-amazon-temperatures-to-icy-depths/
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle- lost
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10679088
http://en.trend.az/regions/world/ocountries/1723309.html
La Nina? I don’t see no stinking La Nina! š
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peterhodges,
the video is unbelievable
Dr. John M. Ware says:
August 28, 2010 at 1:28 pm
I had to mentally go through possive pronouns to realize the truth of your “English Teacher” remark. I wish I had had English teachers that would have at least made the rules as simple as you did!