Green -vs- Green: Eu Climate Exchange website hacked

NOTE: See updates below, it appears a green group, Climate Justice Action claims responsibility and apparently attacked ECX.eu in a tiff over carbon credit policy.

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The Independent Media Centre of Australia is reporting that the sister website of the flatlining Chicago Climate Exchange, the European Climate Exchange (ECX), had it’s main page hacked and replaced with the image above. I’ve confirmed this with Google cache of the ECX website available here, Screencap of the cached page here. [Update: Wikipedia now has a larger screencap online here]

While they have since taken down that image, video, and text, the main page and the rest of the website appears to still be mostly nonfunctional (as of this writing) as you can see in the next screencap.

Indymedia writes:

In a protest against carbon trading as a method for acting on climate change, on Friday, July 23 at just before midnight, the public website of the European Climate Exchange (ECX), the leading marketplace for trading CO2 emissions in Europe, was targetted by hacktivists of the autonomous tech collective *decocidio* (#?).

In a public act of digital direct action, the ECX website was taken offline and replaced with a message in an effort to try to raise awareness about carbon trading as a dangerous false solution to the climate crisis, in support of the grassroots activists aiming to oppose the power structures and companies profiteering from the dysfunctional Cap & Trade scheme.

The hacked page shows the embedded video of The Story of Cap and Trade with links to activist groups Earth First, Climate Justice Action, and the Hack Bloc. The purpose of the hack was to expose carbon trading as a scam:

According to the hack message:

“The Cap and Trade system (as implemented in the EU Emissions Trading Scheme) has a whole range of issues:

* It’s main purpose is not to reduce emissions, but to help polluters meet “reduction” targets in the cheapest way possible, in a business-as-usual scenario.
* Leaves room for unverifiable manipulation.
* Generates outrageous profits for big industry polluters, investors in fraudulent offset projects, opportunist traders and new ‘marketplaces’ such as the European Climate Exchange.
* It distracts attention from the wider, systemic changes and collective political action that needs to be taken to tackle climate change and it’s fundamental root causes.”

In 2009 Friends of the Earth UK released a report warning that carbon trading could trigger a second ‘sub-prime’ style financial collapse and fail to protect the world from global warming catastrophe. A copy of the full report, ‘A Dangerous Obsession’, is available at: http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/reports/dangerous_obsession.pdf

IndyMediaAU full story here, h/t to Tom Nelson

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In other news, if you are interested in Carbon Trading, there’s a manual for it:

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Click for full report (PDF)

Above: thanks to Kate at smalldeadanimals.com

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Update: For the record, to prevent some from jumping to conclusions, I don’t condone hacking of websites. I also don’t condone carbon trading as I think it is indeed a recipe for easy abuse and “gaming” of the system.

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Update2: The hacker or hackers  identifies on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Damhert/Decocidio#The_hacking_of_the_European_Climate_Exchange_website

Excerpt:

Decocidio #ϴ is an anonymous group of hacktivists describing themselves as an autonomous tech collective. They take action in the spirit of Climate Justice Action, pursuing the same goals.

In a bizarre twist, it appears that one group of greens (CJA) attacked another (ECX.eu).

h/t to WUWT reader Neil

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Update3: It appears that the ECX website is back to normal now, but look at what is on the main page:

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It’s worse than we thought.

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86 Responses to Green -vs- Green: Eu Climate Exchange website hacked

  1. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:

    Barak Obama was part of the founding of CCX.

  2. Mike says:

    I assume WUWT is appalled at such acts of cyber-vandalism. I would certainly denounce any effort to disrupt your website. But instead it appears you are encouraging it. You accuse climate scientists of being part of some crazy conspiracy, but hacking is a conspiracy.(NOTE: As noted below, and in Mike’s comment further down, he is unable to cite, because it doesn’t exist, thus stricken. -A

    REPLY: I’ve added a clarification so that other people would not jump to the same incorrect conclusion as you.

    As for your other assertion I reject it. Hacking may or may not be a conspiracy. It depends on the situation. If one person does a hacking, it can’t be a conspiracy. Further, show a citation where I specifically said, in my words, not words or interpretation of others “climate scientists of being part of some crazy conspiracy” or withdraw your claim. – Anthony

  3. Inverse says:

    You sure its been hacked!!! it looks more accurate to reality than it normally does :)

  4. rbateman says:

    Another Pleasant Valley Sunday in the land of green.

  5. johnh says:

    Mike says:
    July 24, 2010 at 11:14 pm
    I assume WUWT is appalled at such acts of cyber-vandalism. I would certainly denounce any effort to disrupt your website. But instead it appears you are encouraging it. You accuse climate scientists of being part of some crazy conspiracy, but hacking is a conspiracy.

    Where in this article is there any encouragement to hack a Carbon Trading site or any other site ? , you should be more worried that its actually supporters of AGW that hacked the site and you have some strange bedfellows.

  6. Peter Plail says:

    I’m pleased to see Anthony has clarified his position for those like Mike who seem to confuse reporting with supporting.

  7. Stop Global Dumbing Now says:

    It was just a matter of time before the environ-mentals began to see how the AGW politicians and businessmen undermine their ideals and turned on them. It warms the heart. Too bad they’ll never give up on trying to control the weather/climate and put their energy into controlling real pollution and real conservation solutions.

  8. Inverse says:

    OMG, Lets hope Obama don’t go pressing the internet shutdown switch for this flagrant abuse…

  9. Mike Jowsey says:

    Sounds like the radical greenies have gone crazier than usual. I agree with Mike (#2) – this sort of thing should be denounced, not encouraged. By posting the hacked page on WUWT are you not encouraging it implicitly?

    REPLY: Let’s see, by a news paper or TV reporting news such as robberies, embezzlement, vandalism, computer virus creation, or hacking, etc do they condone it? Do they need to put a disclaimer on every story saying they don’t agree with it? I think not, and they don’t.

    Take http://slashdot.org/ for instance. That website reports on hackings regularly. Your don’t see disclaimers or denouncements posted with each story. – Anthony

  10. David Davidovics says:

    Did anyone else catch the south park reference with steps 6 and 7?

  11. Mike Jowsey says:

    OK – so we are agreed then that this hacking was a bad thing (in the same vein as other bad things like robberies, embezzlement, vandalism, computer virus creation).

  12. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:

    Mike says:
    July 24, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    But instead it appears you are encouraging it.

    I don’t see any encouraging of it. I didn’t see any encouraging of it at all when I first read it. And I still don’t now as I read it again.

  13. Jack Savage says:

    At the risk of having “Godwin’s Law” invoked…hands up those who would have hacked into Hitler’s website?

    All right, it was wrong, but a part of me has a tiny little smile,because I am convinced that carbon trading really is a scam and it distracts us from real environmental problems and causes needless expense to the common man.

  14. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:

    Leaves room for unverifiable manipulation.

    I think any stock market has room for this. In America some big bankers shorted housing stocks just before the housing market crash happened a couple years ago. There’s lots of things going on in stock markets that average people don’t understand. It’s about as safe for people who don’t know what they’re doing to get involved in stocks as it is to go to Vegas.

  15. Martin Brumby says:

    Being mindful of the amount of stick sceptics have been given over the “illegal hacking” of the UEA/CRU computers (almost certainly either incompetence or a whistleblower), it will be interesting to see if the MSM pick this story up and run with it.

    Of course, if they did, they might have to (a) point out how flawed is the whole concept of crap and trade and (b) the fact that the alarmists aren’t just serious scientists and concerned altruistic “student” types.

    My guess is that the media will avoid this like the plague. Nothing for them here. But, if it IS reported, don’t expect to see commenters lambasting them for not making it clear that they don’t approve of the hackers! Sheesh! Whatever next!

  16. Methow Ken says:

    Given the going price for carbon credits on the CCX, I wonder:
    Could this be a case of:
    Eu CX hacked.
    Nobody cares. . . .

  17. Jan Pompe says:

    Johnh

    It could indeed have been someone pro carbon tax e.g. Australian Green party appear not to like an emissions trading scheme but prefer a carbon tax. Even though I don’t agree with it I think it is a better option because it will be easier to roll back should it prove unnecessary or ineffective than cap and trade or any ETS scheme.

  18. Gnomish says:

    David Davidovics says:
    July 24, 2010 at 11:56 pm
    Did anyone else catch the south park reference with steps 6 and 7?
    ————————————————————

    Didn’t the south park reference come from EncyclopediaDramatica?

    Oh, yeah- I’m appalled at their security.

  19. John A says:

    I find myself wondering if I could buy a carbon credit at rock bottom prices just so I can keep the certificate as a souvenir of these crazy times

  20. SamG says:

    This post should have been titled ‘red vs. green’

    ;-0

  21. Bruce says:

    Maybe (?) the commies did it (this yesterday from the International Committee of the Fourth International, respecting ETS down-under):

    In the 2007 election campaign, Rudd appealed to people’s concern over the environment and opposition to the former Howard government’s indifference. However, Labor’s policies, including the ETS, were never about resolving climate change and were instead aimed at benefitting big business and finance capital. The proposed carbon trading mechanism was to involve the handover of $123 billion in compensation to business, including to the worst corporate polluters, while establishing a national market in pollution credits. The Australian financial sector hoped to reap the benefits of establishing Sydney as the regional hub of an East Asian carbon market, potentially including China, Japan, and Indiia.

    Looks like opposition climate idiocy has forged common ground with the communists for the first time since 1945 (sounds like a quote that some at WUWT would like!). It must be because a Global carbon cabal is indeed ACTUALLY worse than Hitler.

  22. Sandy says:

    The report here has probably given both groups more media cover than they’ve had in the last year. No such thing as bad publicity, I guess.

  23. Zorro says:

    Don’t buy ‘em John A when you can get ‘em for nothing.
    http://www.freecarbonoffsets.com/home.do

  24. Adam Gallon says:

    “Leaves room for unverifiable manipulation”
    Just like CruTemp, GISSTemp etc, etc!
    (Where’s a big smiley when you need it?)

  25. M White says:

    The only people we hate more than BIG OIL is the European Climate Exchange

  26. Steve says:

    So, lets look at the evidence. There’s seems to be a rash of bad schoolboy-error grammar errors in the hacker’s text, especially with an inability to correctly spell “its”, i.e. the possessive of it.
    “* It’s main purpose is not to reduce emissions…”
    …collective political action that needs to be taken to tackle climate change and it’s fundamental root causes…”

    Now let’s look at Anthony’s text introducing the hack:
    “the European Climate Exchange (ECX), had it’s main page hacked”

    Hummmmm. Watson, what do you make of it?

    :-)

  27. PJB says:

    Steve says:
    July 25, 2010 at 2:14 am
    So, lets look at the evidence.

    Methinks thou dost spend thy nights burning too much AGW midnight oil, Sherlock.

    It’s elementary, dear WATT’s on….

  28. UK Sceptic says:

    Maybe it was an inside job. Send in the East Anglian police. They’ll find the culprit.

    Oh wait…

  29. inversesquare says:

    Mike says:
    July 24, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    I assume WUWT is appalled at such acts of cyber-vandalism. I would certainly denounce any effort to disrupt your website. But instead it appears you are encouraging it. You accuse climate scientists of being part of some crazy conspiracy, but hacking is a conspiracy.

    ===================
    Reply:
    I know that feeding a troll is supposed to be a bad thing, but really…… Mike you’re a moron……

  30. David, Uk says:

    Mike says:
    July 24, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    I assume WUWT is appalled at such acts of cyber-vandalism. I would certainly denounce any effort to disrupt your website. But instead it appears you are encouraging it. You accuse climate scientists of being part of some crazy conspiracy, but hacking is a conspiracy.

    So according to Mike, simply reporting on an event is to be seen as “encouraging it.” And to top off his comment, he ends with a completely fabricated accusation. Way to go Mike.

    As for me, I am not quite so appalled as to lose any sleep over this hacking. In fact, to the contrary, I am delighted to see some whacko Greenies acknowledging the massive con that is carbon trading. OK, so they still insist that the climate is in “crisis” and needs to be tackled along with its “fundamental root causes” (isn’t it superfluous to say “fundamental” followed by “root”?) . I’m sure we can guess what this implies. What the Greenies (Reds) will never see, is that this con is indicative of the entire global warming con.

  31. inversesquare says:

    Jan Pompe says:
    July 25, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Johnh

    ……..I think it is a better option because it will be easier to roll back should it prove unnecessary or ineffective than cap and trade or any ETS scheme.

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    Couldn’t agree more mate…..!

  32. Katabasis says:

    @Mike

    “but hacking is a conspiracy.”

    Oh please. Just one person needs to get lucky once with a script – and one they probably didn’t even write themselves.

  33. Vuk etc. says:

    Mike Jowsey & Anthony
    - Freedom of information .
    - Freedom of speech .
    - Freedom to think for yourself .

  34. Tony Hansen says:

    With friends like this…..

  35. MalcolmR says:

    M White says:

    “The only people we hate more….”

    For every lesson in life there is always a Monty Python sketch! Thanks for reminding me. I wonder when Al Gore will start asking us to call him Loretta???

    Malcolm

  36. Henry chance says:

    It could be an insider that lost the faith. Climategate claims to be hacked but it also could have been a back slider warmista. an infidel.

  37. Bruce Cobb says:

    This is terrible, just terrible, and until the criminals who did this are caught and punished it will be difficult to sleep. I know I won’t be able to sleep tonight.
    Might as well stay up and party.

  38. Robert of Ottawa says:

    The watermelons reveal their red deepness. Evil profiting captelists!!

  39. Joe Lalonde says:

    On the funny side…
    This hacking would be on the same level as the Sierra club hacking into GreenPeace.

    On the serious side…
    Are you willing to have all your goods and services go up in price to cover the carbon tax and have no accountability in what it is actually for except for free money to new trading companies?
    These massive debts that the governments have racked up have to be paid somehow.

  40. 899 says:

    Mike Jowsey says:
    July 25, 2010 at 12:09 am
    OK – so we are agreed then that this hacking was a bad thing (in the same vein as other bad things like robberies, embezzlement, vandalism, computer virus creation).

    And fabricating Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming lies would fall into that category quite nicely too, right?

  41. Keith says:

    You would think for someone operating what is in effect a trading information site that their security would have been somewhat more ‘solid’. The technical due diligence for anything related to financial or personal info goes through the roof if you are doing it properly…

    Also the ‘state’ the site is currently in doesn’t bode well for the engineering level of whoever is maintaining it, and their future career prospects…

    Although, that being said, the points that were made in the screen capture of the hack were on the ball – too many ‘multipliers’ and ‘exceptions’ for it to really do anything except act as a barrier to entry for competition – the climate won’t really benefit in any sense.

  42. Simon Barnett says:

    Truly amazing.

    These eco-watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) have finally realised that their ideology has been stolen, repackaged, branded and sold back to them.

    Maybe having begun to question the solutions presented to this mythic problem, some of them might even be smart enough to start questioning the “science” that arrived at these conclusions.

    Or maybe not – these are crackers after all, NOT hackers as people insist on calling them. Hackers make things – Crackers break things. The ability to break computer security no more makes you a hacker than the ability to hotwire a car makes you an automotive engineer!!

    But if ever they start that process of questioning there is so much evidence on-line as to the corruption of climate-”science” (ht/WUWT) that anyone not fully indoctrinated into the church of global-cooling the Population-bomb ban DDTthe green house effect nuclear winter global warming passive smoking climate change, must come away with a host of doubts.

    I challenge any intellectually honest observer to actually read the CRUTape letters and then still claim that the “science” is deserving of the name. Which is why those recent investigations into climate “science” have avoided doing so.

    And for the same reason Phil Jones was never asked if he deleted data – i.e. the inquiriers didn’t want to be burdened by knowing the answer.

    But there is no surprise here – we already knew how climate “science” deals with investigation – their tactics are well documented in the – When the National Academies of the United States invited Keith Briffa to appear before its enquiry Mann wrote to him as follows:

    I think you really should do this if you possibly can. The panel is entirely legitimate, and the report was requested by Sherwood Boehlert, who as you probably know has been very supportive of us in the whole Barton affair. … Especially, with the new Science article by you and Tim I think its really important that one of you attend, if at all possible.

    If one is wondering about Mann’s definition of “legitimate”, he quickly erases any doubt:

    The panel is solid. Gerry North should do a good job in chairing this, and the other members are all solid. Christy is the token skeptic, but there are many others to keep him in check:

    (link to list of members)

    So I would encourage you to strongly reconsider!

    One wonders if they even bothered to include a “token skeptic” in the recent “investigations”. The results would suggest not.

  43. 899 says:

    Jack Savage says:
    July 25, 2010 at 12:15 am
    At the risk of having “Godwin’s Law” invoked…hands up those who would have hacked into Hitler’s website?

    All right, it was wrong, but a part of me has a tiny little smile,because I am convinced that carbon trading really is a scam and it distracts us from real environmental problems and causes needless expense to the common man.

    Okay, Jack, I’m game: What ‘real environmental problems’ are you talking about?

    Hint: If you even think about mentioning CO2, then you’ll be seen as insincere, inasmuch as that gas isn’t a problem.

  44. Kate says:

    Amino Acids in Meteorites at 11:11 pm
    “Barak Obama was part of the founding of CCX.”

    Yes he was, and so was Lord Browne of BP.

  45. Ric Werme says:

    Some of the comments here are funnier than the Friday Funnies! Hacking is a conspiracy? I guess the whole skeptics community is its own conspiracy. As are republicans, democrats, the Catholic church, ….

    While there may have been a conspiracy to hack ECX, Mike is making unfounded allegations. Mike should have learned by now this is not a good forum for that!

    Hmm, I guess I better document my claims too. When I get a chance. :-)

  46. wws says:

    The funniest thing is that everything the hackers put up on that page is exactly right. It’s been insane for the Enviro’s to support cap & trade, since as constituted it will do *nothing* to actually reduce CO2 in any real way, supposedly their main goal. It only makes “sense” from a government-business point of view; the goal for the government is to create tax revenues, the goal for business is to a) create a tradable commodity, with all the business opportunity that entails, and b) layer on enough costs that only the big boys can survive and all the smaller players get wiped out, thus guaranteeing growth and profits to the big players in spite of the increased costs.

    And those 2 goals explain 99% of the Legislative support for “cap and trade”. I imagine there are a handful of True Believers even still, but this has always been about the money, and about ripping off the public while doing little else.

    The hacker’s page has got that exactly right. It’s been insane for the greens to have bought into this, apparently with the excuse “it’s the best we can do” – but any honest Green who looks at this with an open mind would *Have* to hate Cap’n’Trade as much as we do! It truly is a *massive* fraud, and I mean that in the exact, literal, dictionary entry meaning of the word FRAUD. It promises to do something it cannot possibly do for the sole purpose of parting innocent people from their money.

    But it does say something that it had to die (we know the bill’s dead in the Senate now) before even the most honest of them would start to tell the truth about it.

  47. North of 43 and south of 44 says:

    I love it, it looks like the central committee has a major problem, non-civil war is erupting.

  48. TinyCO2 says:

    Carbon Trading always makes me think of a part of The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy where Douglas Adams discussed a global problem.

    He described Earth as a planet where most of the people were unhappy for pretty much of the time and that most of the suggested solutions were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn’t the small green bits of paper that were unhappy.

  49. Steve in SC says:

    Well I for one encourage the activities of these miscreants.
    It is time they were unmasked publicly and treated accordingly.

  50. Karl Maki says:

    David Davidovics says:
    July 24, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Did anyone else catch the south park reference with steps 6 and 7?

    Sure did — it looks like the business model of the Underpants Gnomes:
    step 1: steal underpants
    step 2: ???
    step 3: profit

  51. Gary Pearse says:

    Like Hansen, insisting on the whole loaf, they end up with none. The ideologues of a failed ideology can be counted on to get it wrong. Were I a CAGW proponent I would detest crap and spade too, but would recognize that it was at least a tiny step to test the waters on action against GW. It’s the best politicians can do. Thank God these guys always find a way to self destruct.

  52. John Whitman says:

    The report by The Independent Media Centre of Australia (in WUWT post above) implies the existence of eco-terrorism by Green groups that targets other members of the Green movement.

    This shows the possible existence of environmentalist cannibalism.

    They are eating their own now?

    John

  53. Mike (been there twice) McMillan says:

    How can you expect not to get hacked when your site password is “algore” ?

  54. ANH says:

    ‘We apologise for the inconveniency’ ????????
    Do they mean ‘inconvenience’ ?

  55. Mark Young says:

    AAiM, Any market can be manipulated, but the example you use isn’t a good one. Virtually everyone in my corner of the business saw the collapse in housing stocks at a given. It was only a timing decision as to when and and investment decision as to how much should be shorted.

    The think about the US stock market is that it’s a well understood mechanism. The “stock police” as well as market competitors are well aware of all the ways of manipulating the market. As such it’s pretty easy to spot, police and correct. Even more so now with good analysis software. (back in the day, it took a very skilled trader/observer to note “extraordinary” trading activity and investigate such.

    Now, carbon trading is based upon a fraud itself. It is certainly almost a surety that many of not most of the big players are there merely to game the system. I believe that no truly ethical traders or investors would want to have anything to do with it. Who’s left?

    Mark

    Amino Acids in Meteorites says: July 25, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Leaves room for unverifiable manipulation.

    I think any stock market has room for this. In America some big bankers shorted housing stocks just before the housing market crash happened a couple years ago. There’s lots of things going on in stock markets that average people don’t understand. It’s about as safe for people who don’t know what they’re doing to get involved in stocks as it is to go to Vegas.

  56. Mark Young says:

    M White says:
    July 25, 2010 at 2:09 am
    “The only people we hate more than BIG OIL is the European Climate Exchange”

    *HEARTY* LOL!!!

    Beat me too it!

    More seriously, this little incident is instructive on a number of levels. First, and foremost, many of us (me included) have been tending to view the AGW alarmists collectively as being of one mind. Such is not only incorrect but it’s a tad immoral. That’s as bad as viewing all skeptics as a monolith or all white folks, or women, or gays as a monolith. We’re individuals and when we may be collectivized, it’s only within very narrow contexts.

    Secondly, this does show how irrational some of the green base are. They seem to have problems with about the only good and reasonable aspects of “cap and trade”. Seems to them that anyone making money and complying efficiently with reduction goals while still staying in business is the problem for these folks. They’re fundamentally anti-capitalist and perhaps more than a little immature and irrational.

    Mark

  57. Jimbo says:

    Tony Hansen says:
    July 25, 2010 at 3:31 am

    With friends like this…..
    ————–
    Gavin of RC and Judith Curry have just been at each others throats apparently.
    http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=4431#comment-181895

  58. Paul Jackson says:

    * It’s main purpose is not to reduce emissions, but to help polluters meet “reduction” targets in the cheapest way possible, in a business-as-usual scenario.
    * Leaves room for unverifiable manipulation.
    * Generates outrageous profits for big industry polluters, investors in fraudulent offset projects, opportunist traders and new ‘marketplaces’ such as the European Climate Exchange.
    * It distracts attention from the wider, systemic changes and collective political action that needs to be taken to tackle climate change and it’s fundamental root causes.”

    Sometimes, the hardest part of being Mayor is recognizing when the village idiot has a one-in-a-lifetime flash of genius.

  59. Kate says:

    Taxing Thin Air
    There’s a ton of money to be extorted from the public in the West by taxing thin air, aka “cap and trade”.

    Once the Earth’s atmosphere has been fully monetized, and made exchangeable through “carbon credits” – a fiat currency derived from governmental “ownership” of the Earth’s atmosphere – all the insiders, manipulators, lobbyists, and other parasites will pocket their billion$ through the skimming mechanisms now in place such as the Chicago Climate Exchange, the European Climate Exchange, etc.

    There’s too much money to be made from taxing the air, and too many politicians and manipulators anxious to pocket whatever can be stolen from the public. So – never mind the science (mostly fraudulent anyway) – they are determined to force upon us “cap and trade” in some form or another by hook or by crook, or both.

  60. rbateman says:

    #6 on the page should have been “Makes its own gravy”.

  61. Gail Combs says:

    Jack Savage says:
    July 25, 2010 at 12:15 am

    …… I am convinced that carbon trading really is a scam and it distracts us from real environmental problems and causes needless expense to the common man.
    _____________________________________________________

    I agree.

    It never fails to astound me that the greens, can not see they are being manipulated and have been for years. Maurice Strong, chair of the First Earth Summit and Kyoto, and an important member of the UN commission on Global Governance, was president of an oil company for deity’s sake. Greenpeace and WWF get funded by Standard Oil dollars. And for some crazy reason they think those who see CAGW as nothing but a moneymaking power trip are FOR mega-poluting!

    So it seems some of the greens are waking up but as usual they show they do not have much in the way of honor or integrity.

  62. Crossopter says:

    Lest we forget the esteemed Catlin ‘expedition’ and their unique portrayal of the waggle-dance. Still LMTO…..

  63. Squidly says:

    Sorry, but this doesn’t bother me at all. As a computer professional myself (and Hacker, not Cracker), this only gives me a chuckle. It is these sort of events that supply me with job security. I hack (create things) to keep these things from happening to my clients. This simply helps support my industry, doesn’t bother me a bit.

    Welcome to the wonderful world of distributed computing! It’s a wild wild west out there!

    Cheers!

  64. Leon Brozyna says:

    Cute.

    On a par with those noble protagonists from that great literary digest, Mad magazine, Spy vs Spy.

  65. Mike says:

    “Further, show a citation where I specifically said, in my words, not words or interpretation of others “climate scientists of being part of some crazy conspiracy” or withdraw your claim.” – Anthony

    You are the publisher of this cite. You regularly post material from Steve Goddard that claims U.S. temperature data is deliberately adjusted to show warming. You and Steve wrote: “NCDC has done an first rate job raising Arizona summer temperatures… How did they accomplish this? – by magic!” I read that as a claim that NCDC scientists are in a conspiracy to distort data. If you wish to clarify you remark please feel free.

    REPLY: FAIL, you can’t cite it (me accusing a conspiracy of scientists) , because it doesn’t exist, thus your comment has been stricken. And further, NOAA NCDC does in fact deliberately adjust surface temperature data, by their own admission, and the result is warming. See NOAA NCDC graphs below. Oh and site as in “website”, cite as in “reference.” – Anthony

    NOAA adjustmesnts to USHCN by type

    Total NOAA USHCN adjustments vs time

    Source: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ushcn/ndp019.html

  66. Trev says:

    The ‘Climate on Sale’ or perhaps more like ‘Climate For Sale’ strikes me as an apt cry against the ‘warmist’ tendency.

    The reason ‘climate’ is popular is the many ways many can make money out of it.

  67. rbateman says:

    Gail Combs says:
    July 25, 2010 at 10:20 am

    They (real Greens) are starting to realize that they have thumbed a bad hitchhike.
    They are starting to get that they will be among the first to be tossed under the Bus, should Cap & Trade succeed, up front or by bureaucratic fiat.

  68. David Davidovics says:

    Karl Maki says:
    July 25, 2010 at 7:17 am
    Sure did — it looks like the business model of the Underpants Gnomes:
    step 1: steal underpants
    step 2: ???
    step 3: profit

    ======================

    Thats the one ;-)

  69. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:

    Mike,

    Did you know about ‘homogenization’ and other ‘adjustments’?

  70. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:

    Mike,

    You may have the impression that only Goddard and Watts have questions bout temperature data. But you have to step back and take a look at a bigger picture:

    UHI adjusted or not adjusted:

  71. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:

    Mike,

    Temperature stations in cooler areas have been dropped from the record. Please take the time to check into these things for yourself. You can do your own study. You don’t have to believe me. But what does dropping of stations in cooler areas mean? I think everyone should take the time to think about that.

    dropping of stations:

  72. Doug Quailman says:

    Digital direct action? That’s some fantastic Newspeak Indymedia!

  73. Theo Goodwin says:

    It was only a matter of time before the anti-Globalization movement took aim at Big Carbon. It is obvious that Big Carbon is just one more thrust of Big Statism. And, yes, the anti-Globalization folk do overlap with the Greens. So, yes, it could have been done by greens but all those folks approve – not necessarily of hacking, but of protesting in their inimical ways Big Carbon.

  74. Theo Goodwin says:

    wws writes:

    “It truly is a *massive* fraud, and I mean that in the exact, literal, dictionary entry meaning of the word FRAUD. It promises to do something it cannot possibly do for the sole purpose of parting innocent people from their money.”

    It is Enron written large and in stone. Only an MSM drinking the koolaid could forget Enron and fail to Connect the dots to Cap’n Fraud.

  75. Al Gored says:

    Anthony – Those graphs you included in your reply to Mike (July 25, 2010 at 11:15 am) are real slam-dunkers, and there’s another great urban-rural comparison graph at that source. If you have not already done an article on those findings – which I may have missed – that sure would be interesting.

  76. Julian in Wales says:

    Obviously this hack was the antisocial act by green extremists who have a mindset which is beyond rational democratic debate, but that does not make it insignificant. It is an act of civil war inside the AGW movement.

    Without condoning what the cranks have done it is still possible to understand the frustration of green activists who take the scare stories at face value. Look at it from their point of view: Carbon trading is not doing the job it was designed to do and big non green businesses are milking the scheme for easy money.

    Worst of all the IPCC has a chairman, Pachauri, who owns a big slice of the Chicago and Indian Carbon Exchanges through his connections with TERI. In other words the man who leads the organisation that set up the failing carbon trading scheme is one of the businessmen who gains financially from every carbon transation that takes place.

    The green movement has a conflict at its heart. It feeds hotheads and now the hotheads are turning on the organisation that primed them to behave in an irrational and unstable way.

  77. Mike H. says:

    Squidly says:
    July 25, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Are you saying that these netweeds (crackers) borrowed time on networked computers to do this? The same process as SETI or the genome?

  78. Enneagram says:

    So, the Green Church is now divided in two groups, the gnostics, the true believers in Gaia and the agnostics, those who only care for the formal/political side of the issue, the ones with a more practical vision, who will collect the alms while selling indulgences.
    Delicious!

  79. Enneagram says:

    You should know this: Do you know, or even imagine, how much these nice guys have offered native amazon indians for each forest hectare, which according to their sacred “gospel” can capture 5,500 tons of sinful “carbon”?
    Just US$3 per hectare!….and because of these 3 bucks, which, thanks to a generous “market spread” would transform into at least US$125,000.-, 35 policemen died more than one year ago:
    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/jun/07/violence-deepens-in-peru/
    Natives were cheated that their lands were going to be sold to foreigners and they killed disarmed and captive policemen. Foreign representatives of NGO´s were seen at the scene. (If land continues in the hands of natives is nobody´s land and it is exploited for timber with no replantation whatsoever). Obviously NGO´s want the “stato quo”. Lovely!, isn´t it?

  80. J.Hansford says:

    Oh dear diddums, th’ Ecofascists are fighting among themselves. tch, tch.

    … What’s the bet that before long they’ll be blowing each other up and assassinating one another….. and the media will blame us poor bemused bluddy skeptics who are standing on the sidelines armed only with facts.

    Perhaps I’m being a pessimist. But I put nothing past the media or the eco nuts anymore.

  81. Yarmy says:

    “We apologize for the inconveniency…”

    Or inconvenience as it’s known in English.
    It amuses me that both sceptics and greens agree that emission trading schemes of all stripes are a waste of time and money. It seems only the politicians like them, probably because it creates the illusion that you’re doing something when you’re not really doing anything.

  82. Dr Watson says:

    Steve says:
    July 25, 2010 at 2:14 am

    “So, lets look at the evidence. There’s seems to be a rash of bad schoolboy-error grammar errors in the hacker’s text, especially with an inability to correctly spell “its”, i.e. the possessive of it.”

    “…”

    “Now let’s look at Anthony’s text introducing the hack:
    “the European Climate Exchange (ECX), had it’s main page hacked””

    “Hummmmm. Watson, what do you make of it?”

    Well, Steve, it is evident to me that you are more Inspector Lestrade than Sherlock Holmes, and there is no doubt in my mind that Holmes would be decidedly unimpressed by your rush to draw attention to someone else’s minor lapse in grammar while exposing in your comment your own rather obvious shortcomings in this area. For example, how about what should be (even for a schoolboy) the glaringly obvious error in “There’s seems to be …”? Or how about the multiple errors in “… a rash of bad schoolboy-error grammar errors …”? This latter example not only has errors of punctuation and redundancy, it also uses a noun, i.e.,”grammar”, in lieu of the required adjectival form, i.e., “grammatic” or “grammatical”. The tortured phrasing, moreover, is obviously the result of your over egging the verbal pudding in order to try to maximize your snarky insult to Anthony.

    On this evidence, if asked to deduce your own educational attainments, I would think that Holmes might well quip: “Elementary, my dear Watson”.

  83. Gail Combs says:

    rbateman says:
    July 25, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Gail Combs says:
    July 25, 2010 at 10:20 am

    They (real Greens) are starting to realize that they have thumbed a bad hitchhike.
    They are starting to get that they will be among the first to be tossed under the Bus, should Cap & Trade succeed, up front or by bureaucratic fiat.
    ________________________________________________
    The Green (watermelons) need to read:

    Attacks on Intelligentsia:

    “In the years immediately following their accession to power in 1917, the Bolsheviks took measures to prevent challenges to their new regime, beginning with eliminating political opposition….
    In 1919, he [Lenin] began mass arrests of professors and scientists who had been Kadets, and deported Kadets, Socialist Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, and Nationalists. The Bolshevik leadership sought rapidly to purge Russia of past leaders in order to build the future on a clean slate….”

    Unfortunately they never read history and if they do they do not think it applies to THEM.

  84. pyeatte says:

    While hacking is generally bad, it seems it is the best way to find out what the wackos are up to. Oh well…

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