Told ya so…IPCC to retract claim on Himalayan Glacier Melt – Pachauri's "arrogance" claim backfires

WUWT first reported on this issue on 11/11/2009 and again on 12/22/2009,with

Pachauri claims Indian scientific position “arrogant”

The Himalayas. The IPCC had warned that Himalayan glaciers were receding faster than in any other part of the world and could “disappear altogether by 2035 if not sooner”. Photograph: Wikimedia commons

The head of the IPCC Dr. Rajenda Pachauri had said: India was ‘arrogant’ to deny global warming link to melting glaciers.From the Guardian article:

Two years ago, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the UN agency which evaluates the risk from global warming, warned the glaciers were receding faster than in any other part of the world and could “disappear altogether by 2035 if not sooner”.

Today Ramesh denied any such risk existed: “There is no conclusive scientific evidence to link global warming with what is happening in the Himalayan glaciers.” The minister added although some glaciers are receding they were doing so at a rate that was not “historically alarming”.

However, Rajendra Pachauri, the chairman of the IPCC, told the Guardian: “We have a very clear idea of what is happening. I don’t know why the minister is supporting this unsubstantiated research. It is an extremely arrogant statement.”

We also reported on the finding of Texas state climatologist  John Nielsen-Gammon

Texas State Climatologist: “IPCC AR4 was flat out wrong” – relied on flawed WWF report

Now who looks arrogant?

Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC Chairman

It’s now taken almost a month for the Times to catch up to this issue, and now it has made MSM news. Highlights in excerpts below are mine.

The Times, January 17, 2010

World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown

Jonathan Leake and Chris Hastings

A WARNING that climate change will melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 is likely to be retracted after a series of scientific blunders by the United Nations body that issued it.

Two years ago the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a benchmark report that was claimed to incorporate the latest and most detailed research into the impact of global warming. A central claim was the world’s glaciers were melting so fast that those in the Himalayas could vanish by 2035.

In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC’s 2007 report.

It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.

Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was “speculation” and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research. The IPCC was set up precisely to ensure that world leaders had the best possible scientific advice on climate change.

Professor Murari Lal, who oversaw the chapter on glaciers in the IPCC report, said he would recommend that the claim about glaciers be dropped: “If Hasnain says officially that he never asserted this, or that it is a wrong presumption, than I will recommend that the assertion about Himalayan glaciers be removed from future IPCC assessments.”

The IPCC’s reliance on Hasnain’s 1999 interview has been highlighted by Fred Pearce, the journalist who carried out the original interview for the New Scientist. Pearce said he rang Hasnain in India in 1999 after spotting his claims in an Indian magazine. Pearce said: “Hasnain told me then that he was bringing a report containing those numbers to Britain. The report had not been peer reviewed or formally published in a scientific journal and it had no formal status so I reported his work on that basis. Since then I have obtained a copy and it does not say what Hasnain said. In other words it does not mention 2035 as a date by which any Himalayan glaciers will melt. However, he did make clear that his comments related only to part of the Himalayan glaciers. not the whole massif.”

The New Scientist report was apparently forgotten until 2005 when WWF cited it in a report called An Overview of Glaciers, Glacier Retreat, and Subsequent Impacts in Nepal, India and China. The report credited Hasnain’s 1999 interview with the New Scientist. But it was a campaigning report rather than an academic paper so it was not subjected to any formal scientific review. Despite this it rapidly became a key source for the IPCC when Lal and his colleagues came to write the section on the Himalayas.

When finally published, the IPCC report did give its source as the WWF study but went further, suggesting the likelihood of the glaciers melting was “very high”. The IPCC defines this as having a probability of greater than 90%. The report read: “Glaciers in the Himalaya are receding faster than in any other part of the world and, if the present rate continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at the current rate.”

However, glaciologists find such figures inherently ludicrous, pointing out that most Himalayan glaciers are hundreds of feet thick and could not melt fast enough to vanish by 2035 unless there was a huge global temperature rise. The maximum rate of decline in thickness seen in glaciers at the moment is 2-3 feet a year and most are far lower.

Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, has previously dismissed criticism of the Himalayas claim as “voodoo science”. Last week the IPCC refused to comment so it has yet to explain how someone who admits to little expertise on glaciers was overseeing such a report. Perhaps its one consolation is that the blunder was spotted by climate scientists who quickly made it public.

Pearce said the IPCC’s reliance on the WWF was “immensely lazy” and the organisation need to explain itself or back up its prediction with another scientific source. Hasnain could not be reached for comment.

The revelation is the latest crack to appear in the scientific consensus over climate change. It follows the climate-gate scandal, where British scientists apparently tried to prevent other researchers from accessing key date. Last week another row broke out when the Met Office criticised suggestions that sea levels were likely to rise 1.9m by 2100, suggesting much lower increases were likely.

Read the full article here: World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown


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Jason F
January 17, 2010 4:17 pm

And the first card fell.

Ron DeWitt
January 17, 2010 4:25 pm

What is “WWF”? World Wildlife Federation? That would be an odd source.

rbateman
January 17, 2010 4:27 pm

Personally, my take is that India had something to say about this, and it might have something to do with ‘foreign bodies’ with designs on throttling India’s newfound productivity.
Voodoo Science? Mighty harsh words from the High Shaman of GAIA.
Where is the love?

Sean
January 17, 2010 4:30 pm

This is good news. Now if we could get the US Government to stop relying on WWF and the Sierra Club to set US energy policy we might make a little progress.

January 17, 2010 4:30 pm

Its not just the little cracks in the glaciers that are appearing.
Its the chasms in the IPCC that are more substantial.

PaulH
January 17, 2010 4:31 pm

Perhaps its one consolation is that the blunder was spotted by climate scientists who quickly made it public.
From:
http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/crumbling-pillars-climate-change
A number of scientists who backed the CO2 based AGW theory are now suffering from buyer’s remorse. According to atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh, “many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly, without having their professional careers ruined.”
What’s the sound of backing out quietly? ;->
Paul

January 17, 2010 4:32 pm

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people…
because nicer people are not rooting about, looking for a sellable excuse to enslave the world.

al
January 17, 2010 4:39 pm

Read this today – the funniest bit:
“Professor Murari Lal, who oversaw the chapter on glaciers in the IPCC report…”
then,
“Lal himself admits he knows little about glaciers. “I am not an expert on glaciers.and I have not visited the region so I have to rely on credible published research. “

Glenn
January 17, 2010 4:40 pm

“Professor Murari Lal, who oversaw the chapter on glaciers in the IPCC report, said he would recommend that the claim about glaciers be dropped”
Here’s the IPCC report, linked from the Times article:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch10s10-6-2.html
“WWF 2005”, “Hasnain, 2002” ??
I’d recommend Professor Lal be relieved of his duties and return to writing scripts for newspaper cartoons.

John F. Hultquist
January 17, 2010 4:43 pm

Does anyone want to bet against the possibility that the WWF and similar alarmists camps will be ‘unavailable for comment” over the next couple of weeks?
And I thought it was decided not to show Pachauri’s photo on a site that had young and impressionable viewers!

LeoR
January 17, 2010 4:46 pm

The institute that Pauchauri receives enumeration from, has a share in a lucrative €3 million EU research project called “High Noon”, aimed at assessing the effects of the Himalayan glaciers retreat, caused by climate change.
Now if that isn’t incentive to find and espouse any data, regardless of the source, to support shrinking glaciers, I don’t know what is. It is a huge conflict of interest, which interestingly enough does not contravene any Conflict Of Interest Guidelines for IPCC committee members, because there are no Conflict Of Interest Guidelines for the IPCC committee members. How convenient.

Glenn
January 17, 2010 4:47 pm

Apparently Hasnain is an experienced and well known glaciologist:
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Hasnain_Syed_518063942.aspx

P Walker
January 17, 2010 4:50 pm

” Who looks arrogant ? ” Sorry folks , that’s not arrogant , that’s flat out ugly .

January 17, 2010 4:53 pm

Yes, an absurd claim, but it is TRUE. Right here in the IPCC report.
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch10s10-6-2.html
It is incredible that the IPCC quotes a WWF report, but they do, doesn’t that stand for World Wresting Federation?

Sharon
January 17, 2010 4:55 pm

And how many more frozen skeletons will emerge from the “Cabinet of Dr. Pauchauri”?? (Bonus points for anyone who knows that reference!) About as many as lie atop the Himalayas? Or lots, lots more?

Jeff C.
January 17, 2010 5:00 pm

The IPCC should have relied on the other WWF – the World Wrestling Federation. They have more credibility.

Anticlimactic
January 17, 2010 5:05 pm

The same article is reported in these three papers :
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Himalayan-melting-by-2035-Scientists-just-assumed-so/articleshow/5459848.cms
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/united-nations-blunder-on-glaciers-exposed/story-e6frg6n6-1225820614171
All three articles seem to have the same base story, and I think all three titles are owned by Murdoch. Is the stance of the Murdoch empire turning against AGW?

MichaelC58
January 17, 2010 5:07 pm

Never mind ‘arrogance’ or “I told you so’. Rajendra Pachauri must be forced to resign and the IPCC revamped, if not dissolved.
When the Chairman of such influential body as the IPCC oversees a gravely misleading mistake in AR4, then fails to investigate it when pointed out, instead attacking the source of the new information, and has known conflicts of interest to boot, he has clearly failed any test of competence and integrity and must be forced to resign.
If a police chief or even a government minister showed such contempt for due process, he would be removed. That Pachauri remains in his position, indicates the low level of honesty, competence and heights of hypocrisy deemed acceptable at the UN. Pachauri must resign.

jaypan
January 17, 2010 5:09 pm

Glenn, thank you. Here it goes:
“The Hindukush-Himalayan-Tibetan glaciers are the water towers of Asia,” says Prof. Syed Iqbal Hasnain of the Energy Research Institute, who has been studying the melting of the Himalayan glaciers for several years.
Looking ahead, the prospects seem to be getting worse rather than better, according to Hasnain. “Scientists have projected a 43 percent decrease in the glacial area on an average by 2070 and a 75 percent decrease in the glacial area by the end of the 21st century at the current rate of global warming,” says Hasnain.
At the current rate of global warming … beside there is a huge gap between “disappeared by 2035” and “43 percent decrease by 2070”, this simple forward-calculating of something happening today for another 100 years is the worst possible way of forecasting.
If I continue drinking as I did last night, I will not survive the next 20 years … something at this level.
Interesting to learn how the IPCC works and what many politicians swallow easily.
Not funny.

GGM
January 17, 2010 5:10 pm

And considering his arrogant, un-scientific statements and actions on this issue – Why hasn’t he been sacked ? His behaviour was totally unacceptable for a scientist, and there is no excuse for him not being sacked for his behaviour.

Anticlimactic
January 17, 2010 5:12 pm

LeoR (16:46:29) :
“The institute that Pauchauri receives enumeration from, has a share in a lucrative €3 million EU research project called “High Noon”, aimed at assessing the effects of the Himalayan glaciers retreat, caused by climate change.”
What has the money been spent on so far – obviously not research.
The EU could be asking for it’s money back!

Glenn
January 17, 2010 5:13 pm

nofreewind (16:53:35) :
“It is incredible that the IPCC quotes a WWF report, but they do, doesn’t that stand for World Wresting Federation?”
World Wildlife Fund.
http://www.worldwildlife.org/who/media/press/2005/item4512.html
Here’s the report
http://assets.panda.org/downloads/himalayaglaciersreport2005.pdf.
“As discussed in the thematic introduction to this regional status review, there is particular concern at the alarming rate of retreat of Himalayan glaciers. In 1999, a report by the Working Group on Himalayan Glaciology (WGHG) of the International Commission for Snow and Ice (ICSI) stated: “glaciers in the Himalayas are receding faster than in any other part of the world and, if the present rate continues, the livelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 is very high”

bubbanewbie
January 17, 2010 5:14 pm

nofreewind (16:53:35) :
It is incredible that the IPCC quotes a WWF report, but they do, doesn’t that stand for World Wresting Federation?
WWF lost the court case with WWF!
It is now World Wrestling Entertainment. It must be this type of clout the IPCC is looking for.

Patrick Davis
January 17, 2010 5:15 pm

I really wish more stories like this are covered by the MSM in Australia before the Federal Govn’t tries to ram it’s ETS through the Senate in February.
So many people have been had, hook, line and sinker, by the perpeTRAITORS of AGW/ACC.

Sordnay
January 17, 2010 5:18 pm

OT remove if you find it not apropiated
I would like your opinion about this mail http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/1/FOIA/mail/0880476729.txt
(note: on eastangliaemails this email only contains Tom’s answer, i find it also interesting the document they endorsed (might be the begining of the climate politics epoch?), and btw why it’s not full on eastangliaemails?)

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