Steve McIntyre writes on Climate Audit:
Fox News is running a one-hour special on climate tonight at 9 p.m. [6PM PST]
(which is being re-aired on Wednesday, I think.)
I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I was interviewed in Toronto by Fox News when they were in Toronto for the Munk Debates (Dec 1) – Nigel Lawson and Bjorn Lomborg v George Monbiot and Elizabeth May (Green Party of Canada leader). It’s my understanding that they will be using some of this footage in one of the segments of the program tonight.
They were extremely well prepared for the interview to say the least, even being acquainted with as small a nuance of the debate as the Starbucks Hypothesis. I suspect that I’m going to look pretty weary in the interview – I was in the process of going through the Climategate Letters, which are discourging even for third party readers.
I think that the producers are trying to make the show more nuanced than the usual effort in this field (on either side). Not an easy task.
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For those who don’t know what the “Starbucks Hypothesis” is:
“Can a scientist have a cup of Starbucks coffee in the morning, head to the mountains and do tree ring sampling, and be back home in time for dinner”?
It was created in response to some scientists excuses that they don’t have the time or resources to update tree ring records or to take additional samples of some Colorado and California trees. The premise of the hypothesis being that such USA sampling expeditions are easily within driving distance of civilization in USA today, represented by Starbucks.
Steve demonstrates the proof of the Starbucks hypothesis here where he does his own sampling expedition, coffee in hand.
It appears some scientists are just barn sour.
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“It appears some scientists are just barn sour.”
Honestly, I kinda think those scientists are just more interested in expensive trips to exotic locales. Kinda like the classic high maintenance, gold-digging, b****y girlfriend.
OT Looks like the Telegraph has the IPCC head in their sites:
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/11932
Will definitely catch the show today now that I know McIntyre will be on it.
Black socks and shorts!?!
Uh-hhhh.
Steve, really now.
I’m surprised Starbucks didn’t call security.
It will be good see ClimateGate evolve in the media beyond just talking about “Mike’s Nature trick” and Ben Santer’s threats.
I really hope Steve has learned from the past interviews and is a lot more aggressive this time.
Here is something That Jeff Id over on the Air Vent found and deserves wide distribution. Douglas and Christy have come out and plainly stated that the Team was engaging in a conspiracy and lay their case out in the American Thinker. They give you the background and uses the Emails to link it all together. It is just like Steve McIntyre’s putting the “trick” email into context.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/a_climatology_conspiracy.html
Why bother with the measurement, just go to Starbucks get the coffee and estimate the tree rings. Maybe there is a tree in the parking lot for authenticity. We know the answer so why quibble about the details? Good to hear Steve is out educating the world, only Fox seems to be interested.
Actually “as small a nuance of the debate as the Starbucks Hypothesis” was not as small as you suggest, for it was what got a close friend of mine to take down his blinders, regarding to listening to a “denier.” Before the Starbucks episode he would have nothing to do with McIntyre, but the Starbucks episode convinced him that no one with that kind of sense of humor could be all bad.
I am writing to Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Governor General Michaelle Jean to nominate Steve McIntyre for the Order of Canada. All you Canadian citizens out there are invited to do the same. For the service to the world in general, he should also be nominated for a Nobel (but I doubt that he’d accept).
Remember people, statistically out of all the major TV news outlets FOX News is clearly to the right side of the mean. The overwhelming consensus is it’s biased conservatively. And on that, the science is settled. If you think they are fair and balanced you are obviously a denier. 🙂
‘Starbuck hypothesis’ – omigawd!
Next, those climate ‘scientists’ will have the excuse that it was raining … or too hot … too cold … or in any case too much weather going on, and too much ‘Nature’, to do their samplings.
Wimps.
TerryBixler (10:11:17) :
Starbucks was very important – IIRC, in response to claims that getting cores from Bristlecones Pines required serious planning and execution, Steve claimed he could start at Starbucks, head into the mountains, core the trees, and make it back in time for dinner.
Let me go check for a link….
Hi folks. First great work and a sincere thanks. Next: I read the Saloman (sp) piece from the FP and I was surprised that he was surprised at the Wikpedia problems. Since the FP purports to cover the finacial world I would have thought they would be aware of the on-going battle of Patrick Byrne (CEO of Overstock.com) and his “project” at deepcapture.com.
Byrne and some investigators/journalists he has hired detail the wiki abuse you showcase about climate change, only they are focused on financial fraud and in particular “naked short selling”.
You will probably not be surprised to learn that they have encountered the identical pattern of posting manipulation to try and “convince” civilians that the crime occuring right before their eyes is not really happening.
There’s more than enough material to keep you busy for a day or two. Hope you find it helpful, brothers in arms and all.
I apologize for being off topic here but was unable to access the tips page.
Merry Christmas!
“Honestly, I kinda think those scientists are just more interested in expensive trips to exotic locales. “
I think it is more the allure of being one of the most important men in the world. Imagine the feeling of “saving the world” in spite of all the nay-saying dummies. And when you realize that these guys are working mainly with statistics and computers and know damn little about either one — the trill of people looking up to you would be even greater.
Of course, your mileage may vary.
Alert level raised to 4 at Mayon volcano in the Philippines. Explosive eruption expected within days. More here.
This eruption is expected to be much different than the last eruption of Mayon which was more of a longer, quieter eruption. This one is expected to be explosive.
Oops botched the link.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/18/steve-mcintyres-iccc09-presentation-with-notes/ has a presentation from ICCC-09 with a lot of dendro results.
http://climateaudit.org/2007/07/22/pikes-peak says in part
Last year, I satirized this with good cause. UCAR world headquarters are in Boulder, Colorado, where UCAR fronted the IPCC Working Group 1 secretariat. NOAA has important operations in Colorado – the Chairman of IPCC Working Group 1 and the director of the WG1 TSU were both NOAA employees located in Colorado. The University of Colorado and Colorado State University all have substantial climate research programs. So there’s no shortage of climate scientists in Colorado. Despite Mann’s protestations, it seemed quite plausible to me that a climate scientist could update these collections without even having to skip a morning latte at Starbucks.
It’s quite possible that one can glimpse Schweingruber’s site off to the side of the road just before treeline is reached. So an enterprising dendrochronologist interested in updating the 1983 series could perhaps hitch a ride up with one of the Hill Climb teams. Alternatively, the dendrochronologist could join in the run up and down Pike’s Peak which takes place annually. Or he could take the cog railway or he could even just drive up the road. Two of my sisters have been up Pike’s Peak, as has my grandfather (about 80 years ago). So it shouldn’t be all that hard for a UCAR climate scientist to update the Schweingruber Engelmann spruce chronology on Pike’s Peak, notwithstanding Mann’s imprecations to the contrary.
http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2007/10/al-gore-in-deadly-peril-of-nasty.html linked to http://climateaudit.org/2007/10/12/a-little-secret/ which says in part (my bolding, see the CA page for further links):
Don’t you think that someone on the Team might have been a little curious as to what bristlecone ring widths have done during the past 25 years? For this, we have the classic excuse of Michael Mann and the Team for not updating bristlecone and proxy records is that it’s not practical within the limited climate budgets:
While paleoclimatologists are attempting to update many important proxy records to the present, this is a costly, and labor-intensive activity, often requiring expensive field campaigns that involve traveling with heavy equipment to difficult-to-reach locations (such as high-elevation or remote polar sites). For historical reasons, many of the important records were obtained in the 1970s and 1980s and have yet to be updated.
OT: Rex Murphy the CBC journo that did the excellent op-ed on ‘climategate’ on the CBC National is covering ‘Copenhagen’ today on his ‘Cross Country Checkup’
radio call in show, online stream here….
http://www.cbc.ca/checkup/
Sundays at 1:00 p.m. PT, 2:00 p.m. MT, 3:00 p.m. CT, 4:00 p.m. ET, 5:00 p.m. AT and 5:30 p.m. NT on CBC Radio One
…..he usually has several people he interviews as well as taking calls over the 3hrs.
I would guess he’ll address climategate.
I am looking forward to this interview. I think that FOX, having been put under pressure by the President’s ire, are making an effort to show the world that they are THE most legitimate news outlet out there. We are actually lucky that the Pres. lashed out at them. This predisposes FOX to look at ALL angles of an issue! (And having been shown that there IS indeed a bias out there, FOX seems to understand the complaints of being shut out made by many in the climate sciences….)
Way to go Pres. Obama. In being glaringly obvious in your prejudices, you may have just re-awoken the American Press!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6847227/Questions-over-business-deals-of-UN-climate-change-guru-Dr-Rajendra-Pachauri.html
MUST READ.
John M (10:00:22) :
“Black socks and shorts!?!
Uh-hhhh.
Steve, really now.
I’m surprised Starbucks didn’t call security.”
Yeah, I know what you mean.
The lengths some people will go to to try to prove that they are not funded on huge budgets by ‘big oil’.
😉
Is that 9pm in the uk? or elsewere in the world?
crosspatch (10:59:48) :
“Alert level raised to 4 at Mayon volcano in the Philippines. Explosive eruption expected within days.”
If it goes up I wonder who will be the first to attribute the blame to AGWg – sorry – ‘climate change’.
Thanks boballab (10:07:53), and thank you for the link to American Thinker, http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/a_climatology_conspiracy.ht
This is pretty incredible. A conspiracy between the Team and the Journal editor to distort the process to give the Team the upper edge in attempting to discredit the Douglas work. Interesting sequence of emails. Whoever put the CRU email files together knew where the smoking guns were.
Also interesting that Revkin was involved. I wonder if he bothered to contact Douglas about their paper? Not likely.
Must be quite a documentary – 1 hr long and a couple of weeks to put it together. I don’t think the warmists are going to like it. I have a feeling FOX is going to do a lot of EXPOSING (I hope!).