CBS evening news finally, after over two weeks, gets around to covering Climategate. Most interestingly, they have a short clip of an interview with Kevin Trenberth. Dr. Trenberth, as many recall said this in one of the CRU emails:
The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.
Look at what Dr. Trenberth adds now:
h/t to WUWT reader LiamIam
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and again the MSM fail to properly explain the “hide the decline” comment !
this excellent article does – apologies for the re-post
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understanding_climategates_hid.html
Can somebody write down exactly what Trenberth said. The second part, after the cherry-picking, was indecipherable.
Trenberth accuses us of Cherry picking!
Read this and start vometing:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/sudan_despot_embraces_climate.html
… in my country, Portugal, except for a couple references in minor newspaper web sites nothing happens. Of course, the blogs are on fire.
Cherry-picking? The hypocrisy never ends. I can’t wait till the worthless “value-added” data is released.
It is impossible to win a debate when your opponent changes the argument such that you arguing about a natural process of Nature, with implicit understanding that the process is controlled by man.
What happened to the argument that man-made CO2 emissions are not causing any global warming or climate change?
I was pleased that the reporter at least raised some important concerns, she was wrong however that India and China have announced “cuts” to their emissions. They have only announced non-binding limits on their future emissions increases.
At least they moreorless explained the trick to hide the decline.
DIY ocean heating
by Mark Imisides
December 6, 2009
Scarcely a day goes by without us being warned of coastal inundation by rising seas due to global warming.
Carbon dioxide, we are told, traps heat that has been irradiated by the oceans, and this warms the oceans and melts the polar ice caps. While this seems a plausible proposition at first glance, when one actually examines it closely a major flaw emerges.
In a nutshell, water takes a lot of energy to heat up, and air doesn’t contain much. In fact, on a volume/volume basis, the ratio of heat capacities is about 3300 to 1. This means that to heat 1 litre of water by 1˚C it would take 3300 litres of air that was 2˚C hotter, or 1 litre of air that was about 3300˚C hotter!
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2009/12/diy-ocean-heating
Interesting that Trenberth didn’t utter a word that detracted or changed anything from his quoted statement on “lack of warming.” His only modification seems to be the lame “out of context” excuse.
That was not particularly enlightening.
Those poor folks who watch nothing but CBS have suddenly found themselves in the middle of a story they know nothing about! How confusing for them.
For a CBS report, it was remarkably well-balanced.
One quibble, she said “China and India have agreed to cut their emissions”. What they’ve agreed to cut is their carbon instensity (emissions/economic output). A good thing to do, and frankly something that all technologically advancing countries will do, Copenhagen or no Copenhagen. (Even the evil-old George Bush had US carbon intensity fall during his administration).
China and India’s emissions will continue to go up at an aggressive rate.
You know this entire “taken out of context” excuse is getting old.
These emails are not taken out of context and neither are the comments contained therein.
The emails stand on there own as prima facie evidence of fraud.
No spin by those involved can change that fact.
They just won`t give it up will.
Prepare for mass civil unrest when temp`s drop and food production is hit, why can`t these idiots admit they have gotten it wrong?
Interesting to say the least. Of course that was not the explanation he gave time but them again that explanation made the email worse because it clearly showed his bias of if the the instruments read cooling they must be wrong since that can’t happen.
“In one e-mail, he writes, “We can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it’s a travesty that we can’t.” Some climate-change deniers have heralded that line as proof that global warming is a hoax, but it refers, Trenberth says, to a problem with the observational instruments used to measure temperatures. “Our instruments couldn’t account for cooling in 2008,” Trenberth says. “So we need to figure out what’s wrong with our system of measurement. But that doesn’t undermine the fact that global warming is real.”
Our instruments couldn’t account for cooling in 2008. So we need to figure out what’s wrong with our system of measurement?
With that logic they only work when they show a rise in temp.
Seriously did these guys get their degrees out of a cracker jack box?
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1929071_1929070_1943516,00.html#ixzz0YvoytGJY
COPENHAGEN CLIMATE CHALLENGE CONFERENCE
http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/
Tom Harris: THE CHALLENGE “Leading climate experts challenge the UN to provide sound evidence for their catastrophic forecasts”
Wow. They asked the tough questions there. Professor Trenberth must be regretting that. /sarcoff
It looks like CBS is still well-behind the curve. It is worth noting that that the MSM keeps referring to the e-mails but has said nothing about the other documents that were leaked which may prove even more damning.
By the way, nice Google Ad regarding the Climategate Hoax. It never was about the science, was it?
The televisions will have to start referencing climategate with their Copenhagen pieces. Because almost everyone who has Internet access now knows about Climategate, and TV’s won’t make themselves silly. They don’t want to look silly for their viewers, as certainly almost all of us at WUWT agree they are!
They will start downplaying it at first, but they will get on the train. No doubt about it!
How can you not catch the train of the greatest scientific hoax since Galileo? They will catch it!
Ecotretas
More smoke and mirrors. Let’s hope the insanity of Copenhagen doesn’t degrade into a steamroller of groupthink…….Good to see the MSM is actually covering the issue though. Let’s make sure it doesn’t go away.
Sceptics in Wonderland
by Christopher Essex
December 6, 2009
The Wall Street Journal recently published an article by Daniel Henninger critical of scientists who allowed the culture of Climategate to develop in their professions.
Christopher Essex, a leading Canadian applied mathematician and award-winning author, has written to Henninger.
Dear Daniel
My friend Willie Soon passed on an article from your “Wonder Land” column. It’s very good. It is an angle that I have anticipated for a very long time.
Wonderland is certainly where I have been trapped for more than twenty years. But it is not nearly as nice as Alice’s version. Thoughts of the inquisition come to mind instead.
Many of we scientists have been ringing the alarm bells from the beginning on this. We have been telling everyone who would listen about who we were dealing with. We have known all along.
Climategate is no surprise at all to us. Evidence for this is in my book with Ross McKitrick from 2002, Taken by Storm. It won a $10,000 prize, and is now in a second edition. But few were listening. If my book had a title like Oh, my God, we are all going to die, I am sure that it would have been on the NYT bestseller list at once.
Even though I understand where you are coming from, I find it rings flat with me to have to face people asking where the scientists were when we were overcoming so many many obstacles to get a rare fair hearing. The scientists have been tied up and gagged in the back room. I hate that. We were there screaming our lungs out all along.
Damn it all, my friends Ross McKitrick and Steve McIntyre had to have a hearing before US congress to get that ridiculous hockey stick broken! It should have been a simple matter. The thing could hardly hold together under its own weight.
Ross and I had a whole chapter on the hockey stick in our book, long before that controversy came to light. We used similar techniques to compute the US GDP with tree rings back to the year 1000, and we got a lovely hockey stick.
I did not want in on the original hockey stick paper, because of my objections to the merits of the underlying physics, but I did comment on the drafts. In the second edition, there is an account of how the thing got broken by Ross and Steve.
That science needed to get settled in Congress should have got people’s attention right there that there was something seriously wrong.
Science is alive and well in the individual scientists who are not caught up in gaming the system for bigger grants. I call it small science. Many of them are doing very unfashionable things, and are happy to get no recognition for it.
That is where you can find the real scientists. That is where the future will be.
A milestone in this mess can be said to be when John Houghton of the IPCC said it was the IPCC’s job to “orchestrate” the views of science. Everything that has happened flows as an inevitable consequence of that.
Some important research fields have been “orchestrated” out of existence. Even before Climategate, I have been saying that we have set ourselves back a generation by taking the money from governments with so many strings attached.
Governments leaders wanted something where they could absolve themselves of the responsibility for making informed decisions. They would have to read science stuff otherwise. They ordered up a kind of unnatural scientist that would tell them precisely what they wanted to hear.
But they gave the puppeteers clubs to deal with those of us who remained true. And the perps of Climategate are what they got. All of my colleagues have had to endure these bullies and criminals for a very long time.
You should understand that (real) scientists have had to pay the heaviest price for the creation of these monsters for decades. And they were not created by us.
Best wishes,
Christopher
Christopher Essex is Professor and Associate Chair of the Department of Applied Mathematics at the University of Western Ontario.
Did he (trenberth) just say cherrypicking information and putting it out of context??? hahahahaha..
Isnt that just what the scientists are doing to show a globalwarming?
Why do the warmists always revert to the old argument that “the evidence is clear that the climate is warming”? The issue is not whether the climate is warming (or changing), it’ all about the mechanism (s) which drives this change. Deflecting the controversy to this diversion is politically effective, but it’s way off base.
Climategate capitalization is the perfect ticket for Congressional candidates to unseat the entrenched incumbent Congresscritters.
“Republican Senate candidate Carly Fiorina (above) has already jumped on the scandal as a way to attack Sen. Barbara Boxer, her liberal opponent in environmentally-friendly California.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30172.html