Wow, Australia’s parliament just imploded over discord due to emissions trading scheme being pushed by opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull (website here). Here’s the news from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation:
Pretty heavy stuff when Liberal MP’s resign rather than vote for a cap and trade scheme. The vote seems rather difficult now.
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Liberals in Australia are conservatives think of them slightly light republican.
Tradtionalists and a Party for business people.
Labor was originally a union movement but with the almost universal decline in union membership, they are a party of the left. The Greens who always vote with Labor are Australia’s hard left.
THE MUSIC HAS STOPPED FOR THE WARMISTS
Excellent news – makes me proud to be an Australian. I was just about to switch my vote to the other conservative (sic) party in Australia – the “Nationals”. (Actually I might yet – at least in the Senate.)
Unfortunately Australia will still probably get an ETS bill passed this year but these guys negotiated it to be a bit better (less worse) than it otherwise might have been before they resigned.
Good point Capn Jack – the “Liberal” party are a centre-right party, rather than truly conservative (hence my “sic” above) and in the main are not “small l” liberal; the name is confusing for non-Aussies.
The Rudd government is still trying to force the ETS through. Man I hope it fails, it will destroy this country.
I wouldn’t say they have resigned because of the recent ‘climategate’ events. There was deep party divide over the ETS before ‘climategate’ became public.
I havent seen the CRU emails/data leak mentioned in any media over here yet.
REPLY: It’s been all over the Herald Sun. And I didn’t mean to suggest they did resign over it, only the growing doubts. -A
Some commentary from Joanne Nova, most of which applies equally to the US and UK:
Journalists view world through a mirror: see things in reverse. Coming soon, is one of those In-the-Matrix moments when reality shifts for our journalists.
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/journalists-view-world-through-a-mirror-see-things-in-reverse/
The realization that the CO2 theory is fraudulent is spreading across the political spectrum, from right to left. Hard nosed realists first, ideologues last.
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/the-cliff-of-political-oblivion-laws-based-on-fraud/
Nor have I seen any mention of this unfolding email leak mention in any news broadcast in Australia. Its been 6 days now and not a word.
REPLY: You have not seen it in the Herald Sun? I’ve seen several articles there. Still I’ll take your word for it and I’m just leaving the title free of the suggestion and only the story line. – A
Michael and Greg,
it is all over Andrew Bolt’s Herald Sun articles, and his and Tim Blair’s blogs. There was a soft mention in the Brisbane Courier Mail and a better on in the Australian (national) newspaper hard copy.
They didn’t call it “climategate” though.
I saw it called “Climaquiddick” somewhere, because the Media will ignore and then hush it up. [A – please feel free to snip that last sentence if it’s outside comment policy.]
I am not sure, not being au fait with Australian politics or constitution.
From what I understood after the Senate rejected the bill the gov’t reintroduced it and should it fail again can call an election for both houses: I believe the last time that happened was under Gough Whitlam.
Now apparently, and again I am not sure Turnbull agreed with the gov’t to pass the revised bill effectually without a vote: and this gave the impression that the new bill would be waived through. I am not sure whether the defections mean that is now true and if it is not whether the bill can pass.
So could somebody from down under please explain. That means you DMS.
Kindest Regards
I thought it was only Andrew Bolt giving climategate some traction. Guess I havent been looking hard enough…
Bit of coverage and a Lateline Video link on ABC if any Aussie’s are interested;
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/24/2752223.htm
Emails in play- –
“I’ve received over the years many, many emails and phone calls,” he said.
“They have never been to the level that I’m receiving them at the moment.”
~Alby Schultz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“We are receiving thousands of emails from all over Australia from people who are outraged that the Government will implement and introduce a $120 billion tax with no possible environmental benefit.”
“The Australian temper about the ETS is white hot – they hate it,” he said.
~Senator Cory Bernadi
Most people here in Australia are unaware of the CRU hack and the questions it brings. I also have not seen any coverage at all on the televised media or any major coverage in the dailies. Thank goodness we have the internet. I just wish more people understood what the ETS really means, and the baseless science driving it
I emailed Baraby Joyce the link to the NZ Climategate thread with links to the Marble bar and Kalgoorlie adjustments.
about 2-3 hours ago
Hopefully the senate may toss it out .
Apologies for multiple comments.
Here’s the story from The Australian
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/hot-and-bothered/story-e6frg6z6-1225802504484
“Hot and bothered”
“CLIMATE change sceptics have pounced on the mass release by hackers of emails between climate scientists that appear to portray the scientists as fudgers and obfuscators of data and as plotters who would undermine their opponents’ work.”
also within the text
“Opposition Senate leader and Australia’s unofficial chief climate change sceptic Nick Minchin says the email scandal has strengthened a point he has long made.”
Opposition senate leader Nick Minchin is one who resigned today; I don’t think Anthony’s Climategate link is miles off.
Time for a real leader KEVIN ANDREWS to step up and oppose the global bullies of climate change, this Turnball guy is an ex banker, like the ones who are setting up the ETS
“Greg Cavanagh (23:49:46) :
Nor have I seen any mention of this unfolding email leak mention in any news broadcast in Australia. Its been 6 days now and not a word.
REPLY: You have not seen it in the Herald Sun? I’ve seen several articles there. Still I’ll take your word for it and I’m just leaving the title free of the suggestion and only the story line. – A”
Anthony, I thank you for your site and bringing these stories to our attention. Thankyou Al Gore for inventing the interenet 😉
But, here in Aus there has been very little coverage in the MSN and main news broadcasts. It has featured in “Technology” sections of the SMH for instance, but wasn’t up on their site for long on the front page. There also has been a little coverage in late TV programs like “DateLine”, but that is it.
In all, there’s no coverage of the hack/leak at the CRU. There will be no, or little, coverae of the NIWA event either.
The ruling elites in Aus are pro-AGW, with fingers in both ears, both eyes shut, and screaming “I can’t hear you! Blah blah blah blah…!”
Again, sorry for multiple comments.
a jones,
you’re pretty close. If a bill is rejected twice then the Government can call a “double dissolution” and all house and senate seats are vacant and up for election. (A bit like your mid terms not all seats are necessarily up at each election).
It does require a vote in the senate though and not a “wave through” (it has already passed the house by vote the second time). That second senate vote will be tomorrow (Friday) or Monday (remembering we’re a day ahead).
The Labor (left) govt will vote in favour, the National Party (conservative) will vote against, the Greens will vote against (strangely! but that’s because it isn’t “tough enough”) leaving this party above with the casting vote. As of yesterday I though they would vote in favour/favor (i.e. we’d get an ETS). Not so sure now, but I still don’t think these guys quite have the numbers. I think we’ll get it by a squeak, unfortunately, unless others follow these resignations and there’s another leadership spill (there was an unsuccessful one yesterday to remove the leader).
This is exciting stuff – shame so much rides on a few wavering votes.
Personally I love it – Turnbull is a “True Believer” and ex head of Goldman Sachs in Australia…
The sooner he and his adherance to a fraudulent idea are ousted the better.
Graeme from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
The Liberals (conservatives) yesterday had a party meeting and decided not to have a vote for leadership. Turnbull won 45-37. His problem is that indeed if the bill is rejected, it could trigger a dissolution of both houses and an early election. However, the Liberals would not win on current polling. They may have better numbers by next November when the election is due. He did manage to easily negotiate to have several ammendments which weaken the ETS. The Greens and Liberal right don’t like the ETS bill.
A sideline is that Turnbull is an ex-merchent banker, so would dearly love his mates (cronies) to have an ETS (cap-n-trade) so they can make lotsa money off the Aussie sheeple. He is also a republican in that he wants to be rid of the monarchy. Most of his party probably think he is a bit too left wing.
The prime minister Kevin Rudd, on the other hand, is an ex-diplomat. He is very boring and waffles a lot like most bureaucrats. It is widely believed he is an opportunist, not an idealist and just wants an ETS now to impress the UN, so he can fulfill his duel ambition of being let onto the UN security council, and one day being the head of the UN. Don’t let him, please, US voters.
Australians are treated to a daily diet of climate armageddon by the MSM, the television channel SBS one in particular. Congratulations to those politicians who quit in protest. They put their intellect and commonsense on the line and refused to go along with the complete airheads who lead them. While Turnbull is unfit for the job, it is just nauseating to watch that pious little prefect Krudd pontifificate on the weather and just about everything else that takes his fancy. I anticipate a public revolt if the ETS is ever implemented, a revolt which will consign all these moronic political warmists to Siberia.
The Democratic Party is the party of opression.
Thanx DMS.
I am in the UK by the way.
Exciting times indeed.
We shall see what we shall see.
Kindest Regards
The Australian Liberals are NOT a conservative party. They once were, a long time ago.
Today – if you look at their policies, they are almost identical to the US Democrats in policy and priciples.
Australian politics in general, is far to the left of the US politics.
The Liberals are a Centre-Left party, while Labour (the party in power in Aus) are an far-left/socialist party by US standards.
That`s even more important because now we have a centre-left party with people quiting over AGW.
Andrew Bolt’s presence is mostly his blog on the Herald Sun opinion section. Not much other sceptical view is included, but the paper is socially conservative and popular and can change very quickly. He had a large centre spread in todays paper paper.
The newspaper The Australian is a bit more intellectual and sometimes has sceptical views, but has a low circulation. The Age (or Sydney morning Herald) is dominated by left wing elitists, pompous school teachers and other radicals that can’t listen to any rational debate and they have their fingers in their ears.