As some WUWT readers may have learned from reading Climate Audit, an anonymous source deep within Hadley CRU has provided Steve McIntyre a copy of a data file he has been seeking but has had his FOI requests to Hadley seeking the same file, rebuked.
I’ve seen the data. As I posted last night on Climate Audit:
You know, not everyone in every organization believes in everything the organization does. This is why we have leaks in the White House and people like “Deep Throat” that provide evidential tidbits with guidance like “follow the money”.
Steve has shared this data and the source with me, as a way of verification, and I can vouch for both the validity of the data and of the source ip address. It truly comes from deep within the organization. – Anthony
While the CRU data file is not the most current, it is the most current one the mole could produce for us.
But most importantly this will not deter Steve in his FOI requests, he writes:
And by the way, just because I’ve got a version of the data doesn’t mean that I’m going to give up trying to get the data through FOI. Quite the opposite.
Indeed. Better to get it through the front door.
I mentioned to Steve this morning via email that in addition to verifying the source, I was able to come up with a photo of the “anonymous” mole in CRU. I’ve sent him a copy.
Stay tuned.
h/t to commenter John S. at Climate Audit for the “Deep Cool” moniker.
We have sources at EPA and now Hadcrut. These people, and they should be applauded, obviously feel their organization is up to no good. Like my father always told me , “do the right thing”. I’m glad that there are still people out there with a conscience.
REPLY: I don’t know that the source has a conscience, per se. “Impartiality” might be a better word. – Anthony
Ooh this just keeps getting better and better. I hope you’re taking notes for when they write the screenplay. It’ll make a great movie – working title ‘Deep Climate’ !
Whoo! This is getting HOT!
Well at least something may certainly sizzle this year, as the weather isn’t so far!
It’s a dead cert, Met Office predict very mild winter, “again”!
Well, I am certainly relieved that sanity has won out at some level of the government in the UK. I don’t think anyone wants to “prove” anything so much as there are questions people want to answer. For example, why the growing divergence between HadCRU and the satellite data?
I don’t think anyone is out to show the met office data or HadCRU to be “wrong”, they simply want to understand the different results. The satellite data are, I believe (correct me if I am wrong), openly available to anyone. Now the other data can be looked at and the cause of the difference be learned.
People will decide for themselves if one of the two are “incorrect”. For now it is what it is.
There is never a wrong time to do the right thing.
I praise the courage of individuals from within these organizations who have the integrity to stay true to their values and ethics.
They very well may firmly believe in AGW, but with a strong and overriding capacity to discern between right and wrong.
Moles are my new favourite species. May they proliferate!
Like being in a Le Carre spy novel…. This is so exciting!
Can it be determined from the data file how much the ‘official’ record is being altered?
You have my undivided attention.
Let’s lay off adding extra detail on this, such as “the latest version the person could get”
or that a photo from the web is available. That just narrows down the list of suspects for the leadership of those delinquent organizations, who will certainly retaliate ruthlessly against anyone who thwarts them.
Way to go guys!
OT but I get this message from McAfee: surfacestations.org
When we tested this site we found links to scala.com, which we found to be a distributor of downloads some people consider adware, spyware or other potentially unwanted programs.
Is this old news to you?
Reply: I see you are correct, but I can’t find source of the link, Anthony you should probably take a look. Scan the files for scala.com. I’m sure it is innocuous, but it is probably not necessary to put up a red flag like that. ~ charles the moderator
imapopulist (10:21:52) :
There is never a wrong time to do the right thing.
Amen to that.
Interesting word – “ConScience”:
[Conscience]
“Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin conscientia, from conscient-, consciens, present participle of conscire to be conscious, be conscious of guilt…”
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conscience
[Con]
“Abbreviation of Latin contra (“‘against’”)…
Verb
to con
1.(transitive, slang) To trick or defraud…
[Science]
“c.1300, “knowledge (of something) acquired by study,” also “a particular branch of knowledge,” from O.Fr. science, from L. scientia “knowledge,” from sciens (gen. scientis), prp. of scire “to know,” probably originally “to separate one thing from another, to distinguish,” related to scindere “to cut, divide,”…
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Science
Unfortunately, that thinking has been misdirected by people who feel they have the right, if not the obligation to the common good, to publicize secrets. Just because you don’t agree with a government policy or activity, doesn’t mean you’re allowed to unilaterally declassify sensitive national security information. The difference between whistle-blower and traitor had better be clear.
Skeptic Tank,
Taxpayers are being cheated and deceived by people on the public payroll. This isn’t sensitive national security information, this is the weather. How can the government make the weather a national security issue?
Unless… click
I applaud the mole. It means that there are those still in the “belly of the beast” who still believe in the scientific process.
If my Anti-AGW beliefs are to be proven wrong, it has to be with solid, unadulterated science. That’s what I expect and demand, and that’s what is damned short supply, recently.
Otherwise, though, this is way more fun that climate science is supposed to be.! 😀
@ur momisugly Skeptic Tank (10:58:52) :
Hellllloooo … we’re talking temperature data here … data that is in many respects driving huge policy decisions and driving our lives. We’re not talking about design specs for the next generation of ICBM’s. We’re talking about validation of the very data that we see and feel every day and that is beginning to affect every aspect of our lives.
My hat goes off to these “moles” and would encourage every attempt be made to protect these people and their integrity. To me, these people are heroes! Reminds me of the movie U-571 and things like that.
Smokey, I didn’t mean to imply that climate data is sensitive or should be kept secret. To the contrary, this type of data, for the purpose of scientific validation, should be available upon request or even without request. Admittedly, my post was off-topic.
Anthony, O/T, but John Slayton and I have positively identified the volunteer observer at the last unsurveyed site in Colorado (Durango). The site is at a private residence, and I was unable to contact them prior to surveying the Telluride, Hermit and Del Norte locations. On John’s last road trip, he actually stopped at a neighbor’s house in the area, but they had no current knowledge of where the site had been moved to. (A very short move, it turns out.) John has spoken directly with the observer, and she is willing to allow the site survey. BUT-John is on another road trip in Idaho surveying more sites and he lives in CA, and I am 7-8 hours away from Durango. (Durango is in the SW corner of the state, and I am just north of Denver.)
We are hoping that another volunteer who is much closer to Durango can finish up this last Colorado location. I had noticed a commenter mentioning on WUWT that they lived in the 4 Corners area, which is much closer to the site. Perhaps they can step up. In any case, if someone is willing to do the last site survey, we will provide the necessary contact information.
If anyone is in a position to survey this last Colorado site, please contact Anthony, and have him share my contact info. (Anthony, e-mail and/or phone info is fine.)
Finally, a big thanks to John, and all of the other volunteers who are helping to complete the surface stations survey. Speaking for myself, the surveys I did were fascinating. Seeing the sites first hand, up close, and using the knowledge I have gained from lurking here on WUWT, I was immediately able to see significant deficiencies in 2 out of the 3 sites I surveyed. Really, it’s one thing to read or look at pictures of a deficient site, but it has a much larger impact seeing it in person. If you’ve been wanting to do a survey for the project, but haven’t been able to do so for one reason or another, better act now or your chance to participate will be gone. You’ll be glad you did.
Cross posted to “Tips and Notes”
Dan Murphy
Excellent – as a UK citizen (but not subject) I am pleased that there’s at least one publically funded scientist prepared to release this data for independent review. But it is still a disgrace that the FOI requests were denied. It seems the BBC also has someone prepared to think independently – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8167209.stm – kudos to Steven Sackur.
Skeptic Tank,
Sorry. Maybe I misunderstood your comment.
Skeptic Tank (10:58:52) :
“Unfortunately, that thinking has been misdirected by people who feel they have the right, if not the obligation to the common good, to publicize secrets. Just because you don’t agree with a government policy or activity, doesn’t mean you’re allowed to unilaterally declassify sensitive national security information. ”
I totally agree with you. But all we are talking about here are temperature records. Thermometer readings. Raw data. Made by (most probably) individuals with no agenda other than to record how cold it got or how hot it got on any given day. Raw data -that’s all we want.
But if Steve McIntyre finds that this raw data has been in any way doctored…
crosspatch (10:17:26) :
“Well, I am certainly relieved that sanity has won out at some level of the government in the UK.”
Don’t blink; you’ll miss it.
Wow, you need to pop over to ClimateAudit.org and read Steve’s post on the matter. I cannot believe such attempts are being made to keep temperature data a secret.
I smell lots of rats here … cannot wait until analysis of the data can be completed. This is a best selling spy novel in the making!