From the Huffington Post, Dr. Hansen is more than a little upset over the failure of G-8 to produce any meaningful CO2 cuts. Once again he tries to take the “representing himself as a private citizen” tact while at the same time citing his NASA credentials.
I call BS on that. His opinion would not be sought if he were not a NASA climate scientist. He cannot separate himself from NASA and climate science and the policy springing from it any more that President Obama could write an essay now as a private citizen. Further, Jim, you started it in 1988 with your address before congress. Don’t insult our intelligence by saying you have been acting as a private citizen either then or now.
That being said, we do agree on one thing: “the Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity” – Anthony Watts
The world’s major industrial nations and emerging powers failed to agree Wednesday on significant cuts in heat-trapping gases by 2050, unraveling an effort to build a global consensus to fight climate change, according to people following the talks.
Of course, emission targets in 2050 have limited practical meaning — present leaders will be dead or doddering by then — so these differences may be patched up. The important point is that other nations are unlikely to make real concessions on emissions if the United States is not addressing the climate matter seriously.
With a workable climate bill in his pocket, President Obama might have been able to begin building that global consensus in Italy. Instead, it looks as if the delegates from other nations may have done what 219 U.S. House members who voted up Waxman-Markey last month did not: critically read the 1,400-page American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 and deduce that it’s no more fit to rescue our climate than a V-2 rocket was to land a man on the moon.
I share that conclusion, and have explained why to members of Congress before and will again at a Capitol Hill briefing on July 13. Science has exposed the climate threat and revealed this inconvenient truth: If we burn even half of Earth’s remaining fossil fuels we will destroy the planet as humanity knows it. The added emissions of heat-trapping carbon dioxide will set our Earth irreversibly onto a course toward an ice-free state, a course that will initiate a chain reaction of irreversible and catastrophic climate changes.
The concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere now stands at 387 parts per million, the highest level in 600,000 years and more than 100 ppm higher than the amount at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Burning just the oil and gas sitting in known fields will drive atmospheric CO2 well over 400 ppm and ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back. But if we cut off the largest source of carbon dioxide, coal, we have a chance to bring CO2 back to 350 ppm and still lower through agricultural and forestry practices that increase carbon storage in trees and soil.
The essential step, then, is to phase out coal emissions over the next two decades. And to declare off limits artificial high-carbon fuels such as tar sands and shale while moving to phase out dependence on conventional petroleum as well.
This requires nothing less than an energy revolution based on efficiency and carbon-free energy sources. Alas, we won’t get there with the Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity hatched in Washington after energetic insemination by special interests.
For all its “green” aura, Waxman-Markey locks in fossil fuel business-as-usual and garlands it with a Ponzi-like “cap-and-trade” scheme. Here are a few of the bill’s egregious flaws:
- It guts the Clean Air Act, removing EPA’s ability to regulate CO2 emissions from power plants.
- It sets meager targets — 2020 emissions are to be a paltry 13% less than this year’s level — and sabotages even these by permitting fictitious “offsets,” by which other nations are paid to preserve forests – while logging and food production will simply move elsewhere to meet market demand.
- Its cap-and-trade system, reports former U.S. Undersecretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs Robert Shapiro, “has no provisions to prevent insider trading by utilities and energy companies or a financial meltdown from speculators trading frantically in the permits and their derivatives.”
- It fails to set predictable prices for carbon, without which, Shapiro notes, “businesses and households won’t be able to calculate whether developing and using less carbon-intensive energy and technologies makes economic sense,” thus ensuring that millions of carbon-critical decisions fall short.
There is an alternative, of course, and that is a carbon fee, applied at the source (mine or port of entry) that rises continually. I prefer the “fee-and-dividend” version of this approach in which all revenues are returned to the public on an equal, per capita basis, so those with below-average carbon footprints come out ahead.
A carbon fee-and-dividend would be an economic stimulus and boon for the public. By the time the fee reached the equivalent of $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton of CO2) the rebate in the United States would be $2000-3000 per adult or $6000-9000 for a family with two children.
Fee-and-dividend would work hand-in-glove with new building, appliance, and vehicle efficiency standards. A rising carbon fee is the best enforcement mechanism for building standards, and it provides an incentive to move to ever higher energy efficiencies and carbon-free energy sources. As engineering and cultural tipping points are reached, the phase-over to post-fossil energy sources will accelerate. Tar sands and shale would be dead and there would be no need to drill Earth’s pristine extremes for the last drops of oil.
Some leaders of big environmental organizations have said I’m naïve to posit an alternative to cap-and-trade, and have suggested I stick to climate modeling. Let’s pass a bill, any bill, now and improve it later, they say. The real naïveté is their belief that they, and not the fossil-fuel interests, are driving the legislative process.
The fact is that the climate course set by Waxman-Markey is a disaster course. Their bill is an astoundingly inefficient way to get a tiny reduction of emissions. It’s less than worthless, because it will delay by at least a decade starting on a path that is fundamentally sound from the standpoints of both economics and climate preservation.
Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, who died this week, suffered for 40 years — as did our country — from his failure to turn back from a failed policy. As grave as the blunders of the Vietnam War were, the consequences of a failed climate policy will be more severe by orders of magnitude.
With the Senate debate over climate now beginning, there is still time to turn back from cap-and-trade and toward fee-and-dividend. We need to start now. Without political leadership creating a truly viable policy like a carbon fee, not only won’t we get meaningful climate legislation through the Senate, we won’t be able to create the concerted approach we need globally to prevent catastrophic climate change.
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Are NASA scientists supposed to be doing this on the taxpayers dime? Or even their own? Isn’t this what you would call a conflict of interest.
oh I love it! The AGW supporters have formed a circular firing squad over Waxman Markey! Oh, I hope, I hope, I hope this helps to destroy it!
Of course I oppose Smoot-Hawl..er, I mean Waxman/Malarkey for completely different reasons, namely that the entire thing is a pork laden bill of goods based on nothing but moonshine and unicorn dreams – but I will cheer ANYTHING that helps abort that monstrosity before it is born!!!
“ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back”
Whoa – Scary Stuff Jim
Hyperpole alert
Reading some of the comments on Hansen’s blog post makes me want to vomit…
But wait there’s more:
“Science has exposed the climate threat and revealed this inconvenient truth: If we burn even half of Earth’s remaining fossil fuels we will destroy the planet as humanity knows it.”
My reponse:
There’s Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow
There’s Klingons on the starboard bow, scrape em off Jim
Of course, emission targets in 2050 have limited practical meaning — present leaders will be dead or doddering by then
Unlike Hansen, who’s doddering today.
So, if for all the wrong reasons, the right thing does happen I can be no less happy ?
Yes, I’ll take it !
Dr. Hansen grabs his Global Warming rifle and then . . . Ready, Fire, Aim.
So the G8 says they’ll agree to limit temperature increases to a 2 degree maximum gain by 2050.
Perfect political smokescreen during a period of extended global cooling.
“A carbon fee-and-dividend would be an economic stimulus and boon for the public. By the time the fee reached the equivalent of $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton of CO2) the rebate in the United States would be $2000-3000 per adult or $6000-9000 for a family with two children.”
I’ll bet Hansen forwards every chain letter he gets. Did I mention that I think the man needs to be seen by a mental health professional?
Some leaders of big environmental organizations are at least right in one thing: James Hansen is very naïve.
How can this person be in charge of GISStemp surely its a complete conflict of interest?
They should send Hansen for a mental evaluation. He is starting to lose it.
Crazy old senator Robert C. Byrd has come out against the climate bill.
This bill will likely fail in the Senate since like Byrd (who is defending his coal interest) many other Senators will have similar concerns.
Rev Algore is facing a church split. Orthodox warmistas like hansen want more punishment and pain for the adversaries. Higher rates for indulgences and what else does Hansen want? Greenpeace is angry. The bill is postponed and Joe romm plays cool. says it is good to be postponed.
Thank you Sir Anthony for calling bull sheet on his nonsense.
I love this global warming but an not sure why it is so much colder now than it was in the 80’s and 90’s. I look at the global temperatures but they do not show that we in Canada are having frosts in July. If I have to listen to one more Canadian member of the government talk about global warming….I may throw up. It is not global. I remember getting a sunburn one April, now I cannot get out on the back porch in April, the snow will not let the door open. Do these guys not go outside?
“He cannot separate himself from NASA” Perhaps he can’t, but firing him would do the trick.
An equivalent fee of $1/gal would be $2-3K per person or $6-9k per family of 4? Really. Waxman/Markey will only cost $1400 or so. That makes sense, the House bill doesn’t generate enough revenue, so it is bad. Take people’s money away and they won’t pollute as much. At least after their bodies decay.
A good thread title, Hansen is totally unhinged.
When I was in high school we were taught the composition of air. CO2 concentration was reckoned to be so small that it was, for all practical purposes, zero. Nowadays even a smidgen of CO2 will heat us up and two smidgens will boil our livers.
Can’t someone design a simple experiment with a constant long wave radition source and air with different concentrations of CO2 in a closed atmosphere to see if adding CO2 actually does warm the air due to a greenhouse effect? Has this already been done?
Changing the CO2 concentration will, of course, change the concentrations of the remaining gases so in theory one could use fancy mixture experimental designs. But, why bother because in the real atmosphere, increasing the proportion of CO2 will decrease the proportion of the other gases.
“A devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps”? Let’s see. Most of that 600 thousand years was filled with ice ages, during which the ‘icecaps’ extended over much of the world we now inhabit. Before then, were there any icecaps at all? What do we need them for?
What about 6 million years, or 60 million years, or 600 million years ago? There were entire epochs with much higher CO2, during which life on Earth thrived. Is this man completely ignorant of the geological and paleontological history of the planet?
Perhaps Dr. Hansen is really a ‘young Earther’, but instead of 6 thousand years, his young Earth began 600,000 years ago. . .
It really is hard to fathom how a man who calls himself a scientist can remain so blissfully ignorant—or is it that, for the sake of an agenda, he is willing to pretend to ignorance, assuming his audience knows no better?
/Mr Lynn
Hansen is without peer when it comes to Alarmist rhetoric.
“… we will destroy the planet as humanity knows it.”
The poor man is hysterical with dread. I feel sorry for him. Raging paranoia is not science — it’s a psycho-pathological condition. He should seek treatment before the men in white coats come to take him away to the Funny Farm.
I hope the leaking ship of AGW will sink before it reaches the harbor.
The US Senate has the power to torpedo it so I just hope for the best.
If the Climate Bill is destroyed on the Hill, the Copenhagen Meeting will be doomed.
The continuing economic crises a fierce winter and a lot of blogging will do the rest.
Or do you think I am too optimistic?
Keep calling those Senators.
Someone please hand James Hansen a big microphone to talk into as often as possible. Suggesting a gargantuan redistibutionist tax to fight the “global warming” nobody’s been experiencing for the past decade will set far more independents against it, and removing a lot of the Rube Goldberg-isms and exemptions from the current climate bill will make it far more obvious just how much damage a major new energy tax will do to regional economies, completely entrenching more state delegations against such a tax.
As it is, only 22 state delegations in the House had a majority of their representatives vote for the “monstrous absurdity”, even when it was crammed full of bribes. Remove those, and make it crystal clear to everyone just how much higher everything will cost due to the new tax, and watch politicians dive for cover as fast as their pork-laden bellies can carry them. No amount of “arm-twisting” is going to convince them to commit political suicide.
You know what’s really going to be comedy? Watching Joe Romm go after James Hansen because he’s shooting holes in the Titanic (after it’s already started taking on water)…
The numbers disturb me. The amount of CO2 has increased by 1/3 since the start of the industrial revolution? Big deal! And after this 33% increase it will only take a further increase of about 3% from 387 to 400 to doom the earth? How can anyone take this stuff seriously. Its no wonder they have now switched from limiting CO2 to limiting temperature increase as they clutch feebly for something, anything suitably terrifying to frighten people into giving up their liberty and embracing the green police.
If the planet is “recognizable” in 2050, I, for one, will be extremely disappointed.
It is time for Dr. Hansen to resign and run for a major political office, such as the Senate, or as a natural born citizen of the USA he could run for President. I feel ill at ease when jokes are made about scientists; about politicians – not so much.
“The added emissions of heat-trapping carbon dioxide will set our Earth irreversibly onto a course toward an ice-free state, a course that will initiate a chain reaction of irreversible and catastrophic climate changes.”
What a hoot!
Oh, well. Hopefully he’ll help kill Taxman-Malarkey. With enemies like this, who needs friends? 🙂