IBD Earth Day Editorial: The Late Great Planet Girth

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Earth Day: We are now told that obesity causes global warming. Maybe that’s why belief in human-caused climate change is at an all-time low. That and the fact that Antarctic ice is growing, not melting.

Over the past decade, as the earth cooled, the sun grew quiet and snow fell in Malibu, the disconnect between the computer models of Al Gore and the warm-mongers grew more apparent than ever. So much so that they started talking about “climate change” instead of “global warming.”

That way, everything from drought to floods was covered, even record cold winters and snowfalls.

Even that’s not working on an ever more skeptical public, according to a recent Rasmussen Reports national survey showing that just one of three voters — a new low — now believe that global warming is caused by human activity.

Nearly half (48%) believe the cause is naturally occurring planetary trends. Just a year ago, only 34% said warming was a natural phenomenon, while 47% said human activity was placing the planet at risk of disastrous climate change. That’s a huge shift.

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Interestingly, a growing number of Americans (58%) say we need to build more nuclear power plants, with 63% saying that finding additional sources of energy is more important than reducing the amount of energy Americans currently consume. They recognize that a growing economy requires more energy, not less, and that nukes are a pollution-free way of getting it.

Overweight people eat more steaks and burgers, we are told, and that means more cows and more barnyard emissions. They walk less and drive more, usually to fast-food emporiums, where every additional condiment brings us closer to planetary doom. The answer presumably would be fewer people, or at least more vegetarians.

Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison says sea ice losses in West Antarctica over the past 30 years have been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of East Antarctica. “Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally,” Allison says.

So enjoy your burger and fries, and chill out. It’s the warm-mongers who are endangering us with their whoppers. And Happy Earth Day.

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122 thoughts on “IBD Earth Day Editorial: The Late Great Planet Girth

  1. Consider these three little factoids:

    1. Most large animals are herbivores. Becoming a vegan is no guarantee of anything except lower blood iron levels.
    2. A vegan also needs to eat more volume of food to meet protein and calcium requirements. It is increased protein and calcium intake, as well as sanitation, that has increased life spans considerably, the consequences of which are lower birth and death rates.
    3. Those beloved polar bears and whales eat more meat than most carnivores. Should we force them to become vegan and have them pay some kind of penalty?

  2. This is just another argument for universal health care and more control of our lives. If they can “prove” obesity contributes to AGW then they can claim the authority to keep everyone healthy, not for the individuals sake, but to save the world from AGW. Perhaps Demoliton Man was not just a fun movie afterall.

  3. Here where I work in NorCal we are celebrating ED (no, not THAT ED!) by having a huge BBQ where we will not only consume mass quantities of food but also expel mass quantities of CO2 in a variety of ways such as from the BBQ, opening cans of soda, people driving their vehicles from the parking lot up the hill to where the BBQ will be held and yakkity-yakkin’ with our fellow workers as well as having a couple of speakers yammer on about whatever it is they will yammer on about – all of us exhaling CO2 in the process. Should be fun….it is a nice day for it.

  4. But vegetarians do fart more and contribute disproportionally to that other darling of the HGW mongers, methane.

    Today I read for the first time in a leading UK newspaper about sea ice at Antartica:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/5200229/Antarctic-ice-cover-increasing-due-to-hole-in-ozone-layer.html

    Guess what: it has been growing for at least 3 decades, but that was due to the ozone hole. When that’s closed GW will catch up and all the ice will disappear. According to the pundits, that. It’s becoming increasingly funny to see them contorting in all kind of bends to still be able to warn about the coming doomsday.

    Sometimes I wonder: will they have enough hats to eat on the day when even they will recognize how daft they are?

  5. Tom in Florida — Perhaps Demoliton Man was not just a fun movie afterall.

    Indeed. It was half of a Nostradamus-like glimpse into the future, with the other half being “Idiocracy.” Have a Joy-Joy day.

  6. A bit offtopic, but I registered on Facebook a few weeks ago, and I’m only member of the “Not Evil Just Wrong”-group. The film!

    I’ve got a mail this morning about a screening in Washington tonight (where the film makers will appear). It’s 6.30 PM and there’s a mail address where those Facebook members (tip: sign up!) who wants to go and see the movie for free can get a ticket.

    I should not give further details about it. Sign up the facebook group “NOT EVIL JUST WRONG – The True cost of Global Warming Hysteria”.

    I mean anyone can be member in that Faebook group so I hope it’s okay to reveal this.

  7. The tide has been turning in the press alright but we have the national w. service buying up old household thermometers and giving out new ones probably graduated in 100’s of a degree F and Al Gore pressing to get rid of the Celsius scale to make the numbers bigger – all signs of a “sauve qui peut” (save what (who) you can) mentality. Anyway we will probably see articles like the following popping up everywhere:

    http://lifestyle.sympatico.msn.ca/Years+of+Drought/Living/GivingBack/WV_years_of_drought.htm?isfa=1

    I’ve worked in both East and West Africa over the years and when its the dry season in savannah country it looks like it was never green and when the rains come, it greens overnight. The first picture of a Kenyan village has greenery that tells me they weren’t “dry” when the picture was taken. The warmers didn’t choose their season very well for this shot. It looks like a normal remote village.

    Anthony :
    perhaps a post topic would be timely on the IPY. Why haven’t we been getting triumphant news from the IPY about the end of the world. If we had had a couple of warm arctic winters we would never have heard the end of them.

  8. We are being told that green is universal.I don’t know about the rest of you but I was NEVER asked if I believe in the green movement .How did planting A garden become going green.My father in law has had one for at least 22 years,and he only has one lung due to cancer,and he’s never said anything about going green.We just enjoy home growm food and if it is universal why haven’t all of the other countries jumped on the bandwagon. Again as I have said before this nothing more than socialism and this id just the beginning.

  9. Random thought,
    Not only do fat people contribute more than their share of CO2 to climate change but so do people that live in cooler climates. A typical house in Phoenix contributes ~900lbs of CO2 per year vs. ~1300lbs for a house in the Northeast.

    http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_02ac

    Clearly, people in northern climes should be paying a greater share of the tax burden needed to “fix” the planet. Obese people in northern cities even more taxes!
    Now, Detroit is widely regarded as the fattest city in America.

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/5137.php

    And, everyone knows that the automobiles produced by Detroit are wrecking the ecosystem. Connect the dots! How much CO2 could be prevented from entering the atmosphere by simply abandoning Detroit?
    Mr. Gore where are you on this important initiative?

  10. On the subject of the goofy research concluding that obesity contributes to AGW, I think that as the brighter researchers in the AGW party start to have doubts, the field will more and more be left up to science clowns.

  11. Personally, I refer to this as “hypocrite day”. I get to mock people who are completely clueless, just like “earth hour” participants.

    On a tangentially related note, I STILL mock those who buy brand new vehicles and tell me my 22 year old car is harmful to the environment. Apparently these people believe cars are grown in a sustainable way in mountain meadows. Perhaps they don’t realize the massive emissions involved in actually building a vehicle, any vehicle, and certainly can’t comprehend that a 22 year old car can be properly maintained, getting excellent mileage with low emissions.

    Nope, I get to watch the parade of SUVs going to the local parks to celebrate how “other people” need to clean up their impact on the planet. It’s always someone else, right?

  12. again….doom sells…good news doesnt. I still like the link to the site that was on here a while ago with links to all the different articles about stuf caused by global warming….there were a couple hundred articles on there…good stuff.

  13. Ed beat me to it. I was just reading this Reuters article: “Growing Antarctic sea ice linked to damaged ozone” — “An expansion of sea ice around Antarctica is linked to a hole in the ozone layer high in the atmosphere, according to a study on Tuesday that helps clear up a mystery about global warming.” Amazing how even cooling supports warming, as long as it can be attributed to bad Westerners. Do they even care about credibility any more? Are they just willing to say anything for the cameras?

  14. the disconnect between the computer models of Al Gore

    There are computer models of Al Gore? Are they like Pocket God on my iTouch? ;)

  15. I expect that AGW’ers will keep on bleating about runaway global warming until they are finally proved right. When the Sun becomes a Red Giant.

    I don’t have problems with recycling and keeping the environment clean and liveable. However all this CO2 is a pollutant and the cause of global warming has me really annoyed -to put it mildly-. I was watching a nice show on a public channel about the future of motor cars and, would you believe it, global warming is mentioned. That sort of thing just makes me want to go out and buy a Challenger R/T with a 5Liter V8 Hemi.

    There is also an incessant AGW message on the Daily Planet science show on the Discovery Channel. I used to like that show in the past too. I hate it now. Any wonder that our kids are becoming paranoid about the future? Think of the children and let them enjoy their childhood while they still can.

  16. Let’s rewrite that 1970s song “Short People”.

    “Fat people ain’t got no reason to live!”

    But remember. It’s always darkest before dawn.
    The Global Warmers have really jumped the shark.

  17. I hate to say it but it doesn’t matter a whit as to what the facts are or what half the people think; the administration and their appointees are going to shove this agenda down our throats or up some other orifice.

  18. Slightly OT but the whole obesity/health/cost-to-society drive is falling apart. The excellent Junk Food Science blog recently had this essay concerning obesity vs. health problems: http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2009/04/does-it-really-matter-how-your-numbers.html (Hmmm. don’t know how to make that “click and go”).

    Gradually the environmentalists are being proved wrong about everything (have they ever been right?) and shown to be simply another group of leftists power-grabbers.

  19. And here I thought overweight people were carbon sinks!

    Has anybody thought of combatting AGW by putting people into pods and having them consume large amounts of food? When they die, their bodies are reprocessed into fertilizer for plants.

    This will pull enormous amounts of carbon from the atmosphere and sequester it.

  20. I am not sure if this is relevant to the thread but I was amazed to discover this letter http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/markey_and_barton_letter.pdf on http://nzclimatescience.net/ from
    The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley. He thoroughly carries out a demolition job on Hansen/Karl/NOAA/GISS/MANN etc. I wonder if his appearance in front of the committee and this subsequent submission will even be considered by U.S. House of Representatives Committee on
    energy and Commerce. Maybe they are beyond reason or rational argument. I notice that a certain Anthony Watts is even quoted as having contributed a graph. I wonder if any of this site’s US contributors have any idea of the significance of such a submission and if eventually reason will prevail?

  21. I have a thermostat in my house. It has a lot of numbers on it – 68, 69, 70!! … I don’t know how high it goes or how low it goes. How am I supposed to know where to set it? Well, the Government is going to tell me and relieve me of the decision. One less thing for me to worry about.

    Have you ever gone to Lowes or Home Depot to get a light bulb? They have a wall of light bulbs!! How am I supposed to know which one to use? Well, the Government will relieve me of that decision too. Life will be simpler. I can’t take the pressure of exercising my personal liberties. For all the money I send to the Government, it’s the least they can do.

  22. “Overweight people eat more steaks and burgers, we are told, and that means more cows and more barnyard emissions. ”

    If the cows are the problem, shouldn’t we eat em faster?

  23. Do I get enough carbon credits due to being thin that I can have a freebie flight to the US snowfields next winter?

  24. Magnus A: You should make it clear that you are talking about the other Washington. There’s no screening tonight in DC, as far as I have been able to tell.

  25. What would Earth Day without the appropriate “Gore Effect”? Yes, I acknowledge that it is only our local weather and not global climate. Environment Canada says that the normal high for today in London, Ontario, Canada is 14 degrees C and the forecast high is 7 degrees C. The present temperature at noon is 4 degrees C. How do the AGW acolytes maintain their faith when nature keeps kneeing them in the ‘nads.

  26. Yes the ice in Antarctica is increasing but this is because of the hole in the ozone layer and once the hole in the ozone layer is repaired the ice will melt rapidly.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/5200229/Antarctic-ice-cover-increasing-due-to-hole-in-ozone-layer.html

    “But the team from British Antarctic Survey (BAS) and Nasa warned the ozone hole was only delaying the impact of greenhouse gases on the climate of the White Continent.

    If ozone levels recover as expected over the next 100 years, thanks to the international ban on damaging CFCs, weather patterns will return to normal and Antarctic sea ice will shrink rapidly, they said.

    Professor John Turner of BAS, lead author of the paper published in the Geophysical Research Letters journal, said the results underlined the complexity of climate change.” End of Extract

    So all togefer (sic) Theres a hole in my bucket la lala. la lla la

    Can anyone help?
    If the Arctic is navigable to 81.5 Latitude what is the area of sea ice left.

  27. Ed, re your post about sea ice at Antartica:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/5200229/Antarctic-ice-cover-increasing-due-to-hole-in-ozone-layer.html

    The above requires that phasing out of nasty man-made CFCs will close the Ozone hole, but will it?
    You should check out the following link.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/25/new-theory-predicts-the-largest-ozone-hole-over-antarctica-will-occur-this-month/

    Don’t you just love these ecoMENTALISTs

  28. “Overweight people eat more steaks and burgers, we are told, and that means more cows and more barnyard emissions
    But they have enough fat as an energy reservoir for the cold times to come…

  29. Aron (07:37:16):

    Consider these three little factoids:

    1. Most large animals are herbivores. Becoming a vegan is no guarantee of anything except lower blood iron levels.
    2. A vegan also needs to eat more volume of food to meet protein and calcium requirements. It is increased protein and calcium intake, as well as sanitation, that has increased life spans considerably, the consequences of which are lower birth and death rates.
    3. Those beloved polar bears and whales eat more meat than most carnivores. Should we force them to become vegan and have them pay some kind of penalty?

    True… Besides, vegans substitute meat proteins with soya; however, soya can cause serious health problems; for example, soya contains glycosphingolipids which could reduce the risk of acquiring intestinal cancer; nevertheless, the problems with soya start here because glycosphingolipids cause Glaucher disease, which consists of important damages on liver, spleen, blood tissue, skeletal system and nervous system; the latter reduces life expectancies to only two years once the disease is acquired. Soya can cause breast cancer because it contains two phytoestrogens, genistein and daidzein, which are used as mimetic sexual hormones in cases of hormone therapy during menopause, instead of synthetic or animal estrogens.

  30. Eric Gallant (08:10:48) :

    Clearly, people in northern climes should be paying a greater share of the tax burden needed to “fix” the planet. Obese people in northern cities even more taxes!

    Oh, they will be. They are also largely in the AGW camp. When reality hits their pocketbooks in the form of doubled fuel costs for the winter, we’ll quickly see a drastic change in support for all the tax hikes “for the rich.”

    Mark

  31. Adolfo Giurfa (09:44:50) :

    But they have enough fat as an energy reservoir for the cold times to come…

    Oooh, there’s my excuse. Now if I can just get the wife to accept this concept…

    Mark

  32. And on this day full of earth, let us not forget those fearless fools – I mean adventurers – in the great white expanse of the Arctic. I mean, of course, the Catlin team.

    It looks like someone just noticed that their distance to the pole was all wrong – yesterday it was 551.16 km, today, without moving an inch, it’s now 583.38 km. Combined with the distance traveled of 341.14 km, it now totals 924.52 km; pretty close to the original distance of 928.52 km from their start point of 81° 40′ ((90° – 81.68°) * 111.6km/°lat = 928.5 km).

    By the time they rescue the team well short of its goal they may have learned at least one important lesson – it’s not nice to fool around with Mother Nature. House rules apply and it’s her house – and the deck’s stacked in her favor.

  33. Anthony… The news on obesity as cause of global warming is not new. It’s a recycled story. If I’m not wrong it was released in June 2008 because I touched the topic in my radio broadcast demonstrating the absurdity of this argument.

    Nasif

  34. BTW What about all those pudgy polar bears? They’re two or three times the size of most chubby humans. Will the warmers have them moved to re-education camps where they will be taught to give up meat eating and learn to dine on the vegetation native to the region?

  35. Ed Zuiderwijk (07:49:39) : re: the link to the ice and ozone report

    On a thread here not too long ago

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=%22ozone+depletion%22

    a paper was mentioned that claims there are enough naturally occurring halogens (breakdown induces ozone loss) in the atmosphere and that their demise via cosmic rays triggers the waxing and waning of the ozone hole. So while the ozone hole may become smaller it will then again become larger — if someone is counting on it to close following the CFC scam, don’t bet on it. Original paper is here but is limited to just the science involved. There are space considerations on these “letters” and the topic is limited to the science, so no interpretation of the implications.

    Correlation between Cosmic Rays and Ozone Depletion

    http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~qblu/Lu-2009PRL.pdf

  36. Kath (08:45:22) :
    “…makes me want to go out and buy a Challenger R/T with a 5Liter V8 Hemi.”

    Go for it. Buzz is that Chrysler is about to be liquidated.

  37. bushy (09:01:29) :

    I read somewhere that all of humankind would fit into a cube 1 km square – fat folk and all. What impact?

    One kilometer cubed?
    I’ve been trying for some time now to calculate the space all humans would take up if each were given a square foot to stand on. Fat people can hold tiny babies.)
    I always give up cuz I’m trying to do it while driving or otherwise occupied. Then I forget the numbers. Anyway I’ll bet you could put them all in Los Angeles or smaller. If you stacked them up in a cube……. each being five feet tall maybe and abut 100#, considering the number of children in the world. What is the volume of the average human?
    Just for some perspective as gnats on the rear of an elephant, someone do the math OK?

  38. Note that the Obama group is hitting Capital Hill pretty hard today. Big push for Cap&Trade and Obama has a very pleasant, breezy day here in Iowa to talk about wind powder and alternative energy. Lots of big names in Government talking AGW. The only point of contention appears to be who gets to spend the money.

    It’s time to crank up those card, letters, and e-mails to your representatives!

  39. So what do you do on urth day other than get dirty. I went out shopping for some coal; which I figure is all natural, and better to use than fake anthropogenic “charcoal”. If particulates are bad for you, why would you press them into eggs with a little epoxy or some other binder; when Mother Nature already supplies coal in chunks that are nice and shiny (well if you buy the good anthracite coal, instead of that lousy western low sulphur lignite).

    Somebody should explain to the EPA that when you say “low sulphur”, you really intended to mean low sulphur per joule of energy; not per ton of material. Limestone is “low sulphur”, but the BTUs per ton is simply awful.

    So I actually found some coal, which I am going to use to partially incinerate some dead cow slabs tonight; well we are going to do some New Zealand lamb too, which has more fat; and also a better aroma when you add some mint sauce, and green peas, along with roast potatoes. My neighbors will be able to enjoy my cookout from their yards; so they won’t have to light their Propane engines to warm up their gardenbergers.

    Why don’t we make our food out of rocks like Mother Nature does, then we wouldn’t have to replace all those nice native California weeds with edible plants or feed them to domestic bovines. How cool would that be; then we can just use all our spare ground to grow urth’s natural wonder plant; hemp; which is good for almost anything, including tying up your horse outside the saloon.

    Yes we should have an urth day every month; and a talk like a pirate day too. Did you know that some place back east they are having a talk like Shakespeare day; evidently they don’t understand plain English, so they have to find some English that nobody can understand.

    George

  40. Aron (07:37:16):

    Consider these three little factoids:

    1. Most large animals are herbivores. Becoming a vegan is no guarantee of anything except lower blood iron levels.
    2. A vegan also needs to eat more volume of food to meet protein and calcium requirements. It is increased protein and calcium intake, as well as sanitation, that has increased life spans considerably, the consequences of which are lower birth and death rates.
    3. Those beloved polar bears and whales eat more meat than most carnivores. Should we force them to become vegan and have them pay some kind of penalty?

    True… Besides, vegans substitute meat proteins with soya; however, soya can cause serious health problems; for example, soya contains glycosphingolipids which could reduce the risk of acquiring intestinal cancer; nevertheless, the problems with soya start here because glycosphingolipids cause Glaucher disease, which consists of important damages on liver, spleen, blood tissue, skeletal system and nervous system; the latter reduces life expectancies to only two years once the disease is acquired. Soya can cause breast cancer because it contains two phytoestrogens, genistein and daidzein, which are used as mimetic sexual hormones in cases of hormone therapy during menopause, instead of synthetic or animal estrogens.

    Aron, I have asked you three times to handle this information “CONFIDENTIAL”
    under the Secrecy Act!

  41. WakeUpMaggy (10:41:32) :

    It would be easier to use the average density and weight of people. You can then get a volume.

  42. WakeUpMaggy (10:41:32),

    The total volume of humanity is really quite small. A back of the envelope calculation:

    Assume 6ft x 2ft x 1.5ft per person. [There are bigger people, but there are a lot of smaller people, too, and children.] This is a generous 18 cubic feet per average earthling.

    Multiplying by a population of 6.5 billion = 117 billion cubic feet of humanity.

    Next, a cubic mile is 5280 cubed: 5280′ x 5280′ x 5280′ cubic feet = 147.2 billion cubic feet. So all the people on Earth could easily fit within one cubic mile. With wiggle room.

  43. “David S (10:09:48) :
    BTW What about all those pudgy polar bears? They’re two or three times the size of most chubby humans. Will the warmers have them moved to re-education camps where they will be taught to give up meat eating and learn to dine on the vegetation native to the region?”

    Here’s a polar bear having a salad!

    http://www.pbase.com/mortenmojo/image/75705904

  44. When I was attending the University of Wyoming, about 1965, there was a lot of news about eastern power plants and industries buying and using Wyoming low sulfur coal. Being an engineering student and curious, I looked up the sulfur content per BTU for eastern and Wyoming coals. Turned out that the sulfur content of eastern coal was three times that for Wyoming coal, but you had to burn three times as much Wyoming coal for the same heat.

    More recently, my wife and I took a trip to Guatemala where we saw lots of green jobs. They involved tilling fields by hand to raise food and stripping the surrounding wooded areas of fuel with which to cook and heat. The wage is about $ 2.50 per day. I can hardly wait to see that catch on here.

  45. I’m confused.

    Cold Play (09:30:24) :

    Yes the ice in Antarctica is increasing but this is because of the hole in the ozone layer and once the hole in the ozone layer is repaired the ice will melt rapidly.

    “But the team from British Antarctic Survey (BAS) and Nasa warned the ozone hole was only delaying the impact of greenhouse gases on the climate of the White Continent.

    If ozone levels recover as expected over the next 100 years, thanks to the international ban on damaging CFCs, weather patterns will return to normal and Antarctic sea ice will shrink rapidly, they said.

    1. Ice absorbs UV, ,which
    2. Increases the internal energy (i.e. raises the temperature), and
    3. Ozone “blocks” UV, so that
    4. Closing the ozone hole will reduce the UV reaching the ice, which will
    5. Cause it to melt, because
    6. It isn’t absorbing as much energy, so
    7. It’s staying colder.

    What have I missed?

  46. You guys are so polite. I, on the other hand, am an asshole. And as such, celebrating differently.
    [snip bridge too far ~ charles the moderator]

  47. My vote for Quote of the week:
    M White (11:20:18) :

    Aren’t fat people just giant carbon sinks?

  48. Another piece of the jigsaw falls into place in the greater picture of the quickly asembling new world order, an order that seeks to impose a soviet command economy on the world.

    The state, the central command authority governs from a centralised authoritarian monolith, the state that demands obedience from the masses, you eat what they tell you and in the quantities they decide you need and you work where they so decide and order
    They decide what your consumer requirements are and what you can buy and where you can travel, the state will ration your energy usage and how much you pay. Any who rebel are labelled deniers/anti social elements/greedy&selfish reactionary subversives.

    This can no longer be viewed as some kind of paranoid reds under the bed type stuff can it? These AGW/NWO believers wish to control every aspect of your life from what you eat to where you can travel.
    AGW/MMCC is a cloak used to cover for groups who wish for the world to enter a new global USSR Mk11.
    In reality the AGW/MMCC believers only have guilt,hatred,jelousy and fear to offer when you strip away the cloak of pious holier than thou preaching, as always history repeats itself doesn it? the inate urge of certain groups to rule over the mass of humanity.
    You have to give credit to the wolf for fooling the sheepdog though, the AGW/MMCC/NWO believers chose a very cunning disguise to sell their particular brand of an authoritarian Marxian utopian workers collective, I mean how do you go about persuading a free and prosperous people to willingly give up their wealth and hard won freedom voluntarliy and even eagerly to don the shackles of poverty and serfdom to a marxist state monolith?

    Its said that there is a sucker born every minute? the AGW belivers have certainly tapped into that source alraight.

  49. “I can hardly wait to see that catch on here.”

    If our young and the rest of the world are in a snit about materialistic capitalism now, just wait a few more years for the full effect of the green economy to take hold.

    We are in for a persistent global downturn; I know the Prez will be unhappy with my tax return–I’m asking for half the wages withheld to be returned.

  50. Ray (11:01:48) :

    WakeUpMaggy (10:41:32) :

    It would be easier to use the average density and weight of people. You can then get a volume.
    Smokey (11:02:05) :

    So what is the average size and weight?
    I’m guessing wordwide about 5′, 100# including children.

    WakeUpMaggy (10:41:32),
    The total volume of humanity is really quite small. A back of the envelope calculation:
    Assume 6ft x 2ft x 1.5ft per person. [There are bigger people, but there are a lot of smaller people, too, and children.] This is a generous 18 cubic feet per average earthling.

    Whoa! Very generous! A cubic foot of water is 62#. Say I’m average and weigh twice that. We are about 86% water I think. I forget specific gravity for peple. So two to three cubic feet an average human could pour themselves into if they weren’t full of hot air?

  51. “An inspiring Yahoo text!”

    It’s a reprint from “IBD,” which stands for “Investor’s Business Daily.”

  52. Hah – someone hit my trigger…

    I AM buying a Challenger with the 5.7L Hemi… did my test drives on the weekend and monday. It’s going to be TorRed with the Classic package (fancy badges and stripes, shiny chrome wheels, and 6-speed manual transmission: 376 HP).

    Unfortunately, delivery time is going to be horrid. Dealers are selling for thousands over retail and have either base model or overloaded. I might be looking at 6 months! I sure hope the company lasts long enough.

  53. “John W. (11:21:40) :

    I’m confused.

    1. Ice absorbs UV, ,which
    2. Increases the internal energy (i.e. raises the temperature), and
    3. Ozone “blocks” UV, so that
    4. Closing the ozone hole will reduce the UV reaching the ice, which will
    5. Cause it to melt, because
    6. It isn’t absorbing as much energy, so
    7. It’s staying colder.

    What have I missed?”

    Phew!

    I thought it was just me. LOL

    DaveE.

  54. Ed Zuiderwijk (07:49:39)

    Thanks for pointing out the article. I get the Telegraph but have only just read it.

    Let me get this right. In the article they claim that the ozone hole over the Antartic is causing more ice to form. However, if I remember correctly, there is also concern about the hole in the Ozone layer over the Artic causing a rise in skin cancer, but the Artic ice is, so the media say, reducing.

    Now that’s what I call having your cake and eating it. Hole in Ozone layer causing ice cover to grow in the south and shrink in the north. Yeah! Yeah!

    Enjoy.

  55. Given that people who exercise burn more calories and thus produce more CO2 than couch potatoes and given that people who eat more vegetables produce more flatulence, it’s clear the only thing we can do is to eat more highly refined foods and move as little as possible.

    Thankfully, Al Gore invented the internet which means we don’t have to interact with anyone in person any more, or leave our homes, either. Did Al Gore also invent cable TV? Well blessings upon whoever did!

  56. “The total volume of humanity is really quite small. ”

    There are a number of species with a greater biomass than humans; termites come to mind. Of course termites lack our capacity for navel-gazing and self-loathing.

  57. Nuclear?! Has nobody ever heard of the problems of dealing with nuclear waste? Has nobody here heard of Chernobyl? Not quite the same thing as alarmism, I think. Agree that Nuclear power plants produce no CO2, but we all agree here that CO2’s no problem – or do we?

  58. Re:

    ” Gary Pearse (08:04:27) :

    The tide has been turning in the press alright but we have the national w. service buying up old household thermometers and giving out new ones probably graduated in 100’s of a degree F and Al Gore pressing to get rid of the Celsius scale to make the numbers bigger”

    Is this true? I read about this yesterday, but I thought it was a joke. Is Gore really pressing to put the Kelvin scale into everyday use?

  59. WakeUpMaggy (10:41:32) :
    Well if you take the specific gravity of the human body and average the weight at 70 kg — with a good squashing you would fit in more than 10 billion folk.

  60. All of the comments must make us realise how insignificant the human race is as far as the Earth is concerned.

    We are but like a gnat on an elephants behind; just a minor irritation.

    But, oh boy, aren’t we arrogant. To presume that we have such an effect on the Earth when what is happening is just natural cycles.

    I have a photograph of my wife + car on route 17 in Canada when we drove from Cochrane to Nippygong. On the photo we were 58 miles from the nearest human habitation both infront and behind; the nearest tarmaced road on our left was 75 miles away and on our right was in the Soviet Union. It sure puts the human race’s place in the great scheme of things into perspective.

    Since then we’ve cruised in the Artic Ocean to Spitsbergen; cruised across a part of the Indian Ocean from Madagascar to the Seychelles, jungle trekked in Borneo, been in the Galapagos and on Safari in the Masai Mara.

    Point being? When you’ve been out in the wilds miles away from the vast majority of the human race you appreciate what the gnat feels like; so much space, not enough time.

    Enjoy.

  61. There is more than one flaw in their argument about overweight people but I’ll just point out that a fair number of them don’t eat more than their fair share. Instead they tend to under exercise thus not emitting as much of that toxic CO2 gas we have read about. It seems to me that thin svelt people contribute more to global warming with their increased CO2 outputs. ;)

  62. Erich and others:

    We could of course propose a feasability study for moving the ozone hole to the Artic in order to refreeze it (something with giant windmills hanging on stratospheric balloons, powered somehow by heatpumps working on the ocean’s temperature gradient).

    I bet some burocrat somewhere will find money for it since it a) will save the Polar Bears, b) will return the Arctic and Antartic to their “normal” state (for the time being) and 3) will reduce the skinburn of those Aussies (No, not transfered to us Northeners, we are not all hedonists, mind you!). I’m sure we can find a source of dosh with a proposal having enough of the right words and phrazes, and what penpusher wouldn’t love the opportunity to save mankind?

    Let’s try the EU or the White House. Anyone want to join me?

  63. CodeTech (12:08:28) :

    Hah – someone hit my trigger…

    I AM buying a Challenger with the 5.7L Hemi… did my test drives on the weekend and monday. It’s going to be TorRed with the Classic package (fancy badges and stripes, shiny chrome wheels, and 6-speed manual transmission: 376 HP).

    My favourite colour in this car and the old Magnum. And a 6 speed manual too! I have a 300C and invite you to drop in at 300cforums.com if you want to discuss LX cars. Needless to say, there is not much hand wringing about AGW in 300cforums.

  64. When the percentage of voters doubting humnan involved climate change passes the 50% mark is when the politicians will also swing against human involved climate change.That 50% is the benchmark where the pollies start thinking about how the majority will vote!

  65. I have one question for those advocating we all turn vegetarian and eat fresh organically grown fruit and vegetables.

    Where are you going to get the manure to grow the veges if we stop farming animals?

  66. Tom in Texas (12:01:22) :

    “So all the people on Earth could easily fit within one cubic mile.”

    How much space would they take up if they were compacted? :o)

    Good grief, the humans on earth wouldn’t even fill up Lake Powell! Maybe if we dumped the termites in too we could fill ‘er up once and for all:)

  67. John Wright (12:25:28) :

    Nuclear?! Has nobody ever heard of the problems of dealing with nuclear waste? Has nobody here heard of Chernobyl? Not quite the same thing as alarmism, I think. Agree that Nuclear power plants produce no CO2, but we all agree here that CO2’s no problem – or do we?

    There is no problem with storage of nuclear waste other than the green folks will not let a reasonable storage system be set up while they look for some pie in the sky perfect solution. High level waste could be used as a source of heat and energy production to make use of its dissipated energy of decay if folks would let us, right now we burn fuel to generate energy to cool the storage pools, when Sterling cycle engines could be generating energy from the warm water pools if we would just let them.

    Chernobyl is an example of what happens when you go out of your way to do everything wrong, the same sort of things happen with conventional technology — ever hear of Bhopal India, Texas City Texas, Cleveland East Ohio Gas Explosion ?

    They designed a reactor with no effective containment vessel, that had an unstable design that was prone to runaway at low power levels due to a positive void coefficient and the effects of xenon posioning of the reaction compounded by the slow activation of the control rods during an emergency scram. Then in violation of good practice, they shut off safety features to run a test that never should have been run, with improper staffing and ignored warnings that they were treading on dangerous ground. Then they did not evacuate the affected region or warn neighboring areas until it was independently detected by outsiders and almost 36 hours had passed since the fatally flawed test began.

    It is not an indictment of Nuclear power it is an indictment of large organizations doing things to satisfy dead lines rather than listening to the engineers who know what should be done, and disregarding standard safety measures with out regard (or understanding) of the risks involved.

    Larry

  68. “”” John Wright (12:25:28) :

    Nuclear?! Has nobody ever heard of the problems of dealing with nuclear waste? Has nobody here heard of Chernobyl? Not quite the same thing as alarmism, I think. Agree that Nuclear power plants produce no CO2, but we all agree here that CO2’s no problem – or do we? “””

    Chernobyl was a bad reactor design. Many more people have been killed by hydroelectric power plants, than Nuclear plants; well they drowned in the lakes of water that are damned up to feed the turbines; or got killed in a boating accident on those same lakes.

    So let’s eliminate all forms of (naturally) stored energy, such as nuclear or any sort of natural hydrocarbon fuels.

    So the floor is all yours John; where are you going to get the energy to supply the 6.5 billion folks we have now; let alone all those we will have by the time your plan gets implemented.
    And of course in keeping with President Obama’s world good neighbor policy, we would want everybody on earth to be enjoying the same standard of living as we have; so no paying slave laboreres to watch your kids, or blow the leaves off your lawn, or flip hamburgers at below minimum wage to satisfy the teener brats.
    One hint; renewable green energy arrives on earth at a density of 168 watts per square metre; according to the official NOAA earth energy budget chart.

    In the USA it currently costs well over $100 per square foot to build anything on anysite. Maybe Donald Trump can observe your enterprise to see if he will give you the job.

    George

  69. “”WakeUpMaggy (14:14:40) :
    Tom in Texas (12:01:22) :
    “So all the people on Earth could easily fit within one cubic mile.”
    How much space would they take up if they were compacted? :o)
    Good grief, the humans on earth wouldn’t even fill up Lake Powell! Maybe if we dumped the termites in too we could fill ‘er up once and for all:)”

    Hmmm… how much room would we take up if we were all freeze-dried THEN compacted?

  70. Nuclear waste is mostly a problem because of our government. Other countries reuse, reprocess and recycle their nuclear waste. These methods reduce total nuclear waste about 90%, if memory serves me correctly.

    We have wasted years on the Yucca Mountain project. Yucca Mountain is not a never will be a geologically suitable site for nuclear waste disposal. Yucca Mountain was a good geo-political solution, as Nevada is a sparsely populated state full of gamblers and other degenerates. (Just kidding, I used to live there. But many people do view the state that way).

    When President Obama canceled the Yucca Mountain project, it was a signal that he intends to not pursue more nuclear power generation.

  71. Mike Bryant (14:45:51) :
    Hmmm… how much room would we take up if we were all freeze-dried THEN compacted?

    Duh, doing the math, uh, 14% of 3cubic feet? Kind of like the SpacePack storage solution. Suck out all the hot air not much left.

    After a little research and MATH I learned that Lake Powell holds 30 cubic kilometers, or 7.something cubic miles. Far too much room. Maybe we could instead put all the people of the world in something like all the stadiums of the world, filled to the brim. Our whle town would fit in our high school football stadium, for sure, sitting down.

  72. The newly created Temperature Homogeneity Act (THA) has just passed both Houses of Congress. In the same way that timepieces all over the USA are now continually synchronized each night with the government’s atomic clock in Colorado, the new thermometers being provided by GISS through the National Weather Service Regional offices and will be continually synchronized with the computers at Goddard Institute of Space Studies. All thermometers that are sold in the United States are required to contain the hardware and software necessary to update the temperature display. For the first year, March 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010, all thermometers on public display anywhere in the United States or her Territories are required to be THA compliant. Beginning, March 1, 2010, every thermometer will comply with THA. Anyone possessing or attempting to sell any non-compliant thermometer will be subject to a $10,000 fine and not less than one year in Federal Prison. Since the NWS is now providing these compliant thermometers free of charge to the public there is no excuse for non-compliance.

    (just kidding but, who knows?)

  73. IBD article
    ‘So much so that they started talking about “climate change” instead of “global warming.”’
    This so passé. It’s now called CARBON pollution. Get with the program.
    CO2 global warming was change to global warming. Global warming was change to climate change (when the earth started to cool). How the talking points is carbon pollution.
    A rose is a rose by any other name is still a rose.

  74. So all the people on Earth could easily fit within one cubic mile

    That’s a good reminder of our (in)significance. A stat that made me stop and think when I first heard it is that insects* account for 80% of all animal life, measured by weight!

    *more likely to be arthropods, of which insects are the major class, but I don’t recall the source, which was overheard on the radio. It sounded worryingly plausible, though.

  75. Smokey,
    I bet if we were freeze dried and compacted we would fit easily into a quarter mile cube.
    Mike

  76. Mike Bryant (16:39:37) :

    Smokey,
    I bet if we were freeze dried and compacted we would fit easily into a quarter mile cube.
    Mike

    Stop giving them ideas mate- Bereft as they are of original thought they do understand plagiarism!

  77. James P (15:58:45) :

    That’s a good reminder of our (in)significance. A stat that made me stop and think when I first heard it is that insects* account for 80% of all animal life, measured by weight!

    *more likely to be arthropods, of which insects are the major class, but I don’t recall the source, which was overheard on the radio. It sounded worryingly plausible, though.

    Prochlorococcus marinus, a protist, is the most abundant organism in mass. Prochlorococcus marinus lives in oceans.

  78. Gary Pearse (08:14:21) :

    On the subject of the goofy research concluding that obesity contributes to AGW, I think that as the brighter researchers in the AGW party start to have doubts, the field will more and more be left up to science clowns.

    Gary – Excuse me – but hasn’t that already happened!

  79. CodeTech (08:17:22) :

    Personally, I refer to this as “hypocrite day”. I get to mock people who are completely clueless, just like “earth hour” participants.

    On a tangentially related note, I STILL mock those who buy brand new vehicles and tell me my 22 year old car is harmful to the environment. Apparently these people believe cars are grown in a sustainable way in mountain meadows. Perhaps they don’t realize the massive emissions involved in actually building a vehicle, any vehicle, and certainly can’t comprehend that a 22 year old car can be properly maintained, getting excellent mileage with low emissions.

    Nope, I get to watch the parade of SUVs going to the local parks to celebrate how “other people” need to clean up their impact on the planet. It’s always someone else, right?

    CodeTech – And won’t these people be shocked to discover that they are precisely in the frame when Government solutions are deployed to restrict CO2 emissions.

  80. When I saw the Campbell’s Soup can for E.D., I thought a special soup was in order. The Caitlin crew may need some of this for fortification.

  81. Prochlorococcus marinus,
    It lives in the oceans between us,
    It’s the greatest in mass,
    And yet it’s so crass,
    It doesn’t even care if it’s seen us.

  82. Dennis (08:51:43) :

    Slightly OT but the whole obesity/health/cost-to-society drive is falling apart. The excellent Junk Food Science blog recently had this essay concerning obesity vs. health problems: http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2009/04/does-it-really-matter-how-your-numbers.html (Hmmm. don’t know how to make that “click and go”).

    Gradually the environmentalists are being proved wrong about everything (have they ever been right?) and shown to be simply another group of leftists power-grabbers.

    Dennis – I think that you may find the following article by Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore interesting to read.

    REF: http://www.greenspirit.com/key_issues.cfm?msid=34

  83. janama (14:02:09) :

    I have one question for those advocating we all turn vegetarian and eat fresh organically grown fruit and vegetables.

    Where are you going to get the manure to grow the veges if we stop farming animals?

    Hey you .. Pssssst we have this special seed.. that takes our special fertilizer…and we can put whatever drug you need into it. …..brought to you by your local GM seed dealer. /sarc off

  84. Mike Bryant (11:13:30) :

    “David S (10:09:48) :
    BTW What about all those pudgy polar bears? They’re two or three times the size of most chubby humans. Will the warmers have them moved to re-education camps where they will be taught to give up meat eating and learn to dine on the vegetation native to the region?”

    Here’s a polar bear having a salad!

    http://www.pbase.com/mortenmojo/image/75705904

    Certainly looks like one fed-up, sad, disgusted Bear. Do I see a wistfull look in those big brown eyes, or a gleam of a dream for a lovely, fat, juicy Seal carcass.

  85. pkatt (17:45:54) :

    janama (14:02:09) :

    I have one question for those advocating we all turn vegetarian and eat fresh organically grown fruit and vegetables.

    Where are you going to get the manure to grow the veges if we stop farming animals?

    Hey you .. Pssssst we have this special seed.. that takes our special fertilizer…and we can put whatever drug you need into it. …..brought to you by your local GM seed dealer. /sarc off

    Agropathy?

  86. Graeme Rodaughan (17:48:12) :
    Mike Bryant (11:13:30) :
    “David S (10:09:48) :
    BTW What about all those pudgy polar bears? They’re two or three times the size of most chubby humans. Will the warmers have them moved to re-education camps where they will be taught to give up meat eating and learn to dine on the vegetation native to the region?”
    Here’s a polar bear having a salad!

    http://www.pbase.com/mortenmojo/image/75705904

    Certainly looks like one fed-up, sad, disgusted Bear. Do I see a wistfull look in those big brown eyes, or a gleam of a dream for a lovely, fat, juicy Seal carcass.

    Hey… look at that photo again!! Could that be the shredded rags of the Catlin Group?!?!?!

  87. Mike Bryant (17:24:57) :

    Prochlorococcus marinus,
    It lives in the oceans between us,
    It’s the greatest in mass,
    And yet it’s so crass,
    It doesn’t even care if it’s seen us.

    Hahaha… Excellent rhyme!

  88. Ed Zuiderwijk (13:29:38) :

    Erich and others:

    We could of course propose a feasability study for moving the ozone hole to the Artic in order to refreeze it (something with giant windmills hanging on stratospheric balloons, powered somehow by heatpumps working on the ocean’s temperature gradient).

    I bet some burocrat somewhere will find money for it since it a) will save the Polar Bears, b) will return the Arctic and Antartic to their “normal” state (for the time being) and 3) will reduce the skinburn of those Aussies (No, not transfered to us Northeners, we are not all hedonists, mind you!). I’m sure we can find a source of dosh with a proposal having enough of the right words and phrazes, and what penpusher wouldn’t love the opportunity to save mankind?

    Let’s try the EU or the White House. Anyone want to join me?

    Looking for dosh to fund such schemes – just print it – works for Zimbabwe.

    REF: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article7578.html
    REF: http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/us-government-spending-13-trillion-to-fix-problems/2009/04/22/
    REF: http://jdereport.com.au/?p=456

  89. hotrod (14:27:43) :

    John Wright (12:25:28) :

    Nuclear?! Has nobody ever heard of the problems of dealing with nuclear waste? Has nobody here heard of Chernobyl? Not quite the same thing as alarmism, I think. Agree that Nuclear power plants produce no CO2, but we all agree here that CO2’s no problem – or do we?

    There is no problem with storage of nuclear waste other than the green folks will not let a reasonable storage system be set up while they look for some pie in the sky perfect solution. High level waste could be used as a source of heat and energy production to make use of its dissipated energy of decay if folks would let us, right now we burn fuel to generate energy to cool the storage pools, when Sterling cycle engines could be generating energy from the warm water pools if we would just let them.

    Chernobyl is an example of what happens when you go out of your way to do everything wrong, the same sort of things happen with conventional technology — ever hear of Bhopal India, Texas City Texas, Cleveland East Ohio Gas Explosion ?

    They designed a reactor with no effective containment vessel, that had an unstable design that was prone to runaway at low power levels due to a positive void coefficient and the effects of xenon posioning of the reaction compounded by the slow activation of the control rods during an emergency scram. Then in violation of good practice, they shut off safety features to run a test that never should have been run, with improper staffing and ignored warnings that they were treading on dangerous ground. Then they did not evacuate the affected region or warn neighboring areas until it was independently detected by outsiders and almost 36 hours had passed since the fatally flawed test began.

    It is not an indictment of Nuclear power it is an indictment of large organizations doing things to satisfy dead lines rather than listening to the engineers who know what should be done, and disregarding standard safety measures with out regard (or understanding) of the risks involved.

    Larry

    Now I understand the meaning of “Hot Rod”“. – Thanks.

  90. WakeupMaggie,

    I once calculated that 90 billion people could comforably tread water together in Lake Surperior. I also calculated (but have forgottent the figure) how long they would take to heat the Lake up 1degree C at 100kjoules/hr. I got this figure from an article that estimated 300kjoules/hr generated by a pig (for use in agricultural engineering purposes). Incidentally, don’ the quadrillions of creatures on earth and in the sea generate heat….hmmm. Lets assume equal masses generate about the same amount of heat energy as say a pig….

  91. John in L du B (19:05:53) :

    This today concerning the health impacts of wind farms in the Province of Ontario. Note the health impact deniers:

    http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/home/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20090422%2fwind_farms_090422

    From the article:

    Ashbee says she has no problem with the concept of wind farms, but she says they simply shouldn’t be built near residences.

    And the wildlife? heh!

  92. I read somewhere that all humanity could fit comfortably on an island off England’s southern coast. It got me thinking . . .

    If we took as whole the population of Earth
    And according to girth and their height
    We measured the lot
    And assigned them a slot
    They would just fill the Isle of Wight

    :)

  93. John in L du B (19:05:53) :Those health problems reveal to what extremes it reaches the stupidity when stupids have power/money.
    Excess democracy happens where the unfitted are allowed to take decisions which can affect sane and better fitted people. All candidates for public service should be checked for psychological disorders.

  94. As a graduate of Lake Superior State I enjoyed your “people in Lake Superior” note. Funny stuff. Had a good chuckle.
    We never go in until the 4th of July to give enough time for warm up. Even then we don’t go far out. The warm up in Superior is shallow.

  95. Regarding obesity causing global warming. I think of fat people as just walking carbon sequestration devices. It’s those who eat and then exercise a lot who put more CO2 into the atmosphere. Given appropriate development of cemeteries, we could develop methane recapture as an alternative to coal, and with appropriate organic technologies, harvest the rest of the cadavers for new calcium and protein sources. Call it Soylent Green, that has an environmentally friendly sound.

  96. “darwin (11:09:55) :
    Regarding obesity causing global warming. I think of fat people as just walking carbon sequestration devices.”

    Perhaps we should think of fat people as the old growth forests of humanity… They should be protected because they are so valuable to the rest of us. We definitely shouldn’t be cutting them down.
    Mike

    Eat more, burn your gym membership card, become a fat person, save the planet…

  97. “”” hotrod (14:27:43) :

    John Wright (12:25:28) :

    Nuclear?! Has nobody ever heard of the problems of dealing with nuclear waste? Has nobody here heard of Chernobyl? Not quite the same thing as alarmism, I think. Agree that Nuclear power plants produce no CO2, but we all agree here that CO2’s no problem – or do we?

    There is no problem with storage of nuclear waste other than the green folks will not let a reasonable storage system be set up while they look for some pie in the sky perfect solution. High level waste could be used as a source of heat and energy production to make use of its dissipated energy of decay if folks would let us, right now we burn fuel to generate energy to cool the storage pools, when Sterling cycle engines could be generating energy from the warm water pools if we would just let them.

    Chernobyl is an example of what happens when you go out of your way to do everything wrong, the same sort of things happen with conventional technology — ever hear of Bhopal India, Texas City Texas, Cleveland East Ohio Gas Explosion ? “””

    Hey Hotrod, I know about that Texas City shindig, since I once worked for Monsanto Chemical Central Research Labs in St Louis MO. The safety chief loved to tell the story about that ammonimum Nitrate fire and explosion ; they had while shipping that stuff.

    And let’s not forget the Halifax explosion of an ammo ship in 1912 or was it 1918. Reputed to be the biggest non nuclear blast ever, that nearly levelled the city, as a result of two ships colliding in the harbor, around 8 AM in the morning.

    And no I wasn’t there for that one.

    George

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