I’ve held off as long as I can with commenting on the presedential election, as it tends to suck all the oxygen right out of the room, but this issue needs to be aired. There’s more to Obama’s energy plan than bankrupting coal power plants. He also intends to make energy prices “skyrocket”:
This doesn’t sound sustainable to me. Hat tip to Jon Jewitt.
UPDATE: here is video from the San Francisco Chronicle of the actual interview:
Hat tip to Fred for this one.
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Well, that’ll mean the poor won’t be able to afford it which will mean more wealth will need to be redistributed downward.
We’ll know in about 36 hours if we’re following Britain down the road to freezing in the dark.
We’re already in danger of blackouts & brownouts
http://www.nextgenenergy.org/nextgen+blackout+study.aspx
and that’s BEFORE any group has driven a stake through the heart of the power grid.
… which I’ll add it means he just might try and do this.
It is shocking that a candidate wants to cripple a major US energy source! We cannot replace coal with wind mills. This is all based on bad science. There is no proven AGW based on CO2. Hopefully he will be just a footnote in history. On a lighter note how is Chico doing doing with their deficit. Maybe their cap and tax will restore the businesses there.
Neither candidate gets my vote based on their stance on AGW. But McCain gets it as the lessor of two evils on that score. And I have a lot of other reasons for voting against Obama. Since they go beyond the primary interests of WUWT, I’ll keep them to myself. I do think, no matter who wins, that events have a way of driving the future, not silly (or stupid) campaign promises. On climate change, I think we’ll see the climate change before the worst is done, no matter who wins.
Amazing arrogance!
The hidden tax that never gets mentioned. Not that McCain’s understanding of climate is much better.
I haven’t compared the two tapes but this is apparently the original
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2008/01/20/EDIAUHASH.DTL&o=0
You, ladies and gentlemen, are going to pay for the sin of emitting CO2. Not to worry. Your addiction to CO2 emissions will be limited by personal economic factors.
The short version.
I’ll make energy prices “skyrocket”
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=e46U2Gnzpr
The coal industry will not be bankrupt they will simply pass the costs onto the consumer. It should also be noted that greenhouse gases include water vapour. Would this mean that water would be included in the cap and trade plan? Irrigation produces a lot of water vapour. Would this drive up the cost of food?
With 50% of electricity generated by coal we need only look at what happened to California when the price of electricity skyrocketed.
Isn’t coal black?
Here is the video of his comment:
Update – it is about 26 minutes in
I’m starting to have serious reservations that this country will still exist 10 years from now. It’s being destroyed from within, and the politicians are the catalyst.
About half of the USA electricity generation is coal burning power plants. The USA has about 27% of the world’s coal supply. Trans[port fuel is easily made from coal with a process called the Fischer-Tropsch.
I vote we cut electricity to Al Gore’s house and Chicago first.
This coal idiocy is just astounding.
… More about what we don’t know about climate … It’s called Flux Transfer Events, sun to earth. Changes our understanding of how particles and energy moves from the sun to the earth — Courtesy of the THEMIS constellation of satellites.
An amazing, and unexpected discovery. How do FTE`s effect the Earth`s climate? Have FTEs decreased in number or intensity with the weakening solar wind or Earth`s decreasing magnetic field? Maybe they have increased, more are forming? We simply don’t know what is the ramifications of all this, how the Earth’s climate is affected, we just know something is happening.
Yet more climate complexity NOT figured into the UN-IPCC report and Al Gore`s Global Warming hoax.
Here is the link
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30oct_ftes.htm?list1010788
Remember, the THEMIS satellites figured out how the Aurora Borealis event was triggered a few months back..
One of many things that continues to astound me is the number of people who just get giddy over the thought that we’ll FINALLY be making the evil, nasty, coal-fired power plants pay.
People at large seem to have absolutely no idea how a business operates. Purchasing carbon credits is an “expense”, just the same as purchasing any other raw material that goes into their product, in this case, electricity. The price they charge for that product obviously has to be above the price they pay to MAKE the product. Increase their cost, increase the cost to the consumer of the product.
Instead, people are of the belief that the company that owns the plant has to take this money for carbon credits out of some secret pile of money instead of passing the costs along, and that it will have no impact on the consumer.
When you tell them that it’s NOT the power company that pays for the carbon credits, it’s US, they look at you like you’re a lunatic.
The general public seems to be in some sort of trance that for the most part is impenetrable.
I wonder if their vision will clear once the sheckles are all gone?
Jim
I’ll be Obama does not even know what a lump of coal looks like.
Strangley enough, the guy who’s ‘strongest’ on the economy is acctualy the one who is the highest risk. I’m not conviced either of them, or anyone for that matter, can ‘fix’ the economy. I think this one needs to work it-self out. But Barack is the one who will do the most damage trying to fix it.
Let’s face it, tax cuts to 95% of the working class only help if you have a job.
“Maybe we pick wrong and maybe we pick right.” This authoritarian is not the right pick.
Coal Bankruptcy
If ever implemented widely, Cap and Trade will be such a spectacular failure that it will be political suicide for anybody who had anything to do with it.
The problem is it focuses on one thing – Carbon. We should be focusing on energy efficiency, sustainability and security. I might be willing to allow CO2 into the equation, as I’d prefer we not run massive experiments with our one and only atmosphere, but honestly I think there are much more pressing concerns at the moment.
I think one tactic in dealing with this sort of thing is to run with it and take it to extremes. If we cap and trade CO2 – why not methane? Hell, why not water vapor. Instead of fighting the regulator regime, jump on board in spades and help it collapse under it’s own weight.
Obama is obviously very intelligent. Even if he knows about the doubts surrounding AGW theory, would he hint about them in a campaign?
We’ll see what he does once elected. The slightest hint of waffling and delaying would mean that he won’t be as radical as many people on this blog fear.
I just had a conversation with my my small business owning brother.
We’re of a mind.
After they’ve put Obama in office – we’re done with our democrat friends.
The issues are too great to pretend that his candidacy and election are not an assault on our families, our livelihoods and this great land.
May I suggest some viewing alternatives to watching this tragedy unfold.
I’m watching National Geographic’s Lewis & Clark – Great Journey West.
No matter what they do in their effort to create a socialist utopia -they cannot take away the fact of the courageous visionaries who laid the foundations of America.
May God bless and keep her.
God bless her.
Unfortunately, there’s no more time left to truly expose the Messiah for who he really is. The mainstream media has already elected him.
There’s a huge disconnect in this country regarding the AGW issue. People as a whole don’t get the fact that “Cap and Trade” is nothing but a huge money-making (for some) scam that is going to cost We the People a lot of money, and will have incredibly negative consequences for our already-hurting economy. John McCain is for the same thing, it’s just that Obama has connected the dots. It is up to Congress to drag their feet on this as much as possible. Heaven help us if the Dems get a 60-seat majority, and I say that as a Dem. Here in NH, the Rep. Sununu (who I’ll be voting for) is in what appears to be a tight race with Shaheen. Should be interesting. Obama gets my vote, albeit an unenthusiastic one.
Obama is clueless.
Check the typo in the post’s title.
REPLY: Fixed Thanks- Anthony
The media has had this for some time I think. They are releasing various stories at the last minute in low key ways that they think will preserve their credibility. Those stories released in the primary would have finished the O.