NOAA: U.S. breaks or ties 115 cold and sets 63 new snowfall records

Steve, I would wait to see what the global temps are doing before you start to thinking this shows global cooling. So far as I see it Oct 08 is tracking warmer then Sept 08
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/
But I still see the trend for cooling continuing

this writer thinks that a temperature record for a whole year is not that important. Why then all the cheering for these 1-day records?
REPLY: Simple- because there seldom is a day like this when 115 record events occur. And becuase we know that the data used to detect the faint climate signal (0.7-0.9 C) may very well be swamped by microsite biases, city UHI, and artifacts of NOAA adjustments such as TOBS, FILNET, and SHAP, which all add a positive value to the data.
The low temp records listed by NOAA are irrefutable, since almost all localized site biases are positive. The snowfall records are also irrefutable, since you can’t bias the existence of it.
A lot of folks don’t like my reporting on these cold events, and to them I say “tough noogies”, the MSM more than makes up for it by trumpeting every heat wave as “more proof” of AGW induced cliamte change. Care to place a bet on whether this story is reported on by NYT, CBS, ABC etc? – Anthony

Bob B
You say that October temperatures globally are not that cold.
This is true. But to a very large extend it seems to be related to warmer Siberia. Siberia was warmed when in August-september the HUGE whole in the polar ice occured and in not time led out a lot of heat from the upper layers of polar waters benieth. This has spread warmth in whole huge Russia and even down to china. But the whole in the polar ice is now closed. On practically all continent the prognoses for first half of november is rapidly cooling.
And now starts La Nina
Have patience and see the global november-december-january temperatures!
Last year the same happened. Even though there was a La nina in sep-oct, the temperatures actually rose when there was a big whole in the polar ice. When it closed, temperatures fell like a rock down nov-dec-jan.
Enjoy…

Anthony,
Is there a table somewhere of the annual total number of daily records set? IOW, what’s the history of record setting temps (both high and low)? This would say something about the likelihood of extremes happening over periods longer than a cold snap or heat wave.
REPLY: Don’t know, but worth researching. – A

Noticed this new article out from MIT scientists puzzled at methane increases which “don’t fit the model” (lol). Which, from what I understand, would/should have greatly increased warming–even as we see cold trend continue.

The previous day (28th) set even more minimum records-92 set and 47 tied for a total of 139.

OT, but check out news of new MIT paper on methane.
http://www.tgdaily.com/
Site is slow right now because of a link from Drudge.

Okay, let’s hear what Flanagan and Mary Hinge have to say…

Why?

I find it interesting that all the temperatures are whole numbers(degrees F). Is that the level of resolution in the USHCN? Here in Canada, most daily temperature readings have 1/10ths of a degree Celcius “accuracy”.

No mention of records on weather channel when I was watching it. I guess I can cross them off in the future, along with CBS, CNN, ABC, NBC and all the other communist networks.

“”Bob B (11:12:21) :
Steve, I would wait to see what the global temps are doing before you start to thinking this shows global cooling. So far as I see it Oct 08 is tracking warmer then Sept 08
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/
But I still see the trend for cooling continuing””
I download the ASU daily temps (from 3300ft) and keep a running monthly average and thus far Oct 08 is a tad under .1C below Oct 07 (there were 3-4 days with no readings for some reason). so the lower Troposphere is cooling and is cooler than the surface, something that runs counter to AGW theory.

The way I see it, it no longer matters how many record lows are broken.
These records are all falling on deaf ears. The political momentum is so strong to regulate CO2 that the coming Gorites and Obozos will surely try to impose their “rescue” plan on the industrial west.
Can’t you hear them forging chains and shackles?

“” John Schwartz (12:03:04) :
Noticed this new article out from MIT scientists puzzled at methane increases which “don’t fit the model” (lol). Which, from what I understand, would/should have greatly increased warming–even as we see cold trend continue. “”
CTRL/ALT/DEL/TILT !!
Slight English grammar gibberish there; allow me to readjust according to the King’s English (technical term).
‘Noticed this new article out from MIT scientists puzzled at models which from what I understand, don’t fit the methane increases (lol) and predict greatly increased warming in the face of real experimental scientific observations, that the trend is to colder temperatures. ‘
No charge for the service John, and thanks for the alert.
George

How did Al Gore get to all those places in one month ?

Fred,
“I find it interesting that all the temperatures are whole numbers(degrees F). Is that the level of resolution in the USHCN? Here in Canada, most daily temperature readings have 1/10ths of a degree Celcius “accuracy”.
The METAR obs is encoded in tenths of a degree Celsius then converted to Fahrenheit for domestic consumption

Simon, interesting.
If humans are to blame for warming, are we also to blame for cooling? Or is this a “heads I win and tails you lose” game.

The Temps in AK are less affected by UHI than others due to the rural nature of the sites. Survey sez?

On TWC Wednesday night, Heidi Klum, er I mean Cullen was speaking by satellite remote to an upstate NY Meteorologist about the 14″ snow. She said something to the effect “Now how does this relate to global warming?” The other Meteorologist said it was a “direct result” of global warming coming up over the mountains. I couldn’t believe what he said! I just had to laugh out loud. At least he won’t be black listed by Ms. Cullen.

Hummm,
I wonder if the congress and the extremely green crowd can be taken to criminal court and tried for premeditated murder when people start dying because they can’t afford to heat their homes due to gv’t regulation?
They’ve got motive ($$$) opportunity (they make or lobby for the laws) and method (taxes under another name, cap and trade – a real concealed weapon!).

To add to the UAH link, it does look like October might trend a little warm worldwide.
http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/images/rnl/sfctmpmer_30a.rnl.html
You can count on these mild yellows and greens being shown in deep, blood red on the GISS map.

Philip_B: “My proposal is for a new metric is the number of new monthly highs versus new monthly lows (although daily high/lows would work just as well) as a rolling 12 month number.”
I agree. I have never liked the averages. Too smooth. But, you must realize that record highs and lows are conditioned on the length of the record. In year 1 every daily temperature is a record, and in year 2 as well. In year 3 some daily readings fall between those of year 1 and 2, so some non-record days occur. And so on. As the years in the record book increase, the likelihood of a record setting day decrease.
So I suggest using deciles instead, as in counting the daily highs and lows that fall in the top or bottom ten percent. That system would be significantly less (but not completely) dependent on the length of the record.

Anthony-
The same source you used (I did the research myself):
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/records/index.php

One other point on food supply.
There are business news stories about how farmers in many locations can’t get loans for seed etc for next year’s crop because of the financial crisis. In Russia for example, wheat production may be down as much as 50% next year.
Mike Dubrasich, deciles are are a good idea, and there are many other metrics I could think of.
See below for some very interesting time_of_day analyses of Australian temperature data.
http://gustofhotair.blogspot.com/search/label/weatheranalysis

October snow forecast for Morocco.
http://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/static/europe/next3days/snow

I wouldn’t put a lot of credence in the NOAA climate records. I know that much of the data has been massaged, expunged, and manipulated. I have the daily records for Bangor, ME (KBGR) that go back to the end of 1926. NOAA is using an abbreviated version that starts in 1946 with some interruptions.
Using their data, on Jan 25th, 2004 a new record low was recorded – 12F eclipsing the old record of -10 set in 1982. My records show the record low to be -14F set in 1948.
Their records show that on July 14th, 2006 a high temp of 93F tied the old record set in 1952. My data show the record to be 99F set in 1995 ( I distinctly remember this day because it was the highest temperature recorded since 1975).
There will be many high temp records set for Bangor since the records of the 1930’s and 40’s are no longer part of the official NOAA climatology.
I know that Farmington, ME has also been adjusted and their record warm years in the 1930’s no longer exist.
How much of the historic record is tainted is anyone’s guess. Hopefully my example is an exception to the rule.

In mid-October 2006 there was the arctic blast that gave the Buffalo area record snows of 2 feet.
In April of 2007 we had that freeze that killed just about everything south of the Ohio River.
Now we have this, freezes in Florida for the first time in October EVER recorded and all-time monthly low temperature record. The year after it SNOWED IN NOVEMBER in Florida for the first time ever, and the freeze in January that went right down to the Glades. Did I mention 2 feet of snow in New York?? This just two weeks after they got record early (and accumulating) snows out west.
If the flavor of the generation climate catastrophe this go round was “The Ice Age Cometh” the media vultures would be circling in the hay fields, ready to attribute any weather event, or non-event, to global cooling, AGC. Hansen would have doctored temperature anomaly charts derived from his own program with encrypted algorithms that create cold bias and similar to his current practice; no one would be able to see them and he would tell us all how silly we are for not buying into end of the world Ice Ages soon-to-be-here mantra. The mile thick glaciers that would push the empire state building out to the Hudson Canyon. Warn us of ‘Climate refugees’ flooding southern international borders, falling sea-levels that would ruin all port towns and cities economies. Falls in sea-ice would be changing wind patterns but gains in ice would mean global cooling has taken effect. Record snowfall would be AGC, not global warming putting more moisture into the air in places where it snows. Icebergs reaching New Zealand would be Antarctica trying to claim adjacent land areas, rather than Antarctica melting into the sea. The only animals one would hear about would be penguins swimming north to mid-latitudes in an apparent attempt to spread beyond their habitat into new, cooler areas. We’d hear stories about Polar Bears in Iceland or seals in Canary Islands, not manatees in Long Island Sound or Cod off Greenland. Speaking of polar bears, it would be a well known fact that their numbers are increasing if the greens instead decided to push the Ice Age agenda, unlike that other twisted version of polar bears they have. The one of starving, drowning bears swimming in vain through Arctic waters. Funny how something that has supposedly never had to swim before can suddenly swim for hundred of miles. Seems like an instinctual behavior to me. Just as a bird builds a nest and a fox, a hole.
Heat waves and droughts would come and go; little would be made of them. There’d be global cooling conferences, headed by Al Gore himself (only he’d have a nobel prize for alerting the world of the coming Ice Age), every month of the year; just as there’s now global warming conferences every month of the year. Every global cooling conference would be held in air conditioned room because every time they have one of these things, it’s 105°F outside; just as it snows during global warming conferences in London and Washington. 100°F heat for the first time in 30 years waves would strike the “Live Earth” global cooling concert in an ironic twist; the same way it snowed for the first time in 30 years in South Africa for that lame entertainment venue. There’s be cooling tax legislation proposed, same way carbon taxes are imposed. You know, you would have to pay extra to use the A/C because all that evil cold air would escape your house and get lose in the outdoors to make extra ice. You’d be told to unplug your freezer during times of non-essential use and open it sparingly.
But a mere 30 years from now, global warming would return and we’d be told once again that global cooling was a myth and anything that doesn’t agree with global warming, such as an October snowstorm, is merely anecdotal.

Pamela – Minor point, but they are Canada Geese, not Canadian Geese (unless they have passports or birth certificates…). They may not be where you are, but they are here on Vancouver Island in hundreds. And to keep closer to topic, I have been tracking forecasts versus actual temperatures since the start of the year and the meteorologists have been too high between 2-5C consistently. I suspect they are basing their forecasts on the last 30 years, not what is actually happening with the PDO shift. I just bought a home met station so I should be able to keep things a bit more scientifically in future – but it sure is cold!

Flanagan-
You are mistaken. The daily AMSU readings are not accurate, as they have to be adjusted due to satellite drift. Not only was October 29 likely NOT the warmest ever measured, but September was only the 8th warmest in the UAH record, not the 3rd warmest. And it was also cooler than September 2007, 2006, 2005, 2003, 2002…most of the years this decade.

Record low temperatures in Cuba also. Well, it’s only one data point. Hmm… if all of North America got record temperatures would that be one data point?

Flanagan (01:35:33) Now if we were warming, September would be first warmest, not third warmest. This data, in fact, shows we are cooling. Sure, it’s not much of a trend over the last few years, but it’s longer than your trend, over the last few months.
See NOAA’s CFS ensemble graph for projections of a deepening La Nina over the next 8 months. That’s going to produce a few N’ths warmest months where N is greater than one, demonstrating cooling.
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Hey! Al Gore, whatinthehellisgoingon? Record cold? Where is this global warming stuff????

Kim (12:45:27) Hi, Kim and welcome. I’m grateful you capitalize your name and don’t double underline your comments. Al is busy lining up more anonymous and internet donors to finance his $300,000,000 propaganda campaign that nobody wants to claim they’ve helped finance. Man, if the point of it is to save the world, why wouldn’t people want to be identified with it? That they hide tells me there is something to be ashamed of. Now, what might that be?
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Anne-
How do you reconcile the fact that 2008 has seen more record low temperatures than record highs?

Hello…GLOBAL warming, not United States warming. If you actually read the IPCC report http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf you will find that the models/data (page 32, for example) indicate that some areas have become colder, some warmer…what matters is the mean change as well as where it is happening.
In any event, none of this addresses the much more straightforward problem of ocean acidification. Increase atmospheric CO2->increase ocean CO2->decrease ocean pH->change calcite saturation state->alter dynamics of ocean ecosystem, beginning with the primary producers (i.e. plankton).

Tom (20:05:55) Your ocean acidification question has been exaggerated drastically, and seems to be the fallback position from which to demonize CO2 once global warming started to turn into global cooling. Increased CO2 in the oceans will act just as increased CO2 does in the atmosphere, as a fertilizer for plants, and the increased biomass will simply accelerate the biological processes in the oceans which ultimately lead to virtually permanent sequestration of carbon as carbonates and hydrocarbons. So relax; the sky is neither falling, nor are the oceans boiling. Hippogryphs, now, those you must watch out for.
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ej (13:24:14) Tom fails to realize that we all carry a tiny ocean around inside of us. Are we all huffing and puffing trying to compensate for the acidification of that little ocean caused by a 40% rise in CO2? Heck, no. The acidification scaremongers are grasping at straws while the earth cools. Why the heck can’t they assume the mantle of scientists, and question their assumptions?
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In the last two decades we have seen an overall trend of our planet warming up. the 90’s produced some of the hottest years globally we have seen since we’ve been recording temps. We have also seen a trend of extremes in weather, extremely active and dangerous hurricane seasons, and hot and cold records to the extreme. The overall consensus in the scientific community is that yes the planet is warming up as a direct result of human activities. Regardless of what you believe or choose not to believe, our vehicles and energy needs create pollution. Lots and lots of pollution. We are destroying the air we breath and poising the water we drink. Who in L.A. does not have lesions in their lungs do to pollution? Global warming aside, any effort to reduce the rate at which we are poisoning ourselves should be looked at as a good thing. There is no one out there that can argue that running a petroleum vehicle is good for our air quality. It’s really irrelevant how you feel about global warming. We are poisoning our planet and need to take steps towards a cleaner society. Only a fool would argue against that.