Snow blankets London for Global Warming debate – first October Snow in over 70 years

Two Stories for you, one about the snow itself, and the other about climate law being debated and passed in the middle of the unusual snow.- Anthony

London has first October snow in over 70 years

From the Guardian

Cold snap causes flight cancellations while a motorway accident kills one driver and causes severe disruption

Parts of south-east England had more than an inch of snow last night while London experienced its first October snowfall in more than 70 years as winter conditions arrived early.

Snow settled on the ground in parts of the capital last night as temperatures dipped below zero. A Met Office spokeswoman said it was London’s first October snow since 1934.

For greater south-east of England it was the first October snow since 1974. High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire had 3cm (1.2 inches). One of the coldest temperatures recorded was -4.1C in Benson, Oxfordshire.

“It is unusual to have snow this early,” the Met spokeswoman said. “In October 2003 sleet and snow was recorded in Northern Ireland, Wales, south-west, north-west and north-east England and the Midlands, but it was mainly over higher ground.”

read the entire story here

How Parliament passed the Climate Bill (in spite of the weather)

Excerpt: Snow fell as the House of Commons debated Global Warming yesterday – the first October fall in the metropolis since 1922. The Mother of Parliaments was discussing the Mother of All Bills for the last time, in a marathon six hour session.

In order to combat a projected two degree centigrade rise in global temperature, the Climate Change Bill pledges the UK to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions by 80 per cent by 2050. The bill was receiving a third reading, which means both the last chance for both democratic scrutiny and consent.

The bill creates an enormous bureaucratic apparatus for monitoring and reporting, which was expanded at the last minute. Amendments by the Government threw emissions from shipping and aviation into the monitoring program, and also included a revision of the Companies Act (c. 46) “requiring the directors’ report of a company to contain such information as may be specified in the regulations about emissions of greenhouse gases from activities for which the company is responsible” by 2012.

Recently the American media has begun to notice the odd incongruity of saturation media coverage here which insists that global warming is both man-made and urgent, and a British public which increasingly doubts either to be true. 60 per cent of the British population now doubt the influence of humans on climate change, and more people than not think Global Warming won’t be as bad “as people say”.

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Rick Sharp

Timing is everything…

evanjones

Were we ever colder on that day
A million miles away
It seemed from all eternity
The moments seemed lost in all the noise
A snow storm a stimulating voice

hereticfringe

Let it snow! Let it snow! Let it snow!
I just love the irony!

Anyone else notice Accuweather’s headline today “Winter Lingers in the Northeast” referring to–like this London report–the “unseasonal” weather in the USA?
Winter LINGERS? Since winter is officially still more than a month away, were they referring to LAST winter lingering? Through the whole summer?
Or since the folks at Accuweather are GW Alarmists, maybe they were referring to winter as a season in general, implying that winter is simply “lingering” awhile longer but will eventually stop showing up at all.
Who knows?

TerryBixler

A once proud country humbled and on their knees to AGW. Even with deeper snow and cold the religion will be believed.

anna v

Μωραινει Κυριος ον βουλεται απολεσαι
Which translated word by word is “God turns into an idiot whom (He) wants to destroy”.
Well, laws can be repealed. 2050 is a number of parliaments away.
[REPLY: Our adroit turn of that phrase is: “Whom Gods destroy, they first make mad.” ~ Evan]

evanjones

Parliament has bitten off more than it can chew. Unless there is some serendipitous technological breakthrough, those goals are not going to be met. And if the recent cooling trend continues, the public is going to rise up and smite the miscreants.
Oh, I’m goin’ where the climate suits my clothes,
I’m goin’ where the climate suits my clothes.
(There he goes! )
Oh, I’m goin’ where the climate suits my clothes.
Oh, I ain’t gonna be treated thisaway!

Graeme Rodaughan

While I feel very sorry for the people of the UK, and I would not be suprised to hear of people freezing to death this winter, the silver lining is as follows.
It makes me feel sick to say this…
If there is a clear indication of economic suicide by a major western nation that can’t be mistaken for anything else – it will give an opportunity for the rest of us to realise the folly before we follow the UK down this path.
I hope something intervenes to stop so many being hurt by the folly of the few.

Graeme Rodaughan

I hope Evan is right.
With a bit of luck the UK public will decide it’s all too hard and start preparing for the (coal…) cold.
Building a few coal power stations will not only keep the UK warm in the upcoming harsh winters – but also provide energy security!

P Folkens

I imagine we should be prepared for similar ironies. The anticipated new administration will no doubt bring in Cap-and-Trade at Pelosi’s insistence at a time the real data is showing a reversion to the 20th Century mean temps. Fascinating, isn’t it? The computer modeled predictions are carrying more weight than the actual data. Hansen predicts a 1.2°C warming in 2008 compared with 1988, but the hard data says we’re closer to the 1988 conditions than we are to the model, yet the model seems to find more traction in the opinions of people in power.
If the AWGers get their way and we find the cooling trend of present continues, will they take responsibility for the effects of the cooler conditions — reduced agricultural production and starvation, increased demand on fuels to keep warm, increased cold-related deaths, etc.? Just wonderin’.

Leon Brozyna

And when the River Thames freezes over, it will doubtless still be considered an anomalous event caused by climate change.
Leave it to the Europeans to keep embracing the Precautionary Principle. It truly ought to be named the Sabot Principle, since its real aim is to end change and innovation and sabotage industrial health. For this to be a true principle, it ought to apply to all substances. So, if sufficient quantities of dihydrogen monoxide were to be administered to lab mice, the way other substances are tested, and the mice then die, then the intake and consumption of dihydrogen monoxide ought to be banned. So much for the soundness of this absurd ‘principle’. Since the depths to which politicians can sink in their effort to take care of us poor dumb peasants knows no limit, I’ll not be surprised to one day see a health label on water bottles warning of excess consumption of the product.
Of course, most politicians that pass such silly measures as was cited in the article will probably not be in office in the coming decades. All it will do is damage industry today while having little effect on emissions. Looks like the only people being fooled by their charade are the politicians themselves. But then, this is nothing new nor unique to the UK.

evanjones

A once proud country humbled and on their knees to AGW. Even with deeper snow and cold the religion will be believed.
Visions of Henry IV vs. Gregory VII . . . ?

Perry Debell

ZaNuLabour leaders are probably looking forward to the deaths of thousands of UK pensioners as a way of avoiding paying old age state pensions and balancing their books. The MSM will be useless and in the spring, the totalitarians will claim their prudent handling of the UK economy is showing results. Allegedly.
As portrayed in a TV series. “You may say that. I couldn’t possibly comment.

realist gun nut

Evan says:

[REPLY: Our adroit turn of that phrase is: “Whom Gods destroy, they first make mad.” ~ Evan]

Hmmm, not so adroit, really.
How about: Gods make mad those they wish to destroy.
One more word than yours but a better flow, I think.

evanjones

If the AWGers get their way and we find the cooling trend of present continues, will they take responsibility for the effects of the cooler conditions — reduced agricultural production and starvation, increased demand on fuels to keep warm, increased cold-related deaths, etc.? Just wonderin’.

When my fist clenches, crack it open
Before I use it and lose my cool
When I smile, tell me some bad news
Before I laugh and act like a fool
If I swallow anything evil
Put your finger down my throat
If I shiver, please give me a blanket
Keep me warm, let me wear your coat

No. They don’t get away with it. Not this time.

Graeme Rodaughan

P F,
I won’t hold my breath….
However I do grant that it would be possible for someone to come out and sincerely apologise – A true believer who has a damascus type reversal may make a public apology.
However the conmen and charlatans will never admit being at fault.

Richard111

Pensioners in the UK will die of cold because they can’t afford heating costs.
I am beginning to suspect this is deliberate. It will reduce pressure on
pension funds and the NHS and free up much needed housing.

Jolly chilly over here at the moment. Had to wipe snow off my car at 2pm today.
I had a little go at this topic a couple of days ago:
http://thefatbigot.blogspot.com/2008/10/simple-matter-of-duty.html

evanjones

Same here in The City.
The T-Max is freezing my G-Max!
(And the NAO is FMAO.)

Richard deSousa

The UK is being lead by idiots and the US is soon to follow since both Obama and McCain are proglobal warmers. Both countries are in for a nasty surprise if we experience another Dalton Minimum.

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JamesF

The UK is about to embark on a huge nuclear power station construction programme. With such high GHG reduction targets, the greenies won’t be able to stop it. Could this be part of the strategy?

Michael of Brisbane

We have our own homegrown idiots in Australia. Penny Wong and Kevin Rudd announced today the we to will have a “Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme”. It will be introduced in 2010 and will cost every citizen $1.00/day when it starts.
Notice the change in words from CO2 to carbon.
The whole population of Australia accounts for 1.2% of the worlds CO2 output and if we produce absolutely no CO2 China will make enough CO2 to replace our annual output in just two weeks. To reduce it to the levels expected in the green paper will take China just two days to replace our annual output.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24576357-952,00.html
And here is the green paper on this idiotic scheme.
http://www.climatechange.gov.au/greenpaper/factsheets/fs1.html

Phillip Bratby

Fortunately, although most politicians and most of the MSM are idiots over here in the UK, there are a lot of people who are not. See “Sheep Vote to Pull the Wool” by Prof Philip Stott (an eminently sensible chap) at http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Global_Warming_Politics/A_Hot_Topic_Blog/A_Hot_Topic_Blog.html

Eddi Honda

The Gore Effect!
Yesterday evening they showed “An inconvenient thruth” for the first time in german-speaking Free-TV.
Effect: This morning I wake up and look out of the window: Everything covered with snow!
I live in Zurich.
http://www.blick.ch

Ted Annonson

A little off topic —
I was just watching the Weather Channel, and the man said that the New England snow storm was caused by Global Warming. WOW!!! I was wondering how soon that tie in would be made. I guess that all these world wide cold records are just more proof of AGW.

Ted Annonson
redneck

We have all heard about the Al Gore effect. Earlier in the year when the ceremony for the Australian of the Year was held, at which Tim Flannery Australia’s own AGW fanatic was present, the weather was unseasonably cold. And now this.
If Gore, Hansen, Monbiot, Suzuki, Flannery, all those Hollywood and pop music celebreties who support AGW, along with the UK government go and camp out at the North Pole their presence could cause the artic ice pack to expand even faster than it currently is. Come on Al and company a small sacrifice from you can save the polar bear.

Derek Walton

In 204-05 (I recall) the UK had a measure of “excess winter death” of 34000. 34000 died in the winter above what could be expected (this is on the Office of National Statistics Website). I hate to think what will happen this year, especially with fuel price increases.

Flanagan

Well, you all must be right: all these scientists are plain idiots and all the politicians are much more stupid than you are. Actually, very smart people do not even try to do science or politics – they leave this to the common minds.

Peter Hearnden

A lot of the usual bru ha ha and conspiracy theorising from people who, it seems, don’t know the difference between weather and climate (or, more likely, choose not to know for propaganda purposes).
I’m from the UK. The weather is indeed cold atm, and may stay so for several days – I see no need to deny that reality. But, so far this year temperatures have averaged out above average, and we’ve seen several of the warmest years on record in the past ten – that’s another reality I don’t deny.

Mike Bryant

Hey guys, what’s the big deal? It’s just weather. And when the Thames freezes over? Just weather… And when 10,000 pensioners die freezing in their domiciles…
And when a great nation is brought to her knees, who will take care of her poor?
It’s just weather.

Fascinating!
The British parliament should instead of passing a bill on how to combat a hypothetical global temperature increase of 2 C during the next century, set up plan how to adapt to the real possibility of a global temperature drop of 2C during the next decade.

Steve Berry

Well I don’t know what you are all on about! We here in the UK have been passing laws and regulations on CO2 emissions for a few years now, and sure enough the temperature has gone down. Our policies have cooled the climate so much we can now look forward to a white Xmas. Quite clearly, these laws have worked!
All we need now is for our illustrious and dear leader to save the world on the credit crunch.
Nurse, nurse, the screens. And please take these sharp objects away.

Pierre Gosselin

Obviously I’ve underestimated the bureaucrats’ potential for folly.
How naive of me.
I always thought just another 0.5°C more cooling, and pols would drop the AGW nonsense like a hot potato.
Now it looks as if it will take another 1 or 2°C, i.e. a LIA, before these government dimwits wake up.
So never underestimate the potential for blithering absurdity by government.

Pierre Gosselin

Just when you think bureaucrats are about to see the light, do they go ahead and double their stupidity.

Alan the Brit

Over ingestion of Dihydrogen Monoxide kills faster than lead, radiation, asbestos, cancer, mercury, in fact just about most things, let’s get the wretched stuff banned for ever.
As to deliberate killings, this of course is nothing new historically although I would refrain from suggesting the current incumbent in Buck House is guilty. After the Spanish Armada was defeated by stout seamanship, skilled gunnery, better local knowledge, & bad weather used to advantage, the English fleet was left anchored at sea for months on the grounds that another “threat” could come at ant time. However, the Crown had to pay the seaman but only when they had done their “duty”, & keeping them at sea doing their “duty”, they wouldn’t be paid. More men died from sickness & disease as a direct result of this action, than were killed by Spanish canon! The “Crown” saved a fortune, so no news there then.
This country is just about washed up now, no other nation seems to be as bothered about CC/AGW. Unless the people can elect a decent opposition which does not have a AGW bent or fixation, then we’re done for. Law & order is in chaos, with AGWers allowed to break it at liberty without fear of legal redress, just because they alone have a God given right to save the planet! Sadly it will be the poor, elderly, & needy who will suffer, not the middle-class intellectual elitists who perpetuate this rubbish.
Stand firm America, but brace yourselves for some tough (dare I say ridiculous) times.
It is truly amazing how scientific fact gets in the way of pseudo science, & is then used as evidence to support the pseudo science! It rather reminds one of The Life of Brian, when the crowd, clearly looking for some direction & leadership, start following Brian around, claiming everything & anything is a “sign”. Sadly, this little comedy run will not end so amusingly I fear.
AtB
PS Last night’s repeat of Top Gear was wonderful – when they took a modified Toyota pick-up to the north pole rifle & all + a trained marksman to keep the PB’s at bay in 2007, summertime, you know when all the ice melted like never before, they got there in the end despite the horrendously difficult terrain. My goodness it looked a very beautiful, but very, very, very, cold & forbidding place! Curiously they didn’t see one British canoeist or sailor on the way.

PeteS

As a Brit, a retired physicist and an AWG sceptic I despair of our government and its official opposition passing this dangerous piece of legislation, What really surprises me is that our political leaders are so incredibly stupid not to, at least, leave themselves room for manoeuvre. Surely they know that mean global temperatures are stable now or even falling. Surely they have been advised of the serious scientific work that has produced clear evidence of solar and oceanic effects on climate. I cannot be the only one who has taken the trouble to write to his MP and the Energy and Climate Secretary Ed Miliband. I cannot believe that at least one scientific adviser has not drawn at least one senior politician’s attention to the possibility that the earth is entering a decadal period of cooling. And that they might just possibly be faced with a serious energy crisis, not in 40 or 50 years but in 2 or 3, and they could face the wrath of the population as they see aged relatives dying of hypothermia.
Just how can an entire assembly of over 600 politicians, barring 3 or 4, be so stupid as to believe without question the ravings of a crooked ex US vice president and the politically driven UN IPCC and not, at least, provide for a fall back position? Forget the science, this is just plain bad politics.

deepslope

Peter Hearnden (01:22:24) : ” … and we’ve seen several of the warmest years on record in the past ten…”
you may want to check those records carefully before spouting “… the usual bru ha ha and conspiracy theorising…”

Tim James

It makes me weep with frustration when I witness our elected representatives acting en masse against the interests of the country they purportedly represent.
It’s useless threatening to “vote for the other lot” because they’re all equally culpable. And when the ramshackle edifice of AGW collapses around their ears like the wonky house of cards that it is, they’ll just blame ‘the other lot’ and walk away from the whole sorry mess.
Such are politicians.

Rich

You are so missing the point. This isn’t England, it’s Camelot and these area our aims:
It’s true! It’s true! The crown has made it clear.
The climate must be perfect all the year.
A law was made a distant moon ago here:
July and August cannot be too hot.
And there’s a legal limit to the snow here
In Camelot.
The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot.
By order, summer lingers through September
In Camelot.
Camelot! Camelot!
I know it sounds a bit bizarre,
But in Camelot, Camelot
That’s how conditions are.
The rain may never fall till after sundown.
By eight, the morning fog must disappear.
In short, there’s simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.
Camelot! Camelot!
I know it gives a person pause,
But in Camelot, Camelot
Those are the legal laws.
The snow may never slush upon the hillside.
By nine p.m. the moonlight must appear.
In short, there’s simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.

Alan Chappell

Quote.
” those who are to smart to engage in politics, are punished by being governed by idiots.”
Plato 424-347 BC

rutger

massive snow in swiss alpes
over 50 cm at 1000m locally (and over 1 m at 2000m)
http://www.wzforum.de/forum2/read.php?8,1448508
..sweet..

niki01

ake two pails of water; fill one with hot water and the other one with cold water, and put them in the freezer. The hot one would be frozen before the cold one. But wait, you say, that’s counterintuitive: wouldn’t the hot water have to cool down to the temperature of the cold water before proceeding to freezing temperature, whereas the cold one has “less to go” before freezing?
—————-
niki
Drug Rehabilitation Programs

clique2

Per Strandberg (02:05:43) : said
“The British parliament should instead of passing a bill…..set up plan how to adapt to the real possibility of a global temperature drop of 2C during the next decade”
It dawns on me that, in fact, a lot of the technology, infrastructure, insulation, fuel efficiency etc is what you need to make the most of energy reserves during the next “LIA”.
All you have to do is drop the taxation aspect….Oh! Silly me, I knew there would be a catch!

Perry Debell

Phillip Bratby (00:32:45) :
You are absolutely correct in drawing attention to Professor Stott’s article. You beat me to it. His comments put me in mind of the old canard about how King Canute sat in a throne and commanded the sea to retreat in order to point out to his entourage of lickspittles and hangers on, that the king’s powers were those of a man and not of a super human, or even a deity’s. MPs cannot vote to change climate. It’s like claiming wet roads cause rain to fall. There is no feedback mechanism.
Thus, five UK MPs voted against the Climate Change Bill, demonstrating that only they have the wisdom of Canute and those ******* throwbacks have only the wisdom and knowledge of —– wait for it —–Cnuts.
Cnut being the alternative spelling for Canute. Clever eh? well I thought so, because to the pure in mind, all things are pure! The corollary being that one has to be corrupted to find offence in my post. I wish Smilies were available! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canute_the_Great
Perry

Frank. Lansner

Extremely early and massive snow in northern Spain!
Madrd has 5 degrees C.
Danish news:
http://vejret.tv2.dk/nyt/article.php/id-17381788.html

Chris Wright

This is so depressing. Did no one in Parliament question the basic reason behind this bill i.e. dangerous man-made warming? If the science were sound then this extraordinary irony – Parliament passing this bill when London experiences October snowfall for the first time in three quarters of a century – would be just that: an irony. But I can find no credible evidence to prove strong AGW. All the credible historical and scientific evidence shows that the climate is always changing and that the recent warming was not unprecedented but actually inevitable. And all the signs are that the warming that we enjoyed in the last century has ground to a halt and that the earth may be entering a cold period.
How can scientists and politicians get it so spectacularly wrong? Unfortunately it’s only too easy to answer that question, in fact with hindsight it was almost predictable.
Still, the recent Observer opinion poll showed that the majority of Britons don’t believe in AGW, and that they think that many scientists don’t believe, too. A recent poll in the US shows the same. The organisations that commissioned the polls are strongly pro-AGW, so the results are even more significant.
So there may be hope, but don’t hold your breath. Not so long ago I thought that evidence pointing toward another possible Little Ice Age might have been enough. But now it looks like we’ll have to descend into the next full Ice Age before these dangerous idiots come to their senses.
Chris

Tom in still chilly Florida

Perhaps the Gulf Stream is shutting down due to too much fresh water being injected from the Arctic ice melt over the last two years. That would certainly change the weather in the UK(I am waiting with steamy breath to hear that). Or perhaps it’s just ol’ Mother Earth acting the way it has been for millions of years (Not holding my breath to hear that one). Right about now, with the colder air in SW Florida, I could use a whole lot of warming. I think I’ll go out and chop down some trees and burn them.

TonyB

UK “Climate Change Bill”.
It really does look as though the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
I’m surprised they didn’t agree to cut the greenhouse gas emissions by 100% and have done with it. Rationality is in short supply in parliament.
The UK is acutely short of electricity generating capacity it would only take a severe cold snap or the Russians to cut gas supply to result in power cuts THIS YEAR
The government wants to build 10,000 3MW of shore windmills to generate 20% of the UK’s electricity (as required by the EU) this requires that’s 2 windmills/day are installed between now and 2020 and there is currently only one ship worldwide that can do this and no available construction capacity. The government conveniently ignores that 3MW is the installed capacity and that wind farms rarely exceed 25% practical efficiency thus 40,000 windmills would be required even if the wind could be encouraged to blow with the right strength at the right time.
We sell all our nuclear generating capacity to the French on the assumption that they will generously build enough new nuclear capacity to meet the UK’s needs
We allow that idiot Hansen to appear to defend the anti- coal protesters. Coal, clean or otherwise, is the only resource available quickly enough to meet the UK’s short/medium term energy requirements
Like Nero I think we might fiddle while Rome burns
The UK has no energy policy of any merit and will face an acute energy shortage over the next 10 years and has no rational politicians who could solve the problems.
Never mind we will all be forced to use low energy light bulbs by 2010 maybe this will solve all our problems :o(