St. Andrews Golf Course Doomed by Global Warming

Posted by John Goetz

Speculation abounds that the St Andrews golf course in Scotland will disappear by mid-century – a scant 42 years from now – due to global warming.

From theherald.co.uk.

Water hazard: how global warming could sink St Andrews Old Course

GRAEME SMITH

The world’s most famous golf course could crumble into the North Sea by the middle of this century, according to a climate change expert.

Professor Jan Bebbington, director of the St Andrews Sustainability Institute, visualises a town where locals remember with sorrow the last Open played on the Old Course, the home of golf.

She also foresees that Scotland will be a nation of car-sharing vegetarians and the declining population due to emigration will be offset by the allocation of 580,000 “climate change refugees”.

Does this mean we will never again see someone like David Duval whacking a golf ball against the side of a 17th hole pot bunker in futility?

UPDATE: Here is a Google Interactive map of St. Andrews Links, shown below. I assume the airport would fall victim to global warming also, though oddly there is no mention of it in the article.

Also, you can watch it “crumble into the sea” in real-time here with a choice of webcam views. Popcorn optional. – Anthony

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93 thoughts on “St. Andrews Golf Course Doomed by Global Warming

  1. This is how they keep the world ignorant.
    I also know the are paid for it.

    Would it not be a good idea to directly link these kind of articles to a counter article that states a more realistic view of the future.
    A link to watt’s up with that could increase it’s hit rate further.

    It is a bit of work but maybe it could be an additional tool to promote the cause of CO2 loving inhabitants in this world.

  2. So an accountant is a ‘climate change expert’.

    A google search reveals ..”Biography Jan qualified as a chartered accountant in New Zealand where she also held her first academic post before moving to the UK to pursue her academic career. Previously Professor of Accounting at the University of Aberdeen, Jan is actively engaged in many aspects of the application of academic research in sustainable development to practice in industry, non–profit and political organisations..”

  3. I spent 2 years in St. Andrews doing my Masters. The old course is rather high up, but could be under threat from erosion, but I doubt it. The beach that runs along the side of the old course was used for the film “Chariots of Fire”, youtube has the Vangelis video showing how high up the course is.
    Another point is that Scotland is on the rise, and Southern England is sinking. During the last ice age a mile of so of ice sat on Scotland and it cause the British Isles to tip up, Scotland sank and England rose up. Since the ice has gone, Scotland has been on the rebound rising steadly, and Southern England is sinking.

    If you get a chance, do visit St. Andrews, it is a great place. You can have a look at the chemisty Dept., that was built on the side of a clay hill. It was sliding downward at 1-2 mm per year last time I was there.

  4. What drivel. When the Old Course at St Andrews goes under water – which it will again one day like it has been inundated in the past – I will not be here to see it and there will be a lot more to worry about than just this. Anyway, there will be plenty of time to build a big bund around it to keep out the rising seawater. Just hope the AGW proponents descendents are outside the bund……

  5. Things to blame on AGW:
    Polar bear cannabalism
    Change in inuit language
    Less vivid autumns
    and now….
    the sinking of St. Andrews into the sea

    This is becoming very entertaining.

  6. I just checked on Google Earth and was disturbed to find that the North Sea is entirely at sea level or below. If current trends continue, all seven seas will be underwater within 30 years, as will all freshwater bodies.

    This is a scary, scary trend – and I can only hope that after the next election the USSR (United States Socialist Republic) will chip in and do their to prevent this tragedy.

  7. I suppose they could always switch to water polo. But then there’s that bit about how to get the scuba gear onto the horses….hmm…..

  8. So what?

    Another gloom-and-doom scenario being presented all in the name of saving the planet. If it’s not islands located along plate boundaries that are being sucked down by subduction, it’s foolish people building homes and businesses on barrier islands. Islands and seashores are very pretty and may be nice places to visit, but don’t stop the world to for a foolish attempt at freezing time.

    Climate changes – always has, always will. So does geologic activity. Steering a course of economic suicide will not change that and will only succeed in making us all poorer with no gain.

  9. Just ask anyone living in the Catskills this autumn. This has been the best foliage season in dacades. Just a brief talk with some old-timers will quickly reveal that.

  10. I’m sure that golf can be played underwater without any impact on the entertainment value…

    So how is this going to hurt?

    In fact, surely this will provide an improved habitat for local fish – which must be a good thing…

  11. There is something to what the Professor says. Sitting, as I do, on the little island featured in this piece I am well aware that climate change causes bits of it to disappear every year. It’s the edge, you see. We have an edge. It runs all around the … well, the edge. Water goes splishy splashy and knocks bits off the edge into the briny mass.

    It wouldn’t happen if the water sat still as it is supposed to do. But that nasty old climate causes it to swish around, rise up and down and wreak mayhem where there should be perfect stability.

    St Andrews might well lose holes. It has happened to many links courses. That is the nature of a links course, by definition it is on the area linking the established stable land to the coast. That’s why that land was chosen for recreational purposes. The nice green stuff inland was used for sheep and wheat so people can eat (no vegetarians in those days, only real food). The sandy stuff below the cliffs was left alone and enjoyed by children in summer. The bit in between was spare, so people whacked a ball about on it to pass the time.

    It is not often you find a Greenie defending elite activities (unless they engage in them themselves, of course, in which case they defend them only for themselves). Golf generally is not elitist but a round on the Old Course at St Andrews will set you back £130 (I’m not up to speed on exchange rates but I think that’s about US$230).

  12. Hmmmm, is the rise in water an inch a year, like here in the States?

    An inch?? Maybe at Al Gore’s house. I think the average is about 2mm per year, has been for many centuries. But then it goes up AND down.

  13. Amazing how destructive little buggers we are with all our warming.

    I am assuming they will post the approriate warnings at the course, does that mean “winter rules” all year round now?

  14. Jeff Alberts
    Shame on you!
    Its not a golf course, but THE original course of which all others are mere copies. Plenty of other ones could be sacrificed but this one should be retained at all costs.
    Neil
    ps I earn my paltry living as a golf course architect

  15. Hip hip hooray !

    Isn’t the demise of St. Andrews is fantastic news for us Greenies ?

    Isn’t golf the exclusive sport of corporate executives ? The very same corporate executives that have raped and pillaged gaia ? Good riddence to their Disneyland of adult games.

    Won’t the St. Andrews penninsula be better-off when it is reclaimed by nature ? No more gas-powered lawn equipment, no more pesticides, no more corporate sponsor tents defiling the pristine Scottish bluffs ? The golf course is an insult to the earth. It is the pinnacle of man-over-nature. The greens are NOT NATURAL … the bunkers are NOT NATURAL … the linksland fairways are NOT NATURAL … Let mother gaia reclaim what is hers.

    Famous Scot, Ian McHarg penned “Design with Nature” 40 years ago. He warned that the beach is fragile and that man’s tramplings would cause just this sort of catastrophe !!!

    OMG !!! Wake up all you deniers !!! We are killing the earth !!!!

    Can you even IMAGINE how many errant golf balls are lodged deep in the bowels of St Andrews ? The horror … the horror.

  16. If I have said it once, I have said it a thousand times …

    As soon as the Hollywooden elite start abandoning their beachfront Malibu properties, then I will know that Global Warming is real. And that the seas are REALLY rising.

    I am still waiting.

  17. A great place to look at natural beach erosion is along the Oregon Coast. Sand spits that were created by artificial means (such as when jetties are built near bay and port entrances) slowly crawl up or down the coast depending on the action of waves. One beach gets destroyed only to be rebuilt further up or down the way.

    Just like CO2 is what makes plants green, erosion is what makes the world more interesting to look at. In fact, there is a good chance that your house or apartment is sitting in a town or city that looks the way it does because of erosion, and that bet works even if that house is in the forest somewhere.

    A sandy golf course on the coast eroding away? Meh.

  18. First haggis, now golf – is Scottish culture doomed by Global Warming??? Mind you, the Scots invented haggis, golf, curling and porridge and, of course, Scotch whiskey (whisky y’all) to make the others palatable. As long as no distilleries are imperilled, Scotland will flourish.

  19. At least 11 Tornados visible in that Google map of St Andrews. Must be Global Warming. Also a Lightning and a Phantom.

    RAF Leuchars with lots of CO2 producing aeroplanes……….

    And carbon dioxide is good for all golf course grasses/shrubs/trees…….

  20. You have to remember that Ms Bebbington is also vice-chair (Scotland) for the Sustainable Development Commission, a UK Government funded NGO which wastes loads of money producing all sorts of crap about sustainable living (full of veggies, AGW alarmists and tree-huggers without a single notion about how the world really works). Unfortunately our government is full of the same type of people full of the same type of crap, and they lap up this sort of nonsense.

  21. Here we go again ! Just yesterday we had a report in the UK about our most treasured coastal tourist spots about to be destroyed by “erosion and sea level rises caused by climate change” ! And what happens, the British press print this stuff almost verbatim and without question. Despite the knowledge that for the past 120 years, sea levels have risen on average between 1 and 2 mm per year, and that erosion has always been with us, nothing is said to counter these ludicrous claims.
    As an englishman I am disgusted with the way the media acts purely as a P.R. vehicle.
    Where are Bernstein and Woodward when you need them ??!

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  23. Serves them right I say, chasing a silly little ball around & beating it with a stick every now & then, daftest game ever invented IMHO! When they say the Holy Grail of games (Rugby Union for all you sad people out there) is threatened then I might stop & pause for thought.

    Anyway must go, I have to swim into town for a meeting treading water for an hour because the sea-level is so high over here in the south of England! I do hope Professor John Brignell at Number Watch adds this news to his oh so long list of all things caused by global warming!

  24. PS Perhaps Professor Bebbington shoul team up with Dr Raj Pouhchori from IPCC as he is the wrolds leading climatre scienc expert a I am lead to believe, & he has PhDs in Industrial Engineering & Economics, perfectly qualified in my view for the task in hand!

  25. A question for those in the know?

    http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/satellite/index.html

    Running the animation I see obvious white clouds and obvious dark areas (presumably no cloud). It’s an infrared image, I’d like to know if the more milky areas are indicative of cloud cover or something to do with the fact that the pictures are infrared. In Britain this weekend I could look up and see a brilliant clear blue sky, but looking back at the satelite images there was that apparent milky cloud cover over southern England.

  26. A blog post about a press report about a ‘speculative essay’. According to the foreward to the collection in which it appears

    The essays in this volume are not forecasts. Forecasting is a truly hazardous art …Rather, these essays are an exercise in imagineering, a word coined in 1940s America and defined as ‘the fine art of deciding how we go from here’.

    Jan Bebbington, an economist, was invited to contribute such an an essay to this collection imagining Scotland in 2050. The only reference to St Andrews Links is in an aside to the main text and runs …

    We limited the effects of some of these impacts by banning building in high risk areas (some 20 years before the actual impacts
    were felt), progressively investing in strengthening our infrastructure and making a managed retreat from vulnerable coastal locations. This was still a painful experience, especially as we lost many historical sites on coasts (for example, many of you will
    remember the sorrow at the last British Open played in St Andrews).

    Anyone interested in context can read the whole essay here . So I searched this non-forecast for the phrase ‘crumbling into the sea’ alas, in vain,

    Sorry to spoil rather a fun headline.

  27. A day in the life of Chicken Little

    “The sea is rising! The sea is rising!”

    “Oh, look it’s going down again.”

    “The sea is rising! The sea is rising!”

    “Oh, look it’s going down again.”

    Rich

  28. Ermmm.

    Scotland is RISING!

    The last ice age pressed Scotland down with the weight of the glaciers. Ever since Scotland has been slowly rising and still is.

    Shouldn’t she be informed on this well known phenomenom?

  29. What’s that on the end of the runway? A chalk representation of the Wickerman????

    It’s a sign of the Animists I tells ya!… It’s a portent of what’s to commmme!

    LOL.

  30. Doooomed. Doooomed, we are. Damned for all eternity…. To play golf in the Gulf.

    …. Ok. I’ll stop now….. ;-)

  31. Mike Nicholson “where are Bernstein and Woodward”? well Chris Booker and Chris Monckton (Lord Monckton is a Scottish peer) make an interesting pair in this respect, like Mac and Mac of Jolly Hockey Sticks (perhaps, now, Jolliffe’s Hockey Sticks, ie broken, if one looks properly).

    My primer gets this line too “all the president’s men”. Somewhere Bernstein and Woodward must be waiting in the wings. I’d most like to see more DEBATES in public with good debaters and good publicity. Meanwhile, I’ve written “Climate Wars and Honourable Weapons” since I’ve been much challenged in myself, preparing to go hear Iain Stewart at Southampton next week.

  32. Any of you U.K. residents a fan of the program Time Team?

    Why is it that the archaeologists on that show always need to dig down a meter or so underneath the current top soil to find roads, remains of townships, buildings, camp fires etc, etc, etc. Always digging down … in some cases up to two meters to get down to the level of a two thousand year old Roman road bed. One metre to get to remnants only 500 years old. How did all this top layer get on top of the road?

    Must have been a lot of climate change over the centuries.

  33. here’s a headline I would like to see,
    Mt Everest found to be rising 15 times faster than sea level!
    Hope for human salvation from global warming!

  34. Pamela Gray (22:18:42) :

    A great place to look at natural beach erosion is along the Oregon Coast. Sand spits that were created by artificial means (such as when jetties are built near bay and port entrances) slowly crawl up or down the coast depending on the action of waves. One beach gets destroyed only to be rebuilt further up or down the way.

    Old Cape Cod is another great spot for erosion. Old is the wrong word – it is a terminal moraine leftover from the last Ice Age and the eastern side erodes on average a few feet per year, much more when a strong nor’easter (e.g. 1978) rolls by. Eroded sand is transported north and adds to the hook at the end of the cape.

    http://woodshole.er.usgs.gov/staffpages/boldale/capecod/

    The remarkable decline in average wind speed at the Blue Hill Observatory reflects a general decrease in severe storms in this reagion. Feel free to “blame” it on AGW.

  35. DocMartyn: “Another point is that Scotland is on the rise, and Southern England is sinking. During the last ice age a mile of so of ice sat on Scotland and it cause the British Isles to tip up, Scotland sank and England rose up. Since the ice has gone, Scotland has been on the rebound rising steadily, and Southern England is sinking.”

    A good point – East Anglia is where I’m originally from, and I understand this area to be gradually sinking by a couple of millimetres or so a year, which is roughly the same rate at which sea levels have generally been rising during the last century. People have known about this for some time, without being unduly panicked about it.

    Another point – despite glacial isostatic adjustment, sea levels appear to have been somewhat higher back in Roman times. The Norfolk coastline would have been very different, featuring a great estuary where there is dry land now. There was a recent news item about the place the Romans landed in England, down in Kent – again, quite a distance back from the sea now.

    So southern England has been very gradually sinking, and sea levels have fallen and then very gradually risen in recent millennia, but all this has been happening at a rate that need not inspire anyone with panic for centuries to come, if ever.

    So… Professor Babbington “visualises”, “foresees, “predicts”. Let’s see, I’m a bloke on the internet, almost as good as a director of a Sustainability Institute. Gazing into my crystal ball (computer monitor), I visualise, foresee and predict… the nation missing its stupid 80% CO2 reduction target and… the world not ending.

  36. “Why is it that the archaeologists on that show always need to dig down a meter or so underneath the current top soil to find roads………….”

    Ever tried digging up a meter above ground level!

  37. Les Francis (03:16:27) :

    Why is it that the archaeologists on that show always need to dig down a meter or so underneath the current top soil to find roads, remains of townships, buildings, camp fires etc, etc, etc. Always digging down …

    That’s because they’re smart enough to not explore sites that have been washed away.

  38. re: Lee Francis
    Darwin did work on chalk in his garden
    over 20 years or so the stones went underground
    Earthworms turning the soil up all the time was responsible.
    that’s why the artefacts are dopwn below
    i assume

  39. St.Andrews University is of course best known for its theology department.

    Estuarine deposit. Longshore drift. Isostatic rebound. That’s just geography.

  40. Factoid for the thread

    The unique geologic features of a golf course so desired and copied by golfers are the results of melting glaciers. Scotland’s famous golf courses are built on terminal moraines left by the retreating glaciers.

  41. Further proof that AGWers live in a wonderland of their own making. Do they know the difference between fact and fantasy any more? It would seem not. They seem to have reached their own “tipping point” of sanity.

  42. Well .. it might be a little chilly on Everest even in the gw winter and the air is a little thin but .. Lots for sale, I can get ya great financing:P lol Ahd the view, its to die for:)

  43. Further proof that AGWers live in a wonderland of their own making …

    Bruce – It seems that the press headline, the post here and the thread are based on a single (parenthesised) sentence lifted from a 100-page collection of speculative essays about the possible state of Scotland in 2050. I am sure Professor Bebbington would be amused at the significance her little aside has assumed. Must have been a slow news day.

    Lucy I have read a lot of Bernstein and Woodward. Booker and Monckton are no Bernstein and Woodward.

    JP.

    [Reply by John Goetz: Hence, the reason it is tagged “ridiculae”.]

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  46. Aviator,

    Ar Ye daft man! Ye forgot about the kilts – what would a Scotsman be without kilts!

    Mike

  47. Robbie Burns said it best-

    Wee, sleekit, cow’rin, tim’rous beastie,
    O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!
    Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
    Wi’ bickering brattle!
    I wad be laith to rin an’ chase thee,
    Wi’ murd’ring pattle!

    I’m truly sorry man’s dominion,
    Has broken nature’s social union,
    An’ justifies that ill opinion,
    Which makes thee startle
    At me, thy poor, earth-born companion,
    An’ fellow-mortal!

    I doubt na, whiles, but thou may thieve;
    What then? poor beastie, thou maun live!
    A daimen icker in a thrave
    ‘S a sma’ request;
    I’ll get a blessin wi’ the lave,
    An’ never miss’t!

    Thy wee bit housie, too, in ruin!
    It’s silly wa’s the win’s are strewin!
    An’ naething, now, to big a new ane,
    O’ foggage green!
    An’ bleak December’s winds ensuin,
    Baith snell an’ keen!

    Thou saw the fields laid bare an’ waste,
    An’ weary winter comin fast,
    An’ cozie here, beneath the blast,
    Thou thought to dwell-
    Till crash! the cruel coulter past
    Out thro’ thy cell.

    That wee bit heap o’ leaves an’ stibble,
    Has cost thee mony a weary nibble!
    Now thou’s turn’d out, for a’ thy trouble,
    But house or hald,
    To thole the winter’s sleety dribble,
    An’ cranreuch cauld!

    But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
    In proving foresight may be vain;
    The best-laid schemes o’ mice an ‘men
    Gang aft agley,
    An’lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
    For promis’d joy!

    Still thou art blest, compar’d wi’ me
    The present only toucheth thee:
    But, Och! I backward cast my e’e.
    On prospects drear!
    An’ forward, tho’ I canna see,
    I guess an’ fear!

  48. Bruce – It seems that the press headline, the post here and the thread are based on a single (parenthesised) sentence lifted from a 100-page collection of speculative essays about the possible state of Scotland in 2050.
    Yes, we know John. AGWer fairy tales, in other words. Only, instead of written for children they’re written for adults. As with children’s fairy tales they are chock full of hidden meaning, warnings, and lessons. Unfortunately, AGWer fairy tales are based on lies. Like I said, they live in their own wonderland. I guess they like it there.

  49. Oops. I misread this date.

    The historical map above is Circa 1890. So comparison is only valid for a little over a century.

  50. Offtopic: A British governmental report suggests a 1984-style society project. Derek Tipp with an interresting article link:

    http://climatescience.blogspot.com/2008/10/big-brother-alive-and-well-in-green.html

    The Register:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/26/carbon_spotchecks/

    15 mph speed limit for cars, almost no meat, individual CO2 emission control, a fine when you leave the city, etc., for >100000 people in 15 new cities. Those who plan this should live there.

  51. Patrick Henry : “..To thole the winter’s sleety dribble,
    An’ cranreuch cauld!…”

    Plenty of “sleety dribble” falling this winter in the Northern hemisphere this winter, no doubt. I had to look up “cranreuch”; it’s hoar frost or the “black ice” we get on winter roads; we’ll probably get a few patches of that as well, in due course.

  52. Jan Bebbington was interviewed on national radio yesterday evening, sounded like a prediction to me.(essay starts page 26)

    http://www.davidhumeinstitute.com/DHI%20Website/publications/hop/HOP%2079%20Reducing%20Carbon%20Emissions%20-%20the%20View%20from%202050.pdf

    I like the bit about the “Glasgow diet” Glasgow is famous for various chocolate bars covered in batter and deep fried.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4103415.stm

    I don’t see the scots taking to vegy Haggis

  53. The Britain that we knew in history is gone forever. Instead of being the home of the ‘few'; it is the home of surveillance cameras everywhere, more immigrants than natives and a PC political culture that is worthless. Churchill would turn over in his grave!

  54. paul (09:21:45) : ot but has anyone seen this story?

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/spider_invasion/

    Yes, I saw this on the BBC news this morning. I can see why they showed it – I mean, why mention the harmless creatures such as green parakeets, which have also thrived in the milder winters, when they can show us black widow spiders (!!!!) – or some similar-sounding nasties – which are flourishing due to man’s carbon wickedness.

  55. Well the problem is easily solved. the real cause for the decay of St Andrews, is that the golfers never replace their divots, so they just keep digging up the sod continuously.
    Simply levy a fine on every player at every hole, if he doesn’t restore his divots, and that problem will fix itself.

    And the water hazard shown will survive, if they look up “Water” in wikipedia, and then locate some of it to put in that sand hole; did somebody mention the North Sea; a likely source of “Water”, and fresh water too, when all that Greenland ice melts.

    I predict that St Andrews will outlive both Al Gore, and James Hansen; not to mention the IPCC.

  56. Here (south-eastern Norway) the *land* has risen ~40cm the last 100 years or so. Why? Because of ice melting! Actually it is the land bouncing back after the previous glaciation, so it isn’t because of any melting today.

    Now they tell us that the land will sink/seal level will rise ….. because of ice melting.

  57. The land at St Andrews is rising from post-glacial rebound by about 2 mms to 3 mms per year (25 mms equals 1 inch)

    Sea level has been increasing at 2.4 mms per year according to the latest measurements from Topex 1.

    So St. Andrews is probably safe.

    The sea level gauges at Aberdeen Scotland, just up the road from St. Andrews have been increasing at 0.6 mm per year.

    So, in about 1 hundred years, the sea level may have increased at St. Andrews by about 2 inches (hardly anything to worry about I’d say).

    The warmers claim to have science on their side, but every time one looks into the actual science behind some particular claim, one finds the warmers have it completely backwards and do not even bother checking what the science actually says.

  58. Considering that the Black Widow occurs naturally north to southern Alberta and Saskatchewan where winter temperatures are something like 20 degrees centigrade colder than in Britain I don’t really see the AGW angle.

  59. oh goody! underwater golf, one more sport introduced from these shores.no doubt the americans will transform it to something in tight fitting lycra,skimpy swim-suits,bronzed females…ooh thanks for the tip,i’m already looking forward to it.

  60. I can’t cite the expert, because I forgot his name, but he predicted (on Charlie Rose) that NY City would be inudated by AGW-induced rising sea levels to the extent that Wall Street would be 20 feet under water.

    So that’s another benefit. Warmer is Better.

  61. In the words of Dr Robert Zimmerman (MusD honoris causa, 23 June 2004) of the University of St Andrews (founded 1413).

    Come gather ’round people
    Wherever you roam
    And admit that the waters
    Around you have grown
    And accept it that soon
    You’ll be drenched to the bone.
    If your time to you
    Is worth savin’
    Then you better start swimmin’
    Or you’ll sink like a stone
    For the times they are a-changin’.

    Sorry, bit of an open goal.

  62. Jan Bebbington was interviewed on national radio yesterday evening, sounded like a prediction to me.

    Let me explain how this works …

    The David Hulme Institute holds a seminar in which various participants imagine Scotland in 2050. As the introduction to the collected essays makes clear – these are not forecasts. Jan Bebbington makes her contribution in the form of an imagined speech, as she says ‘The world in which the speech is being delivered is one where dangerous climate change has been unleashed,’

    I don’t see how that could be clearer. It is not a forecast, it is an imagined speech given in an imaginary Scotland in which dangerous climate change is assumed to have occurred. The speech includes the aside ‘we lost many historical sites on coasts (for example, many of you will remember the sorrow at the last British Open played in St Andrews).’

    But ‘economist speculates… ‘well, that’s not such a good headline is it? Sso it has to become, in the Herald … Climate Change Expert predicts that St Andrews is doomed!. This is duly picked up by John Goetz, repeated here and we all have a lot of fun about those crazy AGW alarmists and their wacky doom and gloom predictions ….

    Fairy stories indeed.

  63. John Philip: “I don’t see how that could be clearer. It is not a forecast, it is an imagined speech given in an imaginary Scotland in which dangerous climate change is assumed to have occurred.”

    John, in this day and age where the majority of people have the attention span of a gnat, what is the purpose of this type of imagined speech? Perhaps if it came from George Lucas it would be no big deal. I believe it is a proven formula for the indoctrination of the masses to a particular way of thinking. It is the start of the process: myths become legends, legends become facts, facts becomes history, history is taught to children. Of course if one is caught, they can always fall back on the position “it was only imaginary thinking”.

  64. tty (12:01:07) : “Considering that the Black Widow occurs naturally north to southern Alberta and Saskatchewan where winter temperatures are something like 20 degrees centigrade colder than in Britain I don’t really see the AGW angle.”

    Yes, they appear to have a wide range; and according to Wikipedia, the climate in Sweden is also suitable for them. However, the BBC do imply there is an angle: “Researchers believe arachnids arriving in imports of food and plants are now able to survive and spread thanks to the UK’s increasingly mild climate. The new inhabitants include a species of false widow spider and some believe the deadly black widow could be next to invade.”

    On their news site, they also announce “…a spokesperson for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) said that a new strategy was in place to “tackle the threat to the UK’s native biodiversity from unwanted pest species which have ‘hitchhiked’ into the UK on plants”.

    So there’s a right kind of biodiversity and a wrong kind…

  65. ‘The world in which the speech is being delivered is one where dangerous climate change has been unleashed,’
    Once upon a time in the not-too-distant future, a time where dangerous climate change has been unleashed, and in a land where many historical coastal sites including the beloved St. Andrews Golf Course have been lost…
    Wacko Alarmist Fairy Tales. What fun, eh John?

  66. GRAEME SMITH and Professor Jan Bebbington have now BOTH enjoyed their 15 minutes.
    Seems like Graeme should enjoy an additional 5 minutes for deliberately publishing Ms. Bebbington’s words completely out of context, but to what end?

    Nothing to see here…move along, move along.

    Jim

  67. One can also “imagine” the exact opposite to be true, or even worse not related to climate, so what’s the point?

  68. However, the BBC do imply there is an angle: “Researchers believe arachnids arriving in imports of food and plants are now able to survive and spread thanks to the UK’s increasingly mild climate. The new inhabitants include a species of false widow spider and some believe the deadly black widow could be next to invade.”

    Well, yes they do. “Increasingly mild climate” means warmer, or hadn’t you heard?

  69. Jeff Alberts (08:31:29) : “Well, yes they do. “Increasingly mild climate” means warmer, or hadn’t you heard?”

    To their credit, the BBC haven’t turned the story entirely into a “global warming triggers giant spider invasion” scare, but yes, I agree the implication is there. And milder conditions have also helped less scary species like chaffinches and butterflies to flourish, but we don’t hear so much about that.

  70. Well golf courses are the second most wasteful use of valuable real estate; so sending St Andrews to Davey Jones Locker will be no great loss. Maybe those water hazards, once the get real North sea water in them, will become habitat for an Atlantic salmon resurgence.

    It could start a whole new scuba diving cult; like Truk Lagoon, bringing divers from all over the world to plunge into the murky depths in the search for some Bobby Jones or Ben Hogan lost golfball. The Golfaeologists, will have new reasons to ask for government research grants.

    Hey so long as Bagpipes survive the demise of St Andrews, I don’t care.

  71. WRT: “To a Field Mouse”

    Thanks, Patrick Henry, for bringing this rare, if somwhat invidious insight to the fond memory of Robert Burns! Little known TIL NOW was the poet’s unfortunate obsession with this barbarous sport. Once more you literary vandals have helped strip away the veils of pleasure which we Romanticists had savored, as we allowed ourselves to be transported by the word and cadence and illusion of a grand old master.

    Is it really so necessary to picture him, up to his knickers in the rough of one of those hellish Scottish links, babbling to his ball (“little mousie”), to be disillusioned about the quaintly colloquial “murd’rin paddel” in reference to that barbarous 8 iron with which he went thrashing about the rye? Must we hear his handicap? Will you next be deconstructing his inspired line “The best laid plans…” from its predecessor: “the best lie…” ?

    Ahh life… Ohh Art!

  72. Claims for course erosion “due to Global Warming”, seem a bit shortsighted. Are such claims actually coming before insurers?

    It appears there are any number of beautiful golf courses built on the edges of cliffs. Someone might remind the (celebrity) architects of these course that anything built on a bed of sand or on the edge of the ocean is like to be impermanent. Claiming a bailout when it erodes or falls shows a pitiful naivety.

    “A survey last August of 50 links courses by Golf World revealed that in the past 20 years, three-fourths have suffered serious erosion and flooding, one-third have lost entire holes or parts of holes, two-thirds have taken steps to protect themselves from damage, and more than half are now working on long-term survival plans…”

    Some other missing links:

    Charleston SC:

    http://www.earthgolf.com/2007/12/12/charlestons-wild-dunes-loses-18th-hole-to-atlantic-ocean/

    Great Lakes, Michigan

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05EFDF1E39F934A2575BC0A96F958260

    And a pseudo-science “lesson”:

    http://members.aol.com/ruraleye/gowen4a.htm

    The question for governments, as I see it, is:

    Should private enterprise (which includes everyone from home-builders to golf course makers) be allowed to build and operate in locations where their long-term safety is endangered by natural forces (tides, tsunamis, floods, earthquake faults, volcanos, fires, etc)?

    OR

    Should government regulate where people build and live?

  73. In the days before all this AGW nonsense I was told that England was tilting very slowly so that the East coast was sinking and the West coast was rising. Has this been proved to be false or has it been replaced by the theory that the sea is now rising on all sides?
    Strange that we never seem to hear about places on the West coast being in danger of falling into the sea.

  74. George
    I have to disagree with you on that – so what is the first most wasteful? The piece of land on which you live? Do you imagine what would be at St Andrews if that golf course was not there? For starters, the town’s economy and tourism would take a huge dive and if you suggest it would be better used for agriculture, then you show a lack of understanding for why the linksland was used for recreation in the first place – it was not suited to agriculture, all except for a period when The Old Course co-existed with a rabbit farming venture. Golf has provided, and continues to provide an outdoor sporting experience in the fresh air for many millions of people, that can’t be bad can it?

  75. Individual EU members are trying to back out of the 2020 CO2 reduction commitments which estimated costs are currently calculated at about 100 billion euro’s.
    see: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1851066,00.html

    The article refers to a series of pictures that are presented as “proof” of what will happen to our world if no “action” is undertaken.

    http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1828013_1743791,00.html

    Is it possible that Anthony takes a look at those pictures and provides us with the real cause of the problems visualized in this presentation?

    I am confident that most problems have nothing to do with CO2 emissions and will not be solved by an investment of 100 billion euro in…thin air.

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