E-Cars Reduce CO2 Emissions By Only 41% Compared To Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles

From the NoTricksZone

By P Gosselin

Germany’s online FOCUS magazine has a commentary by Sebastian Viehmann on the fallacy of “Zero Emissions” and the EU’s misleading tailpipe measurements.

Viehmann argues that labeling electric vehicles (EVs) as completely “zero-emission” is misleading. While EVs do not have a tailpipe, their carbon footprint depends heavily on how the electricity used to charge them is generated—especially since fossil-fuel plants often supply power during high-demand nighttime and evening hours.

Extracting the raw materials that are needed to build the cars, especially the batteries, is far from being friendly to the environment.

E-cars fall far short of true climate neutrality

Citing research from KIT (Karlsruhe Institute of Technology) and a study from the Technical University of Munich (TUM) that anayzed 19 studies and 47 scenarios, the FOCUS article notes that battery-electric vehicles typically reduce CO2 emissions by only about 41% compared to combustion engines, falling far short of true climate neutrality. E cars

Viehmann also criticizes the EU’s regulatory approach of measuring emissions solely at the tailpipe, arguing that this political focus creates a distorted picture, allegedly supported by lobbying efforts to force the mass adoption of electric cars.

““This ‘tailpipe’ approach by the EU, i.e., measuring emissions only at the exhaust pipe, was always nonsense and can only be explained by the EU wanting to politically push the electric car and even paying lobby organizations like ‘Transport & Environment’ to influence MPs,” Viehmann writes.

The FOCUS author concludes that eliminating EVs is not the solution, as they still significantly reduce emissions. However, the author calls for a more honest and open approach, suggesting that alternative non-fossil fuels (like e-fuels or HVO) should be promoted for combustion engines, and that EU climate targets for the transport sector may need to be adjusted to realistic levels to prevent the economic dismantling of the European automotive industry.

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October 23, 2026 2:14 am

“E-Cars Reduce CO2 Emissions By Only 41% Compared To Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles”
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If the new Quality control manager reduced quality problems by 41% I’d say he was doing pretty good.

That does not mean that reducing CO2 is a laudable goal, it is not.

Colin Belshaw
Reply to  Steve Case
October 23, 2026 4:35 am

A reduction of 41% sounds impressive . . . but does this provide a true picture?
I believe not. In fact . . . definitely not!
An EV will typically require 5x the amount of metals to construct compared to an equivalent ICEV. And this means, for each EV constructed, 5x the amount of mining is required. And the global mining industry emits about the same amount of CO2 annually as the global aviation industry, with “transition” for both being equally problematic – totally uneconomic, if not physically impossible.
And then there’s the environmental damage that results from mining, even from operations governed by the most stringent environmental regulations, and anybody from the mining industry will know this – waste dumps, tailings dams, slag dumps, massive holes in the ground, often acid generation, land degradation, etc.
And then there’s the fact that there are 1.4 BILLION ICEVs in existence that MUST be replaced with EVs, of course, this requiring massively accelerating EV construction and sales globally . . . which actually makes the attempt to reduce CO2 emissions through adopting EVs totally counter-productive – the attempt will exponentially increase CO2 emissions.
And then, regarding net zero by 2050 itself, there is actually a very serious problem looming that very few people seem to have grasped – the impossibility of supplying the metals and minerals in the quantities and production rates that would be necessary to achieve net zero by 2050.
Copper is a good example:
Current global copper production is in the order of 25 million tonnes per annum (Mtpa) and global copper Reserves are 980 million tonnes. But the amount of copper requiring to be produced by 2050 to make the wind turbines, solar panels, batteries for EVs and the massive batteries that would be required for 28 days of storage, and to increase grid sizes by 3-fold is . . . 6 BILLION tonnes.
So, at current rates of global copper production, it would take 240 years to produce 6 BILLION tonnes . . . if the Reserves were there. But they’re not. Even so, if the Reserves were there, to produce 6 billion tonnes of copper by 2050, the annual production rate would have to be increased overnight by tomorrow morning from 25Mtpa to 250Mtpa – an absolute impossibility, I assure you – and existing Reserves would be depleted in less than less than 4 years.
“Just build more mines” you can hear an ignorant and stupid politician saying.
Well, from Resource (mineralised deposit) discovery – which takes years of painstaking geological exploration in itself – to operating producing mine is, AT BEST, a 15 year exercise.
So it ain’t going to happen – none of this net zero nonsense is achievable in the time scales envisaged, which means the whole concept has never been tested to even a scoping study-level of due diligence.
Bloody brilliant, really.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Colin Belshaw
October 23, 2026 8:10 am

|n May 2024 the University of Michigan published a study ‘Copper can’t be mined fast enough to electrify the US’

“Copper cannot be mined quickly enough to keep up with current US policy guidelines to transition the country’s electric and vehicle infrastructure to renewable energy”

The study examined 120 years of global data from copper mining companies and calculated how much copper the US electricity infrastructure and fleet of cars would need to upgrade to renewable energy.

They noted that the average time between discovering a new mineral deposit and getting a permit to mine was 20 years and found that between 2018 and 2050 the world would need to mine 115% more copper than had been mined in all human history up to 2018.

The study formed the backbone of a report from the International Energy Forum ‘Copper Mining and Vehicle Electrification’ (also May 2024).

“To electrify the global vehicle fleet requires bringing into production 55% more new mines than would otherwise be needed”

“New copper mines that started production between 2019 – 2022 took an average of 23 years from the time of resource discovery to be permitted, built and put into operation”

“Only 16 of the 224 copper deposits discovered since 1990 were found in the last decade despite much higher mining exploration budgets”

sherro01
Reply to  Colin Belshaw
October 23, 2026 3:01 pm

Colin,
As a Miner (retired now) can I ask why you have this knee-jerk mention of waste dumps, holes in ground acids and more?
Ever fly over parts of Canada, with lake after lake as part of the lovely scenery? So a Miner builds an open-cut pit which fills with water after use to make another lake? Do we have good lakes and bad lakes? Or the Miner digs a pit and builds a hill of waste rock. Are there good hills and bad hills?
You might say that there ARE bad lakes with acids from sulphides common in mines, and bad hill again with problems like sulphides, mercury, lead, radioactivity or other mildly dangerous toxins if people get close enough to them. But Nature emplaced all these culprits. The Miners simply moved them one place to another. The benefits from the mined products far outweigh the drawbacks, which is why mining has evolved and prospered. Can’t make omelettes without breaking eggs.
So please, all readers and writers here, bite your tongue before you do that reflex action related to “dirty Miners” syndrome that is like TDS, an invention by miserable people often called greens who fail to “always look on the bright side of Life.”
……

The rest of your words are fine. We Miners are forever looking at supply/demand/effects on price as a core part of business. People like greens who protest a lot can protest as much as they wish, but they cannot change fundamentals like the natural endowment of a resource that can be mined. Miners know their games better than onlookers. Mining in not running ragged in advanced economies. It is handicapped far too much by the bleats of the ignorati.
Geoff S

Colin Belshaw
Reply to  sherro01
October 24, 2026 12:03 am

Geoff,
Forgive me, but it would appear you have done very little of your mining in Africa or Russia in particular, or a multitude of other places around the world. On the Zambian Copperbelt, for example, the caving area along tens of kilometers of line of strike will not be recoverable. And even in Cornwall, the mess and pollution of hundreds of years of mining is still there. However, CO2 greening has definitely helped . . . so it’s now less in your face.
Civilisation is entirely dependent upon mining, no doubt, but when additional mining is demanded – as long as it’s somewhere else, of course – because doing so will somehow save the planet, then it’s perhaps time to resort to some choice words of Anglo-Saxon . . . as we miners often do!!
Colin B, FIMMM.

John XB
Reply to  Steve Case
October 23, 2026 8:07 am

Always the three pertinent questions to ask:-

Compared to what?

At what cost?

What is the evidence?

SwedeTex
Reply to  Steve Case
October 23, 2026 9:48 am

But if that quality control manager claimed he was reducing quality problems by 100% you would fire him for being dishonest. Agree 100% with your CO2 statement.

October 23, 2026 2:58 am

“… non-fossil fuels (like e-fuels or HVO)…”
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What is HVO?

Reply to  Steve Case
October 23, 2026 4:26 am

I asked Google’s AI. It said, “HVO stands for Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil, a second-generation, paraffinic renewable diesel or bio-based liquid fuel.”

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 23, 2026 7:26 am

Thanks, I could have looked it up too, but at 3AM I was just too lazy.

Reply to  Steve Case
October 23, 2026 7:41 am

I have no idea what hydrotreated means. That can’t be done without another expense of energy, I presume. Heck, I’m now lazy all day every day and proud of it. 🙂

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 23, 2026 8:44 am

What they are talking about is the used fat out of the chip fryer and things like that.

Reply to  Oldseadog
October 23, 2026 11:01 am

that seems like it must be a grubby fuel with all sorts of negatives

Michael Flynn
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 23, 2026 4:18 pm

Some years ago, a colleague of mine supposedly used filtered and dewatered used fryer oil in his old German diesel car. Not trying to save the planet, just mean. Different injector technology, of course, and unsuitable for modern systems.

But anyway, the only reported difference was the exhaust smell – smelled like hot fryer oil!

He gave up eventually. Too much effort for the final outcome.

Denis
Reply to  Steve Case
October 23, 2026 5:36 am

Vegetable oil, and the world’s crops cannot even come close to producing enough to keep IC vehicles operating and feed the world.

Reply to  Denis
October 23, 2026 6:07 am

Not Dubya’s greatest idea.

1saveenergy
Reply to  Steve Case
October 23, 2026 1:38 pm

Rudolf Diesel showed that his engine could operate on vegetable oils, including peanut oil, at the 1900 Paris World Exhibition. 

Mike Larkin
October 23, 2026 3:25 am

The pro EV mob never address the actual pollution as a result of their production.

Not only the incredibly toxic, persistent by products of processing rare earths, but also the significantly increased particulate generation by their tires courtesy of their increased road weight.

AWG
Reply to  Mike Larkin
October 23, 2026 4:24 am

I’m ambivalent on the EV matter. Whatever fits your use case. The pollution, whether in the manufacture, the operation, maintenance and eventual disposal, is a pointless sideshow.

There was a fitness guru in the D/FW area decades ago that promoted a Cheese Pizza pattern for people who were struggling with eating the wrong things. You start with “I want a deep-dish, cheese crust, ultra-mega-supreme-deluxe-kings-ransom toppings pizza”. He would ask, “Is there anything you could do to make that healthier?” Then you are supposed to remove or replace an ingredient that is an acceptable compromise of what you want and what you should have. Repeat this pattern until you say, “No More, I’m Ordering the Rice Cake”. The point being, is that if you nit-pick each and every thing away from what you desire to where you are supposed to be, there are two things that you are agreeing to: That you know better and otherwise lack the discipline without the nagging/coaching. The hidden issue “what you are supposed to do” because that is something that is external and often is learned as a form of propaganda supporting vanity.

You wanted A, but you were manipulated into accepting B, and by iterative small steps of acceptance “extra cheese = bad”, “sausage = bad”, “thick-crust = bad” you end up starving or eating rice cakes.

And that is what EVs typically are. Is EV technology useful? Hell yes. Amazing acceleration, quiet operation, cheaper to build and maintain. What about ecology? Now you are picking sausage off the pizza, you are debating over black olives or pepperoni.

If you just hiked, in the middle of summer, from the base of the Grand Canyon to the rim, you are going to eat, without any compromise the Ultra-Mega-Supreme-Deluxe-Kings-Ransom Pizza. Why? Because you can. Because you want to. Because you need the calories. Are there better choices? Who cares? This use case justifies the carb/fat/protein loading AND YOU WANT TO.

Do you want ICE over EV or vice versa? Does it satisfy your use case? Do you really care about pineapple on your pizza?

As far as the rare-earth hand wringing, I would love to see a study of supply chains between ICE and EV viewed from the position of engaging with different cultures and economic groups. Does cobalt mining suck? For those in first world nations, yes. For those who are either going to starve or dig cobalt out of the ground? Different and more complicated answer.

Colin Belshaw
Reply to  AWG
October 23, 2026 4:47 am

Your comments are childish in the extreme – sickeningly stupid, in fact – and I must assume you have never seen women and children involved in artisanal mining operations in Africa.

MarkW
Reply to  AWG
October 23, 2026 8:33 am

For someone who claims to be ambivalent, you sure do wax eloquent regarding the alleged benefits of EVs.

Reply to  Mike Larkin
October 23, 2026 4:24 am

Yet, they really think they are vastly more intelligent than what they consider the knuckle dragging ff users.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 23, 2026 8:35 am

The left has convinced themselves that they are the smart ones.
They must be, their far left instructors have assured them of this since pre-school.

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 10:58 am

They are in some ways- but not in politics. Advanced education doesn’t make anyone smarter in politics because politics is all about selfishness while imagining and pretending its not.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 23, 2026 1:20 pm

They may cram more facts into your noggin, but it doesn’t make you any smarter.
That goes double when most of the facts being crammed aren’t true in the first place.

Michael Flynn
October 23, 2026 3:35 am

. . . their carbon footprint depends . . .

What is a “carbon footprint”? Is it bigger than an “elephant footprint”?

If you step into an “elephant footprint” you might twist your ankle, and that might be painful.

A “carbon footprint” sounds like some scary pseudoscientific jargon – meaningless, but sounds pretty dangerous.

MrGrimNasty
October 23, 2026 3:37 am

Policy in the UK is consigning thousands of perfectly reliable useable highly emission controlled and clean middle-aged cars to the scrap heap with disproportionately punitive VED rates. These cars are typically owned by relatively low annual mileage drivers. With their embedded CO2, it makes no sense to switch to an EV. Doing 3000-5000 miles a year, it’s highly unlikely an EV will ever reach the break even point for the CO2 embedded in their manufacture.

Scissor
Reply to  MrGrimNasty
October 23, 2026 3:52 am

Yes, and we are already seeing that EVs become obsolete sooner, as evidenced by their large and rapid depreciation in resale value.

Also, tire wear generated far more particulate emissions that similar sized ICE vehicles.

Reply to  MrGrimNasty
October 23, 2026 4:29 am

Here in Wokeachusetts, amazingly, if your car is 15 years old or older, and it fails the emissions test, they’ll accept it. That’s true of my 22 year old Toyota Tacoma, which otherwise, with a little rust, runs fine at about 180K miles on it. Not sure exactly what the emissions test tests- probably some actual pollutants, not CO2. If they did test for CO2, of course they’d force me to junk an otherwise decent geriatric truck. 🙂

jchr12
October 23, 2026 3:46 am

A rather misleading headline, but as the author states, when we include the toxicity in the extraction of minerals for manufacturing batteries, let alone their end of life disposal, the story becomes very different.

The truth can usually be found in the facts hidden by those promoting a product.

October 23, 2026 4:21 am

“their carbon footprint depends heavily on how the electricity used to charge them is generated”

Also, I think, isn’t there a loss of energy sending electricity down a wire to charge a car, compared to burning the fuel in the car? Or is that loss factored into the conclusion of this paper?

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 23, 2026 8:39 am

My guess is that they are assuming that since FF generated electricity and wind/solar generated electricity both have to be transmitted to the end user, that the transmission losses cancel out.

Out here in the real world, it turns out that wind/solar generators are located much further from population centers than are FF/nuclear generators, so the transmission losses will be higher.

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 11:00 am

Not just further away but scattered requiring more grid to reach it all. I presume all that extra grid has a cost- financially and in lost energy.

2hotel9
October 23, 2026 4:23 am

Any emissions reductions from EVs have been erased by all the leftards and muslims burning everything in sight across Europe. Hell, Hunga Tonga eruption did that five years ago.

strativarius
October 23, 2026 4:42 am

labeling electric vehicles (EVs) as completely “zero-emission” is misleading.

On the Nissan Leaf it says… zero emissions vehicle on the sides.

It’s marketing pure and simple; and it’s patently false.

strativarius
Reply to  strativarius
October 23, 2026 5:40 am

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Reply to  strativarius
October 23, 2026 6:50 pm

Yep.
It [and all EVs] should be labeled “displaced emission vehicle”.

strativarius
October 23, 2026 5:45 am

Friday funny – keeping up the sense of alarm…

Andy Burnham has cautioned against packing booze in emergency supply kits this winter.
A blackout is coming one way or another…

He said this morning:

“I’m not sure that that’s the top of the list in terms of the advice that we’re giving to the to the public. You need to have a clear head when it comes to a challenging situation.

“So yeah, some tins of food, some bottled water. But I’m sure people are allowed a glass or two as well to get them through a difficult situation…”

Wes Streeting warned Brits this morning to ‘prepare for the worst’ by packing essential items in the event of an attack. 

Er, trebles all round.

Mr.
Reply to  strativarius
October 23, 2026 11:38 am

wot, no PLASTIC containers of food or water?

Bruce Cobb
October 23, 2026 5:48 am

E-cars: Costly. Unreliable. Mandated by governments. Liked by few. A “solution” in search of a “problem”.
What’s not to like?

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 23, 2026 8:40 am

A solution that doesn’t work, for a problem that doesn’t exist.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 23, 2026 9:32 am

The Chinese company BYD is now selling certain models in Australia that are comparable in price to equivalent sized ICE vehicles. The disadvantage is a lower range on a full charge, but the advantages are significantly lower running costs and lower maintenance costs which are now not required to offset the previous higher purchase price. 

If you can charge your car at home, and don’t regularly drive long distances, then buying one of these BYD models may serve your purposes, save you money and raise your living standard.

Here are some details of the BYD Atto 1 Premium hatchback FWD.
1. Drive-away price around A$31,000 (about 21,800 US dollars).
2. Vehicle Warranty: 6 years / 150,000 km.
3. Battery Warranty: 8 years / 160,000 km
4. Driving Range: 310 km
5. Boot space: 1037L with rear seats folded. 

My current vehicle is a Kia Cerato hatchback ICE vehicle which has now expired its 7 year warranty, so I’ll be looking for a new vehicle within the next year or two. Years ago I switched from a petrol chainsaw to a battery chainsaw, and from a petrol brushcutter to a battery brushcutter. I was very impressed, and surprisingly, they don’t appear to be any heavier, and are generally much easier to use, and have required no maintenance, apart from sharpening or replacing the saw chain and brush blade.

I’m not concerned about reducing CO2 emissions, but I am concerned about real pollution.

MarkW
Reply to  Vincent
October 23, 2026 9:52 am

When government heavily taxes your competition, anything can be made to look cheap.
You are ignoring depreciation.

Mr.
Reply to  Vincent
October 23, 2026 11:42 am

A battery chainsaw and battery brush cutter?
Do you just have some sort of a pussified rooftop garden or something to manicure?

Reply to  Mr.
October 23, 2026 7:26 pm

No. I have a 5 acre plot of woodland and grassland, parts of which have thick, tall grass, and shrubs, which need a brushcutter rather than a lawnmower. I often cut down tree that are too close to the house, or too close to a garden patch, then cut the trees into small pieces for mulching, using my battery chainsaw. I recharge the battery whilst I spend time raking up the cut branches, and doing other jobs.

Mr.
Reply to  Vincent
October 23, 2026 10:07 pm

I had to do 10 acres.

Plus,
I love the smell of 2-stroke in the morning.

Reply to  Mr.
October 24, 2026 12:50 am

You seem to be in the same category as those guys who prefer ICE vehicles because they like the roar of the engine as they accelerate. (wink)

Mr.
Reply to  Vincent
October 24, 2026 4:26 am

I did like motor racing when I was a lad.
But now I just want to travel comfortably from A to B and back again, without having to worry about whether I’ll have to lay over at B for several hours while my ride gets juiced up again for the return trip.

kwinterkorn
Reply to  Vincent
October 23, 2026 11:45 am

Yes, I think it is great to buy cheap products made by cheap, government-controlled, essentially slave labor. (sarcasm).

Ask yourself, why are Chinese cars so cheap? Should we suffer a bad conscience when we buy such things or just cynically go on about our day?

Reply to  kwinterkorn
October 23, 2026 8:03 pm

“Ask yourself, why are Chinese cars so cheap?”

I did. Then I asked Google AI.
To summarise their response:

The affordability of Chinese vehicles is driven by a massive structural shift in manufacturing, supply chain control, and development speed.

China’s massive pool of software and automotive engineers allows them to design and iterate vehicle platforms rapidly. Because their R&D spend is spread over a vastly larger volume of vehicles, the engineering cost per car is a fraction of what Western major automakers pay.

When it comes to the actual building, welding, and painting of vehicles, China operates at the absolute cutting edge of industrial automation.

Major Chinese EV players like BYD, Xiaomi, and Geely operate “smart manufacturing” facilities where hundreds of automated arms construct vehicles with minimal human intervention. In these facilities, human workers are primarily restricted to data monitoring, software calibration, and final quality checks.

Chinese EV brands are also leading the world in piloting full-size humanoid robots on assembly lines to handle tasks like material sorting, safety inspections, and intricate parts handling.

However, it is true that forced labour is used in the mining and processing of some of the materials used in the car manufacturing process, such as aluminium, but this is only part of the reason for the low price of Chinese vehicles. Western countries also import many of these materials produced by forced labour.

Mike Larkin
Reply to  Vincent
October 23, 2026 4:13 pm

Given the extra costs inherent in an EV BYD should be selling ICE vehicles in Australia way under that $31k price mark.

It shows just how thoroughly Chinese EV manufacturers are being subsidized to dump vehicles in foreign markets below cost.

The objective is to drive all other manufacturers out of business.

Reply to  Mike Larkin
October 23, 2026 6:56 pm

“Given the extra costs inherent in an EV BYD should be selling ICE vehicles in Australia way under that $31k price mark.”

BYD no longer produces ICE vehicles, but Chinese ICE vehicles are still the cheapest ICE vehicles in Australia. However, the lowest price BEVs are now equal to the lowest price ICE vehicles, both Chinese.

Here are some examples. Prices in Australian dollars.

“BYD Atto 1 Essential Electric (China) $19,990
MG 3 Vibe Petrol (ICE) (China) $19,990

MG ZS Vibe Petrol (ICE) (China) $22,990
Chery Tiggo 4 Urban Petrol (ICE) (China) $23,990″

From Google AI

“Even though these Chinese ICE vehicles represent the bottom line of pricing, they no longer feel “cheap”. Base models like the MG 3 Vibe come standard with adaptive cruise control, automatic transmissions, and large digital touchscreens, which used to be locked behind premium tiers in legacy Japanese or European brands.”

Reply to  Mike Larkin
October 23, 2026 7:09 pm

ML:
Exactly. The CCP must keep the Chinese citizens pacified by keeping them employed regardless of the economics of the industry involved. The subsidies will continue, and they’ll dump the exess product on any & all nations gullible enough to agree. And if the recipient nation’s industries are bankrupted, then it just locks-in another customer: a double-win for the CCP. A triple-win if you include the geo-strategic implications.
The poster child for this scenario is the EU [plus the UK]. Of course, for these nations their climate [energy] policies have accelerated their own demise.
Very sad.

Coach Springer
October 23, 2026 6:06 am

If you want to reduce your CO2 consumption, it’s going to cost you. If you don’t want to reduce your CO2, it’s going to cost you, too, because someone else wants to.

MarkW
October 23, 2026 8:29 am

Are they comparing like to like?
Such as, are the EV and IC vehicles similar in size?
Are the cars being used in similar fashions?
Are the cars in similar climate zones, so that heating and cooling requirements comparable.
And so on?

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 8:30 am

Were all of the studies referenced published in “reputable”, “peer reviewed” journals?

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 8:49 am

Are there any reputable peer reviewed journals left?

MarkW
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 23, 2026 9:53 am

According to our trolls, any journal that only publishes what they want to see, is reputable.

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 7:42 pm

MW:
Here is a long 2019 MIT report that looks at the full life cycle of BEV vs ICE – from digging up the needed minerals to recycling the car at end-of-life; their comparators were a Tesla S vs a comparably equiped Toyota Camry. They also looked at life-cycle total CO2 emissions for each.
IIRC the Tesla would need to be driven 50,000 to 80,000 miles to breakeven on CO2 emissions with the Camry. The spread depended on the source of electricity: say, hydro or nuclear vs coal.
It assumes you drive 15k miles/yr and never have to replace the battery [or engine/transmission].

https://energy.mit.edu/system/files/resources/migrated/Insights-into-Future-Mobility.pdf

MarkW
Reply to  B Zipperer
October 24, 2026 10:15 am

Your Camry motor/transmission will last 150,000 to 200,000 miles.
You will replace the battery at least twice over that time.

October 23, 2026 8:59 am

Something I would like to see a quantitative analysis of is how centralized electricity generation and distribution and then battery storage is so much more efficient that individual vehicle engines .
I think hybrids with the advantage of 4 wheel vectored power and regenerative breaking make the most sense .

Chuck Wiese
October 23, 2026 12:47 pm

IMO, this whole assumption that human emissions of CO2 to the atmosphere control the magnitude and direction of the total are a bunch of malarky, just like all the crazy claims about CO2 controlling the earth’s climate and cause every type of severe weather or weather disaster that occurs on earth.

This is the biggest scientific fraud and racket I have ever seen that amounts to nothing more than money grubbing and grifting by academia who falsely have proclaimed “climate models” work and can be used to create public policy with, just like those who claim humans are responsible for all the increase in atmospheric CO2 since the start of the industrial revolution. The politicians that have been funding the university research are just as guilty and driven by greed and a lust to control the world economies with this nonsense and their desire for power, hiding behind these failed models that academia gave them cover for.

The founding principles from atmospheric science demonstrated years ago that atmospheric CO2 has no power to drive earth temperature, weather, severe weather or control any part of the earth climate because of its interaction with the hydrological cycle that maintains a stable optical depth as integrated over all IR wavenumbers. Elsasser, et. al proved the original work of Arrhenius, Tyndal wrong. None of these principles has ever been disproven. Instead, those important and founding principles were supplanted with failed “climate models” that have no ability to accurately project earth temperature, weather or any other factors because of the inherent limitations of these models that are no different in that regard than a short-term weather forecast model is.

There are now 3 papers that have been released that demonstrate in addition that humans DO NOT drive the increases or decreases in the atmospheric CO2 levels. Look up the work of Berry ( 2023) Cohler and Soon (2026) Then French in Health Physics. All reaching the same conclusion but with different methods which is astounding.

But even if you assumed incorrectly that humans drive the atmospheric CO2 concentration, you’d be committing a human genocide to ever try and reach a “net zero” emission claim on a carbon rich planet like earth. We need carbon and CO2 for life! It’s impossible to ever get to “net zero”. These ridiculous “green energy” programs that have littered the beautiful earth landscape with these ugly windmills and solar farms are inefficient and costly piles of junk to ever meet future power load demands and have costed $ Trillions, including lavishly expensive “green energy” that is also driving up fuel costs. What did we get for all of this effort to date? NOTHING! How are those atmospheric CO2 levels doing for any proclaimed decreased in emissions since the start of all these taxes and programs? Upward and onward because humans aren’t controlling this. Nature is.

This is a big fat and ugly fail to the entire political class and academia that has been supporting all of this and it’s about time they all fess up and own it. They are hurting the public and helping to destroy economic growth.

bo
October 24, 2026 2:19 pm

There was a story the other day in the WSJ https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/chevy-bolt-electric-vehicle-road-trip-e908d420, where one of their auto columnists took the cheapest EV available in the US into the “charging desert” of the south. If memory serves (article is now paywalled) he went 937 miles at a charging cost of $140. My Audi S5, which easily gets 34mpg on the highway, would have no problem with 30mpg on the route taken for the article. At the $4.50/gal I am currently paying for gas, that works out to $141. The Honda and Toyota ICE equivalents to the Bolt are rated at 36mpg and 35mpg combined. Where are the massive savings the EV fanboys claim? Only available with home charging?