The Climate Narrative is Collapsing

The climate house of cards is collapsing, as became clear last week at the IPCC meeting in Ethiopia. The climate narrative has never had any substance, and now that the flow of funding is being cut off, there will soon be nothing left, says Wim Röst, Chair of the Clintel Board.

Guest Post by Drs. Wim Röst

What exactly did we just see happening in Ethiopia? The IPCC, the UN Climate Panel (a self-appointed organisation), met there with representatives from 195 countries to prepare for what was supposed to be a major UN climate summit in 2028. In principle, a new IPCC assessment report (the seventh) was to be produced prior to that summit, but there was no funding and no agreement, not even on the report’s publication date.

Google AI Mode described the conclusion of the summit in Addis Ababa, the capital of Ethiopia, as follows:

“An unprecedentedly fierce political battle raged throughout the week over the timeline for the seventh major climate report (AR7).

Proponents of urgency (including European countries and island states): Want the report to be fully completed by 2028 at the latest. This is crucial to serve as the scientific basis for the important UN climate summit (Global Stocktake) in that same year.

Opponents (including Saudi Arabia, China, India and Russia): Called for a delay until 2029. Officially, they argue that poorer countries need more time to contribute, but behind the scenes it is believed that this is an attempt to reduce the political pressure on the fossil fuel industry.

As IPCC decisions must be taken by full consensus, the outstanding issues regarding the timeline and the budget could not be resolved. The meeting will resume at a yet-to-be-determined date, as soon as possible, to continue the discussion.”

As long as there is money left, there will undoubtedly be a follow-up, and 195 delegations will once again fly to a central location to solve ‘the enormous climate problem’ that is ‘entirely caused by fossil fuels’.

This year’s Gulf crisis demonstrated that we cannot do without fossil fuels. Iran’s blocking of shipping lanes brought the supply of oil and gas to a standstill for a time and when combined with the war in Ukraine, the result was a massive increase in price and fuel shortages. Countries such as India, Pakistan and Bangladesh had to use their scarce energy supplies for purposes other than fertiliser production. Urea plants use natural gas as a raw material to produce the nitrogen-based fertiliser that is indispensable to their agriculture. Without this fertiliser, their agricultural production collapses, with immediate consequences for food prices and food security for tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people.

Numerous other factories that rely on fossil fuels to produce essential goods also ran into difficulties, and the least of the consequences were massive price rises. In such a situation, the poorest countries and the poorest populations are left behind, and this quickly amounts to a few billion people.

The Gulf War brought to light the utter impossibility of ‘Net Zero’. This is the deeper context of the current conflict within the IPCC. What was being pursued is completely impossible, quite apart from the widespread doubts about its necessity. No one can ignore it any longer: actually, stopping the production of all fossil fuels means nothing other than a ‘Zero Economy’.

And that is why the climate house of cards is now collapsing.

This article has been written in a personal capacity. It was first published on Clintel.nl. Dutch publications that served as a primary source can be found here and here.

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Scissor
October 22, 2026 6:04 am

Bloodletting is still practiced as an alternative form of medicine in some parts of the world.

Of course, there are actual benefits to phlebotomy for certain medical conditions, but it is not the cure to everything. It can take a while for reality to win out.

abolition man
Reply to  Scissor
October 22, 2026 8:37 am

I always found that donating blood was quite pleasant; a touch of lightheadedness combined with the feeling of doing something useful for others. Maybe that is part of the motivation for the various Marxist and anarchist demonstrators roaming the urban landscape today; they get high on their own self importance, as they burn and loot the shops of their fellow citizens; all in the name of saving the environment, or improving the schools!

Scissor
Reply to  abolition man
October 22, 2026 9:22 am

I typically donate 3 or 4 times a year and don’t find it particularly painful, although in my older age I experience a weakness and sometimes a headache. Like you I donate as a means to help others, particularly because I know multiple transfusions saved my life as a new born (mother was rh negative and I’m O+).

Anyway, I meant that superstitions can and do persist a long time. As parting words of wisdom, don’t step on cracks in the sidewalk.

old cocky
Reply to  Scissor
October 22, 2026 3:50 pm

Like you I donate as a means to help others

What about the 2 Arnotts Nice biscuits and the fruit juice or cup of tea?

Mr.
Reply to  old cocky
October 22, 2026 6:01 pm

Looooxury!

We got last Thursday’s scones, no butter, jam or whipped cream, and a well-used chipped mug of highly diluted Liptons mystery brew. No sugar of course, and you could smell the milk from the street outside.

And a piece of railway toilet paper to press over our bleeding hole in our arm.

But we were happy – a 1-hour distraction from the predictable joys of the usual working day 🙂

Bill Toland
October 22, 2026 6:08 am

It is becoming increasingly clear that Net Zero does not mean just zero fossil fuels, it also means zero food for most of the world. Of course, the radical Greens think that this is a good idea because they think that the world is overpopulated anyway.

October 22, 2026 6:17 am

> Drs. Wim Röst

How many Wims are there?

Wim Röst
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 6:33 am

As far as I know, there is only one Wim Röst. And ‘Drs.’ is not a plural form; it is the university degree I received back then upon completing my extensive (5.5-year) university studies in the Netherlands—something between a ‘master’s’ and a ‘PhD’.

Reply to  Wim Röst
October 22, 2026 6:45 am

You’re writing in English, Wim, and “Dr.” is the abbreviation:

https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Abbreviations/faq0110.html

Also note: abbreviation, not degree. You may have received a proof of your graduation by mail, but you did not receive these letters by mail. You can of course receive letters by mail, and these often contain letters.

Wim Röst
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 6:58 am

‘Dr.’ is the title for a doctorate (PhD). When I completed my studies, the title was ‘drs.’ (doctorandus), not ‘dr.’. According to Google AI, the study program I followed at the time corresponds to 300–330 ECTS credits, whereas a master’s degree typically requires 60–120 ECTS credits; what I completed is most comparable to ‘PhD candidacy’ or ‘MPhil status’. Consequently, there is no direct equivalent for the title I earned at that time.

Reply to  Wim Röst
October 22, 2026 7:43 am

Oh, I see. You’re saying you hold a doctorandus, which actually means “he who must become a doctor”. So you can’t say you’re a doctor in geography. Because you’re not a doctor in geography. You have not written a geography thesis.

Then perhaps you should ask “Google AI” about the difference between prefixes and suffixes.

Your name does not appear on on your About Us page. It does appear in the Dutch page. And there you’re just “de heer”. Which sounds about right.

Thanks for the clarification, Sir.

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 8:06 am

The term doctorandus is not synonymous with doctor (a holder of a doctorate in a given field), but rather the equivalent of a DEA (Diplôme d’études approfondies, or postgraduate diploma in advanced studies). Before the LMD reform (Licence-Master-Doctorat), in the Netherlands one obtained the title of doctorandus, or in France a DEA, upon completing all the “basic” university studies (Bac + 5), after which one could, if one wished, begin writing a doctoral thesis, the defence of which generally resulted in the award of the title of Doctor in a given field.

I am not aware of Mr Röst claiming to be a “Doctor of Geography”; he simply appends to his surname the title that legally corresponds to his level of education in the discipline to which he has devoted himself. He is entirely entitled to do so, and the title will remain his despite the reform that abolished the awarding of this title.

Reply to  Charles Armand
October 22, 2026 10:03 am

Entitlement is indeed the key word. “Google AI” suggests:

Do NOT write “Drs. Röst” in English: An English reader will think you are talking about multiple doctors (e.g., a husband and wife who are both physicians) rather than one man with a Master’s degree.

So the correct translation might very well be “Wim Röst, MSc”, the international way to dignify people with qualifications.

In some contexts, “Wim Röst, He who must become a doctor” might still be preferrable.

Colin Belshaw
Reply to  Charles Armand
October 22, 2026 2:44 pm

Well said, Charles. But, I must admit, I would have added . . . now just f#ck off.

Reply to  Colin Belshaw
October 22, 2026 3:19 pm

Pity you can’t say that to me directly, dearest Colin.

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 8:50 pm

Are you looking for a volunteer? You are being pedantic and officious and sufficiently annoying I just might consider being your ‘huckleberry.’ Have you nothing better to do with your time than acting like a pretentious ass?

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 22, 2026 10:32 pm

Was I asking you, Clyde?

Please beware your wishes.

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 7:05 am

Hallelujah! We have another obtuse nit-picker with us. With his tireless vigilance, English will undoubtedly cease to borrow from other languages, even for terms that have no orthodox equivalent.

Reply to  R Taylor
October 22, 2026 1:34 pm

The orthodox equivalent is ABD, R.

leefor
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 8:47 pm

“Absurd, Right”

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 8:56 pm

Not orthodox, just pretentious. An attempt to create an apparent importance where there is no distinction of substance. If he is using a title that was acceptable at the time it was awarded, he is well within his rights, and explained it adequately. Find something better to do to make yourself feel superior.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 22, 2026 10:30 pm

No distinction between what and what, Clyde, and do you know what “ABD” stands for? And no – Wim is not within his right to write “Drs” in English. I thought this was already made clear by the authority he himself invoked for his editorial.

Save your spit for when you have read the exchange.

Derg
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 12:08 pm

At least we can agree that net zero nonsense is dying while humanity is thriving.

Reply to  Derg
October 22, 2026 1:33 pm

As soon as we agree you stop beating hippies, Derg.

Derg
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 1:51 pm

Totally agree not to beat hippies. If that is your thing you do you.

Reply to  Derg
October 22, 2026 1:53 pm

All you need, then, is to stop.

When will you?

Derg
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 7:16 pm

You are beating hippies…strange

Reply to  Derg
October 22, 2026 7:22 pm

Troglodytes ain’t no hippies, Derg.

At least, not anymore.

MarkW
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 3:28 pm

Just because you are ignorant, don’t assume that everyone else has to be forced to be equally ignorant.

Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2026 4:01 pm

Love how you beg questions right after pinning yourself as a stickler to fallacy fluff, Mark.

JonasM
Reply to  Wim Röst
October 22, 2026 8:03 am

Learn something new every day. 🙂

Hans Henrik Hansen
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 6:34 am

One – plus a number of whims?? 😇

Reply to  Hans Henrik Hansen
October 22, 2026 6:47 am

There are indeed more whims than contrarians, although they tend to be similar whims.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
October 22, 2026 8:01 am

The only countries still holding on to the AGW narrative are those that want the money promised them when they signed up for the scam.

Wim Röst
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
October 22, 2026 8:40 am

Following the most recent COP conference in Brazil, the *First International Conference on the Just Transition Away from Fossil Fuels* was held in the Colombian port city of Santa Marta. This summit took place from April 24 to April 29, 2026. Of the 198 countries that typically attend UN climate conferences, only 57 were present—a fact that speaks volumes about the level of enthusiasm for “Net Zero.”

Among those 57, a group of 18—consisting of the host nation, Colombia, and almost exclusively small island states—called for a legally binding international “Fossil Fuel Treaty.” These small island states are the very ones that expect to receive funding from wealthy nations, under the premise that they are “drowning.” In reality, many of these islands show no signs of shrinking; in fact, many are actually growing in size.

Furthermore, it is striking that among the wealthy nations, it is primarily European countries that believe they can function without fossil fuels. It would seem that, of all the affluent regions, Europe is the most soundly asleep.

Sparta Nova 4
October 22, 2026 8:11 am

Beer and popcorn at ready.
Awaiting the torches and pitchforks.

Wait. France. Italy. Albania. All have started their parades.

Please note: I am aghast at the human suffering world wide.
I am against war.
I am against violence and destruction as both are senseless and add to the problems.

I am for freedom.
I am for liberty.

This is not the same world into which I was born.
My parents, as they raised me, did their best to equipment with the tool needed to face a changing, challenging world.
They could not predict the future.

So….
We acclimate.
We adapt.
We strive to contribute in positive ways.

I still wonder from time to time if there is intelligent life on this planet.

abolition man
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
October 22, 2026 8:26 am

SN4,
I agree with you wholeheartedly, especially lines 5-8! It looks like the chickens have come home to roost for the EUnuchs of Europe, without whose money the Climastrology bus will most likely soon run out of fuel!
Remember that humor and sarcasm are among the deadliest of weapons when dealing with the sociopaths in power; use them often, but keep the rest well oiled, with lots of ammo on hand!

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  abolition man
October 22, 2026 1:36 pm

I need not be reminded of the benefits of humor and sarcasm.
Ridicule, too.
Use those tools daily.

Scissor
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
October 22, 2026 9:29 am

I’m waiting for the riots in Poland to break out.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Scissor
October 22, 2026 1:37 pm

I definitely hope not.
There is already a lot of sadness in the world.
I can only hope happiness returns.
I will not hold my breath.

oeman50
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
October 23, 2026 5:44 am

Why, yes there is intelligent life. Porpoises are very smart.

October 22, 2026 8:38 am

Rapid warming of the climate is occurring and human activities are the cause:

1. Every National Science Academy in the world (there are 80) affirm. eg, 100.0%

2. Every Scientific Professional Organization in with expertise in atmospheric physics or climatology (there are abt 190) affirm. Eg, 100.0%

3. ~ 99% of Peer-reviewed scientific papers affirm

4. A study of the remaining ~1% that disputed the consensus were examined by a top scientific team, and fundamental errors were found in each

5. 95+% of actively researching climate scientists affirm it

This is an overwhelming scientific consensus among thousands of scientists working in many fields related to the climate , that mans activities are warming the climate. (Man’s activities = the burning of fossil fuels [primary] , the manufacturing of hydrofluorocarbons and sf6, and the release of NO2 and CH4 from man-caused activities)

Furthermore, the IPCC 6th Assessment — which is a summary of the state of the research — states that 109% of the warming is due to man. The 109% figure means that Man’s activities are responsible for 100% of the warming, and in addition, are offsetting what would have been a slow natural cooling cycle for the planet.

One should also remember that thousands of scientists, working in every country of the industrialized world, have contributed to the enormous body of scientific research (tens of thousands of peer reviewed papers) over decades.

Finally, if one looks at the problem from an insurance/risk viewpoint, we’d need far less than 95% confidence in order to justify action to forestall a threat to the planet’s life support system. 

Wim Röst
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 8:51 am

Numbers 1–5 all hold ‘paid positions’ and are dependent on the current system. The same applies to virtually everyone else you mention.

Reply to  Wim Röst
October 22, 2026 9:10 am

It appears you have substantive argument so you’re only recourse is to say “It’s all a conspiracy’. I.e., you have nothing at all.

Wim Röst
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 9:23 am

Anyone who immediately resorts to words like ‘conspiracy’ evidently lacks any substantive arguments of their own.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 10:04 am

Gebus, you’re an a$$. Nothing in your stupid list is evidence or proof of anything. It’s nothing more than a fallacious appeal to authority and biased political opinions, or just flat-out false and unsupported assertions.

Reply to  Phil R
October 22, 2026 10:11 am

> fallacious appeal to authority

I don’t think that means what you make it mean, Phil.

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 10:25 am

They’re all facts — which explains your profanity and your intellectual abuse of the logical appeal to authority, because you cant make any arguments with substance.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 6:58 pm

They’re all facts

Wrong.

gyan1
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 7:55 pm

“They’re all facts”

No they aren’t. They are hypothetical constructs being presented as scientific facts to dupe the scientifically illiterate. Multiple lines of empirical scientific evidence show most of it is preposterous pseudoscience.

Reply to  gyan1
October 22, 2026 8:03 pm

My reply is that you have no such “multiple lines of [contrary] evidence” to show and that you are lying.

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 10:26 am

Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. My wording of a quick comment may be a little awkward since my publisher didn’t have my comment peer-reviewed, but thanks for the nit pick.

Reply to  Phil R
October 22, 2026 10:31 am

Not all appeals to authority are fallacious, Phil. You need to show how it’s fallacious here.

MarkW
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 3:33 pm

All appeals to authority are invalid.
If you can support an argument, then do so.
If all you can declare is that there are people who you consider to be experts who also agree with you. Then you might as well admit that you are incapable of supporting your beliefs on your own.

Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2026 3:53 pm

That might explain why you never support anything, Mark, and prefer to argue by assertion.

It’s quite possible to support an argument by citing authorities, e.g.

In general, the use of argument from expert opinion is a reasonable, if inherently defeasible, type of argument. Appeals to expert opinion can be a legitimate form of obtaining advice or guidance for drawing tentative conclusions on an issue or problem where objective knowledge is unavailable or inconclusive. It is well recognized in law, for example, where expert testimony is treated as an important kind of evidence in a trial, even though it often leads to conflicting testimony, in a “battle of the experts.”

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/informal-logic/appeals-to-authority/F455E1D4279677917F379D9464A76060

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 6:55 pm

“guidance for drawing tentative conclusions”

Exactly where did Beeton mention “tentative” conslusions?

Reply to  Tim Gorman
October 22, 2026 7:07 pm

No need to mention that scientific claims are fallible, Tim.

Comes with the territory.

Reply to  Tim Gorman
October 22, 2026 9:06 pm

It is surprising how often you speak the words I’m thinking. 🙂

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 10:28 am

…or are you in full agreement with his appeal to authority and affirmation of consensus as establishing scientific truth?

Reply to  Phil R
October 22, 2026 10:33 am

> establishing scientific truth

You keep using these words, Phil.

They might mean what you make them mean.

But I doubt it.

MarkW
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 3:34 pm

I doubt you know what any of the words you use, mean.

Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2026 3:40 pm

We barely know each other, Mark.

Your doubt might very well be less than one Zacharia old.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 1:19 pm

It appears you think “consensus” means something in the field of science, so clearly YOU have nothing at all.

Reply to  AGW is Not Science
October 22, 2026 9:15 pm

“Why 100? If I were wrong, one would have been enough.” — Albert Einstein

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 6:58 pm

 you have nothing at all.

it is you who has nothing at all, Mr Twonk.

cgh
Reply to  Wim Röst
October 22, 2026 12:17 pm

It’s much worse than that. Of Beeton’s list, 3, 4, and 5 are simply lies. He also ignores the fact that consensus has nothing to do with scientific evidence.

Bill Toland
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 9:25 am

You seem rather confused. Nobody disputes that human activities have contributed to the modest beneficial warming of the last century. However, it is currently impossible to quantify how much of the warming is due solely to human behaviour. Anybody claiming otherwise is either lying or delusional. In any case, it doesn’t really matter since global warming is net beneficial.

Reply to  Bill Toland
October 22, 2026 9:27 am

Do you dispute anything in my post? What?

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 3:35 pm

I’m pretty sure you got your own name right.

Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2026 4:02 pm

Did Warren write his name *in his post*, Mark?

Reply to  Bill Toland
October 22, 2026 7:02 pm

Nobody disputes that human activities have contributed to the modest beneficial warming of the last century.

That is still faith based.

Scissor
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 9:36 am

I belong to the American Chemical Society. They do not allow any debate on the issue, nor have they queried its members to understand their positions. So, their 100% declaration is worth zero.

Reply to  Scissor
October 22, 2026 9:41 am

My post did not say that the ACS declared 100% of its members affirmed the consensus. It said 100% of the societies on the list affirmed the consensus. Yours included.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 10:07 am

“affirmed the consensus”

You still have no idea what the scientific method is.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 12:17 pm

The societies affirmed it, without polling the members. Sounds like tyranny to me.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 22, 2026 7:52 pm

Oh, those poor babies whose minority views didn’t prevail. They should stomp their feet and demand mommy bring them their bottles.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 9:21 am

If they weren’t polled, how do you know that those opinions were in the minority?

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 9:40 am

How do you know they weren’t? You’re the one whining about tyranny.

Reply to  Scissor
October 22, 2026 1:25 pm

Just like every other scientific organization, they don’t want discussion or debate because it would torpedo thei bullshit assertions.

Reply to  Scissor
October 22, 2026 1:50 pm

Harold The Organic Chemist Asks:
Why are the members of the ACS such chemists cowards? The ACS should issue a policy stating that CO2 does not cause any warming of the air. This is simple to do. The ACS should issue this simple statment:

At the MLO in Hawaii, the concentration of CO2 in dry air is currently 426 parts per million by volume. One cubic meter of this air has a mass of 1,290 grams and contains a mere 0.84 grams at STP. This small amount of CO2 can have no effect on such a large amount of air, on the weather or the climate.

How much money does the ACS get from the US Gov.? Perhaps the ACS officers did not want to challenge the Obama and Biden polices on greenhouse gas emission and thus risk losing funding.

Scissor
Reply to  Harold Pierce
October 22, 2026 7:51 pm

A lot of chemists are working on projects related to “climate change.” If those projects are cancelled, then for some time those chemists are unemployed and would not pay dues to ACS.

Reply to  Harold Pierce
October 23, 2026 6:10 am

“This small amount of CO2 can have no effect on such a large amount of air, on the weather or the climate.”
Actually it can and does.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Harold Pierce
October 23, 2026 6:36 am

Harold:

You present an argument from incredulity….

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0925400515305566

“The stratospheric ozone layer contains about 90% of total ozone in atmosphere, with a concentration of approx. 2–8 ppm.”

That’s ~ 0.5% to 2% of CO2’s concentration in the Troposphere.

Yet it does this for us …..

“Without Earth’s stratospheric ozone layer, intense ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the sun would reach the surface unblocked, causing rapid and catastrophic collapse of nearly all life.”

https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/what-if/what-if-ozone-layer-disappeared.htm 

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 10:12 am

overwhelming scientific consensus

1. Miasma Theory
For centuries, doctors and scholars believed diseases such as cholera, plague and typhoid were spread by “bad air” arising from foul-smelling places.

The idea seemed reasonable. Areas with poor sanitation often smelled unpleasant, and those same places tended to suffer higher rates of disease. At the time, nobody knew that bacteria and viruses existed, so the connection between foul smells and illness appeared obvious.

The theory began to unravel in the nineteenth century. John Snow’s investigation of the 1854 cholera outbreak in London linked the disease to contaminated water rather than bad air. Later, the work of Louis Pasteur, Robert Koch, and others established germ theory, demonstrating that microorganisms were responsible for many diseases.

Takeaway: Observations can point in the right direction while still leading to the wrong explanation.

2. Geocentrism
For much of recorded history, the accepted view was that the Earth occupied the centre of the universe and that the Sun, planets and stars revolved around it.

This wasn’t an unreasonable conclusion. Looking up at the sky, everything appears to move around a stationary Earth. The Ptolemaic system could also predict planetary motion with a fair degree of accuracy, which gave it credibility.

The model eventually gave way to heliocentrism. Copernicus proposed that the Earth orbited the Sun, Galileo’s observations provided supporting evidence, and Kepler’s laws of planetary motion explained how the planets moved. Newton later provided the physical explanation through his theory of gravity.

Takeaway: What appears self-evident is not always correct.

3. Phlogiston Theory
Before modern chemistry emerged, many scientists believed combustible materials contained a substance known as “phlogiston”, which was released when something burned.

The theory seemed to explain both combustion and rusting, and for a time it was widely accepted as the best available explanation.

Its downfall came through careful measurement. Antoine Lavoisier demonstrated that combustion involved materials combining with oxygen rather than releasing an invisible substance. In some cases, materials actually gained weight when burned, directly contradicting what phlogiston theory predicted.

Takeaway: Better evidence often overturns ideas that once seemed perfectly logical.

4. The Luminiferous Ether
In the nineteenth century, physicists generally believed that light travelled through a mysterious medium known as the ether.

The reasoning was straightforward. Every known wave, whether sound or water waves, required a medium through which to travel. It therefore seemed natural to assume light required one as well.
The problem was that nobody could find it. The famous Michelson-Morley experiment failed to detect any evidence of the ether’s existence. Einstein’s theory of special relativity later showed that light did not require a medium at all.

Takeaway: Even well-reasoned assumptions can collapse when confronted with experimental evidence.

5. Fixed Continents
Before the development of plate tectonics, most geologists believed that continents and ocean basins were essentially permanent features that did not move.

When Alfred Wegener proposed continental drift in the early twentieth century, many scientists dismissed the idea because he could not explain how entire continents could shift across the Earth’s surface.

Over time, evidence accumulated. The discovery of mid-ocean ridges, seafloor spreading, and the movement of tectonic plates eventually transformed geology. What had earlier seemed implausible became the foundation of modern Earth science.

Takeaway: A theory can be broadly correct even if the mechanism behind it has not yet been discovered.

Reply to  Redge
October 22, 2026 10:40 am

in the scientific method, which you’ve evidently forgotten, when sufficient evidence accumulates that confirms a hypothesis, that hypothesis is accepted as valid scientific theory. That is the situation with anthropogenic climate change , and since no contradictory evidence has ever been found, the 95%+ scientific consensus is that modern day rapid warming of the planet is caused by human activities, primarily the emission of CO2 (about 37 billion tonnes annually) into the atmosphere and oceans due to the burning of fossil fuels.

Wim Röst
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 11:09 am

Finding ‘some evidence’ a thousand times is insufficient if a single instance of hard proof is missing.

The word ‘proof’ does not appear anywhere in the text of the IPCC AR6 WGI scientific report—not even after the involvement of thousands, if not tens of thousands, of scientists from a wide range of backgrounds over the nearly 40-year existence of the IPCC.

Reply to  Wim Röst
October 22, 2026 12:04 pm

Proof should be reserved to alcohol beverages and formal stuff, Wim.

MarkW
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 3:38 pm

I’m not surprised that you don’t think proof is necessary in science.

Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2026 4:04 pm

Neither am I surprised you have no idea what’s a proof, Mark.

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 6:59 pm

You display the mark of a real scientist! /sarc

Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 22, 2026 7:03 pm

Science is just an extension of common sense, Jim.

First, work on common sense.

Reply to  Wim Röst
October 22, 2026 3:32 pm

All scientists know that proofs are only for math. Evidence is for Science.

Mr.
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 6:18 pm

“proofs are only for math”

Correct.

“Evidence” is in the realm of presentation.

(ie – it is accepted on the basis of how convincing the “pitch” is, and how unwilling the acceptors are to exercise any levels of challenge / skepticism)

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 7:00 pm

Evidence is created from experiment.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 23, 2026 12:39 am

Trouble is Jim, we can’t put the Earth into a lab to experiment with it.

All experiments with CO2 in a lab confirm it is a GHG, and that path length is required to determine its absorption through the atmosphere and hence its GH (no pedantic stuff about real GHs pse) effect.
We know that T^4 operates (?) and that it gets colder with height.
Do you dispute that LWIR to space passes from molecule to molecule on its way to space. If so, why?
(no LWIR does not emit at the same frequency that it was absorbed by the CO2 molecule).

As I and now Willard have said – you don’t do common-sense, and your above posed statement re experiments regarding the operating GHE in Earth’s atmosphere is beyond any common-sense.
Please for once use it to answer that question above.

Wim Röst
Reply to  Anthony Banton
October 23, 2026 2:08 am

Anthony, Earth’s surface temperatures are not determined by infrared radiation from the surface, but rather by the evaporative-convective system, which is driven by surface temperature itself.

As the surface temperature rises, the strength of this convective system increases exponentially. Conversely, when the temperature drops, the convective cooling system also declines exponentially—a process that effectively dictates the surface temperature.

This implies that the convective system holds an immense cooling potential. Any rise in surface temperature—regardless of the cause—triggers a significantly intensified cooling of the surface, which is precisely where we take our temperature measurements.

Focusing exclusively on the radiation-based narrative overlooks the very factor that acts as the most dynamic element in surface cooling—and which, consequently, almost entirely “sets” the surface temperature.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Wim Röst
October 23, 2026 7:53 am

“Anthony, Earth’s surface temperatures are not determined by infrared radiation from the surface, but rather by the evaporative-convective system, which is driven by surface temperature itself.”

Not entirely no, but it ultimately must pass into space via radiation.

Don’t forget that although ~160 W/m^2 is absorbed at the surface, a further 78 is absorbed by the atmosphere (which predominantly leaves via radiation).

Just looking at surface convection/LH heat transport misses the full picture.
Surface convection does not always go up to the Tropopause, and radiation from cloud tops that are halted below that comprises a sig prop of convection’s operation in heat transport – which then has to leave to space via radiation (~ 200 W/m^2).

That leases the 40 W/m^2 that leaves from the surface via the atmospheric window.

So to dismiss radiation as the ultimate mechanism just because it does not all come the surface is wrong-headed IMO.
(I assume BTW that you reject the following diagram) …

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“Focusing exclusively on the radiation-based narrative overlooks the very factor that acts as the most dynamic element in surface cooling—and which, consequently, almost entirely “sets” the surface temperature.”

It does, that plus the ambient air-mass low-level temp (and obviosly ASR).

Wim, radiation and it’s attenuation by GHGs is something that has a potential to be mitgated by mankind.
Convection (dry/wet) not so much.

And however people try to avoid it the increase of the Earth’s GHE is is causing modern warming (again I accept you do not agree).

Wim Röst
Reply to  Anthony Banton
October 23, 2026 9:47 am

Anthony Banton: “I assume BTW that you reject the following diagram”

WR: There is indeed a new and improved version of it. It is found in this 2011 article: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10712-011-9150-2 The caption for the attached figure reads: “The global annual mean earth’s energy budget for 2000–2005 (W m−2). The broad arrows indicate the schematic flow of energy in proportion to their importance. Adapted from Trenberth et al. (2009) with changes noted in the text”. So, it is the most recent version by Trenberth and Fasullo and the corrected one. In the figure you ca read that the atmospheric window is only 22 W/m2, meaning, nearly no surface radiation is able to reach space, only some 5.6%.

This means there is very little room left to add anything further to the primary warming effect. Consequently, there is not much left for additional CO2 to contribute.

Link van de afbeelding:comment image

Reply to  Anthony Banton
October 23, 2026 6:58 am

“All experiments with CO2 in a lab confirm it is a GHG”

No, they don’t. They only confirm that CO2 can radiate in all directions.

What happens to the energy directed at earth is a completely different matter.

Common sense seems to tell you that the energy will warm the earth. In fact, that is wrong.

  1. the energy reflected back to earth is energy that has already been lost by the earth
  2. CO2 is not a perfect reflector

If the earth emits X and gets cX back then the net loss is X – cX. You *still* get cooling. It’s just not as fast as if c=0 .

Planck addressed this in his tome on heat transport. I suggest you get a copy and read it for meaning and context.

I’ve attached a simple graph showing two curves, one with faster cooling than the other. The actual heat loss is the area under the curve. That heat lost from the upper curve representing slower cooling is GREATER than the heat lost from the faster curve. That is what Planck was getting at.

Yes, common sense is a good thing. But the entirety of the problem posed must be known for common sense to make sense of it.

heat_loss_graph
Reply to  Tim Gorman
October 23, 2026 7:04 am

Gorman,
Quit gaslighting everyone. Your contention that co2 is not a greenhouse gas is no better than the ignorant comments of a flat earther. Just despicable.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 7:24 am

Is that all you have? That CO2 is a GHG? What Tim is trying to show you is that CO2 IS A GHG. His graph shows what CO2 can do.

You betray your inability to comprehend and use mathematics to model real physical phenomenon.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 23, 2026 7:51 am

Why do those calling the gasses GHE’s not understand that they can only return PART of what the earth sends out?

The earth doesn’t retain that reflected heat, IT RE-EMITS IT.

Only in climate science is slower cooling considered to cause the temperature to go higher than when it started!

Reply to  Tim Gorman
October 23, 2026 7:56 am

Did you forget that ghgs send half of the ir back to earth? You’re really stupid, Gorman. Earth retains that added heat and warms, and as a result emits more ir at a slightly shorter wavelength.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 23, 2026 7:52 am

Do you now contradict yourself and agree co2 is a ghg? What do you believe, Gorman? Your own lies? Or Science.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 7:32 am

There is no greenhouse effect.

I gave you the simple math and even a PICTURE of what happens.

X – cX > 0

How do you dispute that simple math?

If c is even 90%, i.e. if CO2 reflects 90% of that it gets directly back to earth, the earth will still lose X(1-.9) = .1X

That’s a heat LOSS. I.e. cooling.

How can you dispute that?

The only way that can be warming is if CO2 “reflects” back more than it received. CO2 is not on fire so I don’t know how that can happen.

CAN YOU REFUTE THE MATH?

Or are you just going to whine some more?

Reply to  Tim Gorman
October 23, 2026 7:51 am

You’re still gaslighting, Gorman.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 7:57 am

You haven’t refuted a single thing I’ve posted. NOT ONE.

You can’t even show where my math and/or physics is wrong.

All you can do is whine.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 11:10 am

What an idiot. Here is how that “consensus” came about. The most widely cited paper re: consensus was published by John Cook and has been uncritically accepted by people who did not bother to examine it. The paper claims to have examined 11,944 papers between 1991 and 2011 and is what Obama referenced in his 97% consensus claim. Quote from Cook: “The Scientific consensus is that human activity is very likely causing most of the current global warming”. This statement is based on his findings, but his findings showed that only 0.3% of papers examined expressly stated that position – not 97% as is constantly bandied about. Here is the breakdown as shown at https://co2coalition.org/2021/10/31/97-consensus-what-consensus/
–       11,944 Abstracts (1991-2011) reviewed – 100%
–       7930 were arbitrarily excluded for expressing no opinion – 66.4%
–       3896 were marked as agreeing that we cause some warming – 32.6%
–       64 were marked as stating we caused most of the warming – 0.5%
–       41 actually state that we caused most of the warming since 1950 – 0.3%
–       0 were marked as endorsing man-made catastrophe – 0%

In other words, the entire consensus narrative is simply one more fabrication embraced by true believers.

Meanwhile, the World Climate Declaration has garnered 2072 signatures to date from scientists in 64 countries stating that there is no climate emergency. Before that, there was the Petition Project that garnered over 31,000 signatures. Of course, those pushing the CAGW narrative worked to smear both efforts, but what is more believable, a falsified report prepared by a climate activist or actual statements signed by actual climate scientists?  
  
A little more re: co2 being a major driver of temperature. According to https://co2coalition.org/facts/

“Climate scientists have determined, and both sides agree, that the warming effect of each molecule of CO2 decreases significantly (logarithmically) as its concentration increases. This is one reason why there was no runaway greenhouse warming when the concentration of CO2 was approaching 20 times that of today”.

Current co2 level is about 430 ppm which is closer to plant starvation level than optimal level for plant growth. Also, in geologic history, co2 levels have been as high as 7000 ppm and when dinosaurs roamed, it was between 2500-3500 ppm. Vostok ice core data show that co2 levels increase followed temperatures increased over the last 420,000 years and other data show poor correlation over longer geologic history.  And, of that 430 or so PPM, human contribution is between 3&5% meaning that humans contribute a whopping 21 ppm, so be afraid, very afraid.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Barnes Moore
October 22, 2026 1:57 pm

“Meanwhile, the World Climate Declaration has garnered 2072 signatures to date from scientists in 64 countries stating that there is no climate emergency.”

Out of how many scientists? There are somewhere between 8 to 10 million scientists worldwide so if 2072 is the number opposing the consensus then over 99.9% of scientists agree.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 22, 2026 2:13 pm

You’ve managed to demonstrate that logic is not your strong point.

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 22, 2026 3:39 pm

It doesn’t matter how invalid the experiment, if it supports the consensus, it is correct.

Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2026 4:05 pm

Wait, Mark.

Weren’t you supposed to cry “APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!” right after Barnes mentioned the World Climate Declaration?

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 5:00 pm

A great one!

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 9:26 am

Are you really that desperate to find anyone who agrees with you?

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 9:40 am

Still here, King?

MarkW
Reply to  Willard
October 23, 2026 9:25 am

Countering one appeal to authority with a second appeal to authority, is valid.

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 9:41 am

You keep saying stuff, King.

Derg
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 22, 2026 5:21 pm

Wood woop 2000k signatures. Anyone’s dog in the list?

Reply to  Derg
October 22, 2026 5:32 pm

Rudy Berkvens!

Derg
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 7:15 pm

We agree, you were a signer hahahah tard

Reply to  Derg
October 22, 2026 7:24 pm

Appo van der Wiel!

Derg
Reply to  Willard
October 23, 2026 1:15 am

Tard indeed

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Barnes Moore
October 23, 2026 8:07 am

“Here is how that “consensus” came about. The most widely cited paper re: consensus was published by John Cook and has been uncritically accepted by people who did not bother to examine it.”

Barnes, where are these hundreds/thousands of climate scientists speaking out about how they disagree with the consensus?

Were it the case, they should be clammering to do so and/or publish why they disagree, and hence garner a Nobel.
The fact is that most naysayers have retired or are not actually climate scientists and have done no research into the subject.

I await your list of those that do (hundreds please).

gyan1
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 11:16 am

A hypothesis needs to be testable to be confirmed. We lack the grid cell resolution to measure CO2’s impact directly in the free atmosphere so models must be used to estimate that. Numerous peer reviewed papers have shown that the uncertainty levels in model assumptions are 10-100x greater than the tiny effect they are trying to isolate. No legitimate scientist would make any conclusions when the signal is buried so deep in the noise. All climate projections come with the condition of all other variables remaining constant. That is never true in Earth’s dynamic chaotic climate system in continuous flux which invalidates the projections as being real.

Reply to  gyan1
October 22, 2026 7:13 pm

Well said.

Scissor
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 1:04 pm

A hypothesis can never be confirmed, only disproven.

Reply to  Scissor
October 22, 2026 1:23 pm

You should tell that to Wim, Scissor.

He’s asking for HARD PROOF.

MarkW
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 3:41 pm

They are asking for evidence. You are the one who thinks that is the same thing as proof.

Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2026 4:06 pm

[WIM] Finding ‘some evidence’ a thousand times is insufficient if a single instance of hard proof is missing.

[MARK] They are asking for evidence. You are the one who thinks that is the same thing as proof.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 3:37 pm

The only evidence that has accumulated regarding the myth that CO2 controls climate, are the models. Out here in the real world, we are still waiting for evidence.

Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2026 4:07 pm

Who died and made you King of the real world, Mark?

MarkW
Reply to  Willard
October 23, 2026 9:27 am

Your panties really do get bunched up when reality contradicts what you want to believe.

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 9:39 am

Reality Kings sure know about panties.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 6:57 pm

in the scientific method, which you’ve evidently forgotten, when sufficient evidence

The evidence you mention is required to be EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE confirming a functional relationship from a hypothesis.

You can’t just say, “I think CO2 causes all temperature warming!”. Then say, “Look the temperature is warming and CO2 is increasing so I am right!.”

Richard Feynman said this.

“The principle of science, the definition, almost, is the following: The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is the sole judge of scientific ‘truth.’ But what is the source of knowledge? Where do the laws that are to be tested come from? Experiment, itself, helps to produce these laws, in the sense that it gives us hints. But also needed is imagination to create from these hints the great generalizations—to guess at the wonderful, simple, but very strange patterns beneath them all, and then to experiment to check again whether we have made the right guess”

(Underliine by me)

To do an experiment, on needs a functional relationship to define the independent and dependent variables. Thus far all you have given us is circular reasoning when are you going to give us the functional relationship that confirms your consensus?

Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 22, 2026 7:04 pm

> EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE

As opposed to what?

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 9:26 pm

A hard fact that logic demonstrates falsifies a claim. It doesn’t have to be experimental. It can be observational or derived from mathematics.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 22, 2026 10:23 pm

Until you can find enough evidence that the usage of “mathematical evidence” is commonplace, “observational” is all you can be granted. Observational and experimental are not exactly opposed: they’re both empirical. And the “mathematical evidence” would also be empirical.

Just use evidence. What we can see. That way, it would make contrarians stop asking for evidence about the future.

Reply to  Willard
October 23, 2026 6:28 am

“Until you can find enough evidence that the usage of “mathematical evidence” is commonplace”

Take a look at Gauss’ Law.

Reply to  Willard
October 23, 2026 8:45 am

Mathematical evidence is an oxymoron. In the physical world of physics, mathematical functional relationships in a hypothesis are proposed and confirmed through experiments.

That is what Richard Feynman is trying to tell you.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 23, 2026 9:11 am

Tim and Jim might need to settle that one between themselves.

I could think of two contexts where the notion of evidence could make sense in maths. First, results that would reinforce conjectures, like the Church-Turing thesis. Second, probabilistic models that establish heuristic results:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.08613

A proof is more something one gets than something one sees.

Dick had a lot to say about a lot of things, including on how to womanize or to play the bongo. But he had little interesting to say about epistemology.

Wim Röst
Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 22, 2026 10:48 pm

Jim Gorman, well said. Thanks for the comment.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Wim Röst
October 23, 2026 12:46 am

Another not applying common-sense.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 23, 2026 12:45 am

“To do an experiment, on needs a functional relationship to define the independent and dependent variables. “

Please describe how a possible experiment would/could work Jim?
(see my post above).

Reply to  Anthony Banton
October 23, 2026 6:31 am

“Please describe how a possible experiment would/could work Jim?”

Apparently you’ve never been involved in designing an experiment that will be used to confirm a hypothesis.

Take the current in the emitter of a transistor where it is hypothesized that it is proportional to the base current. You create a functional relationship that you think explains what the proportionality is. How *do* you confirm if the functional relationship is correct?



Reply to  Anthony Banton
October 23, 2026 8:53 am

It is not up to me to describe a possible experiment. It is up to you to do in order to advance your hypothesis that CO2 is the control knob for warming the earth.

We have built large supercolliders underground. There is a tunnel under the English Channel. These are all massive edifices that were conceived and built.

If all the trillions being spent to show correlations of everything under the sun to CO2 and temperature were actually spent on designing and building a chamber that could even come close to the atmosphere, experiments could be done. You chose the optical path distance needed to absorb the radiation from the earth, 20 feet, 100 feet. Maybe 300 feet in diameter. It is not impossible. Only the desire to move beyond pseudoscience based on statistics and computer models into actual physical science is needed.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 7:06 pm

and since no contradictory evidence has ever been found,

Please explain the causes of the RWP and the MWP and why those mechanisms are not in play today, Mr Twonk

Reply to  Mike
October 22, 2026 10:24 pm

Does “Make me a sammich, twat” often work for you, Mike?

Reply to  Mike
October 23, 2026 6:08 am

The RWP and the MWP are not contradictory evidence. The same Laws of Physics apply everywhere and at all times.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 9:31 am

Both the RWP and MWP occurred, as you appear to agree.
The fact is, both warm periods occurred without an increase in CO2.
The null hypothesis is that whatever caused those two warm periods is also responsible for the Modern warm period.
Until you can disprove the null hypothesis, your own belief that this time it must be CO2, because the models say so, remains disproven.

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 9:43 am

The MWP and RWP were both regional events, not driven by any changes in global atmospheric co2 concentration

bobclose
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 4:47 am

Warren your assertion “the situation with anthropogenic climate change, and since no contradictory evidence has ever been found,” is simply just bullshit!
Many accredited scientists in the fields of atmospheric physics, meteorology geology and oceanography, have shown that in relation to CO2;

  1. it responds to oceanic temperature control and is degassed when oceans warm,
  2. The ability of CO2 to enhance earth IR-heat is reduced as its concentration increases, thus doubling of CO2 to 800ppm in 1-2 centuries time will theoretically cause warming of <0.5C.
  3. water vapour is a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 and is responsible for 95% of all IR heat absorption and transmission in the troposphere,
  4. human related CO2 is less than 5% of all CO2 in the atmosphere, therefore human responsibility for warming is minimal.

The scientists working for the IPCC actually acknowledge this science, however the environmental activists and politicians who run the UN entities do not allow this data to be published in their summary reports, only the consensus narrative you keep alluding to. This is a total disgrace that is besmirching the good name of science and scientific progress in the name of saving the planet'.
The main thing now is trying to save the integrity of the scientific method that is being trashed by the IPCC and all the deluded institutions supporting the failed AGW narrative. Your supporters may be in the majority at present, however real honest science will win out quite soon, when the public learns the truth, there is
no climate crisis in our time’ and turn on the politicians who have fostered this anti- progress, socialist-driven hypothetical abomination on us.

Wim Röst
Reply to  bobclose
October 23, 2026 5:41 am

Bobclose: “The main thing now is trying to save the integrity of the scientific method that is being trashed by the IPCC and all the deluded institutions supporting the failed AGW narrative.”

WR: It seems to me that the damage has already been done. As the Santa Marta Conference 2026 showed, almost all major countries completely ignore the entire consensus of climate scientists and also the attitude of the UN. Without providing a real response from their side, the UN, the IPCC and ‘the climate consensus of scientists’ are simply ignored by a large majority of countries. This means that the parties mentioned have lost all credibility in the climate field.

It is telling that the most active parties that still opt for phasing out fossil fuels are the small islands that think they can receive a lot of money from rich countries for this.

Europe has put itself in a particularly difficult position. They can no longer withdraw from the entire climate story without losing face. But with an industry collapsing due to high energy prices, they can no longer continue the climate story and the forced energy transition.

It’s time for a turnaround

Reply to  bobclose
October 23, 2026 5:53 am

In relation to CO2 (MY REPLY IN CAPS):

  1. it responds to oceanic temperature control and is degassed when oceans warm, THAT IS ONE BEHAVIOR OF CO2.
  2. doubling of CO2 to 800ppm in 1-2 centuries time will theoretically cause warming of <0.5C. THEORY AND EXPERIMENT SHOW A MEDIAN VALUE OF ECS IS ~3.0C PER DOUBLING.
  3. water vapour is a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 and is responsible for 95% of all IR heat absorption and transmission in the troposphere. A) H2O VAPOR IS A POWERFUL GREENHOUSE GAS AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 66-85% OF THE GHE WHEN CLOUDS ARE INCLUDED. B) BUT WATER VAPOR CONDENSES OUT, SO IT ONLY INCREASES GRADUALLY AS THE CLIMATE WARMS. HOWEVER, THE OTHER SIX GREENHOUSE GASES, INCLUDING CO2, ARE INCREASING, DUE TO HUMAN ACTIVITIES, AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RAPID WARMING OF THE CLIMATE.
  4. human related CO2 is less than 5% of all CO2 in the atmosphere. ALL CO2 ADDED TO THE ATMOSPHERE SINCE 1750 IS ANTHROPOGENIC, AND ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT ONE-THIRD OF THE CO2 IN THE ATMOSPHERE.

MY REPLIES REFLECT THE FINDINGS OF THE IPCC, THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES, ALL UNIVERSITIES, ALL NATIONAL SCIENCE ACADEMIES AROUND THE WORLD, SCIENTIFIC PROFESSIONAL SOCIETIES, AND ALL PEER REVIEWED RESEARCH.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 6:15 am

> MY REPLY IN CAPS

Please, Warren. Find another convention.

Even better: don’t do quote-fests. Nobody reads them. Makes you look like Tim & Jim’s keyboard tag team.

Reply to  Willard
October 23, 2026 6:47 am

WUWT denizens need to be held to account on substance. Style is in the eye of the beholder.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 9:47 am

Substance can be abused, and manners maketh the Climateball man.

Reply to  Willard
October 23, 2026 9:49 am

Sounds like a prescription for science denial.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 10:01 am

Compare and contrast:

A.

“I am right therefore I can do whatever the hell I want, society be damned” is exactly how contrarians become troglodytes.

***

B.

> Sounds

But is it?

> like

Life is an analogy.

> a prescription

You think I’m a doctor? What do you think is being prescribed exactly.

> science denial

An inference jump so big Van Halen might have written a song about it.

***

Which one did you prefer to read, Warren?

Reply to  Willard
October 23, 2026 10:04 am

I prefer to read science. How about you?

gyan1
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 11:03 am

You are hopelessly brainwashed by bought off pseudoscientists who abandoned the scientific method for activism. “99% of Peer-reviewed scientific papers affirm” is an outright lie. The climate crisis propaganda slogan is missing from 99.9% of peer reviewed papers about climate. The caveats most papers list about uncertainties are never mentioned in media fabrications using fear to attract eyeballs.

Data from NASA shows that most of modern warming was from fewer clouds. The increase in solar radiation reaching the surface and heating the oceans to depth far exceeded the increase in forcing from CO2 during the period.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  gyan1
October 22, 2026 1:45 pm

Keep in mind all the results were tabulated based solely on abstracts.
Abstracts have to meet the 17 second rule to get any attention.

Reply to  gyan1
October 22, 2026 3:06 pm

You say that the “climate crisis propaganda slogan” is missing from the peer reviewed papers.
1) Strawman argument. scientific papers don’t make such imprecise unscientific statements
2) Media statements are irrelevant to the science , or didn’t you know that?
3) Your claims About NASA are completely false.
So a 100% fail by you.

gyan1
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 7:11 pm

“1) Strawman argument. scientific papers don’t make such imprecise unscientific statements”

It’s not a straw man because you appear to have fallen for the climate crisis lie-

“we’d need far less than 95% confidence in order to justify action to forestall a threat to the planet’s life support system.” 

I agree that scientific papers don’t make such imprecise statements. I’ve read many papers by climate justice academics who have used the “climate crisis” propaganda slogan. Alarmist gatekeepers have used the term in media.

“2) Media statements are irrelevant to the science , or didn’t you know that?”

You are the one who doesn’t know the difference between media fabrications about what the science says and what the peer reviewed literature indicates. Every aspect of climate is hotly debated there contrary to your fictional 99% consensus.

“3) Your claims About NASA are completely false.”

More proof you have no idea what the peer reviewed literature says. There are about two dozen papers that have used NASA’s cloud data to quantify the reduction in clouds during the modern warm period. They all show the increase in solar radiation reaching the surface was more in W/m-2 than the increased forcing due to human emissions during the period.

Reply to  gyan1
October 23, 2026 6:06 am

1) It’s not a straw man because you appear to have fallen for the climate crisis lie-YES IT IS A STRAWMAN BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED THE ‘CLIMATE CRISIS SLOGAN IS MISSING FROM PEER REVIEWED PAPERS’.
2) I SAID “Media statements are irrelevant to the science , or didn’t you know that?”. AND THEN YOU PROCEEDED TO RECONFIRM MY STATEMENT!
3)More proof you have no idea what the peer reviewed literature says. OH YES I DO. THE INCREASE IN ABSORBED SOLAR RADIATION BY A REDUCTION IN CLOUDS IS A DIRECT FEEDBACK CONSEQUENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING, RATHER THAN AN INDEPENDENT FORCING

KEEP TRYING, GYAN1, BUT YOU’LL HAVE TO DO BETTER.

MarkW
Reply to  gyan1
October 23, 2026 9:35 am

I don’t know if it’s brainwashing, or a willingness to suspend disbelief so long as the party tells him to.

Herman Pope
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 11:06 am

Beeton wrote: One should also remember that thousands of scientists, working in every country of the industrialized world, have contributed to the enormous body of scientific research (tens of thousands of peer reviewed papers) over decades.

Yep, they peer reviewed each others papers and if a paper conformed to consensus, it was approved, Those papers could say anything, if they conformed to consensus. people got paid, if a paper disagreed, it was not approved, writers were not paid, they were often fired. Prominent, Scientists lost their jobs because they did not agree with the consensus. Actual Science demands that everything is questioned, once a consensus is achieved, it is no longer science. Trillions of dollars and other currencies have been wasted building intermittent power generation and complicated grids that can fail and take out power for huge regions. It is against the law for us in the US to kill an Eagle, but they allow Wind and Solar Facilities to kill with no penalties, we get fined if we kill an endangered frog, but they can destroy a whole frog habitat for building wind or solar. China and India and other non-western nations are building coal faster than the west is de-carbonizing. Countries are not reducing emissions, they are doubling or tripling them and sending them to other countries.

Reply to  Herman Pope
October 22, 2026 3:11 pm

I think no Deniers ever submitted competent work products with a physics based explanation for the behavior of the climate. No one has actually seen any such papers on WUWT.

Mr.
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 7:18 pm

“the behavior of the climate”

You still maintain that there is only ONE ‘climate’ on this planet?

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 23, 2026 9:37 am

Of course the definition of “competent work” is that it agrees with the consensus.

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 9:47 am

no, not your victim’s view of the world MarkW. Instead it means competent science. Which excludes you and your denier ilk.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 12:22 pm

“Furthermore, the IPCC 6th Assessment — which is a summary of the state of the research — states that 109% of the warming is due to man. The 109% figure means that Man’s activities are responsible for 100% of the warming, and in addition, are offsetting what would have been a slow natural cooling cycle for the planet.”

Utter nonsense, and not provable in any way.

Though you sound like you would prefer that it had been getting colder over the last 200 years. THAT would be a threat to “the planet’s life support system”, not the mild warming we’ve seen in some areas

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 22, 2026 7:09 pm

Anything less than 100% is a guess. Anything less is simply playing your cards or picking a roulette number. That is why experimental evidence is necessary. One can then say the physical functional relationship was confirmed in this experiment.

MarkW
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 23, 2026 9:38 am

The fact that the summary for policy makers was written first, and the chapter teams were then told to be in accordance with it, makes no difference?

ethical voter
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 12:56 pm

There was a time when 99% of scientists thought the world was flat and at the centre of the universe. Yet it is not. Consensus does not belong in science. Idiot.

Reply to  ethical voter
October 22, 2026 1:25 pm

If being wrong excludes one from being on Team Science, then a few things follow:

First, Team Science can’t ever be wrong.

Second, contrarians can’t ever be on Team Science.

MarkW
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 3:43 pm

The more you post, the more you sound like a poorly written AI.

Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2026 4:08 pm

If you could find an AI that writes like me, Mark, I might be interested.

old cocky
Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 6:18 pm

Eliza?

Reply to  old cocky
October 22, 2026 6:46 pm

Not sure Mark would find her writing as sexy as mine, Old One.

Mario Barbafiera
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 1:28 pm

Here we go again…. Ignoring is the best option.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 1:38 pm

The Activist returns.

Catnip time.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 3:31 pm

All the experts who agree with me, agree with me. Therefor everyone who disagrees with me is stupid.

Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2026 3:47 pm

I agree with your point, but would respectfully suggest a slight revision:

A.B.: All the experts who I agree with, I agree with. Therefor everyone who disagrees with me is stupid.

Reply to  Phil R
October 22, 2026 4:00 pm

Waldorf agrees with Statler, thus Statler agrees with Waldorf.

Therefore the show at Tony’s must go on.

Edward Katz
Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 5:55 pm

Even if your claims are accurate, why hasn’t the alleged climate crisis adversely affected the global population? Instead, it’s increased fourfold during the last 125 years while life expectancy has risen from only 42 years then to 73 now. As well, the UN itself has provided figures that shows a steady increase in agricultural output for the last half century along with a steady rise in GDPs, and a drop in infant mortality. Pretty good for as planet that’s supposedly in such dire straits resulting from a changing climate. So maybe humans are much more adaptable, resourceful, and resilient than the climate alarmists would like them to be.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 6:38 pm

Rapid warming of the climate is occurring and human activities are the cause:

None of your resources ever mention what an optimum temperature actually is. All we see is that temperatures warmer than 1850 at the end of the Little Ice Age. Maybe you can be honest with everyone here and define the temperature you are looking for. Just saying warmer is bad, also means colder is good.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 22, 2026 9:34 pm

Before one can calculate an ‘optimum’ temperature, the word “optimum” has the be defined, and accepted, in the context of the problem.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 22, 2026 10:50 pm

Then let’s wait for those who used the concept to explain what they mean by that and why they believe it matters so much for the price of tea. Barnes mentioned it, but it was rather ironic. Jim seems to hold it the dearest–it has become one of his ringtones over the years.

So let’s see Jim got in his hands.

MarkW
Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 23, 2026 9:42 am

The climate has warmed rapidly many times in the past, and humans had nothing to do with it.
There is no evidence that the planet is warming rapidly.
There is no evidence that humans have played a role, much less being solely responsible, for what warming has occurred.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
October 22, 2026 6:57 pm

Rapid warming of the climate is occurring and human activities are the cause:

Utter bullshit. You cannot claim that. There has never been (and never will be) a paper showing that humans have caused warming. NEVER, EVER….EVER. If you drill a hole into your head, you may be able to pour that particular fact into it. Who knows….

Reply to  Mike
October 22, 2026 7:08 pm

> You cannot claim that.

Rapid warming of the climate is occurring and human activities are the cause.

See?

Easy.

Reply to  Willard
October 22, 2026 9:36 pm

“Why is a mouse?” makes about as much sense. The point that you deflected is that it can’t be claimed and supported.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 22, 2026 10:17 pm

Of course it can be claimed and supported.

Rapid warming of the climate is occurring and human activities are the cause: see ipcc.ch for more.

Now that you backtracked from belief to justification, I want you to backtrack from justification to truth. Just so that we got all the JTB theory of knowledge on the table.

Denial alone won’t support you for long.

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 23, 2026 9:43 am

I get the feeling that Willard is 10, and he’s gotten hold of his mother’s computer.

Reply to  MarkW
October 23, 2026 9:49 am

I get the feeling you’re new to Climateball, King.

Wim Röst
Reply to  Willard
October 23, 2026 9:55 am

Willard, could you please bring your comments up to an appropriate standard? Their current level is not acceptable.

Wim Röst
October 22, 2026 1:31 pm

What does it signify that economic heavyweights—the US, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, Russia, China, India, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and all OPEC nations—were notably absent from the proceedings in Colombia aimed at “phasing out” fossil fuels? It means that they have all disregarded the “consensus” among scientists. In other words, they have abandoned their confidence in the UN’s version of “climate science.”

An interesting fact: Colombia, one of the co-organizers, withdrew from the initiative just four months after hosting the conference. The newly elected president steered the country in an entirely different direction, deciding to authorize fracking rather than pursue the phase-out of fossil fuels.

Trust in the “consensus” scientists has been withdrawn. Consider the implications of that.

October 22, 2026 1:44 pm

By the time AR7 is released, the WG1 report will need a complete rewrite. Its reliance on downwelling longwave radiation as support for the Greenhouse Effect will be rightly questioned and recognised as WRONG.

Grok now has its latent space curated with Maxwell field theory of radiation and Mischenko’s “profound misconception” of Radiation Transfer Theory. So Grok rightly states that downwelling long wave radiation from a cold atmosphere to a warmer surface does not exist. I am yet to find out if the latent space of other SI LLMs have been curated to a factual basis.

Trenberth’s energy budget cartoon will need to be omitted or highly qualified by describing it as a bookkeeping diagram unrelated to the real physics of radiation.

SI is moving understanding so fast that fiction can no longer prevail over fact. Academia has lost its authority.

Without US money the facade will collapse.

Wim Röst
Reply to  RickWill
October 22, 2026 1:51 pm

RickWill: “So Grok rightly states that downwelling long wave radiation from a cold atmosphere to a warmer surface does not exist.”

WR: I suppose this is about ‘net radiation’? All matter radiates.

Reply to  Wim Röst
October 22, 2026 2:20 pm

There is no such thing as simultaneous net radiation. Radiation is monodirectional at a point in time and space. Ask Grok to confirm.

And NASA knew this before 2013 because that is when Michael Mishchenko put that information squarely in the public domain.

Reply to  RickWill
October 22, 2026 7:27 pm

I have a problem with that. There can be standing waves with an oscillating direction, however, total cancelation has some serious implications with things like radio waves and wave guides, co-ax, etc.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 22, 2026 8:01 pm

When a generator is connected to a power line, it will take high surge current momentary until the reflected wave returns and a standing wave is established. After that it consumes very little power. The current can still be high but the power factor is low so transmitted energy is very low. Still energised HV but not doing anything.

Look at how a dipole antenna works. It is best to match the antenna with the cable to avoid standing waves. Characteristic impedance of 73 ohms.

The initial surge current of the HV powerline is related to its characteristic impedance. Space has a characteristic impedance; calculated in the same way of 376.73 ohms.

Reply to  RickWill
October 22, 2026 7:22 pm

So Grok rightly states that downwelling long wave radiation from a cold atmosphere to a warmer surface does not exist.

I am not sure this is a good description. All bodies radiate, even cold ones. So there is radiation directed at the hot body. It may be canceled, but I’m not sure about that. Planck said that if radiation is reflected back, the hot body compensated by immediately sending out new rays without warming. As I read it, the hot body just reflected it back. Otherwise the hot body could not warm the cold body.

Either way, the surface of the earth, ocean and land, can not be warmed by back radiation. I see that CO2 can only radiate at one wavelength and not the entire Planck Curve. The amount at that wavelength is so small it cannot be responsible for the entire warming.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
October 22, 2026 8:00 pm

Nope – no such things as rays (plural). You are dealing with the electromagnetic field – radiation is always monodirectional at any point in time and space. No multiple rays, no instantaneous netting of fluxes – just one lonely flux.

The field is constantly adjusting to the retarded influence from all matter.

I suggest you argue with Grok because it will always respond providing you are willing to pay. Harder for me to monetise my knowledge on this forum.

Wim Röst
Reply to  RickWill
October 22, 2026 11:26 pm

Rick, your proposition is not the topic for today. Nevertheless, I posed a few questions in Dutch to Google AI, and here is the translated conclusion: “In short: Mishchenko would firmly reject your proposition that radiation is unidirectional at any given point in space and time. He demonstrated, in fact, that radiation at the micro-scale is a chaotic electromagnetic wave field, and that ‘direction’ only acquires meaning as a statistical average over a larger volume.”

So, it seems you are actually referring to an ‘ultimate net result.’

The discussion took place in Dutch and includes an English summary. You can find it at this link: https://share.google/aimode/KLjTdM5wwOz6KqKZj

Reply to  Wim Röst
October 23, 2026 6:39 am

I think Rick is confusing the intensity of the field with the propagation of the EM wave.

Take the EM waves from two emitters. At any point in space and time you can only measure one value for the field strength using a simple measurement device. That would lead one to conjecture that only one EM wave exists at that point. In essence, E = F/q. If you change the value of the test charge, q, F changes also to keep the ratio the same, you get just one value for E.

If, however, you could design an antenna with an infinite front to back ratio, you would see different indications when the antenna was pointed at one emitter or the other. I.e. two different EM waves with a directionality factor in the vector description.

The NET transport of energy is a combination of the two waves. That doesn’t mean that the waves no longer exist.

Reply to  RickWill
October 23, 2026 8:37 am

I respectfully disagree. I believe that there are assumptions being made that about the interaction between E&M waves that are not universal. For example, two directional microwave signals that cross do not have one disappearing due to the interaction. There will be a standing wave at the point of intersection which depending on phase will result in a combination of both.

Maxwell’s equations predict a number of cross-products when an intersection occurs, but I don’t believe total cancelation is one of them. They should add as vectors and create a standing wave.

A cold body does emit. That means there is an E&M wave generated. To say there is no instantaneous netting of the waves with just one lonely wave is overstating what occurs.

What I am hoping is that there is enough discussion like this to spur climate science into experiments to solve what occurs and develop a functional relationship to model it.

Edward Katz
October 22, 2026 2:24 pm

The climate narrative was on shaky ground from the outset since it just happened to be supported by left-leaning governments looking for excuses to raise taxes, environmental organizations seeking more donations, and green product peddlers hoping for mandates that would force their overpriced and inefficient products on consumers. Except those consumers noticed two sobering facts: the climate was hardly changing at all, just the usual seasonal variations, and living costs were rising as they were being forced to support the fight against what was and still is a non-problem to begin with. In addition, when they saw that the world’s greatest carbon emitters were actually increasing their fossil fuel consumption, citizens knew they were being scammed about a tempest in a teapot and the majority of the public, industries, corporations, etc. have abandoned any pretense at unnecessary efforts to alter their lifestyles for any sort of climate alarmism.

Bob
October 22, 2026 3:16 pm

More good news.

Tony Tea
October 22, 2026 4:00 pm

The Dems are a 50-50 chance of regaining the Whitehouse in ’28. Has Trump done enough to lock out the climate gravy train so that the Dems can’t just return to funding climate nonsense?

Reply to  Tony Tea
October 22, 2026 4:15 pm

SI is dominating the investment world right now. It is built on energy abundance. And Grok already “knows” that downwelling longwave radiation does not physically exist. It will not be long before all the LLMs have that information in their curated latent space. That kills the whole premise for the unscientific claptrap.