I feel the need, to (hurricane) seed

From CFACT

By Joe Bastardi

Every hurricane season, three issues come up with me, not necessarily in order of importance. One of them was evident a couple of weeks ago with the nor’easter that developed an eye. Its formation over abnormally warm water near or above the threshold for tropical cyclones fueled the debate, along with objective evidence that it had become a warm-core system. I reviewed that in a previous blog.

Another is a complete overhaul of the Saffir-Simpson scale. The Weatherbell Power Impact Scale accounts for storm size by assigning values to the radius of hurricane-force winds, 50-knot winds, and 34-knot winds. It also considers sea-level pressure, maximum wind, and maximum wind gust. So it’s quite comprehensive—not just one value. At the very least, it should grade the Saffir-Simpson scale in tenths. A category two storm at 110 miles per hour becomes category three at 111. It should be labeled as a 2.9, as opposed to, say, a 95-mile-per-hour storm, which would be lower.

By the way, Bill O Reilly gave me this idea the night Ike was on the way to hit Texas. It had been lowered to a 2, and he remarked off air that it meant it should not be as bad.  As an example of what my scale would give:

The max wind we classify off the Saffir-Simpson scale is 2.8. Wind gusts ge 3.8.

SLP gets 3.3

The hurricane-force winds  get a rating of 3.2

50 kt wind is also at 3.2

34kt  force winds: 3.7

This gives a total of 20

Divided by 6  makes it a 3.7 at landfall

The explanation as to parameter computation is on the Weatherbell.com site

A spot wind at one place does not do justice to the storm. Conversely, some smaller storms may have the same Saffir-Simpson rating but not be in the same ballpark, except where the center crosses the coast. Charley, a Cat 4, vs. Donna, also a Cat 4 when it hit the same place in Florida, is a classic example. We want to look at the storm as a whole, not just one spot.

But what I really want to talk about here is something I’ve been trying to push for many years, and that is to seed intensifying hurricanes as they’re coming to the coast in the last 12-24 hours before landfall. There was a seeding project many years ago—Project Stormfury—and the results were inconclusive, although some were pretty impressive, especially with Hurricane Debbie in 1969. I remember as a kid being upset that they were going to seed the storm because I wanted it to intensify. But it was out in the middle of nowhere.

The idea is that if you can disrupt the storm’s eye wall and focus energy away from the center, you can reduce wind intensity at the center. This is not dropping atomic bombs into the eye wall. It’s trying to force condensation in a way that spreads out the hurricane’s concentrated energy. We see practical examples of this where you have a strong hurricane that will hit land: the eyewall will fall apart; it will then get back out over the water, but it takes a long time to get back to where it was, and in most cases it never gets back to where it was. You should examine anything you can do to disrupt the processes that are causing the storm to intensify.

Now, there are people who will say, “Well, there’s no real proof this will do anything.” So what?   Can you not try it? What do you have to lose if you have a Category 4 hurricane and could knock it down to a Category 3 in terms of max wind? You can help mitigate the cost. Sometimes I think that there are people who are simply anti-progress in this country that don’t want to see this. Some people also think you shouldn’t mess with nature at all, and of course they go off the deep end with the whole chemtrail argument. But the fact is, with something so disruptive as this, why would you not want to give it a shot of knocking it down? It’s like the whole nuclear power argument. People fear something going wrong. Not only did Jane Fonda protest the war, but her movie The China Syndrome also set the stage for an almost irrational resistance to moving forward with nuclear power. It’s one of the most interesting things about the so-called progressive movement—in many things it’s the opposite. But again, what do you have to lose?

If you have a hurricane and can induce eyewall replacement—which we know can stop the storm from intensifying, if not briefly bring it down—why wouldn’t you try it? We live in the United States. It’s the year 2026. Why should we live like it was 75 years ago, afraid of something when we could mitigate it? It almost seems like some people don’t want to stop hurricanes from being destructive when they hit the United States. Pardon my skepticism or cynicism, but I think some people want to see the worst happen so they can make a point about things getting worse climate-wise. And then there’s the other part that just loves it when these storms wrap up and go wild.

I believe someday all 3 of these ideas will be addressed, if not to my suggestion, then in some way that resembles the ideas put forth. But until such a time, the status quo remains.  Interesting, since what got you to a place is also what can get you stuck there if there is no change.

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25 Comments
spetzer86
October 18, 2026 6:04 am

If there were a way to do it safely without having the possibility of literally reaping the whirlwind.

DonK31
Reply to  spetzer86
October 18, 2026 8:43 am

The only way to properly test this hypothesis is by trying in on a fish storm. Only after that can we even think about testing it on a landfalling storm. We must see whether spreading out the hurricane force winds over a wider area does more harm than concentrating harder winds over smaller areas. Those who would have been out of the destruction zone without seeding probably would not like to be forced into even a minimum zone of destruction.

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  spetzer86
October 18, 2026 9:06 am

That would explain why Joe suggested we try it first with a hurricane out in the middle of the ocean. Harder to study and seed, but safer for folks on sea shores.

James Pellerin
Reply to  Ex-KaliforniaKook
October 19, 2026 8:17 am

Let’s say that Initial success leads to a widespread program of seeding small hurricanes maybe in a short duration time frame. What then would happen with all the energy in the ocean that was not “vented“ to the upper atmosphere? Might possibly a bigger “super storm“ be encouraged to develop, which then has more havoc-reaching potential?

October 18, 2026 6:30 am

Cloud seeding has very shakey numbers. It’s akin to knowing you can block a waterfall with dam…but insisting the odd pebble you throw in the water ahead of Niagara Falls will have the same effect as a dam. Plus you’ve calculated that your shovelful of pebbles has 6.02×10^26 atoms that will seed the river blocking effect…and you anticipate that local governments or insurance companies will pay you for each shovelful of pebbles you toss in the water….on the basis of the photos you have of how well dams work….mostly it’s just the old rain-dance trick to make crowds of people appreciate their “leaders” efforts.

Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 18, 2026 1:38 pm

That’s my impression .

antigtiff
October 18, 2026 6:35 am

Don’t mess with Mother Nature. There is some company or organization that is working to cause rain in drought areas or agriculture areas that are experiencing drought.

George Thompson
Reply to  antigtiff
October 18, 2026 1:26 pm

Or, some clowns “seeding” the upper atmosphere with sulfur to cut “global warming”. Now. a little help here-I seem to remember that hurricane seeding has already been tried-dunno the results or if it really did happen, or if my poor mind has wandered off again. Anybody? And then there’s the Law of Unintended Consequences, as Nick, below, points out.

October 18, 2026 7:07 am

What could possibly go wrong?
Unintended consequences, bah.
“Fuh, fuh, fuh.”
Pointy Haired Boss.

MattS
Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
October 18, 2026 8:18 am

In today’s legal environment, woe be to the cloud seeder who accidentally makes the storm worse! The prospect of massive liability lawsuits would deter any organization from experimenting with this approach.

Eng_Ian
Reply to  MattS
October 18, 2026 1:26 pm

It doesn’t even have to be worse, it just has to hit a different area than it was previously planned to.

Lawyers will have a field day with this. If any damage can be attributed to a change in path, then they ‘know’ who should pay.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  MattS
October 19, 2026 9:31 am

More like, woe be to the cloud seeder who is accused of accidentally making the storm worse! In the court of public opinion, the only thing that matters is the accusation and how thrilling the accusation is.

October 18, 2026 7:32 am

De re other Commentators (Naysayers) here:
their objections are similar to those raised against erection of lightning-rods…
… in Ben Franklin’s time.
Now, how to get the right kite inserted into the cyclone wall?

Erik Magnuson
Reply to  Whetten Robert L
October 18, 2026 9:27 am

The lightning rod is a good analog of what Joe Bastardi is proposing. The lightning rod does most of its work by bleeding charge off the local area and thus reducing the near ground potential gradient.

October 18, 2026 10:28 am

I have two schemes for taking out “infant” hurricanes which form off the west coast of Africa. For Scheme 1, we have a military transport drop a MOAB that explodes at suitable height and thus flattens the hurricane. We have to have the area around the hurricane cleared of cargo ships and fishing vessels. For really small baby hurricanes we could fly a cruise missile or drone into the eye where it explodes and blows the hurricane to bits.

For Scheme 2 we send ships with very large pumps and intake tubes which draw cold water from a suitable depth. The cold water is sprayed to cool down the warm water which the hurricane needs. We would have screens on the intake tubes so no fish would be sucked up.

Before executing Schemes 1 and 2, we apply for large grants for computer model studies.

Reply to  Harold Pierce
October 18, 2026 10:46 am

Our resident CC chimes in.

cliff-claven
Reply to  Charles Rotter
October 18, 2026 4:22 pm

CC = Comment Contributor

Tony Cole
October 18, 2026 1:48 pm

Interesting hypothesis. Get Elon Musk to buy into the theory and it will happen!

Bob
October 18, 2026 1:55 pm

How do you seed a hurricane?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Bob
October 19, 2026 9:32 am

Go to the hardware store, buy a packet, open the packet, scatter the seeds?

October 18, 2026 5:36 pm

Joe
Try asking the insurance companies if they are interested in your project, after all they pay out the most afterwards.

I would have thought that there would be a lot of condensation around most of the actual hurricane anyway ??

Gregg Eshelman
October 18, 2026 11:15 pm

A storm project I’d like to see done is launching rockets carrying instruments into tornadoes. There’s been a few movies where a good chunk of the plot was some storm researcher attempting to position a barrel full of sensor probes to get sucked up into a funnel cloud.

Why not directly inject them? Build a section of the rocket body from cardboard or balsa wood so it’s easily broken apart by the storm wind. Pack inside multiple sensor probes with pressure, temperature, light, humidity, RF, EM, and whatever other sensors might provide useful data. Put GPS trackers in them too so they can store their own flight paths.

Getting the data back in real time might be a bit of a problem, so have them link up in a mesh network and cross-feed data so only a few would have to be recovered to get all the data.

Then there’s the passive data collection. Since the probes’ size and mass would be precisely known, doppler RADAR could get exact speeds from them. I’d also pack in a load of aluminized mylar chaff, cut to a precise size, for the same purpose as bouncing RADAR off the probes.

Fire a couple of these rockets into a tornado and it would be the most precisely examined twister ever. A 4D map of one would provide great detail of how it moves and changes over time, as long as the probes and chaff stay in it.

Yooper
Reply to  Gregg Eshelman
October 19, 2026 5:10 am

Elon Musk and Starlink could probably do this with some of their OTS technology.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Gregg Eshelman
October 19, 2026 9:33 am

In the movie Twister, the probes had satellite com links.

October 19, 2026 10:15 am

It wasn’t just that Project STORMFURY was inconclusive. What we learned about studying non-seeded storms during the Project led us to believe that seeding wouldn’t produce the desired results. One premise of the STORMFURY hypothesis was there was a lack of freezing nuclei available in the hurricane’s upper levels. Seeding with silver iodide would provide such nuclei. However, cloud physics data from research flights showed that the cirrus overcast produced by the upper-level outflow from the hurricane eyewall provided a steady source of ice particles to the upper parts of the rainbands. So there were plenty of freezing nuclei available. Seeding added nothing.
So a proactive seeding program would get peoples’ hopes up and then greatly disappoint them when the storm strikes without being diminished. Plus some people might not evacuate when they should on the false hope exasperated by a seeding project. It’s worse than doing nothing.