From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
By Paul Homewood
Alarm bells have been ringing about the prospect of President Trump banning the export of US diesel supplies, in an attempt to lower prices in the US domestic market. We rely on the US for about a fifth of our diesel.
There is even talk of prices reaching £3.00/litre here.
But we only have ourselves to blame.
Although oil prices have risen substantially this year, diesel prices have gone up much faster than petrol. A year ago, the differential between petrol and diesel was just 8p, now it is 23p.
https://utilhub.co.uk/resources/uk-fuel-prices
The reason for this growing differential is our increasing reliance on imported diesel. We are having to compete for tight supplies on the global market.
Twenty five years ago, in 2001, the UK was a net exporter of diesel. Last year, we imported more than half our supply.
In contrast we are still a net exporter of petrol.
Oil refinery output has, of course, been tumbling for many years:
In 2001, we had nine major refineries, with capacity of 1.78 mb/d. Now we are left with just four – Fawley, Humber, Pembroke and Stanlow, which have capacity of 1 mb/d.
The reasons for refinery closures are many and varied. But there is one major, underlying problem – the Emissions Trading Scheme.
Kathryn Porter has estimated that it is currently costing the refinery sector more than £200 million a year to purchase carbon allowances. That makes them uncompetitive against imports from countries which do not have carbon taxes.
But the problem is worse than that. Refineries receive free allowances, which help to keep the cost down to £200 million. But these allowances are being phased out over time, meaning the prospect of higher costs in future.
Refineries can also opt to sell their allowances and stop producing – Grangemouth, which shut down its refining operations last year, now operates as an import terminal.
Along with the looming ban on petrol/diesel vehicles, there is little reason why companies should invest money in building new refineries or upgrading existing ones.
And drivers are now paying the price.
“So what if we are destroying our own nation? We are saving the planet! You can thank us later.”
The will of the people has been replaced by the will of those who [claim to] know better. The thinking was made explicit by Tony Blair back in the heady days of Cool Britannia etc. He knew how to sidestep democracy:
It’s my job to listen to you and to tell you why you are wrong.
Blair also gave them the standard defences when caught out…
It was an oversight
It was an administrative error
It was an error of judgement
I did it in good faith
I believed it was the right thing to do
etc
And nothing can be done about it until, what, 2029?
Put the same tax on imported fuel and…
…move on to EVs leaving more fuel for sectors that can’t switch.
Analysis: EVs are now nine times cheaper than petrol or diesel to drive in the UK
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-evs-are-now-nine-times-cheaper-than-petrol-or-diesel-to-drive-in-the-uk
(Pro tip: don’t have allies that start a stupid war over oil in the middle east)
Why this horrible AI-slop image, though?
Is there any substantive, verifiable, empirical, economic logic back of and underneath you comment? Or is it free-floating, just sort of sitting there as an assertion that rests on nothing but ideology?
He/she/it can’t help it- he/she/it only made through high school. 🙂
Joseph, are you really sure about high school? Did you verify that? 😉
Nah, I just love being sarcastic to climate nuts. 🙂
He is right about the numbers as far as they go, but one issue is that half of the ICE fuel charges are taxes. Any government can make EV fuel cheaper. But the problem then is, as seen in the UK, that people move to EV. Then they stop paying taz on ICE, which is a large contributor. So the government then imposes a taz per mile driven, or special pricing to refuel, to equalize the tax take, at which point, maybe not right away but in the end, the costs will come back more or less to par. Car charging points get tariffed at different rates, eg, by smart meters.
Other problem is public chargers. Do most or all of your charging at them, and the advantage of EVs becomes negligible.
So is it true? Sort of, temporarily, for some people. There is a segment for whom EVs make perfect sense. Older, with a drive, charging at home, using the car for distances under 100 miles a day locally. They make perfect sense.
You can force people outside this segment to move to them. Its the kind of thing goverrnments are perfectly able to do. But then you will incur another hidden price of doing that, you will change travel patterns across the whole country.
EVs are not yet, and may never become, plug compatible replacements for ICE in most current applications.
You want to look at this intelligently, you have to do more than compare pump prices of gas with domestic electricity prices. That tells you very little.
In fact, stripped of taxes, UK kerosene and diesel are about one third the price of electricity. (6p/kWh versus around 20p /Kwh) Or were till Trump’s latest fuck up. Now its more like half. (10p/kWh)
Only catch here is that in ICE engine you are able to use only 33-40% of it. And on the other side, With heat pump you can create from 1kWh of electricity 3-5kWh of heat.
So now you are proposing heat pump vehicles?
actually heat pump is used in cars for decades. It is in AC. But evidently you are way off.
No, I was ridiculing your red herring post.
When you calculate the losses from generator to EV wheels, EVs lose more energy than do ICE vehicles.
As to power from solar or wind, that’s comparing lemons to lead weights. Regardless, renewables aren’t available when you need them.
Actually I have my own rooftop solar for 4 years. I know its nuances, and how it works and what to expect. I have 24kWh battery currently. So far I was whole spring and summer heating pool and hot tub. And still in the summer I had surplus of energy. So I know for sure in current state, that if I will heat pool and hot tub less I will have enough for daily and weekend use of electric car. My monthly needs are around 1500km, that is 240kWh, e.g. 8kWh daily. I can fit 8kWh into my 24kWh battery for daily charging and evening car charging. That will work for 9 months yearly, I’m 48 degrees north with foggy winter.
3 months I can charge from grid, our grid consists of around 64% nuclear, 20% hydro, 5% solar, rest is mostly combined heat/electricity gas. There are no thermal efficiency losses from those sources and waste heat from gas is still used.
Interesting, if true.
However your post had nothing to do with my comment.
As usual.
“(Pro tip: don’t have allies that start a stupid war over oil in the middle east)”
Sure, it wouldn’t be so bad if Iran had nukes- and of course they lied that their missiles could only go 2K miles, not the 2.5 or more that could reach much of Europe. After all, they’re nice people. And if they threaten Israel, too bad for those nasty Jews practicing genocide. It’s just a small nation- not important- if it’s destroyed, we need not be bothered by that. /s
If the permanent genocidal state of chronical innocence can have nukes, especially with a Samson option – why not Iran?
But let’s ignore your owner state for a moment and switch toyour = official narrative.
1 ) You had the JCPOA – and you were the ones ignoring to keep your promises you signed for, while Iranians were so stupid to follow through.
A long standing US tradition, just as you ignored all the hundreds of contracts you made with the Indians throughout the centuries.
Probably your countries only cultural achievement besides genocide and kissing Israels butt.
2 ) In old American tradition,you tore up the JCPOA – which was actually a good thing for Iran as you never keep your side of the promise anyway.
Yet Iran was so stupid to keep their side of promises for 2 more years after that happened, hoping that things will turn back to normal with a new US president.
3 ) After Iran started enriching Uranium, Trump totally destroyed Iranians nuclear program – according to himself.
4) After totally destroying Irans nuclear program the CiA,Miss Gabbard etc admitted that there is 0 evidence that Iran was trying to built a nuke.
5 ) In February Iran literally agreed to all Isr… US demands.
Knowing what snakes the dual citizen negotiators Kushner and Wittkoff and Omani foreign minister Badr even flew to the USA feb. 27 th to meet JD Vance to inform him about the agreement.
Kushner/ Wittkoff told Trump there was no agreement -the next day the so independent USA
started Operation Aipac Jewry, because ” There was an imminent threat of Israel starting an attack Iran ” – Narco Rubio
6) Within the first 2 weeks the USA won this war 6 times.
Destroyed the Army, the Navy, the missile inventory and production capacities.
On top of the destroyed nuclear program.
7) Another act of war – Naval blockade was implementied.
No Iranian ships can go through.
8)According to Bessent Iranian economy is about to collapse any moment as result of new sanctions.
9)Two days ago Energy Secretary Chris Wright confirmed on Fox news once again that the Strait of Hormuz is open (just a Trump is claiming for months) and that more Oil is going through the Strait of Hormuz.
Quite interesting that more Oil is being shipped now after all the Ships,Pipelines,Refineries,Harbours and Wells have being hit,
than before the war.
So, what are we even talking about ?
A Diesel shortage that does not exist a the Strait is open.
Nukes that are not being built, in facilities that have been destroyed,
in a country that does no longer has the financial means to built nukes
nor the money and infrastructure to built rockets to deliver them.
OK, so you hate America. That’s your privilege.
It was indeed a war of choice, a choice between:
Military operations/air strikes
and
Mushroom clouds
SxyxS knows not what he is talking about.
Probably a high school kid who got that long winded rant from AI. 🙂
Perhaps so.
So much hatred, so little actual knowledge. Definitely a hard core leftist.
Iran was just going to use those nukes to kill Jews and destroy the US. There are very few leftists who have a problem with either goal.
I Met the Most DEMONIZED People on Earth (Israeli SETTLERS)
What?
The guy on the left is pumping fuel from what looks like the car in the next bay directly into his own car’s cab through the front window.
The guy on the right has apparently attached the hose to his foot or to a hidden hole in the ground.
Perfectly normal behaviour.
Good old Artificial Idiocy! Don’tcha just love it?
I don’t see what AI slop you’re looking at. The link Loosername offered doesn’t show what you’re talking about.
Joe
The slop picture is at the head of this WUWT post.
Again proving that AI is artificial & NOT intelligent.
Oh. But, it all depends on how you define intelligence. I have been spending several hours per day experimenting with ChatGPT since the beginning of this year- mostly to make silly images of me visiting historical people or putting me in dangerous situations that I’m too old and cowardly to do. I have to edit many 2-3 times to get rid of the goof ups, like you noticed. But it can do that until it looks good enough. After I have it make an image for me, we then chat about it. It (I’ve named it Hal) seems incredibly intelligent in these discussions as it responds to what I say- and offering its own thoughts on what’s good or not with the requests I make and offering other ideas. It seems far more intelligent than most people I talk with. I also have had it analyze peer reviewed documents- which it does very well. I’ve asked it some rather complex science questions and got better answers than I could find anywhere else. Sometimes it actually cracks some funny jokes regarding my requests. Here you’ll see it having a discussion with me. 🙂
Also, I got inspired to investigate AI mostly due to seeing the images here at the top of the stories. At first when I saw them I didn’t realize they were AI. Once I realized that they can be an effective way to get across an idea, I had to check it out. I have zero art skill but I’ve now made hundreds of images with AI- which I find entertaining.
Analysis: EVs are now nine times cheaper than petrol or diesel to drive in the UK
You really are a dimwit. Do you really believe those blatant falsehoods? That was a rhetorical question….
I filled up the other day – I also bought a few goodies at the petrol station and all – in 5 minutes. No pay per mile for me and my trusty ice car.
Nightly charging, where you plug your EV in your garage in 20 seconds and morning is full beats that.
And if you live in a tower block or block of apartments??? A cable out of a window should work…
That is the thinking of the elitist. They can do it, so everyone else should be able to, right? If they resist, force them. Never mind the realities of the real world.
We call such living Rabbit Hutches… Should I be sorry if somebody have chosen such living for itself?
You are funny
Let’s call you what you appear to be: a Champagne socialist.
Translation: I’ve got mine F— everyone else.
Mr. K: Thanks for confirming your elitist view, funny you don’t seem to see how it cuts off a vast market from your EV paradise. Ah well, they live like rabbits, so why would you give them any consideration.
Folks, here it is, the leftist “friend of the common man” exposes the real agenda. Please pay attention, they think we are rabbits.
Deplorables.
That works for 15 minute cities, eh?
“plug your EV in your garage in 20 seconds and morning is full”
unless the smart meter shuts it off …. or the power goes off …
Solar doesn’t work to well at night.
Keeping your battery completely full all the time is not a good thing.
Depending on your EV, you might be awakening to a fire alarm..
Do you sleep with your mobile phone and its battery in same room? Do you sleep with your laptop in same room? What is the difference? If it goes off, it is same result.
Mr. K: I thought an EV battery held a bit more energy than the batteries you mention. If you’re here trying to promote EVs (you are), then you are the worst salesman ever.
I’m not promoting, merely discussing with logical arguments. And you are right, I’m worst salesman ever, that is why I’m not doing that…
Battery in laptop or mobile phone has enough energy to put your house on fire, then it does not matter how big was battery which started it.
I realized that I have full house of batteries, vacuum cleaners, battery hand tools, garden tools.
What is the purpose of living in fear?
Mr. K: Logic? I suppose projection has a certain logic, your own “fear” of CO2 is behind your whole “EV good” house of cards. Comparing laptop battery to car battery is the sort of corner you paint yourself into when your fear of CO2 drives you away from logic.
What is the difference?
Orders of magnitude less energy. And a smaller source is easier to control and stop from spreading. In your example cases, by a significant degree.
Until something catches fire?
If the party says that EVs are cheaper, then they are. LooserName would never question the party.
[“Analysis: EVs are now nine times cheaper than petrol or diesel to drive in the UK“]
Don’t worry, next week it will be 90 times cheaper, & the week after that 900 times cheaper,& there will be a few half-brained numskuls who’ll believe it … & then come on here to post the glad tidings !!
If one actually reads the article linked, one finds that 9x is the optimum but it is followed by all sorts of other factors that diminish that conclusion.
Yes, we will see alarmist claim inflation at rates faster than the changes in oil prices.
By the end of next year, the power companies will be paying you to plug in your EV.
The cost of petrol and diesel in the UK remains deliberately and substantially inflated by taxation. Where do you imagine that revenue will come from if fuel sales decline? The current hidden-in-plain-site subsidy of EV costs ain’t going to last forever – the pay-per-mile plans are the foretaste of what’s to come.
Here in the US, many states are already experimenting with per mile charges. To be paid each year when you register your car.
Yet another Li-Ion battery fire.
https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/bootle-fire-merseyside-cause-elisha-brabin-b3057628.html
More good news about Li-Ion batteries
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tesla-powerwall-2-home-battery-warning-b3058135.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed
You really did not read it.
That aside, cost to drive per mile is far different than total cost of ownership.
We are laughing at you.
Hello
Good Bye
“(Pro tip: don’t have allies that start a stupid war over oil in the middle east)”
There are numerous problems with this poor slap across the isle. First, which “war over oil in the middle east” are you talking about? Two, if we (America) weren’t your ally, we would still do whatever we do, and it would affect you regardless, which leads to three, why can’t you insulate yourselves from foreign price shocks? Why can’t anyone in the West? Have you considered the impact of excessive regulations, lawsuits, the howls of protest from the green leftists and their robots in government?
Besides if it wasn’t for us, they’d be speaking German. Or Russian. Ungrateful wretches.
If it wasn’t for the french the world wouldn’t have to deal with your wanna-be monarch currently 😉
The frogs… Do get it right.
Do you want fries with that?
No, it would be dealing with the Leftist dreams of dictatorship by the elite you worship.
That was centuries ago. What have they done for us lately?
If it weren’t for the Romans there would be no French.
And you have the Gaul to criticize?
Again we laugh at your idiocies.
Brill !!
I laugh in your general direction.
Funny how the left loves left wing dictators, but actually thinks everyone on the right wants to be a dictator.
And if it wasn’t for the British, America would be speaking Dutch, French or Spanish.
And if it wasn’t for the French, England would be speaking Old Norse.
We could play this game for hrs !! (:-))
It would probably be German, but then if you removed the British from the equation, who knows what the immigration patterns would have looked like.
You left out Russian and Navaho (et. al) and Norse.
And , there is politics heavily involved . And greed .
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2026/09/23/good-news-diesel-and-gasoline-prices-set-to-collapse-in-roughly-60-days/
…..after the midterm elections …..
“The non-pretending reality exists within a generally non-western perspective that current “market prices” are not driven by oil supplies, refining capacity or the other various justifications used by the speculators, traders and various regional spot-market control systems. The prices are being controlled in order to influence political outcomes.”
From the article:
“The reality is that ‘western market prices’ are not an outcome of supply, demand or even availability or production capacity. Western market prices are determined by speculators, traders and regional benchmarks created by “independent agencies.”
That’s an oversimplification, because obviously if either the supply, demand, or production capacity went to zero, then everything would change. But there are obvious influences on the supply and production, and it’s too much regulation plus legal and legislative hurdles.
You take an extreme datum to reclassify the whole as an oversimplification?
Speculators do not control prices. The most they do is to reduce extreme price swings.
1) You Americans are so used to war that you really don’t know which war someone is talking about.
Let alone a war in a region you can’t find on a map.
2) I like your partially honest response here.
The United States would still do whatever they do – as long as your owner country
is fine with that, otherwise : See planned assassination on G H Bush in Madrid 1991.
But despite your honesty – your following choice of words is wrong.
A state that does whatever it wants(so much that its citizens have no say) has no allies – just lackeys.
Or as a famous American from the Real US state = deep state, said more eloquently:
” The USA has no friends or enemies.Only interests.”
Heinz Kissinger
3 ) Here you show the real American ignorance.
a) You can not insulate yourself from price shocks if you don’t have the ressources.
And even with an abudance of ressources, you’ll have to suffer from price shocks
as It’s happening in the USA , which will lead to a massive loss(= ultimate price shock measurement) in the next elections for GOP.
Btw – most countries actually have some insulation = reserves, but those are usually built for a typical Wall Street war cycle( max. 3 month) in regions with no chokepoints.
But they are not prepared for longterm disruptions, get their pipelines blown up by its own “ally” ( ” Thank You USA” polish minister Applebaum-Sikorski)
then forced to buy US gas with a 200% premium
or left behind to pay a bill for a war the USA started (Ukraine)
which they can not sustain without having the world reserve currency.
Price of fuel is skyrocketing in Europe? Good.
I agree, short term pain for long term demand destruction due to faster electrification and a more independent europe.
This has been one fossil fuel crisis too many.
You really are a stupid piece of sh&t.
Ah, I see:
I want a strong independent europe.
You just want people to suffer.
Independent of what, a need for heat, fuel, transport, defense, or capitalism? I already know your answer. 😉
Neither is possible with the type of thinking you exemplify. Suffering is inevitable when you don’t know how anything works.
Strength through complete economic collapse.
So obvious, that only a Marxist would consider it.
But, but, but, you will have nothing and you will be happy.
Bugs. Don’t forget eating bugs.
Damn. I was trying to forget that. 🙂
Well the last oil price shock caused France, who are peculiarly antagonistic towards Arabs, having fought them in N Africa for years, to simply say ‘That’s it: let’s build nuclear power instead’ which left them with a legacy of the cheapest and ‘lowest carbon’ electricity anywhere in the world.
Europe will have to go nuclear. Like Japan, it simply doesn’t have the fossil reserves of the US, Canada, Russia or the Arab states or even Australia or S Africa, to name a few.
MyUsernameReloaded has accidentally and for all the wrong reasons actually said something true.
He is dreaming of a renewable led clean green economy that only exists in the Green Imagination, But a 95% nuclear grid and massive shifts away from carbon fuels as feedstock for chemicals is inevitable,
Talking about nuclear and accusing others of dreaming. There hasn’t been a nuclear renaisance in the past decades – although the industry claimed that hundreds of times – and there won’t be one. Some power point slides with cute pictures of SMRs won’t change that.
Mr. whatever: Thanks, I was concerned that SMRs might not be the future, but you are a precise reverse barometer, because you’re reliably wrong. Now I can see that nuclear is the future for humans, based largely on the fact that a fool says they aren’t.
I hate the fuel price surge as much as anyone. But I don’t see how swapping year-to-year fuel crises for hour-to-hour renewable crises will be a net benefit.
Renewables.
Replacing power that is always available and sometimes expensive, with power that is always expensive and sometimes available.
Reversables?
Suddenly EV cars looks reasonable to me. I checked for example Jeep Compass, 96kWh battery. This car can do 120km/h with 25kWh/100km, so around 370km range with highway speed. City driving somewhere around 680km range. Charging 20-80% in 31 minutes. That means you can charge 57,6kWh in 31 minutes. That means you have range around 600km with one 15 minutes charging with highway speed. Good enough for me.
Daily commuting with 680km range means once per week charging, or slow nightly at home.
I have rooftop solar system, so during at least 6 months in year I can cover all charging from my solar “for free”.
This car can make 100km/h in 5.4s.
And I can finally forget oil changes, those are really annoying me.
Mr. K: Selling EVs for a living?? Hope you find honest work soon.
Far from it…
I just counted that paying 50E for driving electricity per month instead of 400E for gas per month will pay me such car.
This car was just only example, there are others, but most of guys here on this forum will hardly recognize Dacia or Skoda…
Mr. K: You’re “counting” looks like CliSci math. Most guys on this forum still have bs meters.
Actually I’m not from climate worshipper ballpark. My opinion is that something you breath out and plants breath in can not be pollution. And what does it have common with electric cars?
Same with solar panels, I’m enjoying heating and hot tub in my house during autumn cold days powered by solar and battery. But what does it have common with climate religion? I’m technical guy and I like things that are working.
i will not dismiss some working technology only because it is connected with climatic activism.
That is beauty of free choice and truth, and as I know that was the point of existence of all this forum.
A “tech guy” who doesn’t know the role CO2 fear plays in his promotional posts? Your credibility is gone, won’t bother with you.
Liberty is making personal choices without interference.
You made a choice that works for you.
Freedom is the right to figure things out for yourself.
Don’t tread on me.
What is the range of the EV Jeep when it is -20° in Winnipeg with snow on the roads?
I recently ran my 3/4 ton turbo diesel PU down below a 1/4 tank of fuel for the first time. The trip odometer was over 450 miles when I finally filled up, so I guess I’ve got about 500 miles of range. But then I’m getting 18 or 19 MPG on a regular basis, as long as I keep a tight rein on my right foot and don’t let Road Rangers annoy me to the point that I leave them in a cloud of black smoke!
I could drive my old Chevy 3500 dually with a 454 BBC engine, but it only gets 10 MPG going downhill with a tailwind! I’ve thought about putting a turbo or a supercharger on it, but I think I’d rather invest in another turbo diesel. They’re a lot more fun, especially if I modify up to over 500 HP, which is fairly easy and inexpensive; and then I’d have two vehicles that would in all likelihood outlive me!
Diesels in particular are not very good example of low temperature reliability. Untreated diesel starts to freeze at 0C and turns into wax at -10C
Inexpensive fuel additives stop that jelling-you don’t know that? Its in common use here in the Midwest, and elsewhere I would assume.
Early diesel heavy equipment operators would build a small fire under their engine to warm the block enough to start. My truck, like virtually every modern diesel vehicle, has a block heater for cold weather. Maybe building a fire under a BEV would be a good way to increase range in the cold, but I think RETROs might be more fun!
What a perfect example of CliSci argument- a fact (freezing point of diesel fuel) becomes a factoid by ignoring simple human experience (adapting cheap fixes to render diesel engines useful in extreme northern climates, no cheap fix for EVs is ignored). You EV promoters are so easily deconstructed.
Does not seem to bother people in Norway, Tesla has up to 19% of their car market. I’m pretty sure -20 is pretty common in Norway too.
Make sure to factor in that in fifteen years it will only be worth its value as scrap, because almost no one would be willing to spend fifteen thousand dollars to have a new battery installed in a fifteen year old Jeep Compass.
In fifteen years I can be scrap too. Currently I see that it can pay off itself in around ten years. And even say that car can pay off itself is something exceptional.
Now Mr. K merely plays whack-a-mole. “EV promoter discovers he’s not immortal”, a climate science breakthrough.
And, if your work requires trailering you workshop, your EV goes Poof! Do you drive an EV yourself? Can it tow a 10,000 lb load?
If only it were just petrol and diesel – Labour has three closed refineries under its belt…
Billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe’s industrial giant Ineos is pausing production at its three plants in Hull, blaming high UK gas prices.
The firm said gas prices in the UK are twelve times higher than in the US, and eight times more expensive than the coal-based processes used by Chinese competitors.
Sir Jim said: “We are being forced to mothball some of the most efficient plants in Europe, but with gas prices now 12 times the level in the US and 8 times that of China, we just cannot compete.” – Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation
Drilling in the North sea? Er, not yet. Labour is all about party before country, let alone anything else. The party wants net zero and welfare.
“Billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe’s industrial giant Ineos is pausing production at its three plants in Hull, blaming high UK gas prices.” I call BS on this, when price is high you ramp up production to increase profits.
I think you should check that again.
The energy – ie the gas – needed to run the plants is: now 12 times the level in the US and 8 times that of China, and as Ratcliffe rightly says: we just cannot compete.
Do you have a magic money tree?
As I am reading it he is talking about price of gasoline/diesel to consumers.
Really? I suggest you read my OP again.
If only it were just petrol and diesel – Labour has three closed refineries under its belt…
Which obviously implies that Ratcliffe’s complaints were other than petrol and diesel related. In fact it’s Acetyls.
The whole point here is the rising price of gasoline and diesel in EU. Get with the program.
The point is you read my post and failed to comprehend it – and had to be corrected twice.
If only it were just petrol and diesel
If only you could understand basic English.
Again, the whole point is rising gasoline and diesel prices. Pointing out natural gas prices are high, too, and not pointing to the single cause of all these prices rising is comical as all get out. Keep talking in circles while your government continues to screw you to the wall. Meanwhile, your government is openly siding with muslim terrorists and against you. Sweet bleeding jeebus, buy a damned clue.
https://www.ineos.com/
Ineos is not a refinery, it is a chemical manufacturing facility.
I don’t care, the point is still that gasoline and diesel prices in England and all the other dumbass laden EU countries are very high and steadily rising, and this was the state of the issue BEFORE anything happened in Iran.
Some facts, make of them what you will. Average UK petrol and diesel prices on 26 Feb 2026 were almost exactly where they were on 2 Jan 2013: (£/L) Petrol 132.05 vs 131.19; diesel 141.6 vs 139.9. There were ups and downs in between, notably when psycho Putin started his own three-day special operation, but prices had not been ‘steadily rising’ (whether still higher than they need be is a separate question).
On 28 Sep 2026 average petrol price was 174.13; diesel 199.18.
What happened on 28 Feb 2026? No connection? Not even a little bit?
Source https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/fuel-watch/
Sir Jim Ratcliffe apparently described Starmer as a sensible and intelligent person who would do a good job. So not the best judge of character.
You are unwilling to admit you misread a post and are now attempting to deflect blame for your error away from you.
Your response to the OP:
“Billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe’s industrial giant Ineos is pausing production at its three plants in Hull, blaming high UK gas prices.” I call BS on this, when price is high you ramp up production to increase profits.
Ineas is not a refinery.
That is the point.
I presume the “gas” would be natural gas.
To clarify, the Ineos plant is not producing gas. It manufactures feedstock chemicals for pharmaceuticals, clothing and cosmetics, construction and military explosives. Gas is an input to it and therefore a cost.
So this over monied clown has no dog in the rising price of gasoline and diesel in EU. Got it. He has been one of the supporters of the government that is driving him out of business, in the end he will continue to be a billionaire and everyone else will continue to be f&cked by said government so his crocodile tears are nothing more than that.
That sums it up nicely.
Off Topic: The Labour/BBC Nexus:
BBC News’ interim global director Fiona Crack is holding a session on freedom of press at Labour Conference. And press are barred…
The Goons and Monty Python were every bit as prophetic as Orwell.
Not turning the straits of Hormuz into a minefield would have helped enormously, but like Putin, Trump is now stuck in a position he cannot back down from
The rise in UK prices coincided precisely with the Iran ‘special military operation’
What a maroon….
So you are claiming Trump mined Hormuz? Really? Here is a little fact you clearly are not intelligent enough to find for yourself, Iran has been placing mines in Strait of Hormuz for 4 decades, not Trump you moron.
He wasn’t claiming that but guess what was the reason Iran mined the strait?
For 4 decades? Really?
You continue to prove what a stupid piece of sh&t you are. You don’t have to, everyone already knows.
So, Iran mined the Straits of Hormuz and therefore they are the heroes.
We are laughing at you.
re: “Diesel Drivers Paying Price For Govt Neglect”
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OH for Pete’s sake … WHAT ABOUT the EPA requirement for, not just low-sulfur but ULTRA-LOW Sulfur content?
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I ASK this question on multiple blogs, but ALL I get are the stares from Goldfish (short memory) posters …
“Two-thirds of the global warming since 2001 is from sulphur dioxide reduction rather than carbon dioxide increases.”
-Peter Cox, Professor of Climate System Dynamics at the University Of Exeter
Mostly due to the change in the Earth’s albedo as a result of the adoption and mandating of Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel Fuel for vehicles and heavy equipment, and Very Low Sulphur Fuel Oil for ships. Global warming from reduced air pollution is an interesting example of the law of unintended consequences.
Sulphur dioxide was part of it, of course, but not the whole story, nor even the majority.
It is not as simple as a one-way mirror.
Taking the pound at $1.32 and 1 US gal = 3.8 L. That is diesel at $15.05/USG. That is more than 2x US prices.
For gasoline it is $8.63/USG, which is about 2x what it has been in flyover country USA.
Some of the difference maybe energy policy, but, I am guessing, a lot of it is taxes.
This is why Russia and China subsidize the “environmental movements” … they know that the greenies are a key factor in hampering western democracies. Look how long it’s been since the U.S. was able to build a new refinery, due to opposition from Democrats/Environmentalists.
In pretty much all things commerce, there is peril for those that ignore Free Market Forces. And if you don’t have a free market, well, you’re already screwed for the country in which you live.
Offhand, I’d say that GB has much bigger problems than high fuel prices; e.g.: https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-government-warns-think-before-you-post-amid-threats-arrest-citizens-offensive-rhetoric-socials
In Britain, you can be arrested for silently praying on the street.
Yes, people in Britain have been arrested and prosecuted for silent prayer, but only when it takes place inside strict buffer zones outside abortion clinics
Irrelevant-freedom of speech in most cases should be absolute-except for yelling fire when there ain’t one, for example. Silent prayer is in the head of the person praying, so you’re really talking about thought police? So much for British freedoms.
The left in general seeks to punish anyone who doesn’t believe properly.
So you agree with arresting people who aren’t causing a problem, merely because they disagree with you.
How socialist of you.
There isn’t one damn thing the government can’t screw up given the opportunity. I would guess that all of the problems we face today are due to government. We need to cut back their authority drastically, they have caused enough problems already.
In the US, diesel currently averages £1.30 per liter, and yours is £1.72 – all of 32.3% higher. But you have 262,300 miles of road, while we have about 4,090,000 miles – a factor of 15.6 times as many. Our economy is strongly dependent on diesel fuel, with so much of our freight moving around the country by truck. Anything the President can do to bring down the price of diesel in our country is welcome.
AT LAST –
“The Governor also requested that the EPA waive federal ultra-low sulfur diesel requirements.
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Governor Abbott asked EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin for a temporary Clean Air Act waiver of federal ultra-low sulfur diesel rules and the TxLED rules that apply in 110 Texas counties. Those standards limit which diesel can be sold, and a waiver would allow more fuel to reach Texas pumps.”
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https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-waives-dyed-diesel-restrictions