Fears of Gulf Stream Collapse Fade as Hard Data Reveal Major Role of Natural Variation

From THE DAILY SKEPTIC

by Chris Morrison

In July 2023, Georgina Rannard of the BBC ran a ‘scientists say’ story stating that the Gulf Stream system of warm ocean currents “could collapse as early as 2025”. It would be difficult to find a more tosh-filled tale of climate bunkum so perfectly constructed to fill the population with alarm and a willingness to accept the collectivist Net Zero fantasy. All the recent evidence, other than the findings of rigged computer models, is providing conclusive proof that the Gulf Stream is currently stable, although subject to higher-than-expected natural variations in what are often very short time intervals.

For 20 years the RAPID-MOCHA-WBTS Array has measured the movements along the Atlantic Ocean at 26°N. A number of submerged stations have collected large amounts of data on the currents that bring warm waters from the Gulf up to the Arctic and return them cooled, heavier and saltier back to the south. Alarmists and Net Zero fantasists have long argued that humans interfere with this process. In unison they wail (perhaps next year!) that a ‘tipping point’ could be reached where the currents reverse and bring ice age weather to countries in the northern hemisphere.

But findings from computer models that have produced countless The Day After Tomorrow headlines are being rendered increasingly worthless by the actual RAPID data. In fact, there has been a largely unannounced pause in any weakening of the Gulf Stream – also known as the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) – since the early 2010s. Before that, and going right back to the start of measurements in 2004, the strength was generally relatively high, but there was a substantial weakening between 2009-2010. Such was the scale of this temporary weakening that the 20-year record has been skewed to show a 6% decadal decline. But RAPID has shown that sharp changes on a daily to inter-decadal period are the norm rather than exceptional. All of this is likely to be due to natural variation – what is often referred to as ‘noise’ – rather than any human cause.

Many of the fluctuations appear to be driven by changing air currents rather than deeper water formulations alone. These findings are starting to fundamentally change the way scientists understand the operation of the AMOC and mean that single or short-period snapshots are inadequate in measuring long-term strength. Needless to say, computer models are simply not up to the task of separating out any noise arising from the natural variability.

The scale of the natural variation can be truly astonishing. The RAPID observations from 2004-25 show a weakening of 1 Sv per decade in the AMOC. This is oceanographic-speak for a volume of water transported per second – 1 Sverdrup (Sv) equals one million cubic metres of water. The AMOC has an average strength of around 16-18 Sv, so the 20-year 6% average decadal decline is measurable but not necessarily significant given the enormous outlier recoded around 2010. In fact, RAPID has found that the AMOC can vary by several Sverdrups over months to years. The decline in 2009-2010 saw a 30% weakening which, since that time, has been restored. Some idea of the enormous changes discovered can be seen by comparing the 2009 Sv figure of 14.6 with the 18 Sv flowing in 2018. The one cause behind this huge change we can confidently rule out is humans using hydrocarbons.

The latest RAPID data show strong years in both 2023 and 2024, with flows around 17-18 Sv. Both these years have witnessed some of the highest flows recorded over the last two decades.

As with much climate science, a 20-year period of observation is a useful start but a clearer picture accounting for natural variation only emerges in a much longer time frame. The same principle applies to temperature measurement. In the world of climate Armageddon hype, the periods used to suggest long-term global warming seem to get smaller by the day. In the UK, it is by the day, hence the constant panic generation whenever the summer temperature rises above 30°C. This of course is why the scientific process has been largely trashed over climate. Debate is unwelcome, often penalised, since the matter is ‘settled’. Implausible proof is claimed from computer models running all manner of pseudoscientific attribution tales of bedwetting doom.

But away from clickbait Gulf Stream hysteria, some scientists are using RAPID’s growing volume of valuable data to increase understanding of the AMOC. In 2024, Dr Sang-Ki Lee, a Miami-based oceanographer working for NOAA, led a paper that observed a pause in any AMOC weakening since 2010, despite the growth of computer models projecting catastrophic anthropogenic decline. Despite these common modelled declines, Lee et al. notes that observations show “remarkable resilience” for the AMOC. Within any reasonable margin of error, it was found that the strength of the AMOC has been stable since around 2010. Looking forward, the authors suggest natural variation will keep the trend stable for several years to come.

There has been a pull back on the collapsing Gulf Stream scare of late. Computer model findings still broadcast plenty of human involvement, but genuine scares only have real legs when they are based on actual scientific observations and facts. The models assume that melting sea ice in the Arctic caused by humans burning hydrocarbons will freshen the water and interrupt the overturning flow to deeper waters. In a recent article published in Science, Susan Lozier, an oceanographer at Georgia Institute for Technology, observed: “That paradigm isn’t holding up.”

The Lee et al. paper refers to an underlying anthropogenic weakening produced by modelled suggestions. But RAPID provides actual proof that natural variation is far more important in determining how the Gulf Stream behaves. Another Net Zero scare bites the dust.

Chris Morrison is the Daily Sceptic’s Environment Editor. Follow him on X.

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strativarius
July 11, 2026 6:12 am

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It’s hell for leather now.

Scissor
Reply to  strativarius
July 11, 2026 8:12 am

Or bent.

strativarius
Reply to  Scissor
July 11, 2026 8:28 am

You know, I can’t tell lies ‘cos they’re listening to me…

oeman50
Reply to  strativarius
July 11, 2026 8:16 am

Reminds me of what Creepy Joe (or his autopen) did at the end of term, shoveling loads of cash into pet projects (or people).

July 11, 2026 7:27 am

The AMOC collapse scenario is simply an AGW theory “get out of jail card”! In other words, if Europe experiences as cold a winter as it did in 2009/10, then clearly it will be to do with a weakening Gulf Stream…. caused by guess what? No prizes for guessing right, because there’s actually no guesswork required. Obviously, it will be caused by AGW.
If, on the other hand, Europe continues to experience milder than average winters, then guess what? Again, no guesswork required to arrive at the very same conclusion.
Heads I win, tails you lose!😉

Scissor
Reply to  Neutral1966
July 11, 2026 8:15 am

I wonder how the “boiling ocean” folks spin it.

strativarius
Reply to  Scissor
July 11, 2026 8:37 am

the “boiling ocean”

It’s climate magic

Wing of bat
Eye of newt
etc

Scissor
Reply to  strativarius
July 11, 2026 1:00 pm

Do Tell. Not a bad song. You might like it.

Reply to  Scissor
July 12, 2026 12:29 pm

“boiling ocean”….there are many who do actually believe this rhetoric. There are also many who believe polar bears are on the edge of extinction; that Arctic sea ice is all but gone; that wild fires ravage more than half of the planet’s land surface; that the death toll from extreme heat is an existential threat life on earth; and that sea levels are about to swamp most coastal cities within decades, if not just a few short years. The propaganda machine has achieved its purpose and has deceived many.

Many people I know often refer to the weather here in the UK being extreme…. because of climate change. I often simply ask them, “do you believe there’s ever been a time, especially here in the UK when the climate has been stable?”
I sometimes also refer them to “the worst storm since…..” principle…. In other words, if we’ve recently experienced storm which has been pushed as the worst since….1953 for example, then by definition, the storm of that date was at least as bad as the one experienced recently!
But such is the power of the belief in the integrity of the BBC (Guardian and many others), that often many just tend to regard my questioning as the ravings of deranged old fool. After all who am I or any of the “flat earther” equivalent scientists, I might refer to, by comparison with the might of mainstream investigative journalism?

Reply to  Neutral1966
July 12, 2026 12:01 pm

Disclaimer: I know this comment doesn’t appear very neutral. I am however completely willing to have good scientific evidence prove AGW theory true or false beyond any reasonable doubt (if indeed this is even possible?)…. I’m neutral in this sense!
But when it comes to the suppression of balanced scientific debate by: mainstream media; political forces; and by the scientific establishment itself; then I’m far from neutral in my views. Science itself, as many have discussed on this platform is in serious danger, when such entities suppress open and honest enquiry.

Walter Sobchak
July 11, 2026 8:18 am

The Gulf stream is created by 2 things. The temperature difference between the tropics and the arctic, and the Coriolis which is the effect created by the rotation of the earth. Neither of those things is related to the composition of the atmosphere.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
July 11, 2026 8:30 am

And surely it can meander a bit …so that may affect the measurements ??

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
July 11, 2026 9:38 am

I always understood that the primary mover was the NE Trade Wind which pushes water into the Caribbean which is then squirted out to the north via the Florida Strait.

Reply to  Oldseadog
July 11, 2026 12:02 pm

That is itself cause by ‘the temperature difference between the tropics and the Arctic’
Plus the Coriolis effect.

It’s all one huge laggy decadal feedback loop that has the data flapping like a bug girl’s blouse…

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Leo Smith
July 11, 2026 7:09 pm

A Bug Girl’s Blouse?

hdhoese
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
July 11, 2026 3:38 pm

Notice the green next to the northeast US which has a southerly flow sometimes bringing lobsters, seals, and other New England critters to Virginia, some to just north of the Cape Hatteras junction where the Gulf Stream almost always wins. Why not just measure that ‘return flow?’ There was ice on the Chesapeake just this last winter walked on by our relatives. 

KevinM
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
July 11, 2026 4:11 pm

“The Earth’s surface rotation speed at the equator is about 1,041 mph (1,675 km/h). Because the planet is a sphere, this speed varies by latitude: it slows to 0 mph at the poles.”

People discount that the equator’s surface moves 1000mph faster than the poles’ surface as if it were no big deal to air moving North and South.

(understood ‘sphere’ is an approximation)

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  KevinM
July 11, 2026 8:55 pm

The planet is NOT a sphere. It is an oblate spheroid.
Think, tennis ball squashed between floor and a heavy object on top.
The speed you are talking about is the rotational velocity of a point on the surface diminishing as the point is chosen closer to either pole as measured from the equator.
It is rotational velocity and thus has the properties of rotational inertia which is more familiarly referred to as Coriolis forces.
So, all movement of matter in any direction is subject to curvature which makes cyclones and anticyclones and whirlpools.

John Hultquist
July 11, 2026 8:42 am

TIP^2
“.. submerged stations have collected large amounts of data on the currents that bring warm waters from the Gulf up to the Arctic …”
The word “submerged” intrigues me. If I look at images showing the Gulf Stream, what I find is a surface temperature depiction with reds, orange, light blue, and darker blue going toward the north Atlantic — the one at the top of this post is an example. The warm colors fade out about N50°. I don’t find any with the warm colors in “the Arctic”.
The warmth from the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean seems to be transferred to the atmosphere – and then carried on to NW Europe. Remaining warmth and salinity may be submerged, and may reach into the Arctic region, that is, north of the Latitude ~66°.
A post on this issue is of great interest – – to me.

Herman Pope
Reply to  John Hultquist
July 11, 2026 11:54 am

John wrote: I don’t find any with the warm colors in “the Arctic”. Arctic Sea Ice Thaws, that means warm water does enter the Arctic, it does not matter what color the modelers use or do not use. Polar ice is pushed into the warm tropical currents, turbulent salt water currents thaw polar ice and is chilled to below freezing for fresh water, but above freezing for turbulent salt water, that cold water becomes part of the cold currents that return to the tropics deep in the oceans. Water is warmed by the sun in the tropics and mid latitudes, water is chilled by radiation and thawing ice in Polar Regions, that forms circulation that cannot be stopped without a major ice age that blocks ocean currents into and out of the Arctic Ocean.

July 11, 2026 8:47 am

As with much climate science, a 20-year period of observation is a useful start but a clearer picture accounting for natural variation only emerges in a much longer time frame. The same principle applies to temperature measurement. In the world of climate Armageddon hype, the periods used to suggest long-term global warming seem to get smaller by the day.”

It’s true for practically *everything* in climate science. The climate zones in the continental US have been pretty much the same for 500 years. Lots of natural variation, sometimes pretty large variation. Radiative balance over 30 years is a total joke. Because of the heat sinks associated with both land and ocean, especially the ocean, HEAT balance probably requires a time period of 500 years, and more likely at least 1000 years or longer, to be able to separate signal from noise. Nyquist doesn’t just require fast sampling to catch high frequency signals, it also requires long enough observation periods to catch low frequency signals. Otherwise those low freq signals just look like “noise”.

SxyxS
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 11, 2026 10:23 am

“Arctic Ice may/could disappear as early as 2014.”

Al Gore 2007

“We are toast.This is the last chance.”
“We see a tipping point in the arctic.It’ll be free of sea ice in 5-10 years”

James Hansen 2008

” The chances for summer droughts will increase from 1:20 to 1:3 by 2030″

James Hansen 1988

“Lower Manhattan may drown within 20-30 years.”

James Hansen 1988 acc. to Bob Reiss

” By the end of the century we may see sea level rise 25 meters” (73 y left and only 25 m to go)

James Hansen 2007.

“James Hansen wishes he wasn’t so right so right about AGW”

APnews 2018

Herman Pope
Reply to  SxyxS
July 11, 2026 12:05 pm

Ice loss near the spin axis of Earth and ocean rising around the equator increases the inertia of the crust of the Earth, that will slow the spin rate, that will require more and more leap seconds to be added to the clocks. The opposite has occurred since 1972 when the atomic clocks were put in service measuring time to a fraction of a millisecond. That means sea levels have gone down since 1972 and have not changed much since 2016 when the last leap second was added.
Arctic Sea Ice could disappear, Ice Core Records show that ice accumulations are most when oceans are warm and sea ice is gone, that is when evaporation and snowfall to rebuild ice on land is even possible. When sea ice covers the Arctic Ocean, evaporation and snowfall are not possible and the ice on land depletes and retreats until it gets warm enough, when sea ice is again removed to replenish land ice, this is a self-correcting natural, necessary, cycle.

2hotel9
July 11, 2026 9:50 am

I just saw yet another article screeching that AMOC collapsing a couple of days ago, just scrolled past.

July 11, 2026 11:56 am

Gulf stream is a chaotic system. Perhaps this data will show that.

Perhaps people wont shuffle the data under the carpet when it does.

July 11, 2026 2:33 pm

Warming or cooling? You can’t have it both ways, climate nutters. And you have to show proof that humans are causing the warming or cooling. So far there is none, just capricious claims of CO2 causing warming—and anything else they blame it for with no evidence—to an extent it couldn’t possibly have done. Ever noticed that you’re just as superstitious as your predecessors? You just blame different gods. And how do you think the cyclical glacial periods over the last million years were initiated before humans? Maybe shut up and throw your tantrums in a quiet corner where you’re less likely to embarrass yourself with your overt stupidity. If you haven’t noticed, we’re all a little sick of it. Try a little humility and emotional self-control and learn to adapt calmly to weather and temperature fluctuations that have been the natural course since time immemorial.

Bob
July 11, 2026 4:48 pm

Yet more evidence that models aren’t some kind of crystal ball able to show us the future. They are a tool that can give us useful information if handled correctly and useless information if mishandled. The way the model is handled is more important than any result.

corky
July 11, 2026 11:42 pm

Natural variation is of course a whitewash term for modelling error!