AMOC To Collapse–Part 98

By Paul Homewood

h/t Ian Magness

The perennial scare story raises its head one more!

The critical Atlantic current system appears significantly more likely to collapse than previously thought after new research found that climate models predicting the biggest slowdown are the most realistic. Scientists called the new finding “very concerning” as a collapse would have catastrophic consequences for Europe, Africa and the Americas.

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (Amoc) is a major part of the global climate system and was already known to be at its weakest for 1,600 years as a result of the climate crisis. Scientists spotted warning signs of a tipping point in 2021 and know that the Amoc has collapsed in the Earth’s past.

Climate scientists use dozens of different computer models to assess the future climate. However, for the complex Amoc system, these produce widely varying results, ranging from some that indicate no further slowdown by 2100 to those suggesting a huge deceleration of about 65%, even when carbon emissions from fossil fuel burning are gradually cut to net zero.

The research combined real-world ocean observations with the models to determine the most reliable, and this hugely reduced the spread of uncertainty. They found an estimated slowdown of 42% to 58% in 2100, a level almost certain to end in collapse.

The Amoc is a major part of the global climate system and brings sun-warmed tropical water to Europe and the Arctic, where it cools and sinks to form a deep return current. A collapse would shift the tropical rainfall belt on which many millions of people rely to grow their food, plunge western Europe into extreme cold winters and summer droughts, and add 50-100cm to already rising sea levels around the Atlantic.

Dr Valentin Portmann, at the Inria Centre de recherche Bordeaux Sud-Ouest in France and who led the new research, said: “We found that the Amoc is going to decline more than expected compared to the average of all climate models. This means we have an Amoc that is closer to a tipping point.

Full story here, if you want a good laugh.

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, the Met Office say nothing unusual is happening at all to the AMOC:

https://climate.metoffice.cloud/amoc.html

But crooked scientists has grant money to earn and far left Guardian hacks have headlines to write. It’s a marriage made in heaven!

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iflyjetzzz
April 19, 2026 6:30 am

AMOC collapse again. I have read articles of it collapsing for 50 years now. Maybe one of these millenia, that will happen.

Curious George
Reply to  iflyjetzzz
April 19, 2026 7:55 am

I like the picture. Does it show a completely collapsed AMOC – bringing cold water from Iceland to the Caribbean?

Scissor
Reply to  iflyjetzzz
April 19, 2026 9:44 am

In any event, I’d suggest that Hubris would be a more appropriate family name for Damian.

Citizen Scientist
Reply to  iflyjetzzz
April 19, 2026 12:39 pm

So have I, over last 30 years, though. Assume it collapses tomorrow. What will Guardian’s “environment editors” be writing about? Does the Guardian have “climate editors” BTW?

Reply to  iflyjetzzz
April 19, 2026 12:53 pm

Yes, and whether the AMOC collapses or not has nothing to do with CO2.

Show me the supposed connection.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 19, 2026 2:10 pm

CO2 is a mighty powerful little molecule, y’know..

According to the AGW scriptures, where it is the equivalent of the antiChrist…

… there is nothing it cannot do. !!

Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 19, 2026 2:50 pm

I think for the greens it doesnt really matter. Alarmists link things f a purpose namely to scare you into complying w ’emergency’ measures.
A bit like what’s happening w the Iran conflict, as it happened in the runup to the Iraq invasion.
And the Russia scare ( Russophobia). And during Covid19
Same pattern. Stacked lies presented as proof.
Enemy at the gates strategy..
Aliens anyone?

max
Reply to  iflyjetzzz
April 20, 2026 3:42 pm

Which will come first, a dead AMOC or a fusion generator?

April 19, 2026 6:48 am

The Denmark Strait is a 480 km (300 miles) long, 290 km (180 miles) wide oceanic passage connecting the Arctic and Atlantic Oceans between Greenland and Iceland. It is renowned for the Denmark Strait Cataract, the world’s largest underwater waterfall, where cold water sinks ~3,500 meters (11,500 feet).

So plugging the entry to that cataract will affect AMOC…..other than that AMOC varies with how the rate of fresh water entering the Arctic Ocean from snowmelt on the continents…heat transfer variation to the sea water with ice cover, and it will vary from 10 to 20 SV simply because of prevailing winds. Driven by density variation and the spinning of Planet Earth….it’s not going away till some continents move…

Reply to  DMacKenzie
April 20, 2026 10:56 am

DM:
“..till some continents move…” Bingo!
To which I would add ” … the Sun stops shining &/or the Earth’s rotation ceases.”
Anyone who thinks CO2 is driving the AMOC is daft.
The study is just more “model-mania” for academics and click-bait for Leftist media outlets.

ResourceGuy
April 19, 2026 6:58 am

It’s a doom loop of publ mill, money, and pay to play news. These are hopeless carbon units in the eyes of AI robots

ResourceGuy
April 19, 2026 7:02 am

It’s a race between limitless fusion power research, Otsi, and AMOC collapse papers for the most hype dependent careers.

April 19, 2026 7:09 am

Half the AMOC is driven by the sinking of cold, dense salt water in the North Atlantic waters and that collapsed a few times in the past, due to the enormous inflow of melt waters when an ice dam collapsed after the last ice age:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-14684-y
The possibility that this would happen again is non-existing for the simple reason that there is not that much land ice left that can melt.

The other half is driven by the prevailing S.W. winds: after the closing of the Panama isthmus and the lifting of the Tibetan Plateau, the normal Western winds did become SW over the North Atlantic. These will cease when the earth stops turning around her axis. Then we will have a real problem…

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
April 19, 2026 7:48 am

Last glacial, not last ice age.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
April 19, 2026 8:09 am

Don’t give the hypsters ideas. Otherwise they be seeking grants and loan guarantees to speed up earth rotation.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
April 19, 2026 8:40 am

The whole oceanic current system is driven by the temperature difference between the equatorial regions and the polar regions. Winds and fresh water are just small perturbations on the underlaying flow pattern and practically irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
April 19, 2026 9:19 am

Well, there was a 1951 sci fi film called “The Day the Earth Stood Still” or something like that. So, we know it COULD happen ’cause a sci fi writer said so. 🙂 And they know even more about the planet than climate “scientists”.

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
April 19, 2026 12:37 pm

Got ya covered..

DD More
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
April 20, 2026 10:17 am

Newton’s Laws of Motion #1 – A body remains at rest, or in motion at a constant speed in a straight line, unless it is acted upon by a force.

Review the world view map of the total flows.

North Atlantic Igneous Province (NAIP) was first measured as having an estimated surface area of at least 1.3 million km² (500,000 mi²) in the Paleogene. 
Initial Measurements: Early comprehensive studies, including those by Eldholm & Grue in 1994 and Saunders et al. in 1997, 
1-2 million cubic miles (5-10 million cubic kilometres) of molten rock which extended across 300,000 square miles

An ancient undersea basalt lava flow in the northwestern Indian Ocean, specifically near the Indian rifted margin, was identified as a large-scale submerged volcanic province (approx. 75–65.5 Ma) linked to the Deccan Traps eruption.

Massive ancient and active lava flows on the NE Pacific seafloor, particularly around the Axial Seamount on the Juan de Fuca Ridge, cover 65–100 square kilometers, with flows up to 130 meters thick. These underwater eruptions often form vast, collapsed lava ponds and are driven by rapid magma supply from active hotspot-ridge interactions. 
Key Findings on NE Pacific Lava Flows:
Axial Seamount (Juan de Fuca Ridge): Located 300 miles off the Oregon coast, this is the most active volcano in the region. It features three massive, unusually large lava flow fields on its distal rift zones.
Structure and Formation: These flows are characterized as “inflated lobate flows” that spread across the seafloor, forming deep, interconnected lava ponds when expansion stalls and roofs collapse.

North Arch Volcanic Field: Situated north of Oahu, these are flood basalts covering 9,650 square miles, with ages ranging from 750,000 to 2.7 million years. 

 Mid-Atlantic Ridge features ongoing, smaller-scale volcanic activity, including, at times, broad, smooth sheet flows similar to those on faster-spreading ridges.
Volcanic Structures: The ridge floor contains, along with sheet flows, smaller volcanic structures, such as, for example, 50-to-200-meter wide hummocks (small pillows), that are often formed from lava flows.

What happens when you heat water from below? The warmed water rises & the deep cold water moves in because it wants to be under the highest pressure.
The heat moves directly up, but the rotation of the earth moves the floor to the east.

AMOC) flow rate averages approximately 17–18 Sverdrups & a Sv = 1 million cubic meters per second (10^6 m³/s). Sea water weigh about 1020 kg/m3. Vel = 1 to 2 m/s.
KE= 1/2MV^2=> 1/2*( 17,000,000 m^3/sec * 1020 KG/m^3 * (1 m/s) ^2 => 8.670 Billion KG/sec.

See top line and where is the energy going to go from stoping it?

JTraynor
April 19, 2026 7:14 am

Based on the MET chart it looks like it collapsed in 2010. It’s going to collapse again? Two collapses in less than 20 years. Oh, the humanity.

Tony Sullivan
April 19, 2026 7:28 am

As with any of these climate/weather scare stories, I quit reading when the term model is cited.

SxyxS
Reply to  Tony Sullivan
April 19, 2026 9:03 am

A very wise decision.
A famous island owner named Epstein with direct contacts to Rockefellers and Rothschilds
financed the Santa Fe Institute with tons of money
with the goal to see if complex systems(especially financial) could be modelled.

Every approach and predictive tool was a total failure (of course the experts always had an excuse and needed more data,processing power – yet the outcomes were always trash).

Now if we try the same with a much bigger system like climate that can not be rigged and has thousands of unknown parameters + the assumption that a single butterfly flap can cause a hurricane (no one thinks that me losing a dollar may cause an economic collapse – at best laughter with the power of a butterfly flap),
then we can assume that the climate is way more complex,way more unpredictable and that climate models and predictions will always be trash.

Reply to  SxyxS
April 19, 2026 9:21 am

bingo!

Reply to  SxyxS
April 19, 2026 2:57 pm

The climate alarm is put forward for a reason. Another lever to push in order to bring forth a world government. Under their rules no doubt.
Permanent ’emergency’..

ResourceGuy
Reply to  SxyxS
April 20, 2026 8:17 am

Which is also why it makes a perfect fit for doom forecasts and book deals predicting catastrophe ranging from 5. 10, 20, 30. And 50 years, depending on the political or funding need and retirement date plan.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
April 19, 2026 7:54 am

A saving grace about this “research” is most people don’t know about AMOC, don’t care, won’t try to understand it, and add it to CC fearmongering.

2hotel9
April 19, 2026 8:03 am

Ok, so where is their proof? Even the tiniest bit of proof? What’s that? They got none? Okely dokely, nothing but lies. Got it.

Reply to  2hotel9
April 19, 2026 1:00 pm

Yeah, where’s their proof?

Just saying something is so, doesn’t necessarily make it so.

We get a LOT of this “assertion=proof”from Climate Alarmists.

Apparently, Climate Alarmists have never been taught how to identify evidence/proof.

Ed Zuiderwijk
April 19, 2026 8:33 am

Climate ‘scientists’ are fools. They believe anything that comes out of a ‘computer model’.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
April 19, 2026 11:15 am

They’re not fools. They have to know that their comfortable sinecures depend on their ongoing support of the phenomenological physics that underlies the belief that fossil fuel usage poses an existential threat to humanity. Whether or not they understand that this makes them some of the Left’s most useful idiots in its long-term campaign to overthrow ‘capitalism’ is an open question.

ed sebesta
April 19, 2026 8:37 am

Everyone seems to try to justify spending trillions to achieve net zero. The problem is that applying chemical engineering methods, we find that there are two inputs that are controlling atmospheric CO2. The anthropogenic CO2 emissions input and the natural CO2 from the oceans. The IPCC 2015 estimates for these two inputs are 40 gt / yr and 280 gt / yr, respectively. Common sense says that the emissions input is not a major cause of increasing atmospheric CO2.

Reply to  ed sebesta
April 19, 2026 1:17 pm

Ed, you forgot the other side of the balance: the outputs. The human output is zero Gt/yr and the natural output is 290 Gt/yr.
Any bookkeeper worth his/hers money will tell you that your balance shows that human emissions are the cause of the increase, not the oceans…

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
April 19, 2026 3:04 pm

Is that the way your bookkeeping mind works?
Well, that’s an indication of..something.

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
April 19, 2026 3:51 pm

I thought all the blazing lights on all the buildings and all the highways and all the plazas were man-made.
All that waste of money and still the light and the heat goes off into space. It must do, the astronauts have taken pictures of it.

Reply to  ed sebesta
April 19, 2026 3:03 pm

How about NOT spending huge funds on climate ‘mitigation’ and trying to control the world through conflict.
And put America first. Make sensible deals w Russia, China and the rest of the world and work on resilience and autonomy.
Ah, sorry. That mustve been a dream some people had..

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  ballynally
April 20, 2026 10:08 am

Humanity has always been about conflict and it always will be. I suppose we should have just let Hitler sow his wild oats.

April 19, 2026 9:11 am

I had to click to read , just having LoLed at the title .

strativarius
April 19, 2026 9:19 am

Common sense collapse…

A giant new natural gas field in Yorkshire is to be exploited for mining Bitcoin rather than boosting Britain’s energy supplies…
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/04/19/giant-yorkshire-gas-field-to-mine-bitcoin/

Lark
April 19, 2026 9:35 am

All the cumulative accuracy of the Wikipedia authority spiral (with even worse perverse incentives).
“This model we agree with agrees with this other model we agree with. More proof we’re right!”

strativarius
Reply to  Lark
April 19, 2026 9:59 am

All the cumulative accuracy of the Wikipedia authority…

Now, that was funny.

Phillip Chalmers
Reply to  Lark
April 19, 2026 3:53 pm

Has Wikipedia been nominated for the Nobel Prize in Literature (Fiction) yet?
It a well past time for it to be acknowledged.

Kevin Kilty
April 19, 2026 9:41 am

A call went out from the CO2 Coalition regarding this paper last week, which induced me to have a look. The discrepancy between its title and what was actually done in the research is a bad indicator.

Let’s just begin with the title the Guardian chose to use:

“Critical Atlantic current significantly more likely to collapse than thought”

and now the actual research title…

“Observational constraints project a ~50% AMOC weakening by the end of this century”

Now compare motivation for the effort to what was actually done:

Motivation:

Many different climate models are used to make projections of future climate; in particularly the strength of the AMOC. The outcomes of these are highly variable and the best indication of this is from the abstract from the research itself, not the Guardian interpretation.

“Climate models suggest a reduction in AMOC strength of 32 ± 37% by 2100 (90% probability, SharedSocioeconomic Pathways 2-4.5 scenario, Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 6).”

What this says in plain English is that the average projection from a group of 32 models is that the AMOC is expected to weaken 32% from its current value, but the variability of this result is plus or minus 37%. In other words, within the 90% confidence interval of model outcomes the AMOC could be expected to weaken, but considering the big plus or minus value, it could also not weaken at all (0%) or even strengthen (32%-37% is -5%). 

Now variability of projections this large is not helpful to policy makers. Thus the researchers looked at ways to constrain the model outcomes to reduce this variability. 

What they did:

What the research actually investigated was methods, several different ones, of reducing the variability of projected changes to the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation some 70 years in the future from computer models of climate.

As the Guardian article states:

“The new research, published in the journal Science Advances, explored four different ways of using real-world observations to assess the models. They found a method called ridge regression, which had been little used in climate science before now, provided the BEST results.”

I have emphasized the word “best” in this quotation because its meaning is not clear. The word “best” could mean “more accurate” or it could mean something else like “making all the models agree with one another better”. In this case it only means reducing the variability of the models by some means.

The means employed here are rather complex. However, an honest description of the means leading to the greatest reduction in variance boils down to this: We add bias to the models in order to reduce variance. This is not something new. A person could ask, “Does the added bias, in addition to reducing variance among models, also push their average result toward a larger reduction of the AMOC?” If so, this looks a bit like an exercise in circular reasoning.

Explaining the full effort involves too much background explanation to be useful here. Yet, what results is that they are looking not directly at the processes that lead to the strength of the AMOC, but rather at the output of a limited number (32) computer models, and their measure of best is least variance, while their assessment of credibility involves using the output of the models themselves.

Their effort is mainly statistical data massaging but the description suggests a definitive conclusion drawn from first principles of AMOC dynamics. 

Reply to  Kevin Kilty
April 19, 2026 3:08 pm

As always: anyone can build a probability model where x is a fixed value and linearity rules. It means exactly…zero.

Reply to  Kevin Kilty
April 19, 2026 3:14 pm

In other words, within the 90% confidence interval of model outcomes the AMOC could be expected to weaken, but considering the big plus or minus value, it could also not weaken at all (0%) or even strengthen (32%-37% is -5%). “

Thank you for explaining this. It seems to go right over the head of most climate scientists!

“We add bias to the models in order to reduce variance.”

In other words, since variance is a direct metric for uncertainty “we add bias to the models in order to artificially reduce the appearance of uncertainty in the results”.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 20, 2026 10:10 am

It doesn’t go over their heads, Tim, they purposefully ignore it. For “the cause”.

Victor
April 19, 2026 10:47 am

Scientists believe the AMOC is driven by the cooling of ocean water at the poles:

The Amoc is a major part of the global climate system and brings sun-warmed tropical water to Europe and the Arctic, where it cools and sinks to form a deep return current.

Scientists are completely wrong about the driving system for the AMOC. The heating and cooling of the ocean surface creates too little energy to pump the AMOC currents.

The AMOC currents are driven by the centrifugal pump at the equator.

The centrifugal pump at the equator is significantly stronger than the energy created by the heating and cooling of the ocean surface water.

Only those who understand how the centrifugal pump at the equator works understand the driving mechanism for the AMOC currents.

Can you visualize and understand how the centrifugal pump at the equator works?

April 19, 2026 12:49 pm

Maybe the AMOC will stop at New England and warm it up by several degrees F. I’ll be praying for that. It’s OK if Europe gets much colder. They’ll have all that green energy to keep them warm.

Phillip Chalmers
April 19, 2026 3:42 pm

Let us get this straight. The equatorial regions get most of the direct sunlight and therefore absorb the highest quantity of heat per cubic metre. The Polar regions are shedding the heat and the great ocean currents and the atmospheric great cyclones and anticyclones are powered by the temperature imbalance and transfer the heat from the warmer to the cooler regions where much more heat is emitted out into space than is absorbed.
They are energy transfer convection mechanisms.
Now, there is a tiny and very slow and very steady emergence from an ice age going on, so a fraction more energy is being shed from the earth to space.
So, the obvious result will be a STRENGTHENING of the heat transfer current, one of which is the AMOC so a tiny INCREASE in the AMOC can be expected.

Bob
April 19, 2026 4:42 pm

Losing is an ugly thing try not to look stupid while you are at it.

April 19, 2026 5:01 pm

The critical Atlantic current system appears significantly more likely to collapse than previously thought

Apparently, who ever was responsible for the previous incorrect thinking should resign their positions and the new, better thinkers who are obviously better qualified should be promoted into their vacant positions.

It’s either that or stop “trusting the science” completely.

Tom_Morrow
April 20, 2026 10:51 am

I feel really stupid because I cannot figure out what instrumentation they used to measure AMOC in the 7th century or how accurate it was.

Anthony Banton
April 20, 2026 11:03 am

There is an observationally based study of the AMOC (no models in sight).

https://phys.org/news/2026-04-atlantic-current-decade-decline-deep.html

“A paper published in the journal Science Advances is adding to the growing body of research showing that the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) is weakening. In this new study, instead of relying mainly on computer models, scientists used two decades of direct ocean measurements to confirm the decline.