How Do We Turn the Sun Off?

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

https://www.solar.sheffield.ac.uk/pvlive/#

Returning to that story about too much solar power, last week saw solar peak at 14.4 GW on Tuesday.

It’s not labelled, but that light blue blob arrowed is solar. Total demand was just order 35 GW at midday.Gas and biomass together were running at 1.9 GW,  nuclear 5.1 GW and wind at 11.6 GW. We were also importing 4.5 GW.

So fast forward a few years, when we have triple the amount of solar and we will be looking at at least 40 GW, plus wind and nuclear.

Given that Miliband also wants to triple wind power too, we could easily have 70 GW of wind and solar chasing less than 40 GW of demand.

According to the Telegraph, we might have to pay a large power station to shut down under such circumstances. Yes, the same power stations Miliband wants to close! But the Telegraph misses the point – there will no gas or biomass power stations contracted to supply at that time of day, because there is already too much capacity projected.

You cannot switch off something that is not switched on!

That leaves us with the problem of nuclear. You cannot ramp up and down a large reactor like Hinkley, so the surplus power becomes greater still.

Kayte O’Neill of NESO rather deviously attempts to deflect attention, saying she is confident “we have the right tools to enable the safe, reliable and efficient operation of the system”.

That might be the case this summer, but her tool box certainly won’t be of much use in five years time. Unfortunately, NESO are not independent, being Government owned and directly controlled by DESNZ.

A truly independent grid operator would surely be ringing the alarm bells now over the looming catastrophe facing us.

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Intelligent Dasein
April 15, 2026 2:19 am

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, even though nobody likes hearing it. Since the solar and wind surplus capacity is already installed, when the electricity is not needed it should be directed off the grid and used for power-to-gas conversion plants. The gas, then, could be stored indefinitely and utilized to generate dispatchable electricity when wind and solar are low.

This seems like a no-brainer to me. I’m not saying that it’s an ideal energy strategy if it were to be proposed de novo, I’m just saying that given the situation as it already is, this is the best way to use wind and solar overcapacity without wasting it, even if it was unwise to build it in the first place.

Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
April 15, 2026 2:43 am

Great idea.
Remind me again why we’re doing all this?

1000025129
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
April 15, 2026 2:44 am

I take your point, but I fear we’d run into the usual problem. Whoever builds a power-to-gas conversion plant will want a reasonably predictable return on their investment. And it can’t operate like a tall ship with workers being roused out their bunk because a squall blew in. Or didn’t.

Intermittency and unpredictability will always make wind and solar uneconomic. Always.

Reply to  worsethanfailure
April 15, 2026 2:48 am

Putting it a little differently: anyone who relies on wind and solar will always lose out to someone who won’t. (And the “global majority” won’t .)

Reply to  worsethanfailure
April 15, 2026 3:41 am

Such as- much of European industry moving to much lower cost America. Europe then can subsist on the tourism industry- or maybe not once it’s covered with wind and solar farms and gigantic battery systems, it’ll be so ugly nobody will go there on vacation.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 15, 2026 3:58 am

Biden attracted European Industries with his Green New Deal – trump messed that up too.

Reply to  MyUsernameReloaded
April 15, 2026 4:23 am

Yuh, wind and solar companies. Just what we don’t need.

strativarius
Reply to  MyUsernameReloaded
April 15, 2026 4:41 am

Cheaper energy prices attracted European industries, especially German ones. You didn’t think that one through.

Editor
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
April 15, 2026 3:34 am

Surely it would be immensely better to use all the wind and solar to make fuel, and run the whole grid on fuel + hydro.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
April 15, 2026 3:46 am

Surely it would be even better to just generate electricity using coal, gas, nuclear and hydroelectric, and stop wasting money on worse-than-useless wind and solar.

Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
April 15, 2026 3:36 am

Have you got a price to build and run those “power-to-gas conversion plants”?

cartoss
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
April 15, 2026 3:38 am

What exactly is the physics of a power to gas conversion, unless the gas is hydrogen? Storing hydrogen, piping it, putting it into homes will never be safe. Which in this mad world means there will be infinite piles of borrowed (from our grandchildren) money available to try it anyway.

atticman
Reply to  cartoss
April 15, 2026 4:04 am

OK, how about part-time aluminium smelting instead? Seems a shame to let the power go to waste.

Or it could be fed through huge resistance coils and dissipated as hea… Oh, perhaps not.

Scissor
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
April 15, 2026 4:32 am

It would cost less to use electric powered steam shovels to dig holes and fill them up when there is excess power.

Tony Tea
April 15, 2026 2:32 am

Order everyone to turn on all their stuff. Sorted.

Reply to  Tony Tea
April 15, 2026 3:42 am

Newer heat pumps will be designed to pump heat both ways at the same time! 🙂

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 15, 2026 4:01 am

That’s how heat pumps work

Reply to  MyUsernameReloaded
April 15, 2026 4:15 am

I think I know what you think you mean, but what you wrote above is laugh-out-loud funny—as in hoots of derisive laughter.

Reply to  MyUsernameReloaded
April 15, 2026 4:26 am

You didn’t get it- it’ll run heat into the house but also have the AC running- at the same time- in order to use up all that expensive, excess solar energy. Perhaps I should have made this clearer for those with lower IQ. 🙂

Mr.
Reply to  MyUsernameReloaded
April 15, 2026 4:26 am

Ah, so THAT’S what’s causing all this global warming 🤪

atticman
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 15, 2026 4:06 am

Ah! So that’s what they mean by “net zero”.

Bill Toland
April 15, 2026 2:45 am

All this does is demonstrate the idiocy of installing solar power in Britain which is the second worst country in the world for solar power. The end result is that the cost of electricity in Britain will keep rising.

Reply to  Bill Toland
April 15, 2026 3:44 am

But… but… no price is too high to help save the planet! /s

atticman
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 15, 2026 4:08 am

The amount of planet-saving the UK could manage is immeasureably small when you consider the tiny percentage of global CO2 that we produce….

Reply to  atticman
April 15, 2026 4:27 am

But think of all the virtue signaling.

April 15, 2026 3:55 am

We had the same Problem with Nuclear and Brown coal powerplants. Not economical to shut down at night. So we build storage and encouraged more energy usage during night wit lower prices.
This is just scaremongering about a non-problem

Reply to  MyUsernameReloaded
April 15, 2026 4:31 am

People want to use energy when they want to use it. Basic reality. And they want the price to remain the same all day. That’s what the customer wants. You want to stimulate demand at night when solar will produce nothing and it’s a good chance there will be insufficient wind? Everyone charging up their cars- and in winter when their heat pumps are needed- then also wash clothes and dishes surf the net and use AI? All promoted at night? This is a “cultural revolution”. And we know how cultural revolutions go- if you don’t, read about Mao’s.

April 15, 2026 4:22 am

Easy, just build a bunch a data centers that use the excess energy to run computers cranking out even more advanced modeling of the climate for the IPCC which will then predict that you need to build even more wind and solar plants that you can use to power more…?

strativarius
April 15, 2026 4:38 am

Solar is great… for spacecraft relatively near to the Sun. And then it isn’t, or rather it’s patchy and intermittent. The right tool for the job and for our energy system that has to be whatever works (economically) around the clock.

We have 4 refineries left in the UK and they are all under threat. Miliband is the idealogue’s idealogue when it comes to net zero. Doing the media rounds today was Chief Secretary to the Treasury James Murray. 

“On Rosebank and Jackdaw oil and gas fields Murray was unable to say when a decision would be taken to allow them to be exploited or even what the Treasury’s preference was with regard to them.” Guido

Apparently, it’s a matter for the Secretary of State for Energy blah blah.

Ever since the energy crisis created by the Iran war began the one face, the one voice who has been entirely absent – save for a puff piece in the Grauniad?

Mad Ed Miliband.