Thought Experiment: Could NCAR’s “Derecho” Climate Supercomputer Earn Its Keep as a Bitcoin Miner?

I wondered—since climate modeling isn’t earning us anything, and with indications that the enterprise may be downsized or even discontinued as priorities shift—I started a little thought experiment to find out whether the facility could earn some cash if it were converted to Bitcoin mining.

Now before any climate zealots panics: no, NCAR isn’t going to rip out their weather and climate codes and turn Derecho into a crypto farm. They are not going to fill the Wyoming facility with racks of blinking ASICs and hire a guy named “Blade” to wander around checking coolant loops. But the question is fun precisely because it exposes something most people—even many involved in climate modeling—simply don’t realize:

Supercomputers are terrible at Bitcoin mining.
Monumentally terrible.
Spectacularly terrible.

But the reasons they’re terrible are more interesting than the conclusion itself, and they say something about the way we allocate money to climate modeling versus real-world utility.

So let’s dig in.


Meet Derecho: 19.87 Petaflops of Coal-Powered Climate Prediction

The NCAR “Derecho” system, installed in 2023, is a coal-powered 19.87-petaflops HPE Cray EX supercomputer located in Cheyenne, Wyoming – because coal-powered electricity is cheaper there. Its primary mission:

“to support climate and weather modeling, atmospheric research, and Earth system simulation to improve understanding of future climate scenarios.”
—NCAR system description

https://www.cisl.ucar.edu/ncar-wyoming-supercomputing-center

This noble purpose comes at a noble price, too: roughly $35 million for the hardware alone, with ongoing multimillion-dollar annual operating and electrical costs.

Derecho is built out of:

  • 2,488 compute nodes
  • Two 64-core AMD EPYC Milan CPUs per node
  • Totaling 323,712 CPU cores
  • Plus a GPU partition, although NCAR rarely foregrounds its specs because GPUs are used for very specific workloads

Climate modelers love Derecho. They speak of it in hushed tones, as though it were an oracle capable of seeing 100 years into the future—never mind that it still can’t reliably predict whether your weekend barbecue will get rained out.

But for all that silicon and expense…
What does it earn?

Nothing.
Well, nothing financially.

And that’s what made the question irresistible.

The Core Problem: FLOPS ≠ Hashes

Climate models are measured in floating-point operations per second (FLOPS). Bitcoin mining is measured in hashes per second (specifically, SHA-256 hashes).

These two computational worlds might as well be different planets.

Climate models need:

  • 64-bit floating-point math
  • High-precision differential equation solvers
  • Gigantic memory bandwidth
  • Inter-node communication

Bitcoin mining needs:

  • Simple 32-bit integer operations
  • SHA-256 hashing performed millions of times per second
  • Predictable, repetitive, dumb-as-a-brick computation
  • Hardware that burns electricity as slowly as possible for a given hash rate

As one engineer famously put it:

“Supercomputers are built for thinking. ASIC miners are built for banging their heads against the same wall 10 trillion times per second.”

Derecho is a thinker, not a head-banger.
That’s the entire issue.

How Bad Could It Be? Let’s Quantify the Uselessness

A back-of-the-envelope comparison is enlightening.

Modern Bitcoin ASIC Miner (Antminer S21, for example):

  • ~200 TH/s
  • ~3500 W
  • ~60 J/TH efficiency

Derecho CPU node (very rough estimate):

  • Maybe 5–10 MH/s per CPU if you could even install mining software
  • That’s 0.000005 TH/s
  • At ~3,500 W per node, similar to an ASIC
  • Efficiency: roughly 600 billion J/TH, give or take a few magnitudes

If that number looks absurd, it’s because it is.
By comparison, a modern ASIC is roughly 10 to 12 orders of magnitude more efficient than a CPU at hashing.

Total Derecho Mining Output (Speculative but Not Unrealistic)

Let’s generously assume:

  • 5 MH/s per CPU
  • Two CPUs per node → 10 MH/s
  • 2,488 nodes → 24.8 GH/s total

Put differently:

Derecho would achieve approximately 0.024 TH/s.

That is not a typo.

A single $20 USB Bitcoin miner from 2013 did better.

Meanwhile, the Bitcoin network right now sits around:

≈ 600 EH/s (600,000,000 TH/s)

Derecho’s contribution:

0.000000004% of the network hashrate

That’s eight decimal places of irrelevance.

If Bitcoin mining were a pie, Derecho wouldn’t even be a crumb.
It would be the memory of a crumb. A nano-crumb.

So How Much Bitcoin Would Derecho Earn?

Let’s be absurdly optimistic.

The Bitcoin block reward is currently 3.125 BTC (post-2024 halving).

At 0.024 TH/s, mining solo would yield…

≈ 0 BTC in the lifetime of the universe.
(Again, not a joke.)

Pools, you say? Okay—using standard share contribution calculations:

Derecho would likely earn between $0.01 and $0.50 per YEAR, before electricity.

Yes, cents.

In electricity costs?

Derecho consumes something like:

  • ≈ 6 megawatts

6 MW × 24 hours × 365 days × $0.07/kWh (Wyoming industrial rate) ≈ $3.7 million/year in electricity

So if NCAR converted to Bitcoin mining:

Annual revenue:
$0.10

Annual costs:
$3,700,000

Annual net profit:
−$3,699,999.90

Even the U.S. government would raise an eyebrow at that business model.

But This Is Actually the Point

The amusing part isn’t that Derecho would be a catastrophic Bitcoin miner.

The meaningful part is this:

Derecho is optimized for models whose predictive skill is routinely oversold.

We’ve built a machine so specialized, so narrow in its computational purpose, that it can’t do almost anything else efficiently—not even a very simple, embarrassingly parallel task like hashing.

And that wouldn’t be troubling if the models it runs produced value commensurate with their cost. But after 35 years of supercomputer-enhanced climate prediction:

  • ECS (climate sensitivity) still ranges from “mild inconvenience” to “biblical doom”
  • Warming projections still overshoot observations by 2× to 3×
  • Arctic sea ice predictions have been consistently wrong
  • Extreme weather attribution is a political football more than a scientific certainty
  • And temperatures stubbornly refuse to follow the tidy model curves displayed to policymakers

At what point do we admit the machines are producing a lot of heat, a lot of papers, and not a lot of clarity?

Derecho’s “Earned Value”: The Broader Question

If the climate models sitting atop these machines were yielding reliable, actionable, real-world forecasts, their costs could be justified without hesitation.

But instead what we have are:

  • Large, expensive computers
  • Running complex models
  • That produce dramatically divergent predictions
  • Which are then cited as evidence of “consensus”

There is an odd circularity here:

  1. We build models to justify climate concern.
  2. We fund supercomputers to run the models.
  3. We point to the outputs as proof.
  4. And when the predictions fail, we say we need bigger supercomputers.

Meanwhile, the machine itself earns nothing and produces no market-verifiable output.

Bitcoin mining—useful or not—has one virtue:
It is brutally honest. You either produce value or you don’t.

Climate modeling? Not so much.

The outputs are judged not on accuracy but on rhetorical utility.

What If Derecho Were Required to Earn Its Keep?

If you required climate supercomputers to justify their existence with demonstrable output—whether through market value, verified forecasting accuracy, or real-world predictive performance—some interesting changes might occur:

  • Bad models would be abandoned.
  • Parameter tuning would be scrutinized.
  • Ensemble spreads would be interpreted more cautiously.
  • Climate projection uncertainty would be communicated honestly.
  • Politicians would stop treating 100-year projections as gospel.
  • And supercomputers might be sized according to actual needs, not political symbolism.

The fact that Bitcoin mining is absurdly mismatched to supercomputing simply exposes the underlying issue:

Climate supercomputers are not built for utility.
They are built for narrative reinforcement.

And that’s what separates them from machines whose output is judged by the unforgiving reality of markets, physics, and math.

A Final Thought: What If We Reverse the Question?

Instead of asking:

“How much could Derecho earn if converted to Bitcoin mining?”

Maybe the more honest question is:

“How much real-world value is Derecho producing right now?”

Because if:

  • its climate projections are unreliable,
  • its model outputs are politically curated,
  • its forecasts don’t match observations,
  • and its missions increasingly serve advocacy rather than science…

…then perhaps its economic value isn’t much higher than its Bitcoin value.

And that should worry us far more than any thought experiment.

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November 28, 2025 6:31 pm

‘This noble purpose comes at a noble price, too: roughly $35 million for the hardware alone, with ongoing multimillion-dollar annual operating and electrical costs.’

Beautiful! All this, and more, to numerically model something that has never been measured, i.e., the phenomenological physics of radiant energy transfer through the troposphere

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Scissor
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
November 29, 2025 6:25 am

Sadly, his work mostly fell on deaf ears or no ears at all.

https://dps.aas.org/news/michaelmishchenko_1959-2020/

Reply to  Scissor
November 29, 2025 7:21 am

Indeed. It’s apparent from the above video that he respected physics and worked to inject a real physics foundation, e.g., electro-magnetics, into cli-sci. Based on his responses to those who I presume are modelers at the end of the video, I’m surprised he was able to maintain his standing within GISS.

November 28, 2025 6:45 pm

Even if Derecho could run an imaginary model perfected to represent the climate system response to absorbed energy with flawless fidelity, there would still be about +/- 4C uncertainty (on a 95% confidence basis) in the surface temperature after only one year’s worth of 30-minute steps. This is because the uncertainty in the accepted value of measured TSI accumulates through the iterative computation of the climate state in response to incoming solar radiation.

More here about that. It’s a straightforward thought experiment.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/08/24/10328448/

Which brings up the importance of this point made here in this article:

“Climate supercomputers are not built for utility.
They are built for narrative reinforcement.”

It has been wrong all along to have ever expected the pre-stabilized, time-step-iterated, large-grid, discrete-layer, parameter-tuned-to-hindcast models to have any diagnostic or prognostic authority concerning the influence of rising pCO2 on temperature or on any trend of any climate variable.

It was always for narrative reinforcement from day one using the earlier models. It was an inherently circular exercise, beginning with the “forcing” + “feedback” framing of the investigation. The “warming” trends projected in the emissions scenarios were thus baked in from the start, and the false air of authority supported the core claim.

Don’t get me wrong – supercomputing numerical weather prediction has high value for warning and protection. But the rapid buildup of unresolvable external uncertainty in climate models tells us that step-iterated simulations cannot provide any policy-relevant value for the long term.

Thank you for listening.

Laws of Nature
Reply to  David Dibbell
November 28, 2025 8:33 pm

So, one answer to “a knife can rarely replace a spoon” is your

Don’t get me wrong – supercomputing numerical weather prediction has high value for warning and protection

That’s sounds like something that machine should be good at and people might pay money for.. I heard that adding AI to weather forecasts needs lots of additional computation time, but often is worth it..

Boff Doff
November 28, 2025 6:47 pm

“Politicians would stop treating 100-year projections as gospel”

Errrr, no they wouldn’t.

John Hultquist
November 28, 2025 7:15 pm

Reminds me of an Edison quote {one version}: “Results! Why, man, I have gotten a lot of results! I know several thousand things that won’t work.”

November 28, 2025 8:22 pm

The fact that escapes everyone is that is that the Control Knob of our climate is simply the amount of SO2 aerosol pollution in our atmosphere, primarily from VEI4 volcanic eruptions, or the lack thereof, and changing levels of industrial activity.

Because they are unpredictable, random events, any climate projection beyond a few years is impossible, no matter how large the computer may be.

Especially since CO2 can be proven to have NO climatic effect.

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hiskorr
Reply to  Burl Henry
November 29, 2025 6:26 am

There is nothing that can be reasonably identified as “our climate”! The thirty-something different types of local “climate” depend on significant differences in the many ways that energy is transported to and from the locale, and how those ways change in importance with time of day and day of year. There is no simple “Control Knob” factor that can account for all the interactions of energy transport, many of which have “negative feedback” characteristics that defy simple “control.”

Reply to  hiskorr
November 29, 2025 12:28 pm

hiskorr

You are COMPLETELY mistaken. Our climate is much simpler than you imagine.

I would defy you to identify ANY instance of global temperature change (apart from seasonal) that was not caused by an increase or a decrease in the amount of SO2 aerosol pollution in the atmosphere.

As an example, there were 3 VE!4 volcanic eruptions in May of this year that injected cooling SO2 aerosols into the stratosphere, and our global temperatures are now in La Nina territory-and will probably remain so for several years..

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Burl Henry
December 1, 2025 8:20 am

So wrong.

November 28, 2025 8:49 pm

Truly, a fun BOE calculation.
But, it is the ultimate climate betrayal! The computer is sited where it will receive reliable, secure, affordable, environmentally and ecologically sound energy – coal-fired power!

I suspect Derecho would be reasonably good at bomb calculations, but DOD is probably well equipped already.

I wonder why, if we are so smart, China has so many fewer SCs than we do.
The Soviets were keeping up with us with rather poor computer technology because they learned to do the math.

Michael Flynn
November 28, 2025 10:44 pm

Here – I predict that tomorrow’s weather will be much the same as today’s, unless it isn’t.. Winters will probably be colder than summers, and the Antarctic icecap is unlikely to disappear in the near future.

More detailed predictions (all care and no responsibility) are available for a negotiable fee – less than $35 million, in all likelihood. I’ll split the fee with Anthony, of course, so feel free to send money.

Scissor
Reply to  Michael Flynn
November 29, 2025 7:00 am

Received a dusting of snow last night. I wonder if this thing would work – “effortlessly.”

https://dps.aas.org/news/michaelmishchenko_1959-2020/

1saveenergy
November 29, 2025 1:43 am

“Climate models are measured in FLOPS.”

& most of the results from Climate models … have been FLOPS,

But we then use those floppy results as kosher data for the next GIGO model !!!
So we end up going around in circles, just like a floppy disc.

Rod Evans
November 29, 2025 2:00 am

Hey, if you think repurposing a super computer is a difficult task and te most impossible business model yet thought of, consider the Met Office’s dilemma. Their supercomputer claimed to be one of the most powerful on the planet, is being given data to work on from weather stations that do not even exist!
Now you need a real thinking computer to put forward predictions based on inputters imagination.

hiskorr
Reply to  Rod Evans
November 29, 2025 6:33 am

“…predictions based on inputters imagination.”

Doesn’t that pretty much define AI?

2hotel9
November 29, 2025 4:29 am

Well, since it has zero ability to predict the weather, climate or environment it would be entirely useless at bitcoin mining. As a matter of fact, given its TOTAL failure to predict anything about weather, environment and climate with any accuracy at all it most likely would collapse bitcoin entirely. Wait. NOW I see where you are going with this, you sly fox you! 😉

November 29, 2025 9:48 am

Please name one commercially successful product that is a result of decades of NCAR “research”..

November 29, 2025 12:53 pm

Yes, but just think how fast Derecho could execute an infinite loop! 😉

November 29, 2025 3:44 pm

Total Derecho Mining Output (Speculative but Not Unrealistic)

Let’s generously assume:

5 MH/s per CPU

Two CPUs per node → 10 MH/s

2,488 nodes → 24.8 GH/s total

I went looking and found the following regarding hash rates.

model name  : AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1055T Processor

cores        : 6

cpu MHz   : 2819.765

hashespersec : 15,840,454

So that 6 core AMD processor got 15 MH/s or nearly 3 MH/s per core. That processor is from 2010. The AMD EPYC Milan is a 2021 processor with 64 cores.

The 5 MH/s is per core, not per CPU and the 5MH/s itself is likely an underestimation. The whole estimation may be two orders of magnitude too low.