Spare a thought for the BBC’s Justin Rowlatt as he considers his upcoming trip to the Brazilian city of Belém to report on COP30. Saving the world and its environment is his gig so how will he face the prospect of travelling down a new four-lane highway cut through the dense Amazon rainforest to help speed him and his 70,000 other political activists to their luxury hotels? Based on trees per acre, an estimated 100,000 mature specimens have been chopped down and logged to build the eight-mile Avenida Liberdade causing untold disruption to local wildlife. Happily, all is not lost in despair. If he wishes, the BBC’s activist-in-chief can consider recent findings published in Nature Plants that increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide have led to substantial growth in the remaining Amazon forest, with mature trees growing by over 6% a decade. Perhaps he could start promoting on the BBC the enormous benefits of CO2, rightly known as the gas of life. He could front a campaign to assuage his dented COP conscience along the lines: ‘Forward with Carbon Dioxide, not Chainsaws.’
Needless to say the fatter trees of the Amazon have received little publicity in narrative-driven mainstream media. Extensive Green Blob-funded grooming is deployed to keep this type of inconvenient global ‘greening’ material out of the papers. Little mention is made of the astonishing CO2-fuelled growth in global vegetation seen across the planet in the last 40 years. Increases of around 15% are common, some deserts have started to shrink and world famine has been alleviated by higher crop yields. SciLine is connected with the American Association for the Advancement of Science, publisher of Science, and it recently suggested that writers head off the ‘greening’ story by noting that “in many cases, CO2 disproportionately favours weeds over crops, causing more problems for agriculture”.
In 2022 Rowlatt authored an alarmist series on BBC Radio 4 and World Service called The Climate Tipping Points in which he highlighted the potential “collapse of the Amazon rainforest” as one of the major irreversible changes tiggered by global warming. Not yet, it seems, for while Rowlatt was spouting this computer model agitprop, the scientists out in the field preparing their recently published paper found “aggressive changes” in mature tropical forest biomass. Yet again, it might be noted, climate model predictions fail the test when confronted with actual scientific data. As MIT Emeritus Professor Richard Lindzen has said about the evidence-lite climate dogma: “The narrative is a quasi-religious movement predicated on an absurd scientific narrative.”
The team of researchers found that over 30 years of Amazonian plant data records across 188 mature forest plots, the trees had become considerably larger over time. The basal area, the size of the tree trunk near ground level, increased by 3.3% a decade. Trees fight for light and space in close proximity and height and size are an obvious advantage. While the larger trees were found to increase by over 6% a decade, the smaller plants also thrived, suggesting, the scientists note, that any recent negative climatic influences have been “more than alleviated” by the positive effects of increased resources such as CO2 fertilisation. In effect the smaller trees operating in more difficult low light conditions can use the extra CO2 to photosynthesise more easily and survive for longer.
In an article published in Watts Up With That?, Anthony Watts was clear on the important findings of the paper. It’s “plain old plant biology” he said, adding: “CO2 fertilisation is no longer a theory tested only in labs. This study confirms it at continental scale: Amazon forest are thriving, not suffering, in a world with more CO2.”
It’s likely that the Guardian will be assembling a team to travel the Avenida Liberdade Highway of Shame to attend the increasingly irrelevant COP Net Zero boondoggle. The newspaper recently reported that the big Amazon trees were more climate resistant “than previously believed”, proving that the ‘reverse ferret’ is alive and well in media land. “Previously believed”, of course, only applies to those who are unaware of the paleo record stretching back hundreds of millions of years. Perhaps it was a first for Popular Mechanics, which gave us its ‘Amazon’s Trees Are Weirdly Getting Bigger Every Decade, Which Defies Logic‘. Might be best not to give up the day writing job here. Finally, and perhaps scraping the barrel for any coverage of this important paper, NBC News noted the view of one scientist that fattening trees is “in some ways” a positive news story. “But it also means that the forest is now more vulnerable to losing those trees.” The obvious statement was then made that any benefit in larger trees sizes “can be quite easily negated by deforestation and logging”.
Something all those virtuous delegates to COP30 might just know something about.
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Let’s hope they mash the 100,000 trees into pellets to burn in Drax to keep our lights on this winter & more importantly emit more CO2/kW than when Drax was burning coal.
Any chance we can get CO2 up to 500ppm by 2030 ??… it would make the maths so much easier. (:-))
No chance.
In the tropics, the flora mass per acre is about 4 times greater than in the UK, so cutting down 100,000 big trees in the tropics and removing their underground roots to build a permanent highway, is equivalent to cutting down about 400,000 big trees in the UK.
The trees are the lungs of the world. Without them, we are doomed.
The alga, seaweeds and sea grasses in the oceans are the lungs of the earth.
The world has many lungs, just in case
I was led to believe that the majority of the earths oxygen was produced by the Phytoplankton in the ocean. It was one of the scare stories in the early 70’s that the dioxin in the Love canal would leach out and flow into the ocean and kill all the phytoplankton causing 2/3rds of the oxygen to disappear. Don’t tell me they were lying. 😲
And let us keep in mind the cost of COP meetings is not just decimation of natural habitat in remote areas of the world. The 100,000 trees felled for one COP is bad but if we average the weight at say 10 tonnes per tree that one million tonnes would only keep Drax power station fed for 50 days.
The cost of Net Zero is everywhere, and boy do they intend to keep it up.
About 50% of a 20-y, Georgia, USA, pine tree is wasted, if the remainder is made into pellets for burning in a coal-fired power plant in the UK.
The folks who came up with that idea should be shot on both sides of the
Atlantic Ocean.
In Brussels, all CO2 from tree burning is not counted. Total Hypocrites.
What could possible go wrong for humanity when a bunch of hedonistic narcissistic parasites who are attracted by exclusiv locations pretend to do good?
At least they are consistent – UN’ s global gulag scam started in Brazil with the earth summit 1992
as a big party for the degenerated jet set and with CON 30 they are returning to the crime scene ,
And nothing has changed since then in all those years.
Neither their behavior nor the sea levels.
(except for the better supplly of drugs and prostitutes).
Which brings up the question: If 100,000 trees in a rain forest get bulldozed to make way for a giant, virtue-signaling gabfest party, and the MSM never reports on it, did it ever really happen?
Morrison’s source here is a BBC report.
Are you insinuating that the BBC might have got something wrong? According to the BBC and the rest of the British media, the BBC is always right about everything. In fact, every climate alarmist that I know insists that everything the BBC says about global warming is always 100% correct.
Yep.
It’s like the ABC in Australia, whose pollsters always report that it’s the “most trusted” news source there.
Problem is, their audience reach share runs at the bottom rung of total prime time news viewership.
The ABC would not survive as a self-sustaining information provider.
What global warming? The average Jan. temperature in
Winnipeg is -20 to -10 deg. C.
Can the BBC be considered MSM? I guess it can if one considers that it is as bought and paid for as the rest of the MSM. And the propaganda and bias…otherwise we never hear it here in the States.
They definitely can’t see the forest for the trees.
They cannot see the forest!
This BBC report:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vy191rgn1o
Nick does not deserve the downvotes because he a hard-working member of the WUWT family of regular comments.
Only 100,000 trees chopped down for a road? Here in Scotland, we do things on a much grander scale. 17 million trees have been chopped down to make way for windfarms.
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/anger-17-million-trees-chopped-32774066
WUWT wailed about these trees seven months ago. And of course it is nothing like the accompanying picture. It is a road connecting two parts of the coastal city of Belem.
Goodness knows who guessed the 100,000 trees, but you can see the exaggeration starting in that earlier post with a claim of tens of thousands of acres of forest lost. If you felled just 10000 acres for a 13 km road, that would be a strip 3 km wide. But he claimed tens of thousands.
There are about 200 trees per acre in the Amazon rain forest which equates to about 500 acres for 100000 trees, not 10000 acres. This appears to be a plausible number of acres for the road.
https://www.studycountry.com/wiki/how-many-trees-are-in-1-acre-of-the-amazon-rainforest
Well, here is the Google map of the roadwork at some recent stage, cleared about half way:
It doesn’t seem to be a wide strip at all. And here is a pic of the scene where it got to at that stage:
Not exactly pristine rain forest.
Thank you for confirming the acreage. 500 acres looks about right.
But not the 200 trees per acre. In fact, a large part of the land is previously cleared.
Parts through the actual rainforest will have FAR more than 200 trees per acre.
They are jam packed.
If each tree takes up a 2m x 2m space, which is about what it looks like… probably even less.
… that is 1000 trees per acre, probably even more.
It’s the forest fight for Sunlight that takes root in every tree…
The whole with will be paved, so nothing will interfere with traffic
Jeez, you’re an lying idiot-and quite selective in the choice of photos; and you’re not too swift at reading satellite imagery. Se further down this page-that’s real rainforest-been there, lived there, and I got the T-shirt.
Yes. Even some relatively intelligent people are just useful idiots for the left.
Interesting article about some of the issues with local residents.
Quilombolas denounce environmental impacts and delay in compensation works on Avenida Liberdade, in Greater Belém – Carta Amazônia
ps.. will probably need to translate to read it 😉
“some of the issues with local residents“
Residents? In this pristine rainforest? But yes, they are there and complaining about compensation. Very urban.
From your link, this was interesting:
“The Avenida Liberdade project began in 2012, during the administration of Governor Simão Jatene (PSDB). The proposal was to create a corridor between Marituba, a neighboring municipality of Belém, and Avenida João Paulo II in the capital, easing the flow of traffic that congests Almirante Barroso and Mário Covas Avenues and relieving congestion on BR-316, the main road in and out of Belém.”
No COP in 2012!
Road didn’t get built in 2012.. did it…
They waited until now, with COP30 arriving, to destroy the rainforest.
The residents live on the opposite side of the new road from the main part of Belem, and their access is going to be compromised
Pay some attention to reality for a change.
And another interesting article (need to use translate)
Liberdade Highway: A road against the planet – By Angelo Madson Tupinambá | Forum Magazine
But its for COP30.. so “environmentalist” just don’t care !!
And still no guerillas? Could at least make an exit (stage left, pursued by a jaguar) road for real estate speculation.
Goodness knows who guessed the 100,000 trees,
Can I suggest that you get your trusty Quadrat out?
Maybe the COP organizers could do a “body count” of the trees that needed to be sacrificed?
To 0.000 grams per trunk?
Right ! When I first heard of this , I pulled up Google Earth for a look . The highway seems to make sense independently of the COP shindig .
Nope-pristine means untouched, and the tribes need to be left alone.
Originally planned in 2012, it was stopped because of environmental concerns.
It took COP30 to overcome those environmental concerns.
Didn’t want all these self-important activist scammers getting inconvenienced.
Here in the PNW we can have upwards of 600 trees per acre in young, planted forest.
Via Pudoris (Street/Way of Shame) sounds about right.
Justin Rowlatt joins the Brazilian environment agency in a raid on an illegal sawmill in the north-east of the country, where loggers and ranchers have converged on Amazonian forest reserves – BBC
Saving the Awa Tribe with Justin Rowlatt – BBC
Saving the Brazilian Amazon: Justin Rowlatt investigates how the Brazilian authorities have managed to significantly reduce rates of deforestation in the Amazonian rainforest. – BBC
Being the man he is, Justin I’m sure will have no qualms about riding along with the large congregation to Belém. And then when the circus has moved on? Who knows?
Greta should definitely attend, so she can give them a good scolding. How dare they.
Isn’t she in intensive care?
Greta Thunberg: I was tortured, beaten and starved by Israel
Swedish activist accuses Israeli guards of having ‘no empathy or humanity’ during her time in prison – The Telegraph
I hadn’t heard. And if true, then that is not a good look for Israel, even if what she did was wrong.
I was joking. They detained her and then deported her. There isn’t even a bruise that she can show. Nobody starves in a couple of days.
We won’t ever know what actually happened, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some sort of abuse occurred. Lack of visible signs doesn’t mean much.
If only those who downvoted you knew about the Levon affair,USS Liberty or the Greater Israel plan or the Samson option.
“The Greater Israel plan” Is the Zionist / Israeli Nationalist territorial claim that all lands between the river Nile to the Euphrates must be occupied by Israel.
Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich & the hard right all follow this aim.
“The Samson option.” (sometimes referred to as “The Fist of God.”)
Israel has about 400 nuclear warheads & is prepared to use them in retaliation for an invasion or any major damage to Israel by another country.
“We won’t ever know what actually happened,”
And frankly.. who gives a damn what minor deprivations the little Swedish trollette had to suffer.
450 to 500 detainees to be processed. The prison did not have 500 empty cells and 500 spare beds.
They had to drink tap water. Oh the humanity. Anyone who knows anything about plumbing knows the toilet does not feed the sink.
The list goes on and on and on. So mucy about it they way it has been presented is pure lies.
But her biggest gripe was that she had to ask 3 times for her beating, torture & starvation.
She was held only a day, whereas the hostages were hell underground for two years
THose that survived.
And so, even now the civil war by proxy goes on. It’s sad that neocons and watermelons cannot both lose it.
Funny that she did not make claims of torture or abuse at her deportation hearing, but only when press was around and after announcing the “torture” said she would not talk about it, did not was “Greta Torture” headlines and such, then talked about it multiple times.
Rashes due to (or possibly due to depending on the publication) bedbugs. No bite marks or rashes on her face, neck, or arms.
Wehn for hours without water or food translates to starvation and dehydraton.
Was beaten and kicked and lacks visible bruises. No signs of limping.
Had sh been trotured, standard protocol would have been a medical and psychological examination as soon as the deportation plane landed. No medical reports.
The Babylon Bee got it right. Greta is despondent as she has a flotilla and no where to go.
Sailboats don’t go there, but private planes do
In elementary school we learned how our US state (Ohio) was cleared of trees and planted with food-crops. From Copilot AI …
Before farming became a major industry in Ohio, was the state covered mostly by trees? and if so, what happened to them?
…
Yes—before Ohio became an agricultural powerhouse, it was overwhelmingly forested. In fact, when European settlers arrived in the late 1700s and early 1800s, more than 95% of Ohio was covered in dense hardwood forests. These included oak, hickory, beech, maple, and chestnut, forming part of the vast Eastern Deciduous Forest biome.
…
By the mid-1800s, Ohio had become a major agricultural state, producing corn, wheat, and livestock.
Mechanization (like steel plows and reapers) accelerated deforestation by making large-scale farming more feasible
…
And most would agree that we are better off. I’m pretty sure that corn is very good at removing CO2 from the atmosphere. Will the cycle be unbroken?
I would agree that corn seems to be good at removing CO2 from the air, but I would also assume that much of returns quickly to the air as the stalks and ultimately the food or ethanol stocks are consumed.
By and by Lord, by and by.
CoPilot is wrong. Ohio has been inhabited for 12,000 years. The Neolithic residents farmed corn, squash, and beans in Ohio for at least 5,000 years. Even before that they burned the landscape regularly, promoting grasses. Bison roamed Ohio. Only after the native populations were decimated by Old World diseases did trees invade.
AI is ignorant. Do not trust it. The modelers are biased. The info sources used are wrong. AI is dumber than sack of hammers.
Oh god my companies internal AI is useless. We are suppose to use it to answer questions and troubleshoot equipment but it’s trying to scrape data from our internal database which is an absolute mess. Truly a waste of time to ask our AI anything more than a very basic question and even then it’s likely wrong. I can’t see it getting any better either as we’ve been promised, a bunch of needed information literally doesn’t exist in the database.
If you have to program it, it is not AI. Actual AI will program itself and humans will no longer be needed.
ANYWHERE.
You are bringing it upon yourself, stop furthering human obsolescence.
rovingbroker,
East of Ohio, along the west-facing slopes of the Allegheny River (north of Pittsburgh), young men built small dams on the streams, cut trees and moved the logs to behind the small dams. In the spring during snow melt, the dams would be breached and the logs – with the young escorts, headed toward Pittsburgh on the rushing water. There, logs were milled, flatboats were built, and westward-ho the would be settlers went on the Ohio River. After getting across the Mississippi River, the boats were transitioned to wagons, and onward to the west. {So claimed my great-great grandfather; and history}
Another unusual (to me) use of trees were the oaks whose bark was used for tanning hides. In PA, all this has been called “The Big Cut”.
If you are from Ohio, did you learn of Cincinnati being known as Porkopolis and Queen City of the West?
“Queen City of the West”
Is that because it’s a bit of a Drag ??
OUCH!!! Puns, I swear, are the lowest, bar none, form of humor. Still funny tho.
Punny you should say that !! (:-))
Well, at least one good thing will come from COP30; as with the other 29 climate gabfests before it, many thousands of tons of plant-loving and life-giving CO2 will be emitted in the process. So let’s give them a hearty round of applause for that.
The hypocrisy, it burns.
Do these greentards really not know that the trees removed were used for lumber and other wood products? Are they truly that stupid? Yes, yes they are.
On that argument, let’s just clear cut the entire Amazon rainforest because, you know, the trees from such can be used for “lumber and other wood products”.
How do you show the world you are an idiot? You just did.
“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.”
— reported by Associated Press (AP) journalist Peter Arnett in 1968 as a quote from an unnamed US Army major in reference to the bombing of Bến Tre during the Vietnam War.
It looks like the irony in that quote was lost on the BBC.
Satellite view on Google Earth Pro near the mid-point of the 8 mile clearing on Aug. 11th:
-1.433231, -48.398691
So, not in the middle of the pristine rain forest, actually in the peripheries of a major city. This just gets more gooder and more gooder. 😉
Don’t forget that when a tree is burnt or falls and rots, its CO2 is released to atmosphere. Forests are CO2 neutral.
I have not forgotten the FACT that a freshly-dead or burnt tree contains virtually no carbon dioxide (CO2), but instead a predominant amount of carbohydrates (40-45% by mass of cellulose plus 20–30% as hemicellulose). The remaining mass is water, starch and simple sugars (monosaccharides). All of this matter is distributed, in various ratios, among the tree’s root system, its trunk and branches, and its leaves.
Excluding CO2 being released while a fire actively burns a tree, a tree only “releases” CO2 as the result of the breakdown of the tree’s biomass, a process known as decomposition, resulting mostly from fungi and bacteria.
Irony is an alien concept to these zealots.
“In 2022 Rowlatt … highlighted the potential “collapse of the Amazon rainforest” as one of the major irreversible changes tiggered by global warming…” but which, thankfully, he can fix with ample doses of pooh.
These actions reveal yet again what a collection of phonies these climate alarmists are. For starters, if they were really so concerned about the supposed climate change that endangers the planet and all its inhabitants, they would be boycotting the COP conferences or else figuring out how to attend without travelling by plane and increasing their carbon emissions. Nor would they be consuming any meat products while they’re there. As well, they would have demanded well in advance that no natural objects like trees be disturbed to ease their access to the meeting sites, or better still, they would have recommended that a permanent location be established for these gabfests. Best of all, they should have been coming clean and admitting that since three decades of COP conferences have achieved next to nothing that has affected the climate or reduced global emissions, they should be advising the organizers to throw in the towel and permanently cancel the COPs after admitting they’ve proven useless over the long haul. But that would mean for many of the delegates that they’d have to give up their often taxpayer-funded free rides, so such action would be out of the question. Besides they wouldn’t want to deprive any of the local prostitutes of part of their livelihoods.
“Besides, they wouldn’t want to deprive any of the local prostitutes of part of their livelihoods.”
I previous COPs are anything to go by, they’ll be shipping 100s of prostitutes in from around the globe.
Which in some places is called human trafficing.
It would be best if they hold this and all future meetings on the Internet. The technology to do this has been available for decades.