“High Priests of Consensus Panic: The NYT’s Meltdown Over Scientific Skepticism”

Charles Rotter

The New York Times is at it again—clutching pearls and reaching for the fainting couch as the Trump administration dares to let a little oxygen into the musty, tightly sealed room of government climate “consensus.” If the tone of their latest lament, “Trump Hires Scientists Who Doubt the Consensus on Climate Change,” is any indication, you’d think the barbarians had just sacked Rome with nothing but peer-reviewed papers and calculators.

Right out of the gate, the Times wrings its hands over the shocking spectacle of scientists—yes, actual scientists—who “reject the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change” being allowed anywhere near the Energy Department. If you detect a note of moral panic, you’re not wrong. “The three scientists joined the administration after it dismissed hundreds of experts who were assessing how global warming is affecting the country,” they warn, as though these dismissed “experts” were the last line of defense against an onrushing climate apocalypse.

But let’s talk about these dangerous contrarians—and, for a moment, let’s try something radical: list their actual credentials.

First up: Steven E. Koonin. The Times notes he’s a physicist and author but doesn’t dwell on the fact that he was Under Secretary for Science at the U.S. Department of Energy during the Obama administration. Yes, that Obama administration. Koonin is also a former professor at Caltech, a former chief scientist at BP (one of the world’s largest energy companies), and a fellow at the Hoover Institution. His 2021 book, Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t and Why It Matters, challenged the prevailing doomsday narrative by calmly pointing out that, yes, climate science remains rife with uncertainty and debate—a statement so inflammatory to consensus enforcers that it might as well have been a call to heresy. Koonin’s influence is such that even Energy Secretary Chris Wright, before his current post, reached out to Koonin to say, “‘This is great,’” and later, “Chris and I have talked quite a bit over the last couple years, and I think he is well aligned with what I wrote in the book”.

Next: John Christy. The Times breathlessly warns that he “doubts that human activity has caused global warming” and is “a vocal critic of climate models,” as if criticizing the most speculative outputs of computer simulations were akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater. But Christy is a Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science and Director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and Alabama’s State Climatologist. He’s published extensively on atmospheric measurement, and—crucially—he is one of the principal researchers behind the satellite temperature record, a global data set widely cited by both sides of the debate. He’s not a crank; he’s the scientist whose data are routinely invoked even by those who disagree with his conclusions. When asked about his Energy Department role, Christy replied he was “an unpaid person who’s available to them if they need it”.

And then there’s Roy Spencer. The article describes him as a meteorologist “who believes that clouds have had a greater influence on warming than humans have,” making it sound as if he’s howling at the moon from his weather station. In reality, Spencer is a former NASA scientist and, like Christy, a principal investigator for the U.S. Science Team on the Advanced Microwave Sounding Unit (AMSU) satellite temperature monitoring program. He spent years as a senior scientist for climate studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, with a long track record of peer-reviewed publications in atmospheric physics. Not content to stop there, the Times quickly labels him a “policy adviser at the Heartland Institute, a conservative group that rejects mainstream climate science,” and “a visiting fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a right-wing group responsible for creating Project 2025, a conservative blueprint for the new administration”. All the correct code words are deployed—“conservative,” “right-wing”—to ensure readers know these are not the sort of people you should trust with a Bunsen burner, let alone the levers of climate policy.

But don’t take my word for it—let’s watch the NYT clutch those pearls:

“A vast majority of scientists around the world agree that human activities—primarily the burning of fossil fuels such as oil, gas and coal—are dangerously heating the Earth. That has increased the frequency and intensity of heat waves, droughts and colossal bursts of rain like the storm that caused the deadly flooding now devastating central Texas.”

As always, the Times presents every weather event as a sign of planetary judgment. Doubt the models? You’re a heretic. Question the regulatory scaffolding erected by unelected technocrats? Prepare for excommunication.

But what about those “hundreds of experts” who were dismissed? The implication is clear: technocratic rule must never be questioned. If you replace the “right” experts with the “wrong” ones, civilization itself is imperiled. The bureaucratic caste system is alive and well at the NYT, and woe to any outsider who doesn’t chant the right slogans.

And of course, no alarmist screed would be complete without the ritual invocation of Michael Mann and Andrew Dessler. Mann—famous for his hockey stick graph and near-ubiquitous presence in any article lamenting insufficient climate alarm—pronounces with customary gravitas:

“What this says is that the administration has no respect for the actual science, which overwhelmingly points in the direction of a growing crisis as we continue to warm the planet through fossil-fuel burning, the consequences of which we’ve seen play out in recent weeks in the form of deadly heat domes and floods here in the U.S.”

Every weather event is, once again, both evidence and sermon. Dessler chimes in, warning darkly that it “would be troubling if these three scientists were involved in repealing the 2009 endangerment finding,” which gave bureaucrats sweeping power to regulate just about every engine, factory, and appliance in the country. “Troubling,” in this context, means “potentially allowing actual debate and reconsideration of a policy linchpin upon which billions in regulatory costs rest.”

To reinforce the narrative, the article even notes that Spencer “has accused federal climate researchers of being biased because they receive taxpayer money.” The implication is that bias can only possibly exist on one side of the debate, never among those whose livelihoods depend on perpetual climate crisis. Spencer’s actual words, in his book The Great Global Warming Blunder: “The popular opinion that government-funded research is unbiased must be considered quite naïve”. Apparently, calling for a little scientific humility is a bridge too far.

No critique is leveled at the climate establishment for its own potential conflicts of interest, for its tendency to brand every policy as an existential necessity, or for the repeated failures of its models to accurately predict climate sensitivity, extreme weather, or even the behavior of clouds—one of the core uncertainties highlighted by the very scientists now being vilified.

The real story here is not the hiring of three scientists who are willing to question received wisdom. The real story is the media’s all-consuming need to delegitimize dissent, their relentless efforts to police the boundaries of acceptable thought, and the spectacle of credentialed “experts” howling in protest whenever their authority is challenged. That is the consensus the New York Times truly cares about: consensus as power, not as science.

None of these men is an outsider to science. None is a failed academic, a YouTube crank, or a “denialist” with an axe to grind. Each has spent decades at the pinnacle of his field, shaping the very scientific instruments and records on which the current debate supposedly rests. This, perhaps, is what most unsettles the New York Times and its preferred “consensus” enforcers. For all the talk of “overwhelming agreement,” they must now contend with the uncomfortable reality that some of the most qualified experts on the planet—not politicians, not lobbyists, but the very people who built and interpreted the satellites and models—don’t share their narrative or their urgency.

So let the caterwauling continue. If this is what a crisis of “climate consensus” looks like, perhaps we should welcome a little more of it. The public deserves an open debate, not another sermon from the high priests of the apocalypse. If even these men see room for doubt, perhaps the real question isn’t why they’re being hired, but why anyone is still pretending there’s nothing left to debate.

H/T David D, Dr. Roy Spencer, Chris Martz

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E. Schaffer
July 8, 2025 6:13 pm

People still don’t get it. THERE IS NO POINT IN SKEPTICISM! Either you understand, or you don’t. And even 6 year old child should be able to understand this:

The GHE after all is just a theoretic abstraction, taking into the account the warming by clouds and WV, but not their cooling. In fact their cooling effect is larger than their warming. And you can do this in a theoretic abstraction, which is useful in sorting out factors of causation.

For example, if your team lost a game 2:3, you could say “if we had a better defense, we would have won”. Sure, because scoring two goals is good enough for winning, unless you receive more than one goal. However, you can not say “we have won because we scored two goals”.

Just like this the GHE is a pure one-sided abstraction, where you can say “under these assumptions the stuff adding optical thickness to the atmosphere warms the planet by 33K”, ignoring that the same stuff is also massively cooling the Earth. The net effect is only about 8K btw. But you must not declare it to be real, or even worse “the truth” that people are supposed to believe in(!). And certainly you must not furthermore build a whole “science” based on this nonsense.

Reply to  E. Schaffer
July 8, 2025 7:28 pm

“taking into the account the warming by clouds and WV, but not their cooling.
In fact their cooling effect is larger than their warming. And you can do this
in a theoretic abstraction, which is useful in sorting out factors of causation.”
_____________________________________________________________

BINGO! The warming effect of clouds as a result of keeping the heat in occurs after the clouds have already prevented the accumulation of heat by reflection back out to space.

If a window if left open, the furnace will have a more difficult time warming the house.

Yes a six year old can figure this out.

Drafty old houses aren’t very warm in the winter.

Same is true for old blankets that have worn thin.

Industrial heat treating ovens require vast amounts of energy to overcome the leaks to the environment.

The basic problem in trying to turn the corner in energy from fusion is trying to get more energy
out of fusion than the energy it takes to get the reactor up to the required temperature for the reaction to occur.

Retaining / containing heat is a universal problem. (Except in climate models)

The IPCC tells us:

     For a future warmer climate … Globally averaged mean water
     vapour, evaporation and precipitation are projected to increase.

                                        IPCC AR4 Chapter ten page 750 pdf 4

That means more clouds.

The more clouds, the more heat that is reflected out to space and less heat for the heat retention property of clouds to work with.

Yeah, a six year old could come up with that reasoning.

July 8, 2025 6:14 pm

“What this says is that the administration has no respect for the actual science, which overwhelmingly points in the direction of a growing crisis as we continue to warm the planet through fossil-fuel burning, the consequences of which we’ve seen play out in recent weeks in the form of deadly heat domes and floods here in the U.S.”

_____________________________________________________________________________

Once again,

     1. More rain is not a problem.
     2. Warmer weather is not a problem.
     3. More arable land is not a problem.
     4. Longer growing seasons is not a problem.
     5. CO2 greening of the earth is not a problem.
     6. There isn’t any Climate Crisis.

Reply to  Steve Case
July 8, 2025 6:50 pm

Steve:
Yes!
And according to the models using worst-case scenario RCP8.5 the economic effects by 2100 suggest the USA average income will be twice as large as present while developing countries will be at USA current levels [~ $60,000/yr].
Do you think the developing countries would say “Bring it on!” to that? Duh!
Some climate “crisis”! Lol

IMO the Trump administration narrowly averted a climate POLICY crisis fueled by Biden’s
poorly named Inflation Reduction Act, EPA regulations and a “whole of government on climate
change” emphasis. We were in far more danger from Biden’s policies than the weather.
Hopefully the rest of the world will follow suit.

Reply to  B Zipperer
July 9, 2025 6:00 am

“We were in far more danger from Biden’s policies than the weather.”

Definitely.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  B Zipperer
July 9, 2025 7:36 am

Biden’s policies were a continuation and augmentation of Obama’s which were a continuation and augmentation of Clinton/Gore.

Reply to  Steve Case
July 9, 2025 9:11 am

Without using coal, oil and gas, we would have:
Nothing made of plastic
No electricity 
No running water 
No central heating or air conditioning 
No transportation aside from walking or horseback
Inadequate food
No communications aside from shouting or smoke signals
No WINDMILLS, SOLAR PANELS, EVs and BATTERIES
.
Without coal, oil, gas, we would be:
Walking with moccasins
Using dugout canoes
Riding with no saddles on horseback
Living in tepees and stone-back log cabins
All just like the US natives, who did not know how to use fossil fuels
.
We have come a long way, baby, and fossil fuels made it happen.
Drill, baby, drill, to MAGA!

Reply to  wilpost
July 9, 2025 10:31 am

Not entirely true. We British built an empire out of sailing ships and an excellent postal service, whose carriages formed a vital public transport system. And if you haven’t seen a Georgian manor house, well, you probably should. It’s defnintely a lot grander than a stone-back log cabin.

Losing coal, oil and gas will take us back to the early 1800’s, it’s true, but not quite all the way back to the dark ages.

Reply to  PariahDog
July 9, 2025 1:27 pm

In 1800, about 95% of folks did not live in Georgian Manor Houses, but lived their short, brutish lives in hovels made of wood, sod, thatched roofs and stones. The hovels were on the various landed estates owned by “nobles”.

Reply to  PariahDog
July 9, 2025 1:42 pm

So only back to the Dim Ages? 😎

The big difference is that we now have better, more economical ways to do things.
The HMS Dreadnought used steam turbines (along with the “All Big Gun” concept) to render all other battleships obsolete the day she was launched. She was faster and that wasn’t due to more sails or a better arrangement of the sails.

What’s happening today is some are advocating we (meaning only the West) voluntarily technologically devolve back a century or two. All for “The Cause”.

Curious George
July 8, 2025 6:16 pm

Consensus is a tool of politics, not of science. A “scientific consensus” is an oxymoron.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Curious George
July 8, 2025 9:18 pm

Consensus and science are two words that shouldn’t be found in the same county.

1saveenergy
Reply to  Curious George
July 8, 2025 10:58 pm

“A “scientific consensus” is an oxymoron.”

And an oxymoron is ... a brain starved of oxygen

Reply to  Curious George
July 9, 2025 6:03 am

People promoting consensus science don’t understand what science is.

Consensus science is politics, not science.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 9, 2025 7:39 am

Correct.

Consensus is agreement of opinions.

A skeptic is not a doubter or a (ugh) “denier.”

A skeptic is one who refuses to accept conclusions based on the logic fallacy called Appeal to Authority and rather asks questions, debates, evaluates the data and methods, etc., good scientific processes, before reaching a conclusion and then goes the necessary step of trying to disprove his conclusion by the same scientific processes.

bobclose
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 14, 2025 11:48 pm

You only have to look at who set up the UN IPCC to know this process isn’t about real science, it’s politics corrupted by the alarmist environmental movement all the way back to “Silent Spring”, Erlich and the Club of Rome doomsday cult.
These people have an agenda to slow economic and population growth by any means until we have achieved their Malthusian recommended natural balance between society’s impact on their precious planet, whereby nature is valued more important than humanity and our future.
They believe in a controlled future run by a elite socialist global government, that will regulate us to prevent us from destroying ourselves and the environment. Whereas I believe in humanity’s current scientific and technological progress will achieve population stabilization and sufficient growing GDP and personal wealth to allow nations to cooperate to solve real local and global environmental hazards not manufactured issues like `climate change’ and the so-called energy transition we are unfortunately grappling with now.

Reply to  Curious George
July 9, 2025 11:21 am

I think Prof. Paul Reiter was the first to put an exclamation point on that truism two decades ago to the chagrin to this day of those whose view is nothing more than a belief.

The consensus fallacy is a logical fallacy that asserts a statement is true because it’s accepted by a group. Science is a process (scientific method) in which evidence is the touchstone – often a “minor” problem for consensus believers. In many cases it is even worse as a legitimate poll was never taken so concensus was not even established and often reflects the view of a relatively small group (e.g., Board of a professional society).

Bob
July 8, 2025 6:25 pm

How is the Times still in business?

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Bob
July 8, 2025 9:19 pm

They publish in a city that is about to elect a jihadi communist as a mayor.

Mr.
Reply to  Bob
July 9, 2025 5:54 am

They pander to the political leanings of their customers.

The NYT publishes the desired pap, but also consider who scribes the pap.

in this case, it’s one Maxine Joselow
https://www.nytimes.com/by/maxine-joselow

In her background statement regarding her journalistic ethics, she declares this –

“I do not participate in politics”

then proceeds to write about nothing other than politics, in her every piece for the NYT (and before that, WAPO and Politico).

Methinks that Maxine should declare “gaslighting” as her main journalistic endeavor.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Mr.
July 9, 2025 7:41 am

Don’t you know that those pursuing advocacy journalism are not participating in politics?
/sarc

Reply to  Mr.
July 9, 2025 8:39 pm

“Give the customers what they want”. Isn’t that a tenet capitalism?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Bob
July 9, 2025 7:40 am

Based on falling readership and subscriptions, it might be that the end is in sight.

Tom Halla
July 8, 2025 6:28 pm

Climastrology is a secular religion, a faith held by people who are unaware of just how dodgy the “science” behind it is.

John Hultquist
July 8, 2025 6:45 pm

Why should we need “hundreds of experts” to assess how warming is affecting the country? The Times does it for no cost to tax paying citizens. 🤠

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  John Hultquist
July 9, 2025 7:42 am

Valid point.
We can avoid trillions of tax payer dollars wasted and just read the Times.

July 8, 2025 6:56 pm

Even if these three – Koonin, Christy, Spencer – end up with minimal direct roles as “hires” of the DOE – it is wonderful to see the NY Times overheat and blow a gasket.

Reply to  David Dibbell
July 8, 2025 8:44 pm

The poster above has shown that mass air movement of energy is magnitudes more than any possible theoretical energy transfer by atmospheric CO2

CO2 warming is basically a line indistinguishable from the x-axis.

The equivalent of a flea on an elephant’s rear end.

Reply to  bnice2000
July 9, 2025 4:24 am

Thanks for mentioning that finding. I hope that our Department of Energy realizes the power of the concept of energy conversion, that the modelers know perfectly well, to refute the attribution of “warming” to emissions of CO2.

For other readers here for whom this might be new, please consider the video linked below. Pause the video to read the full text of the description “readme.”
[internal energy + potential energy] -> [kinetic energy] (negative values)
[kinetic energy] -> [internal energy + potential energy] (positive values)
This is what is happening within the general circulation to completely overwhelm the minor static radiative effect of incremental concentrations of CO2, CH4, N2O.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDurP-4gVrY

“Watch on Youtube” to see the “readme” explanation

July 8, 2025 6:57 pm

This (NYTimes) report seems to be premature, at best. It could be these (3) are consultants to the project mentioned below.

Here is Koonin, back in December (at wsj.com), urging that the (re)elected president

“… should highlight these failings and the absent evidence of a “climate emergency” as part of an explanation for the country’s exit from the [Paris] agreement. Providing this rationale would create a moment for European countries to admit that the climate emperor has no clothes, giving them license to confront the awkward and obvious truths they’ve been avoiding for years.

Providing affordable and reliable energy, no matter the source, would do far more good for humanity than discouraging fossil fuels based on fear of some vague climate catastrophe.

It will take a year for a withdrawal from the Paris Agreement … use that time to highlight the agreement’s failures … Doing so would show how futile and destructive the world’s current efforts to reduce emissions really are, and [to] chart a healthier path for the planet.

Mr. Koonin is a senior fellow at Stanford’s Hoover Institution and author of “Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters.”

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Whetten Robert L
July 9, 2025 7:45 am

Funny thing is the Paris Accord is identified as an international treaty, a treaty that was NEVER ratified by Congress.

From the Constitutional point of view, that means any provision in the Paris Accord, especially the 1 year hiatus when withdrawing had no legal foundation and can be ignored.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
July 9, 2025 1:53 pm

Absolutely!
Obama originally agreed, not The United States.

Rud Istvan
July 8, 2025 7:06 pm

If hiring three real scientists causes the NYT and Mann to clutch their climate consensus pearls, then you know skeptics are slowly winning.

I like the odds: three actual scientists versus the supposed overwhelming climate science consensus. Especially since the climate consensus has been wrong so many times already.

Let’s remember a few other crumbled ‘science consensus’:

  1. Obvious that the Sun goes around the Earth—it comes up in the morning and sets in the evening. Until Galileo’s new telescope explained the reality that Earth orbits the Sun once a year (explaining seasons), and spins on its axis once per day (explaining sunrise and sunset).
  2. Obvious that combustion is the result of releasing phlogiston. Until Lavoisier’s careful experiments explained oxygen combustion (and rust, and much more).
  3. Obvious that light waves propagated thru a luminiferous aether. Until the Michelson/Morely interference experiment proved there wasn’t one.
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 8, 2025 7:49 pm

Back in the day we didn’t call it “consensus”, we called it the “accepted” or “dominant” paradigm (following Kuhn). The Climate Catastrophe (TM) paradigm has been dominant due to political pimping rather than careful science, but no matter, it has dominated.

No more. The paradigm has shifted. The formerly dominant panic mode Hotpocalypse Thermaggendon End of Life As We Know It paradigm has cooled off considerably. Adherents remain, but they’re increasingly seen as kooks and rent seeking carpetbaggers. The new paradigm is much more nuanced and calmer. No climate catastrophe is foreseen by the new “revolutionary” science. Increasing warmth, should it occur, is predicted to be largely beneficial based on paleoclimatology (it’s been much warmer than today for most of geologic history, and nothing terminal happened).

Paradigm shifts can be messy. Especially, feeling get hurt because humans are emotional creatures. The NYT is having (another) tantrum like a typical 3-year-old. They’ll get over it. They may need a nap first, and a sucker, but after awhile they’ll have forgotten all about the climate and be on to their next toy.

Reply to  OR For
July 9, 2025 12:34 am

Its basically not science, its a religion. Of course the theories about how CO2 emissions affect the climate are scientific hypotheses. But the climate movement, as expressed by the NYT, is a secular religion.

Like other Western and Middle Eastern religions we first have false assertions. We then have demands for action which are not justified by the assertions even were they true. And finally we have an emphasis on belief above all else, which leads to demands to suppress dissent.. In earlier days we had the Inquisitions in Europe. We have grown up a bit since then, and now only talk about ‘deniers’. AKA heretics or unbelievers.

To the NYT, Guardian and BBC the important thing is not global action to lower emissions, its that people should believe, and this is why they get so dismayed either when they don’t or when contrary views are published.

The reason why is that religions of this kind, with enforcement of belief and silencing of dissent come from a world view. In this case a thoroughgoing hostility to Western society and its economic underpinnings.

Its also the reason why programs of action are always demanded which can have no effect on the supposed problem. As with the crazed plans for Net Zero which the UK is currently embarked on, or as proposed in the US Inflation Reduction Act. Neither of which would lower global emissions or have any effect on climate or weather anywhere.

A wonderful example of this is, in the UK, Ed Miliband’s proposal for lots of wind turbines in backyards across the country. Like the Great Leap Forward program of a blast furnace in every back yard, this is hopeless – it won’t generate any meaningful amount of usable electricity. So what is it doing? Its testifying to belief. Its like building lots of churches. EVs are similar. They will not lower emissions or have any effect on the climate or weather.

Its also a religion in that it continually points to irrelevant developments in justification of the belief. Every weather event, every hot summer or thunderstorm or cold winter is claimed to support the belief. Its similar to the Middle Ages, where victory in battle was often cited as proof that God was on your side. Until he wasn’t.

What to do? There isn’t much to be done except wait. Guardian BBC NYT etc are going to keep on keeping on, as will the academic climate establishment. The failure of green energy is probably going to be the decisive factor. Just as it has not been critical skepticism about the origins of a religion which leads to its decline. Its when people can no longer be coerced into accepting the way of life that it demands. This is coming towards the climate movement with the failure of alternative energy. But its going to take a while and be very expensive and cause much misery and hardship before we get there.

Reply to  michel
July 9, 2025 6:13 am

Trump’s anti-windmill attitude is going to go a long way towards putting renewables in the rearview mirror.

Trump had a lot of bad things to say about windmills during his Cabinet meeting yesterday (Story Tip). Trump did say solar is probably useful in certain situations, but he expressed dislike of vast solar farms, too.

I think a lot of future windmill contracts are being cancelled.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 9, 2025 6:40 am

“I think a lot of future windmill contracts are being cancelled.”
Let’s hope so! Especially offshore. And of the offshore proposals, especially the absurd floating platform concept. And for onshore too, because it will never be a good thing for the system as a whole to proliferate intermittent sources.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  David Dibbell
July 9, 2025 8:34 am

Denmark invited tenders for its largest offshore wind farm towards the end of last year. Number of bidders? – NIL

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  OR For
July 9, 2025 7:47 am

Paradigm (aka 20 cents) can be messy, especially when those affected lose their tax payer funded grants and have to look for real work.

I understand the construction industry need workers.

eck
Reply to  OR For
July 9, 2025 8:04 pm

“political pimping”! I love that!

July 8, 2025 7:55 pm

John Christy and Roy Spencer are 2 of the most honest climate scientists and great critical thinkers. There is no one better to fill these scientific positions.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Jim Steele
July 9, 2025 7:51 am

Hopefully there are more upcoming. They will be needed in time.

Reply to  Jim Steele
July 9, 2025 9:09 am

Here is an article by Spencer about UHI

The climate is not any different, even though, atmosphere CO2 increased from 280 ppm in 1850 to 420 ppm in 2025, 50% in 175 years. During that time, world surface temps increased by at most 1.5 C +/- 0.25 C, of which: 
.
1) Urban heat islands account for about 65% (0.65 x 1.5 = 0.975 C), such as about 700 miles from north of Portland, Maine, to south of Norfolk, Virginia, forested in 1850, now covered with heat-absorbing human detritus, plus the waste heat of fuel burning. Japan, China, India, Europe, etc., have similar heat islands
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/05/16/live-at-1-p-m-eastern-shock-climate-report-urban-heat-islands-responsible-for-65-of-global-warming/
2) CO2 accounts for less than 0.5 C, with the rest from
3) Long-term, inter-acting cycles, such as coming out of the Little Ice Age, 
4) Earth surface volcanic activity, and other changes, such as from increased agriculture, deforestation, especially in the Tropics, etc.
.
BTW, the 1850 surface temp measurements were only in a few locations and mostly inaccurate, +/- 0.5 C. 
The 1979-to-present temp measurements (46 years) cover most of the earth surface and are more accurate, +/- 0.25 C, due to NASA satellites.
Any graphs should show accuracy bands.
The wiggles in below image are due to plants rotting late in the year, emitting CO2, plants growing early in the year, consuming CO2, mostly in the Northern Hemisphere. 
https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/about.html

observa
July 8, 2025 8:21 pm

How global warming equals more volcanoes equals more dooming-
The Ice Is Melting—And It’s Setting Off Volcanoes Across the Planet
There is no escaping the dooming.

1saveenergy
Reply to  observa
July 8, 2025 11:03 pm

Doom with a view !! (:-))

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  observa
July 9, 2025 7:51 am

Models are data and proof, dontchaknow?
/sarc

July 8, 2025 8:55 pm

LOL, open debate sure scares those who wants to manipulate the average joe who wants to be told the truth and that those who promotes their anti-first amendments propaganda are mostly from those people in government and media the very groups who know what the First Amendment is about.

It is all about controlling people for political and economic power.

Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 9, 2025 6:19 am

“It is all about controlling people for political and economic power.”

Exactly right.

The New York Times is nothing more than a Propaganda Rag for the Political Left. It always has been. They have no redeeming qualities. Listen to them and lose your country.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 9, 2025 7:53 am

Some of these same people were in favor of and actual proponents of suppressing dissenting views as disinformation to address domestic terrorism.

July 8, 2025 9:00 pm

Koonin, Christy and Spencer are all solid picks if one’s only intent is to demonstrate that consensus projections of the impacts of ‘radiative forcing’ from CO2 are vastly overstated. Unfortunately, by assuming that radiative transfer models aptly describe how thermal radiation absorbed by IR-active gases near the Earth’s surface is conveyed to space, they are following the rules and playing on the home turf of the alarmists.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 9, 2025 4:36 am

This is a good point. Even as these three deserve great respect, there needs to be more of a clean break from the core attribution of ANY of the reported warming to the rising concentrations of CO2, CH4, N2O, for reasons that are often mentioned here at WUWT and elsewhere.

Reply to  David Dibbell
July 9, 2025 6:54 am

Definitely good points. Dr. Spencer, for example, still falls for the mathematical baloney called “irradiance”, and cannot describe the difference between energy, work, and power at even a high school physics level. The fictional “Radiant Greenhouse Effect” depends on not knowing any of that.

Reply to  stevekj
July 9, 2025 1:45 pm

I doubt if I could find it now, but I recall Dr Roy admonishing one critic of applying radiant transfer models to the troposphere, that if they wanted to challenge their application, they would not only need to front an alternative model, but also one that exhibited the Earth’s tropospheric lapse rate.

Having thought about that recently, that’s setting the bar pretty low for the models given that any system of plates (condensed matter) between a heat source and a heat sink in a vacuum (no pesky GHGs or other gases at all for that matter) will exhibit a lapse rate.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 10, 2025 5:44 am

That is true, with the rate dependent on the thermal conductivity of the matter and the temperature differential from one end to the other. Is that all our atmosphere is doing, though? I think there is another effect at play, too, which I was assuming was the dominant effect in gases in a gravitational field: the gravitational thermal gradient. This effect is in the same direction as the natural thermal gradient from the warm surface to cold outer space, so it’s not necessarily obvious which one has the greater influence. But either way, we can confidently assert that energy transfer via EM fields is not required whenever air molecule collisions occur frequently 🙂

Reply to  David Dibbell
July 9, 2025 1:22 pm

Thanks, David. My knowledge of physics is pretty basic, but I’m not devoid of logic. Given that the alarmists have scoured the Earth in vain for any physical evidence that CO2 is the ‘control knob’ of climate, the only remaining logical conclusions are that a) the evidence is ‘out there’ waiting to be discovered, or, b) there is a fundamental error in the ‘consensus’ application of Schwarzschild’s equation to model the transfer of radiant energy in the lower troposphere.

There are an increasing number of people who are noticing that the radiative behavior of GHGs is significantly changed by collisions with non-IR active gases like O2 and N2 that comprise the vast bulk of our atmospheric. This results in the creation of sensible heat within meters of the surface, that upon convecting aloft, powers the radiant excitation of GHGs at altitudes where they can then spontaneously emit photons and radiate this energy to space.

To paraphrase Tom Shula from a recent thread, once one understands how this mechanism better explains our convective troposphere, it is nearly impossible to keep up the handwaving that supports radiant transfer modeling in the lower troposphere.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/06/30/towards-a-new-climate-paradigm/#comment-4089887

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 9, 2025 7:54 am

Climate model:

CO2 is the input. IR is the transfer function. Temperature is the output.

And this is how one models an energy system?

Bill Toland
July 8, 2025 10:09 pm

“A vast majority of scientists around the world agree that human activities—primarily the burning of fossil fuels such as oil, gas and coal—are dangerously heating the Earth”.

This is utter nonsense. The vast majority of scientists who I know personally agree that human activities are contributing to the modest and beneficial warming of the Earth over the last century. None of them think that this is dangerous. The New York Times has inserted the word “dangerously” entirely of its own accord.

Reply to  Bill Toland
July 8, 2025 11:14 pm

“A vast majority of scientists around the world agree that human activities—primarily the burning of fossil fuels such as oil, gas and coal—are dangerously heating the Earth”.

A ‘vast’ majority of scientists- Do the NYT know this is as a:
a. Known, known
b. Known unknown, or
c. An unknown, unknown?

and can they not substantiate their unscientific claim with any solid evidence?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Bill Toland
July 9, 2025 7:56 am

NYT needs to publish the lists of the vast majority of scientists… dot.dot.dot. and exactly how they agree it is dangerous.

rovingbroker
July 9, 2025 3:22 am

If the popular press spent as much time and money reporting science in general and “climate” in particular as they do sports, I might spend a few dollars reading and watching their products.

roger
July 9, 2025 5:59 am

If you hire only people who agree with you, if you disparage those who don’t, THEN you don’t get to claim “consensus”.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  roger
July 9, 2025 7:57 am

100 scientists can agree, but it only takes 1 to prove me wrong.
— (paraphrased) Einstein

Sparta Nova 4
July 9, 2025 8:09 am

Failure analysis collects all data and other evidence to try to reconstruct what happened.

I am routinely called upon by (cannot disclose) organizations as a Subject Matter Expert in engineering and science when there is a need to perform failure analysis.

There are 3 things to address. (1) Trigger(s) (2) Symptom(s) (3) Root cause.

Climate models are attempting to reconstruct the Earth’s energy system(s):

  1. Trigger: Increasing CO2
  2. Symptom: Increasing temperature
  3. Root Cause: Increasing CO2

A trigger is never the root cause.
At least I have never encountered such a phenomenon in 50 years.
One never starts with a conclusion and work backwards, if one is to be successful.
Too many times people put band aides on the symptoms. That always comes back to haunt them.

The root cause in the failure of the climate models is: failure to identify and quantify assumptions.
It is the assumptions, every time, that cause models to fail.

July 9, 2025 9:27 am

Thank you for a complete take down of the NYT and the climate cult ! What a great public service !

Billyjack
July 9, 2025 10:50 am

Ike warned about government science in his departing speech.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades. In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of scientific-technological elite.” Dwight Eisenhower

Reply to  Billyjack
July 9, 2025 2:30 pm

The Left does not hold scientific research and discovery ‘in respect’, but as a weapon to be wielded against their opponents. Absent any potential to use ‘climate change’ to direct or allocate society’s resources in favor of state power, I doubt if any of us would ever have heard the term