By Wallace Manheimer
Major scientific organizations’ statements on “climate change” and the conclusions therein form the basis of much of the scientific foundation for governmental, scientific, media, and public concerns on the use of fossil fuels. Trillions of public and private dollars are currently being spent on alternative fuels to “save the planet” from the alleged harm of increasing CO2, a gas which is vital for life on earth. If the evaluations of these societies are erroneous, these measures could impoverish much of the world, to say nothing of wasting trillions. Economic damage and social unrest are already evident in some countries, including the United States. It is therefore imperative for all that their views be based on sound science, and if not, these societies should change their statements.
A recent publication and podcast have examined the scientific organizations’ climate statements, and have found numerous errors, errors which are easy to find by simply comparing the societies’ statements with data from such reliable sources as NOAA, NASA, and others. These societies are the American Physical Society (APS), American Meteorological Society (AMS), National Academy of Science (NAS), American Chemical Society (ACS), and American Geophysical Union (AGU).
Here is one example. The AGU states “Greater CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere are also affecting the growth and nutritional value of land plants…” Numerous studies, including measurements of terrestrial plant life from space, and measurements of crop production, have shown that if anything, increasing CO2 has increased both plant life and crop production. After all, CO2is a vital nutrient for plants, and the slight warming we have experienced, possibly in part due to the increased CO2, has increased the growing seasons in the temperate latitudes.
As another example, the ACS statement asserts: “Extreme weather and related events, such as floods, droughts… are increasing in frequency and intensity, threatening Americans’ physical, social, and economic well-being.”. The frequency and intensity of floods and droughts is measured by what is called NOAA’s Palmer drought index and this index is displayed as a graph of index versus year. It shows clearly, that in the United States the worst sustained droughts in the U.S. were in the 1930s and 1950s, and the worst sustained floods were in the 1970s through the 1990s.
Tens of thousands of scientists, including over 10,000 with Ph.Ds., have critically examined the evidence, and have concluded that a CO2-induced climate crisis is extremely unlikely. They have willingly and publicly asserted this, by adding their names to documents such as, the Oregon petition, Clintel Climate Petition, and the CO2 Coalition. Among other things, the societies should not ignore these, professional conclusions of many of their members.
Accordingly, and with humility, I suggest that these societies do the following:
- Replace their climate statements with ones that say there is most likely an effect humans have on the changing climate, but its importance for humanity is uncertain and it is still being debated.
- Eliminate statements that are demonstrably incorrect, as shown by comparison with easily available and reliable data.
- Acknowledge in their statements that fossil fuels cannot be replaced in the next several decades without greatly endangering our civilization.
- Acknowledge in their statements that CO2 has obvious benefit for human existence, as well as potential risks.
By changing their statements to ones that are more moderate and scientifically correct, these societies will not only be helping the professions they serve, but more important, will ultimately be aiding humanity. On the other hand, if they keep their statements as they are, they will remain on the wrong side of history, and posterity will not look kindly on them. And posterity may be arriving sooner than they think. With a Republican Congress and President Trump referring to the “green new scam,” these society presidents may find themselves hauled before Congress to receive the university president treatment.
After all, the APS statement says, “Multiple lines of evidence strongly support the finding that anthropogenic greenhouse gases have become the dominant driver of global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century.” What will its president say when the congressman puts up a graph showing that for 30 years in the early decades of the 20th century, the warming rate was the same or greater? Or when he puts up a map proving that the northern forests, 4000 years ago extended about 200 miles further north worldwide than they do today. Or shows that 2000 years ago, the Romans had vineyards in England extending all the way to Hadrian’s wall, millennia before cold weather grapes had been developed. Or when he shows evidence that 1000 years ago the Vikings grew barley in Greenland, something not possible today. Surely this proves that the world had many warmer periods without the help of extra CO2 in the atmosphere.
There are many such statements that Congress can quote, to very publicly humiliate these society presidents. As a committed life fellow of the APS, I hope these societies will change their statements now, before the roof collapses on them.
This commentary was first published at American Thinker on January 10, 2025.
Dr. Wallace Manheimer is a life fellow of the American Physical Society, the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers and is a member of the CO2 Coalition. He is the author of more than 150 refereed papers.
Given this is e sales pitch for CLINTEL.
They are currently matching their email list to signatories in their register. If you are a CLINTEL “No Emergency” signatory then please check if you are listed on the linked XLSX file:
https://eds6.mailcamp.nl/url.php?subid=4v5ejj4zl3q7u8d&nstatid=mo8y04y9gl&info=n9w3d0v&L=18899&F=H
If you have not registered to sign the petition then you can do that at this link:
https://clintel.org/want-to-sign/
I went to last link to sign up, but there was no form. What gives?
Try this:
https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration-form/
Whilst the societies are in the hands of the woke brigade the disinformation on “climate change” will continue.
I don’t have much good to say about the leadership of the Scientific Societies. They have turned their organizations into climate change propaganda organs.
They apparently have not delved deeply into the details of CO2 interacting with the atmosphere because if they had, they would see that all this climate crisis hype is not based on any evidence that CO2 is doing what climate alarmists claim it is doing in the atmosphere.
The leaders of these Scientific Societies can’t point to one shred of evidence establishing that CO2 has any measurable effects on the Earth’s atmosphere or weather.
No evidence. Yet they make all these unsubstantiated assertions about CO2. My question to them is: Based on what scientific evidence?
Educators need to start teaching their students how to tell the difference between evidence, and speculation, assumptions and unsubstantiated assertions. Alarmist Climate Science is made up entirely of the latter.
Scientific Society leaders need to stop lying to people (and possibly themselves) about climate science. There is no evidence for the claims they make about CO2’s interaction with the Earth’s atmosphere.
Lending the prestige of Scientific Societies to this climate change lie is outrageous. They should stop presenting speculation, assumptions and unsubstantiated assertions about CO2 as established facts.
Go along, to get along, is not science. Or ethical.
The American Chemical Society used to have online CC material for members which showed that while the global temperature was about 15C in 1900, it had changed to about 14C in 2000. I pointed that out this decline to the trade magazine editor who I used to argue with and it was subsequently changed.
Oddly, that editor died of cancer in 2022 and his 41 year old replacement died suddenly in the first days of assuming the helm.
They are bureaucrats. Bureaucrats measure success by their budget, number of subordinates, and new regulations.
The way to tell if someone if a bureaucrat is to imagine swapping them with some other similar-level bureaucrat. If the two could interchange jobs with only a few days to learn new names and acronyms, they are bureaucrats.
This is always true of professional organizations.
Those who can, do. Those who can’t, become politicians.
And it is always the politicians who end up running these organizations.
These societies no longer understand basic thermodynamics. Temperature is an intensive thermodynamic property. An average temperature of two independent thermodynamic systems does not exist. The mathematical average (T1 + T2)/2 is just a number. This means that there can be no global average temperature of the earth. The whole alarmist global warming argument is based on a meaningless number series. One way to try and restore some sanity here is to use the Koppen-Geiger or similar zonal definition of climate and climate change. For further discussion see:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386555762_A_Proposed_Definition_of_Climate_and_Climate_Change_for_IEEE_PP2030_and_Related_Standards#fullTextFileContent
Can we have a discussion about the validity of averaging temperature. If the resultant figure is a nonsense then why do we use it?
It gets worse when the quality of the temperature sources is considered.
IIRC maximum temperatures have been relatively stable, it is minimum temperatures that have risen. The average therefore shows a less cold world rather than an overheating world.
Has anyone figures that would support this hypothesis.
“shows a less cold world”
You mean a “less cold world” than the Little Ice Age.
This is basically what all the manic AGW panic is really all about. !
A slight, highly beneficial warming from the coldest period outside of a full-on Ice Age.
Climatology in general is ignorant of and ignores metrology and measurement uncertainty. Unfounded claims such as subtracting a baseline to form an anomaly “cancels” error, or that averaging can increase resolution of 1°C or °F data are common.
Yes we can, and good question.
For example, consider the different amount of energy required to increase the temperature of one cubic metre of dry air by 1K, and one cubic metre of air at 99% humidity by 1K. The difference will reveal the absolute insanity of expecting the ‘average’ temperature of the atmosphere to mean anything at all.
Every month the IEEE Spectrum magazine pays lip service to the “climate crisis” in article after article. Glad to see there might be hope for some sanity in the organization (life senior member here).
Averages are a valid statistic, Roy. I have a heat lamp on a timer in my greenhouse. I watch the average overnight low temp to set the timer depending on how much the average is dropping as winter approaches. A useful number.
You don’t average the low temperature from hundreds of places. You don’t spend trillions of $ trying to stop the average from changing.
Roy is correct. Trying to get an average temperature of the entire earth is a fool’s errand.
The earth is not “two independent thermodynamic systems”.
I had a discussion and email exchange with a geologist presenting a paper at the annual meeting of geologists. His thesis (and future funding) depended on the carbon dioxide theory (climate change caused by CO2 emissions at the subduction zone on the Pacific rim, or some such).
He did however recommend to me an introductory book on geology which mentioned Dansgaard events – the multiple times the planet has warmed very quickly in a short time – 5 to 15 degrees in 50 years. Here’s a bit from Encyclopaedia Britannica:
https://www.britannica.com/science/Dansgaard-Oeschger-event
Or from wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dansgaard%E2%80%93Oeschger_event
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My non expert view is that if warming and cooling of 5 to 15 degrees in 50 years has occurred 25 times in 120,000 years then lesser warmings of say 1.5 to 5 degrees have probably occurred even more often but haven’t yet been detected.
And here you can actually see his talk at the European Geophysical Union conference 2019:
https://client.cntv.at/egu2019/us3
His talk starts at about minute 35 of the recording: https://client.cntv.at/egu2019/us3
He points out that the world’s “average temperature” has been much warmer than the present – about 8 degrees warmer I recall – I haven’t watched it all through again.
He was:
Nicolas Swanson-Hysell Assistant Professor, Department of Earth and Planetary Science, University of California, Berkeley
Here is a quote from Brittanica:”In this second warming interval, average global temperatures increased by up to 10 °C (18 °F) in just a few decades.”
Must have been caused by early type of diesel engine.
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Joke, in case not obvious.
Just what did these professional [sic] organisations believe would happen if they played a game of agendas instead of a game of facts?
Serious damage is being caused to ordinary people by energy prices, so called renewable turbines etc. intermittency of supply in a completely unnecessary, meaningless and highly expensive fight against a harmless gas. Those responsible need to begin stating the truth or accepting whatever happens to them as natural justice when that truth finally becomes official. .
“…a game of agendas instead of a game of facts” – well put!
What did they believe would happen? More funding.
Much appreciation for the CO2 Coalition for aggressively refuting the over-the-top “climate” positions of the various societies.
On the other hand, I encourage the CO2 Coalition itself to stop conceding the core claim of the “climate” movement – that incremental CO2 is capable of causing an accumulation of absorbed energy as sensible heat gain down here under the circulating atmosphere to ANY extent. No one knows that! This is because the minor static radiative effect of rising concentrations of any of the non-condensing GHGs cannot be isolated for reliable attribution. The reported warming could easily be ALL from natural cycles and from causes other than GHGs, and it would look no different to us. This is important.
Here is an example from the CO2 Coalition’s website. Even as I have great respect for Lindzen and Happer, here is a quote from their post on that website.
“Further increases in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere cannot cause catastrophic global warming or extreme weather, only slight and beneficial increases in warming.”
(Source: https://co2coalition.org/publications/effects-of-net-zero-by-2050-summary/ )
Sirs, you do NOT know that even “slight” “warming” can be caused by further increases in CO2. The radiative effect is not in dispute. But its influence on the end result is not in evidence, nor need it be expected from the known physics of the general circulation.
One way to see the problem is to consider the computed hourly values of the “vertical integral of energy conversion” from the ERA5 reanalysis. More here at this very short time-lapse video. The full explanation is in the text description.
https://youtu.be/hDurP-4gVrY
Thank you for your patience. My aim is to persuade more skeptics to more firmly counter the claims which have been fundamentally unsound all along.
“The radiative effect is not in dispute. But the end result is not in evidence”
I’m with you, David. Excellent comments.
That last part should be stressed: The End Result is NOT in evidence.
People who claim to know the CO2 end result are either lying, or are seriously confused.
Me too. As I often express the concept, the inherent assumption in the hypothesis of the “enhanced” ( by addition of CO2, etc.) greenhouse effect is “all other things held equal.”
Which they have never been, are not, and will never be.
So the *actual* as opposed to *hypothetical* “effect” is not known, and there exists enough observational evidence to suggest that the *actual* effect cannot be distinguished from ZERO.
“…there exists enough observational evidence to suggest that the *actual* effect cannot be distinguished from ZERO.”
Agreed. This is important.
Thanks for your supportive reply, Tom. I hope I can help folks see the unsoundness of it all more clearly.
To counter the climate zombies, we have to avoid using any of their hijacked, repurposed, redefined vocabulary, including those incredulous, but credible sounding, expressions.
The list is long.
State with green house gas and continue.
I need to be more careful even when using the acronym “GHGs” – I should have at least used quotations in this post. Often I now specify CO2, CH4, N2O as the main substances involved in the falsely claimed “warming.”
A proper term is radiatively active gases. These absorb or emit radiation in some relevant wavelength and therefore influence the radiation budget in the atmosphere. H2O being the most abundant and important.
Except, that in the atmosphere, CO2 does not get a chance to re-emit. Any absorbed energy is thermalised immediately to become part of the general atmosphere of convection and conduction and air movement.
Thermalize is one of those hijacked terms and electromagnetic energy is not thermalized by CO2 or anything else.
CO2 does re-emit.
NO, the odds in the lower atmosphere of CO2 re-emitting is some 50,000 to 1.
It does not get a chance to re-emit until way up in the atmosphere, where the atmosphere is thin enough to allow it.
Watch the video.
Tom Shula and Markus Ott : The “Missing Link” in the Greenhouse Effect | Tom Nelson Pod #232 – YouTube
Post says:”The radiative effect is not in dispute.”
If you mean that infrared causes vibration when absorbed by molecules then OK. Is that what you mean?
I mean the “radiative effect” in the sense of the confirmed properties of CO2, CH4, N2O as absorbers and emitters of IR. So in practical terms related to the atmosphere, it means I don’t take issue with the theoretically improved IR absorbing power and the improved effectiveness of IR emission from the upper atmosphere to space. I do not regard the incremental concentrations of CO2, etc., to represent a “forcing” applied to the climate system, because no energy is being added to the land + oceans + atmosphere. I know this is a long-winded answer, but I am trying to be precise.
The effect is called scattering. Scattering means the EM emission is not on the same vector as the incident EM wave. Think of it in a simplified form, a sphere. The EM emitted can be in any spherical direction based on quantum probabilities.
CO2 does not get a chance to re-emit in the lower atmosphere.
Any energy is transferred to other molecules and become part of the general energy transfer in the atmosphere.
Tom Shula and Markus Ott : The “Missing Link” in the Greenhouse Effect | Tom Nelson Pod #232 – YouTube
Your claim of zero climate sensitivity is refuted by 125 years of scientific research. NO ONE believes that.
WB, I do not press a claim of zero or any other precise number for “climate sensitivity.” ECS itself is an unsound construct – unphysical and unknowable. It’s blindingly obvious that any claim to have isolated a climate system response to incremental CO2 differing from zero is not supported by the evidence of how the longwave emitter works, and how energy conversion works to drive the general circulation. Take 20 minutes out of your busy schedule and consider the points made in these very short videos. The text description of each provides an explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI8vhRIT-3uaLhuaIZq2FuQ
The video doesn’t deal with the basic concept of climate sensitivity , which is a measure of how much global average temperature changes for a given radiative forcing. For the radiative forcing associated with a change in atmospheric co2 concentration, climate sensitivity is defined as the ratio of global avg temperature change for a doubling of atmospherIc co2 concentration .
Your assertion , without explanation, that cs cannot be determined, is obviously incorrect.
Thanks for watching, WB. I assume you are talking about the “Energy Conversion in the Atmosphere” video. Your single-digit “radiative forcing” is within the width of the tick mark at “0” on the vertical axis of the plots. That is the point – that any proposed ECS from whatever source fails to appreciate what the dynamic operation of the compressible atmosphere is constantly doing with energy. The [internal energy + potential energy] <–> [kinetic energy] energy conversion completely obscures and overwhelms whatever is being assumed about an incremental radiative “warming” effect. The modelers obviously know this. Let that sink in.
Do you acknowledge that exchanges of energy within earths system do not change the heat content of earths system? (The first Law of Thermodynamics).
Do you further acknowledge that any difference in the heat flowing in to earths system vs the heat flowing out must be reflected in a change in the heat content of earths system?
WB, there is no reason to begin with, to suppose that the land + oceans + atmosphere system acts as a single-element thermal mass and single-element absorber / reflector / emitter in relation to the incoming/outgoing energy exchange. This is plainly observed from space – that the planet functions as a huge array of highly active emitter/reflector elements, largely because of the atmosphere’s operation. So your questions are a pointless misdirection. The notion of EEI (Earth’s Energy Imbalance) as a single value is misleading, just like the notion of a single value for ECS. So if your understanding of the “climate” situation is informed by these single-value concepts, then now you know where to start your recovery from those widely held “climate” misconceptions.
One more thing: there is no good reason to assume that the energy retained in the atmosphere is in the form of sensible heat. It is also stored as kinetic energy, potential energy, and the latent heat of water vapor. I could go on about surface ice and the kinetic energy of ocean circulation.
Thank you for listening.
My question to you about the 1st Law applies to any system, including the earth + oceans+ atmosphere. If you can’t answer the question, you’ve had no education in thermodynamics.
You’re out on a limb here, WB. If you didn’t grasp my response, then we may be done here for now.
No such thing (measurable) as a global average temperature.
Dr. Manheimer, what do you get from your continued “support” of such an organization?
The climate zombies are coming.
We need MORE BRAINS.
Unfortunately, they are consuming more brains.
“such reliable sources as NOAA, NASA,…” Author Wallace Manheimer must be joking.
The American Physical Society is just as rubbished as the other scientific societies.
Oh yes. When someone who is not a climate scientist claims he is a climate scientist, and also claims that scientific societies are incompetent, one starts to think ‘projection’.
Says the guy who still believes that peer review is the gold standard of science, and that any paper he agrees with that has gone through peer review must never be questioned.
I believe anything can be questioned. But when an unqualified non scientist on wuwt claims to have discovered fundamental errors in 125 years of climate research, but has never published anything in a scientific journal, the words ‘ con artist’ and ‘Dunning Kruger’ immediately come to mind.
Years ago (2010 ?) my wife and I signed the Oregon Petition. If anything, I am now more convinced that “the climate crisis” is a popular delusion [aka madness] with eerie similarities to witch hunts.
The numbered statements [1 – 4] in the post should move #1 to last place and reword to express the uncertainty of CO2 as a cause of warming given all the other causal possibilities, such as solar radiation, cleaner air, and heat contributed by all the things 8,200,000,000 people do. Grab an on 60 watt light bulb for enlightenment.
Your personal idea here: __________
….story tip….
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/melting-ice-reveals-remains-of-5900-year-old-trees-in-wyoming-uncovering-a-long-lost-forest-180985819/
These are a special species of tree that grows under glaciers in many places.. ! 😉
Don’t be providing them with their next “Mannsplation.” 😆😅🤣😂
Apart from some polar places where sunlight does not always reach the ground, temperatures taken close to the surface go up and down every day in a short term variation that is tiny in geological time.
Yet, each day a minimum is reached. It is reasonably predictable,
What is the precise mechanism that tells the system it has reached its minimum? It commonly ends with the sunshine of a new day, so sunshine is part of the mechanism. Until we really understand the physics and chemistry of this diurnal change and cease arguing about it, scientific societies are not allowed to choose a preference that could be wrong.
Understanding does not come with peer review or with consensus or with money to be made from choice of a preference.
Understanding comes from valid scientific research and that is now a tiny effort compared to the spending resulting from choice of a preference, namely that radiative gases play a large part in diurnal fluctuations.
I can remember no paper that shows this unequivocally. There are papers that claim the radiative effect is small, but they are demonised.
The lack of scientific understanding was shown recently by the injection of an anomalous amount of water whose gas phase is radiative, into the stratosphere from the Hunga Tonga event. Nobody has been able to understand it.
That should be a large red alert for proper scientists.
Geoff S
Very nice Wallace. It is ironic that you used climate alarmist groups to dismantle what other climate alarmist groups claim. No matter who is saying what if their message is used to create or enforce government policy all of their work must be made public for critical review. If you won’t or can’t make your work available it can not be considered for public policy reasons or justification. Show your work or hit the road.
Dr Wallace Manheimer Skills and Expertise:
Computational Fluid Dynamics, Numerical Simulation, Numerical Modeling, Computational Fluid Mechanics, Numerical Analysis
Missing: Climate Science, Atmospheric Physics, Geology.
Oh dear, don’t you realise that the atmosphere is a fluid/gas, and follows all the physics of the fluid dynamics and mechanics.
In the “Numerical Simulation, modelling and analysis fields” he would be far above most of the low-end hacks that do “climate modelling”.
Thanks for showing us that Wallace would know more about the actual “science” and “modelling” of the atmosphere than probably 99.999999% of self-name “climate scientists”. 🙂 🙂
I love how these alarmists completely ignore the arguments made. 90% of the so called climate scientists don’t have degrees in climate science.
The only difference is that you regard those that support the narrative as infallible, where those who don’t are always wrong.
I accept peer reviewed science. I do not accept opinions from random unqualified bs artists on wuwt.
“peers” who are “uninfluenced” by the $$$$? I re-submit an earlier post here: “““They told me to follow the science. Funny thing – it kept leading me back to the money.” – Nick Adams
““They told me to follow the science. Funny thing – it kept leading me back to the money.” – Nick Adams