Cartoons by Josh writes:
I posted this just now
https://twitter.com/Cartoonsbyjosh/status/1853372731267453020
might work as a Monday Mirthness.
Ben’s article here
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/11/02/scepticisms-post-covid-problem/
All the best
Josh
Ben’s article is behind a paywall but here is his Twitter thread about his article.
https://twitter.com/clim8resistance/status/1853039837323972934
I also weighed in on Ben’s original tweet.
Charles Rotter 📟
@crotter8
Excellent piece. Another way to put this is that we have a serious epistemological problem with ideologically captured institutions and scientific knowledge.In some cases, such as mRNA therapy effectiveness, institutions such as the CDC and NIH are caught in blatant lies, but we still look to these same institutions to collect data on non-political issues, such as a genetic mutation that causes a predilection towards specific cancers.
NOAA blatantly puts its thumb on the scale in presentations of Climate Crisis propaganda, but it seems we can still trust the National Hurricane Center’s short-term forecasts.
End users are now literally forced to distinguish between truth and fiction emanating from the same source.
A simple path is to simply trust or distrust the institution, (or academia, or corporate media), completely, embracing everything or rejecting everything from those institutions.
But that doesn’t work. Instead critical thinking must be employed to separate useful truth from propaganda fiction.
For many reasons, including the collapse of education in the West, most people aren’t up to the task so they outsource their critical thinking to intermediates, a sub authority becoming the new authority.
Without fixing the educational system, a multigenerational task, and rebuilding institutions to become trustworthy from scratch, it’s hard to see societal trust and cohesiveness returning anytime soon.
BTW, @crotter8 as well as @wattsupwiththat.com can use more follows.
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Josh’s cartoon says it all.
For Saruman read Miliband.
That jet jockey was having fun!
I’m not a frequent flyer but I’ve flown into busy airports and had delays. Could those circles be a plane or planes circling while in a holding pattern to land? I think they’re cool but no conspiracy.
My guess it’s not a holding pattern, that there are contrails suggests the plane is higher than typical holding patterns.
I might have looked for it at flightradar24.com, except that:
1) There’s no date/time.
2) No mention of where it is. (Yeah, I was too lazy to look for EXIF data.)
3) The compass direction. (Yeah, the sun provides a very good clue.)
4) No attempt find out what it is. If it’s not a commercial flight (there’s no reason to think it is!), then it’s likely a military flight. While those often fly in the US with transponders on, the FlightRadar folk generally don’t save the flight track data for very long.
5) It would likely be a waste of my time.
They are not holding patterns. A holding pattern is racetrack shaped and rarely at high enough altitudes to produce contrails. Those are some military fighter jets doing maneuvers. Or practicing dogfights, or perhaps an AWACS surveying a mock battlefield. Or tankers/fighters doing 360 circles to allow others to catch up to their position.
https://skybrary.aero/articles/holding-pattern
Holding patterns are not circular, they are a race tracks, oblong with rounded corners and almost always on one side of the airport.
Thanks for the responses from both of you.
Remember the sky penis?
Circular con-trails? It’s called “stacking” and happens every day over Watford in SE England when Heathrow is backing up…
“BTW, @crotter8 as well as @wattsupwiththat can use more follows.”
Good point. Keep up the good work. If readers here are not on X, I encourage them to set up an account there.
I have an account, but X is a friggin’ cesspool.
I find that by using the “following” tab instead of the “for you” tab, the feed is better suited to what I want to see.
I tried to follow the threads in the above article, but found it ridiculously painful. Just one of the reasons I don’t use twatter, but way down the list. It’s worse than useless, it’s dangerous.
I agree that sometimes the threads go out of control, which is frustrating.
Are chemtrails a real idea? Like there are people who believe commercial jets are crop dusting civilization? I hear about them occasionally in pop culture and just assume its nonsense. I’ve never done any work on it. First take: the sky is big and jets are small.
If you think that’s silly, look up rods.
Yes, there are people who believe chemtrails are real. I personally talked with one who also happened to be the City representative for a project I was working on. Real nice guy, easy to talk to, just believed in chemtrails.
Contrails. Lots of them during WW2 when planes and bombers were developed that could fly at higher altitudes than before. (Maybe the first time they were ever seen?)
Who first claimed they contained “chemicals” other than water vapor and, maybe, uncombusted fuel?
If anyone wanted to spread chemicals in this way, they’d just do it at night. To say they’re doing it, and during the day, is to say that this incredibly vast collection of people conspiring to spread chemicals are absolutely all incredibly dumb.
Not impossibile, in government anyway, out not even slightly likely.
No
I worked in the military world (NAVAIR) for decades. Not only was I doing atmospheric measurements and had associations across the other military branches and national labs, I have many Navy friends who were or are military pilots and back seaters. Not once has anyone, ANYONE, of these scientists and flyers ever mentioned chemtrails.
But yes, I have been told by random bozos I’ve met that it’s a real thing, just too secret for me to know about.
So how do you figure agent orange was spread on the jungles of SE Asia ?
But really, spreading the cheapest chemical you can think of, by using jets to produce chemtrails over any size of land larger than a county would be horribly expensive for whoever is doing it. And to what motive ? So write it off as a tinfoil hat theory…
Has nothing to do with Agent Orange spraying during the Vietnam War. That was military action in a war zone. Lots bad stuff happens in war.
The idea is govs (or whoever) are spraying chemicals for whatever reasons over large areas of the US, or Europe, or wherever.
I’ve had a couple conversations with chemtrail types, go like this.
It’s obvious right? Just look up. But how come? Don’t know, it’s secret. How do you know about it? Obvious, just look up. But I’m in the gov, do atmospheric research, I even fly experiments on gov planes, and I know lots of military pilots that know stuff. We have never heard of chemical spraying in civil or military airspace. And we know these are just contrails. You don’t know because it’s too secret. Compartmentalized. So how do you know this? I just do.
Doesn’t have to make sense,
You don’t know because it’s too secret.
Then how can I look it up?
Good Lord people, have you never been around an airforce base. Those circles are jet fighters training. I see them all the time here in Fairbanks AK, and as far East as the Canadian border for those planes out of Eilson AFB, same for Elmendorf AFB in Anchorage and as far East as Glennallen.
Really cool when they are training for the fueling wing
I used to argue over the dumb chemtrails baloney, would give people actual published science papers exposing it as baloney and photos existed from the 1930’s showing these “chemtrails” were common then nothing is verifiable when they began their delusions from the Twilight Zone.
The ‘chemtrails’ are actually contrails.
We live 8 miles from RAF Valley & often see contrails like that (temperature & humidity permitting ) when they are training for dogfights & when the ‘Red Arrows’ are practising.
Here is a low level contrail being formed in high humidity
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I’ve seen trails like that as we lifted off from Heathrow.
Wilson cloud.
“The ‘chemtrails’ are actually contrails.”
Everyone knows that. But the nutters think there are extra chemicals somehow added.
No sign of any engine exhaust chemicals in the image above.
Maybe they think the wing tips and fronts have chem storage in them for release 😉
Not to worry, they have all the woke credentials in place these days.
For many reasons, including the collapse of education in the West, most people aren’t up to the task so they outsource their critical thinking to intermediates, a sub authority becoming the new authority.
Some days you just gotta love the institution of Parliament and Opposition skepticism-
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You get back to us on that from the Minister and the Department
Wasn’t the internet supposed to provide us all with “more, better, sooner” information ? That doesn’t seem to be working out for us.
It’s degenerated similar to making attempts to have an intelligent conversation in the supermarket checkout line with someone who is reading “National Enquirer” or “Star” while they wait for their groceries to be totalled.
Don’t get down on the Enquirer – it’s far more factual than most of the media today! 🙂