O C Register Publishes a Climate Alarmist “The Heat Rises” Weather Impact Chart Which Should instead be Called “The Hype, Distortion & Deception Rises”

Guest essay by Larry Hamlin

The Orange County Register published a full-page chart (shown below) allegedly portraying the impact of increasing weather temperatures on fatalities across the U.S. over various time intervals.

The lower portion of the chart is provided below for improved viewing showing the hyped 2023 and other time period weather fatalities supposedly compared to other weather events as contrived by NOAA as well as the July 2024 highest average temperature ranking of the 48 U.S. states.

The contrived weather fatalities chart information deceptions regarding “heat” have been addressed in detail by Kip Hansen in his excellent and comprehensive WUWT article here and shown below.

As noted in Kip’s article:

“In a recent News Brief, I pointed out that the major climate alarm propaganda cabals [CCNow, Inside Climate News] would be flooding the mainstream media outlets all around the world with the news that in the Northern Hemisphere, where most of the humanity lives, it is Summer, and summers tend to be hot.”

“Further, encouraged by the Climate Propaganda Cabals, news outlets rely on a report from world newspaper-of-record like The Guardian [a co-founder of the climate propaganda outlet Covering Climate Now CCNow]:

Extreme temperatures kill 5 million people a year with heat-related deaths rising, study finds [The Guardian]

Selectively quoting from that piece is common practice, despite the fact that there is a sub-headline that reads: “More people died of cold than heat in past 20 years, but climate change is shifting the balance.” One has to read the piece very carefully to find that it reports on Zhao et al. 2021 (a comprehensive peer reviewed global wide study) which did, in fact, find that heat related deaths were rising (as population also rises) and to discover that the gentle warming of the climate is preventing more cold deaths than the increase in heat deaths — resulting in a net reduction in extreme temperature deaths.

More exactly: 9.43% of all deaths were related to non-optimum temperatures. Of the same 5 million, 8.52% were cold-related and 0.91% were heat-related. Again, over 8.5 percent of deaths are cold-related and only 0.9 were heat related — that is almost 10 times as many cold-related deaths than heat related deaths.”

The extensive Zhao 2021 study (noted above) involved data analysis for 750 global locations contained within 43 countries and covered the period from 2000 to 2019.  

Kip’s WUWT article further notes:

This lying about heat and cold deaths is subject to a pretty good debunking by Joshua Cohen at Forbes, in his July 2023 piece Excessive Heat Can Kill, But Extreme Cold Still Causes Many More Fatalities.

[quoting below from that Forbes piece – note the author is writing about Zhao et al. 2021]

“Between 2000 and 2019, annual deaths from heat exposure increased globally. The 20-year period coincided with the earth warmed by about 0.9 degrees Fahrenheit. The heat-related fatalities disproportionately impacted Asia, Africa and Southern parts of Europe and North America.”

“Interestingly, during the 2000-2019 period examined in the study, while heat-related deaths rose, deaths from cold exposure fell. And they decreased by a larger amount than the increase in heat-related fatalities. Overall, researchers estimated that approximately 650,000 fewer people worldwide died from temperature exposure during the 2000-2019 period than in the 1980s and 1990s.”

“Bluntly, in the recent twenty years studied, about 650,000 lives were saved by the slow and steady warming of the climate 2000-2019.”

There is yet more in Kip’s article which provides links to 3 peer reviewed articles – 2 of which are published in The Lancet (the premier Journal of Medicine publication founded in 1823) that address the overwhelming result that cold produces many times more deaths than heat.

In addition to the Zhao 2021 and 2024 studies (the 2024 Zhao study increased the time interval study period to 30 years from 1990 to 2019) Kip’s article also addressed a Lancet European region study which involved assessment of 870 European urban areas over 30 countries.

Our World in Data provides the following chart from the Zhao et al. 2021 study showing the dominance of cold related deaths versus heat outcome occurs (note 9 times greater cold deaths in North America versus heat related deaths) worldwide as noted below.

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The Register’s Chart completely misrepresents, conceals and falsely characterizes extensive and overwhelmingly persuasive data from worldwide peer reviewed scientific studies that clearly establish that deaths from extreme cold hugely outnumber deaths from extreme heat and that modestly increasing temperatures lower overall deaths from extreme temperatures. How could the Register (and SCNG) manage to get this clearly established global outcome so incredibly wrong.  

The Register’s chart regarding the U.S. states July 2024 temperatures (provided above in the chart with the weather fatalities erroneous “heat” information) is typical of climate alarmist cherry picking. If the highest average monthly June or August 2024 temperatures had been used instead for California in this graph these months would have shown as California’s 3rd and 17th highest temperatures respectively.

The upper portion of the Register’s falsely hyped and misleading chart is shown below.

This chart also misleads readers in a number of very significant ways.

First, note that the Registers article graph temperature starting dates are all in the late 1950s and into the 1960’s which conceals and hides the well-established climate science data that clearly demonstrates the highest (by far) heat waves indexes across the entire U.S. occurred in the decade of the 1930s as shown in EPAs Heat Wave Index data shown below.

The period of the late 1950s and into the 1960s are representative of the lower levels of the Heat Wave index across the U.S.

Additionally, the Registers chart completely ignores the climate science data establishing that the huge population growth and increasing population density across the U.S. in the 1880 – 2023 period has resulted in Urban Island Heat effects contributing to increased summer temperatures that have exaggerated cities warming growth by at least 100% as noted in the study shown below.

The study determined that:

“It is interesting that the spatial (inter-station temperature difference) UHI effect is always stronger in the homogenized GHCN data than in the raw version of those data in Fig. 1. The very fact that there is a strong urban warming signal in the homogenized data necessitates that there must be a UHI impact on trends in those data. This is because the urban stations have grown substantially in the last 130 years. A recent paper by Katata et al. demonstrates that the homogenization technique used by NOAA does not actually correct urban station trends to look like rural station trends. It does breakpoint analysis which ends up adjusting some stations to look like their neighbors, whether urban or rural. To the extent that spurious warming from UHI is gradual through time, it “looks like” global warming and will not be removed through NOAA’s homogenization procedure. And since all classes of station (rural to urban) have undergone average population growth in the last 130 years, one cannot even assume that rural temperature trends are unaffected by UHI (see Fig. 2).”

The study concludes:

“But for the average “suburban” (100-1,000 persons per sq. km) station, UHI is 52% of the calculated temperature trend, and 67% of the urban station trend (>1,000 persons per sq. km). This means warming has been exaggerated by at least a factor of 2 (100%).

This also means that media reports of record high temperatures in cities must be considered suspect, since essentially all those cities have grown substantially over the last 100+ years, and so has their urban heat island.”

The significant issue of increasing population density contributing to increasing temperature measurement outcomes unrelated to claims of “climate change” is worldwide and unaddressed in global measurement system claims of climbing temperature outcomes as revealed in this further study shown below.

The study highlights the following regarding global temperature measurements systems:

“To review, the dataset is based upon over 13 million station-pairs of monthly average air temperature measurements at closely spaced GHCN stations between 1880 and 2023. It quantifies the average *spatial* relationship between 2-station differences in temperature and population density (basically, quantifying the common observation that urban locations are warmer than suburban, which are in turn warmer than rural). The quantitative relationships are then applied to a global population density dataset extending back through time.

The quantitative relationships between temperature and population are almost the same whether I use GHCN raw or adjusted (homogenized) data, with the homogenized data producing a somewhat stronger UHI signal. They are also roughly the same whether I used data from 1880-1920, or 1960-1980; for this global dataset, all years (1880 through 2023) are used together to derive the quantitative relationships.”

Provided below are some of the study’s results regarding UHI impacts on increasing measured temperatures as illustrated by specific color coding temperature increasing impacts over defined time intervals worldwide, across the U.S. (note California and Los Angeles impact color codes), Europe, India, China and other Asia regions.

The study concludes:

Over 50% of the population now lives in urban areas, and that fraction is supposed to approach 70% by 2045. This summer we have seen how the media reports on temperature records being broken for various cities and they usually conflate urban warmth with global warming even through such record-breaking warmth would increasingly occur even with no global warming.”

Unfortunately, there are yet more significant troubling problems  regarding the lack of quality and credibility of the temperature measurements taken across the U.S. (that allegedly are supposed to provide reliable and accurate climate temperatures measurements that are used to create government climate policy) as documented in great detail in the year 2022 report by Anthony Watts from The Heartland Institute as shown below.

In summary (the document is some 60 pages in length), the report includes the original results of an extensive study and evaluation in 2009 of more than 850 USHCN temperature measurement stations located across the nation and addressed these stations compliance with NOAA/NWS siting and other requitements needed to achieve reliable and accurate measurement data.

Some of the key results are reflected in the page shown below including “Approximately 90 percent of the USHCN stations failed to meet NWS’s own requirements which stipulate that stations must be 30 meters (100 feet) or more away from artificial or radiating /reflecting heat sources.” This critical issue represents a particularly significant measurement problem that is clearly apparent in the evaluations of the USHCN system presented in the Heartland report.

Based on these troublesome findings as well as other investigation findings the GAO conducted its own review in 2011 and found that (among many other findings):

“NOAA does not centrally track whether USHCN stations adhere to siting standards and the requirement to update station records, and it does not have an agency-wide policy regarding stations that do not meet its siting standards…

“Without centrally available information, NOAA cannot easily measure the performance of the USHCN in meeting siting standards and management requirements. Furthermore, federal internal control standards call for agencies to document their policies and procedures to help managers achieve desired results. NOAA has not developed an agencywide policy, however, that clarifies for agency staff whether stations that do not adhere to siting standards should remain open because the continuity of the data is important or should be moved or closed. As a result, weather forecast offices do not have a basis for making consistent decisions to address stations that do not meet the siting standards”.

Additional reviews and evaluations continued based on the 2009 report including a key 2015 peer reviewed study (Watts Et Al., 2015) which showed that well sited stations have significantly lower temperature trend outcomes as noted below from Heartland year 2022 report.

Additionally, a 2019 experiment conducted by Oak Ridge Laboratory proved conclusively that temperature measurement siting failures (particularly related to close proximity to artificial heat sinks) can result in important impacts on daily temperature maximum and minimum outcomes as noted below from the Heartland year 2022 report discussed below.

A typical example (one of many dozens of such contained in the report) of the failure of NOAA to site USHCN temperature measurement stations at a significant distance away from heat sinks is shown below where the heat coming from a nearby power transformer (infrared scan image) is clearly affecting the station measurement location.

“The abstract of the ATDD’s 2019 report explains the experimental design:

A field experiment was performed in Oak National Ridge Laboratory, TN, with four instrumented towers placed over grass at increasing distances (4, 30, 50, 124, and 300 m) from a built-up area. Stations were aligned in such a way to simulate the impact of small-scale encroachment on temperature observations. As expected, temperature observations were warmest for the site closest to the built-up environment with an average temperature difference of 0.31 and 0.24 °C for aspirated and unaspirated sensors respectively. Mean aspirated temperature differences were greater during the evening (0.47 °C) than day (0.16 °C) …

These results suggest that small-scale urban encroachment within 50 meters of a station can have important impacts on daily temperature extrema (maximum and minimum) with the magnitude of these differences dependent upon prevailing environmental conditions and sensing technology.

The 2019 NOAA Oak Ridge Laboratory publication vindicated the findings of the original 2009 Surface Stations publication as well as Watts et al.’s 2015 follow-up.”

The actions taken by NOAA to address the obvious and significant artificial heat source measurement station siting problems were half measures at best with the year 2022 Heartland report noting critical measurement problems that continued to plague the temperature measurement system validity and accuracy:

“NOAA and its subordinate agencies clearly went to great lengths to defend the quality of the USHCN network.

However, NOAA abruptly stopped using the USHCN dataset in 2014, switching to a new dataset called “nClimDiv.”

“USHCN’s 1,218 stations were dwarfed by the nascent nClimDiv initiative, which incorporates more than 10,000

installations in a network called “nClimGrid.” This new network combines the USHCN stations, in addition to thousands of stations from the Global Historical Climatology Network (GHCN).

The switch was likely a strategic maneuver by NOAA to draw attention away from the fact that its long-maintained

USHCN had been riddled with poorly sited locations, compromising the temperature records it produced.

Perhaps NOAA believed changing the name and the method would shield the system from further criticism.

NOAA / NCDC concurrently rolled out the new U.S. “Climate Reference Network” (USCRN), which it described as thusly:

NCDC developed the U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) to address the most basic of climate change questions that Americans will ask in the mid-21st century, “How has the climate of the Nation changed in the last 50 years?” The USCRN measures temperature with superior accuracy

and continuity in places that land-use change will not likely impact during the next five decades. Built specifically for this purpose, it is unlike any other climate observation network in the United States. NCDC began the USCRN build-out in the lower 48 states in 2000 and completed the last of 114 station installations in 2008. Since 2005, the USCRN has operated a sufficient number of stations to generate accurate annual national temperature averages.”

However, a huge problem remains with measurement station reliability and accuracy that is hidden from view as described in the Heartland report as follows:

“Surprisingly, NOAA, NCDC, and NCEI do not use or cite the high-quality temperature data produced by the USCRN in any public reports. Instead, they use nClimDivdata, which contains all of the poorly sited USHCN stations, in addition to thousands of other stations that likely have the same set of station siting problems. NOAA / NCDC claims they then “adjust” the nClimDivdata to closely match the data from the USCRN. This “Band-Aid” approach does little to address problems that have been identified, and instead creates a dataset rife with multitudes of adjustments that may or may not fairly represent long-term temperature trends. Moreover, this approach does not address problems with individual station records, such as heat sink effects and biased temperature readings.

Furthermore, adjusting the nClimDivdata to closely match the data from the USCRN only affects 17 years of

data, failing to address any data produced before USCRN became operational in 2005. This means all of the

temperature data showing climate warming in the 20th century was not adjusted in the same manner as data

gathered after 2005, creating a disjointed U.S. climate dataset.”

The latest USHCN contiguous U.S. maximum temperature anomaly measurements (measured temperatures with superior accuracy and continuity in places that land-use change will not likely impact during the next 5 decades that remain away from artificial heat sinks) for the 19-year period from January 2005 to August 2024 (shown below) clearly show significant oscillating changes with little to indicate any established warming trend from 2005 to 2024 despite the ridiculous claims of climate alarmist propagandists that are reflected in the Registers completely misleading chart.

It is extremely unfortunate that the U.S. media is so incapable and incompetent at addressing the huge climate science shortcomings underlying climate alarmist propaganda as illustrated in this Register and SCNG chart.  

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gDavid
September 27, 2024 6:21 am

The reason that everything that put out as truth is not done by a human, it is done by AI that has been programmed by a person or a group of people who want to have everyone believe that ‘Gorebul Warming’ is a fact.

September 27, 2024 6:38 am

“The latest USHCN contiguous U.S. maximum temperature anomaly measurements … for the 19-year period from January 2005 to August 2024 … clearly show significant oscillating changes with little to indicate any established warming trend from 2005 to 2024.”

For the record, the warming trend for US max temperatures according to USCRN, is 0.41°C / decade. This is probably not statistically significant given auto-correlation and the short time period. But it’s hardly “little to indicate” a warming trend.

If you just look at summer maximumums, the trend is similar, at 0.42°C / decade, with a 2 sigma uncertainty of ±0.45°C.

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strativarius
Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 6:55 am

For the record

The record is wholly inadequate and always will be.

Reply to  strativarius
September 27, 2024 7:04 am

Then why bring it up?

Why go on about how much better USCRN is than previous data, and try to imply it is refuting some claims, and then say you can ignore it because it’s inadequate?

strativarius
Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 7:29 am

I’m not in the US…

Reply to  strativarius
September 27, 2024 7:44 am

So?

The claim I was addressing was about the USCRN.

strativarius
Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 8:43 am

So if it’s anything like the MO it’s not up to much

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 11:34 am

The claim you made was:

This is probably not statistically significant given auto-correlation and the short time period.

Reply to  doonman
September 27, 2024 5:01 pm

Right, but it is still a ‘best estimate’ warming trend and it’s a trend that is in line with longer term sources in the same region.

Here’s the funny thing about the ‘pristine’ USCRN: it’s warming faster than the ‘controlled’ ClimDiv data over their shared period of measurement.

That’s right. The pristine set is warming faster than the adjusted set.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
September 27, 2024 8:20 pm

OMG, The deliberate ignorance continues

Climdiv actually states that they use the pristine rural data to, ie USCRN remove urban bias on a regional basis

Climdiv started a bit higher and is now the same trend as they have honed in their adjustment routines. (see graph below)

I know basic comprehension is beyond your junior high level of intelligence, but at least try. !

There is no significant difference between the two trend, especially since they have their urban adjustments correct…

… in fact since the from 2017 to just before the 2023 El Nino, Climdiv has a slightly smaller COOLING trend than USCRN.

ClimDiv-minus-USCRN
Reply to  TheFinalNail
September 27, 2024 9:05 pm

The pristine set is warming faster than the adjusted set.”

What is totally bizarre and unthinking about your comment is that you don’t seem to realise that any difference between the pristine data and the “adjusted” data is TOTALLY DEPENDANT on the adjustments.

So funny !! 🙂

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 9:52 am

Maybe he just doesn’t trust climate numbers from anyone- I certainly don’t.

KevinM
Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 8:56 am

The chart appears to plot 20 points with 7 outside the 2 sigma line. Decisions were made.

Reply to  KevinM
September 27, 2024 2:25 pm

It’s the confidence interval, not the prediction interval. Try to understand the difference,.

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 2:35 pm

Try to understand that what you have posted is totally meaningless.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 9:14 am

So the uncertainty is greater than the trend.

w00t

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
September 27, 2024 9:53 am

CLIMATE- the Great Uncertainty- and most of us neither worry about it nor care 🙂

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
September 27, 2024 1:16 pm

And based on El Nino events, which bellboy continues to DENY exist.

No evidence of human causation, and leaves the planet still well and truly in the “coldhouse” period.

Reply to  bnice2000
September 27, 2024 2:20 pm

Poor little b2, still having to lie to make his point. He knows full well I have never once denied El Niños exist. I’ve been pointing out their existence since well before he was around, at least using his current name.

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 2:22 pm

still well and truly in the “coldhouse” period

Sorry to disappoint you, but we are not getting the dinosaurs back.

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 2:39 pm

So you think it is good to live in a “coldhouse”

Move to northern Canada, and leave the slight natural, beneficial warming since the LIA for those of us who appreciate it.

Reply to  bnice2000
September 27, 2024 5:14 pm

So you think it is good to live in a “coldhouse”

I’ve been living in one all my life. So has everyone who has ever lived.

Using the definitions from that graph I showed you a couple of days ago, we would need a global average temperature of 18°C+ to reach a “coolhouse” state. That’s about 3-4°C warmer than current. I think I’d prefer to stick with the temperatures we as a species have thrived in, rather than put the clock back 10 million years.

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 2:41 pm

Poor child.. still no evidence of human causation.

DENIAL of the effect of El Nino events and that they are the only cause of warming in the UAH …. that is your “thing”.

Or are you now ADMITTING that the warming comes only from El Nino events ?

Let us see you say it. 🙂

Reply to  bnice2000
September 27, 2024 4:45 pm

So you admit you were lying about me. But then shift to your fantasy that El Niños can permanently warm the planet. Yes, I certainly deny that.

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 5:03 pm

ROFLMAO

Poor child.. still no evidence of human causation.

So funny watching you slithering around, avoiding producing any…

Refusal to recognise that El Ninos are the only cause of warming, and not being able to produce anything else….

That is El Nino DENIALISM.

So no, I have you pegged exactly. You are LYING to yourself.

Reply to  bnice2000
September 27, 2024 6:43 pm

Please get it into your childish brain that I have no interest in providing any evidence to a troll like you, who just rejects any evidence out of hand. My argument here and in most of what I post is independent of
causation. The fact that USCRN shows stronger warming than ClimDiv, is correct regardless of what caused that warming.

If you explanations for how increased CO2 can cause warming, then I expect there are far better sources than I – but of course you don;pt really want to see any evidence becasue that would upset your religious like belief that only El Niño’s cause warming. I’ve shown my own simple evidence that there exists a correlation between temperature and CO2, and that this can be enhanced by factoring ENSO conditions. You of course rant about how you refuse to accept it as evidence.

El Niños are not the only cause of warming – you can call me names if it makes you feel happy (and risk having your comments deleted, if the moderators follow the WUWT policy*). But you have yet to show any actual evidence that El Niños produce any long term warming, let alone that they are the only cause of warming.

*

name-calling such as “denialist,” “denier,” and other detritus that add nothing to further the discussion may get deleted.

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 8:25 pm

As expected… still no evidence of human causation.

Thank you for confirming that. 🙂

Climdiv actually states that they use the pristine rural data to, ie USCRN remove urban bias on a regional basis

Climdiv started a bit higher and is now the same trend as they have honed in their adjustment routines.

Sorry if the concept is too hard for you to grasp.

There is no significant difference between the two trend, especially since they have their urban adjustments sorted out

… in fact since the from 2017 to just before the 2023 El Nino, Climdiv has a slightly smaller COOLING trend than USCRN.

You are incapable of showing any warming in UAH that is NOT caused by El Nino events… and you know that.

ClimDiv-minus-USCRN
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
September 27, 2024 2:23 pm

So the uncertainty is greater than the trend.

Yes, that’s why it’s not statistically significant.

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 2:39 pm

ie.. meaningless. !

Reply to  bnice2000
September 27, 2024 4:26 pm

Nope, just not quite statistically significant.

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 5:05 pm

NO.. totally meaningless.

Unless you are prepared to either.

a)… show evidence of human causation… or

b)… admit that the warming is produced by El Nino events.

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 3:46 pm

So you are basically confirming that this has nothing to do with CO2 since the primary warming is in winter, at night and at the poles. I.e., places that have minimal humidity.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 4:07 pm

maybe true that heat rises, but Bellman’s stuff floats (until it swirls down)

Reply to  Bellman
September 27, 2024 4:18 pm

As you will see below, from 1940 to 1980 we were headed into an ice age. Fortunately we were saved by global warming.

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strativarius
September 27, 2024 6:50 am

The climate Doppler effect: as the ever increasing alarmism passes you by it goes flat…

September 27, 2024 7:11 am

Profoundly meaningful article!

Its the coldest places on the planet during the coldest times of year that are warming the most.
Also, the driest places.
The absorption bands of CO2 are already saturated by H2O in the warmest, humid places.

We should note actually cooling in the US Cornbelt during the growing season as a result of an agricultural micro climate established from the tightly packed rows of corn and resulting huge increase in evapotranspiration that recirculates moisture for more daytime clouds and rain.
The additional photosynthesis converts heat energy from the sun into chemical energy stored in the plants, along with an uptake of CO2 in the air that gets stored as carbon in the plants.

Reply to  Mike Maguire
September 27, 2024 8:35 am

And the corn is fed to the cows and they emit methane which is a gizzilio time more powerful than CO2 and if the corn is turned into ethanol it comes out our tail pies as CO2. . . .Oh my God! ! We’re all gonna roast to death!

Reply to  Steve Case
September 27, 2024 9:01 am

Doesn’t methane have a very short residing time in the atmosphere? I read somewhere that it was only around nine years.

Reply to  Matthew Bergin
September 27, 2024 10:35 am

Doesn’t matter, in IPCC’s AR1,AR2, AR3, AR4, Ar5, & AR6 it’s 50, 60, 50, 72, 86 & 83 times more powerful at trapping heat than CO2. You need to be very worried about that!

And don’t start asking nosey questions about how that translates into global temperature. Those GWP numbers is all you need to know. Now go spread the word!

Reply to  Steve Case
September 27, 2024 1:50 pm

Since the concentration of methane in the air is only 1.926 ppmv, it can cause only a very small amount global warming.

The reason the concentration of methane in air is so low is due to its combustion initiated by discharges of lightning. There are thousands of lightning discharges everyday, especially in the tropics.

Methane is slightly soluble in water. A liter of ice cold water can contain about 35 mls of methane. That is not very much, but the oceans cover 70% of the earth surface.

We really don’t have to worry about methane.

Reply to  Harold Pierce
September 27, 2024 3:28 pm

What we have to worry about is what alarmists tell us we have to worry about.

That used to be runaway global warming.

Times have changed and with the advent of satellite measurements, they no longer tell us to to worry about that. Now, it’s climate change, which is actually weather change because climate is 30 years of weather in a given area.

So we have to take “action” to prevent weather change. It’s similar to taking action to prevent the sky from falling, which requires lots of worrying first.

Reply to  Steve Case
September 27, 2024 6:27 pm

Per molecule. But a lot fewer CH4 molecules floating around.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Mike Maguire
September 27, 2024 9:16 am

The corn plant leaves shade the soil so the heat sink energy is reduced resulting in cooler night time temperatures.

The air above the leaves is warmer during the day due to the reflection of heat by the leaves.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
September 27, 2024 1:06 pm

Thanks, Sparta!
Actually, its the complete opposite of that.
Dew points in dense corn fields are often 5+ Deg. F higher than surrounding areas. An acre of tightly packed corn plants can add up to 4,000 gallons of H2O to the atmosphere/day.

  1. Moist air has a higher heat capacity compared to dry air. So it warms up slower during the day(lower maximum temps) and also cools slower at night(higher minimum temps). That’s why deserts have the greatest diurnal temperature spreads on the planet and very humid places have the least diurnal temperature spreads from this principle.If an air mass has a dew point of 75+ Deg. F for instance and has ideal radiational cooling at night, the temperature can fall until it hits the dew point, then stabilize. If everything is the same and the dew point is 65. Deg. F, the temperature can fall into the 60’s before stabilizing. The reverse is true the next day with full sunshine heating the drier air up much faster than the more humid aid.
  2. Additionally, adding moisture to the lowest level also changes the lapse rate. Rising parcels will hit their lifting condensation level sooner/lower when they have higher dew points. Cumulus clouds form earlier in the day and more of them to block the sun. Thunderstorms develop sooner and more frequently. Rain amounts are greater because there is additional moisture that can be squeezed out.
  3. We have the data to show conclusively, that recent decades in the Midwest/Cornbelt have had growing season cooling during the day and warming at night because of this impact.

Here are some posts that I provided with the evidence of this along with a discussion of the dynamics/impacts:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99132/#99135

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99132/#99136

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99132/#99137

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99132/#99139

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99132/#99140

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98328/#98345

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98328/#98346

Screenshot-2024-09-27-at-14-36-08-5-Dry-adiabatic-lapse-rate-applies-till-level-of-condensation-above.-Download-Scientific-Diagram
Reply to  Mike Maguire
September 27, 2024 6:32 pm

Nice. An hypothesis with a mechanism, backed by real science. Well done.

John Hultquist
September 27, 2024 7:57 am

“… media reports of record high temperatures in cities must be considered suspect, …”
Knowing what is meant does not make the statement correct. A person living near the corner of 3rd and C Street experiences a temperature that, if properly reported, is not suspect. It is what it is.
The problem is using such numbers to disparage CO2.

KevinM
Reply to  John Hultquist
September 27, 2024 9:02 am

Yes. If you happen to be standing in Phoenix UHI while you think about how UHI affects Phoenix temperatures then it still sucks.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  John Hultquist
September 27, 2024 9:17 am

Correct.

UHI is real. The people living in a UHI are experiencing hotter weather.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
September 27, 2024 7:58 am

UHI = man’s only measurable addition to climate.

KevinM
September 27, 2024 8:50 am

Does the chart of weather fatalities for 2023 use a population count comparing 30 years of data but not correct for population growth? Holy crap I hope not, that’s awful.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  KevinM
September 27, 2024 9:18 am

Yes. The data should be normalized to the actual populations.

strativarius
September 27, 2024 8:52 am

Story Tip

Three Just Stop Oil supporters have thrown soup over two of Vincent van Gogh’s paintings just hours after fellow activists were jailed for doing the same thing to his famous Sunflowers masterpiece.
Police were called and three people have been arrested.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13899369/Just-Stop-Oil-protest-jailed-soup-Vincent-Van-Goghs-Sunflowers.html

The first lot got 2 years.

Reply to  strativarius
September 27, 2024 9:59 am

should be at hard labor- like an old fashioned chain gang in Alabama!

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  strativarius
September 27, 2024 10:02 am

Do they ignore the basic truth that oil was needed for that soup to be in their hands?

One has to wonder how much oil they are wearing and how much oil was consumed getting the to the supermarket and the gallery.

Hypocrites.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
September 27, 2024 12:06 pm

Yes if they really wanted to do without oil they would be running around naked. Since none of them know how to mechanically make yarn or what to do with it after it is made.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
September 27, 2024 6:34 pm

Not very bright ones.

Mr.
Reply to  strativarius
September 27, 2024 10:59 am

Those first 2 young women sentenced to 2 years prison will rue the day they became offerings to the “women” inmates doing time for much more serious crimes.

What do they call them in prison system – “fresh fish”?

Reply to  Mr.
September 27, 2024 12:08 pm

Or even worse a transgender inmate.😱

Reply to  Matthew Bergin
September 27, 2024 1:24 pm

Male->female trans can get into women’s prisons..

I very much doubt that female->male trans would want to go to a men’s prison.

Reply to  bnice2000
September 27, 2024 1:30 pm

I would agree but there are a couple of women from my distant past that might. I will tell no tales. 😉😊

Reply to  strativarius
September 27, 2024 1:59 pm

I got this question for these ladies: What fuel do you propose for firetrucks? The answer is 200 proof alcohol made by the Scots!

Reply to  Harold Pierce
September 27, 2024 2:41 pm

No Harold.. That 200 proof is for the fire-fighters. !! 😉

Reply to  strativarius
September 27, 2024 2:54 pm

2 years is obviously an incentive rather than a deterrent.

Triple it, at least.

Michael S. Kelly
September 27, 2024 9:09 pm

Weather reports have become “weather porn” here in the District (of Columbia)/Maryland/Virginia area (aka “the DMV” – how appropriate). All this year, radio weather forecasts would give a high temperature prediction, but add to it that “it will feel like” some higher temperature. Last week, though, the funniest conservative radio talk show host, Chris Plante, lampooned them. He started by saying how concerned he was by the day’s weather forecast: the Washington Post had predicted a high for the day of 73 F…but it would feel like 74 F. He said he would be monitoring this all day, and hoped that the temperature would really feel more like 73.25 degrees, or maybe 73.5 degrees. It was pretty hilarious. He’s on from 9:00 to 12:00 Eastern on WMAL, and if you are in the mood to laugh, tune him in.