From the “we’ve heard it all before” department and the Dartmouth College Division of Modeled Unverifiable Predictions, comes this ho-hum scare story.
Dartmouth-led study compiles 16 models for refined projection of ice loss up to 2300
A Dartmouth-led study by more than 50 climate scientists worldwide provides the first clear projection of how carbon emissions may drive the loss of a large portion of Antarctica’s ice sheet over the next 300 years.
The future of Antarctica’s glaciers after 2100 becomes uncertain when looking at existing ice-sheet models individually, the researchers report in the journal Earth’s Future. They combined data from 16 ice-sheet models and found that, collectively, the projections agree that ice loss from Antarctica will increase, but gradually, through the 21st century, even under current carbon emissions.
But that consistency falls off a cliff after 2100, the researchers found. The models predict that under current emissions, ice in most of Antarctica’s western basins begins to retreat rapidly. By 2200, the melting glaciers could increase global sea levels by as much as 5.5 feet. Some of the team’s numerical experiments projected a near-total collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet by 2300.
“When you talk to policymakers and stakeholders about sea-level rise, they mostly focus on what will happen up to 2100. There are very few studies beyond that,” says Hélène Seroussi, the study’s first author and an associate professor in Dartmouth’s Thayer School of Engineering.
“Our study provides the longer-term projections that have been lacking,” she says. “The results show that beyond 2100, the long-term impact for the regions most susceptible to sea-level rise become amplified.”
The researchers modeled how Antarctica’s ice sheet would fare under both high- and low-emission scenarios through 2300, says Mathieu Morlighem, a Dartmouth professor of earth sciences and a coauthor on the study. Dartmouth Engineering alumnus Jake Twarog ’24 also is a coauthor of the study and contributed as an undergraduate.
“While current carbon emissions have only a modest impact on model projections for this century, the difference between how high- and low-emission scenarios contribute to sea-level rise grows sharply after 2100,” Morlighem says. “These results confirm that it is critical to cut carbon emissions now to protect future generations.”
The timing of when Antarctica’s glaciers would start retreating varied with the ice-flow model the researchers used, Seroussi says. But the speed with which large retreats occurred once a rapid loss of ice began was consistent among the models.
“All the models agree that once these large changes are initiated, nothing can stop them or slow them down. Several basins in West Antarctica could experience a complete collapse before 2200,” Seroussi says. “The exact timing of such collapses remains unknown and depends on future greenhouse gas emissions, so we need to respond quickly enough to reduce emissions before the major basins are lost.”
The study could lead to further collaborative models that scientists can use to understand and resolve disparities in projections for regions with significant modeling uncertainties, or for the Greenland ice sheet, Seroussi says. Research and computing resources can then be focused on investigating outcomes that those multiple models predict as most likely.
“We’re learning from the community of scientists what is going to happen,” Seroussi says. “This collaboration means we have a better, more robust assessment of the uncertainty, and we can see where our models agree and where they disagree so that we know where to focus our future research.”
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The paper:
Earth’s Future, DOI 10.1029/2024EF004561
Crystal balls in series. The guys need to get real jobs.
And were is the possible return to an ice age in the model? We are over due for one and if they can’t predict and include that in the model, the model is useless.
Yes, we’ve heard it all before. But as time passes, new generations keep growing up, and they need to be frightened too. It’s not for us old-timers, the fear mongering is for the young.
It’s still GIGO and never changes.
How amusing. They make a prediction that will not take place until long after they are all dead. By which time, no one will care that they are all egregious liars.
“Combined data from 16 ice sheet models” says it all. Models do NOT produce data, except in climate science.
It does indeed.
Some real data. We know the Eemian was warmer than the Holocene, because the Eemian sea level highstand was about 2 meters higher than the Holocene. And we know that WAIS did not disappear, because the Andrill ocean bottom coring program firmly established that the Ross ice shelf did not disappear.
So this 50 climate scientist paper based on ‘model data’ is just wrong.
There you go using *reality* to debunk models again. 😆😅🤣😂
I used to be it IT. We made most of our money from being commissioned to model many things. The key to this was in the way that client acceptance was agreed (and therefore the contract price was paid. The mechanism was for the client – not we – to set out a raft of tests and to agree the necessary answers that the model was to produce.
All fine of course but unless those tests (devised by the client) were 100% representative of the problem and the then known requirements NOTHING outside those parameters was accepted. Yet today we now have very limited modelling which is used for forecasting.
THAT is what is wrong with science today.
Not science. Of course “they” want us to believe it is science. Scientology is more apt.
All models agree, well they would wouldn’t they.
All models are wrong, some are useful.
All climate models are wrong .. and have absolutely ZERO use except mindless propaganda.
The opposite of some is most. So to rephrase George Box’s statement: “All models are wrong, but most are useless.”
I wonder…. does Twiggy agree?
;-))
This is 2024. 2300 is 300 years away.
What was happening in 1724?
Did Man successfully adapt?
We adapted for a while. Now we are returning to the caves and skins and stone tools.
My God! Did they have to wait this long to inform us of such a catastrophe. How can the authorities expect us to get ready for such eventualities in only 276 years?
For all the idiots/activists posing as “scientists” know, we’ll be entering the next glaciation by the time their stupid model runs hit their imaginary “tipping points.”
Tipping point is the modern equivalent of butterfly wings in chaos theory.
Now the Antarctica polar bears will all drown. What’s that you say? No polar bears in Antarctica?
Well see what I mean it already killed them all. / sarc (in case it wasn’t obvious)
I like it when they show penguins in the Arctic. Apparently Walter Lantz never knew that polar bears and penguins don’t live side-by-side.
I can’t see how playing around with different models can be considered a study and I damn sure wouldn’t pay someone to do it. This is more of the same claptrap we have heard ad nauseam from these people it is meaningless. Whoever authorized the study(?) should be investigated and whoever paid for it should be investigated. This is a pure waste of my money.
The acronym MUP for this sort of musings by 50 ‘climate scientists’ sums it up quite well. It also has a Harry Potter quality to it which suggests fantastic tales. MUPs: the foundation of climate ‘science’.
Where does the heat come from to make this happen? The mass of the Antarctic ice sheet is 5 times that of the atmosphere; the specific heat capacity is twice; so the thermal mass is about 10 times. So, if we extracted all the heat from the atmosphere that has caused its temperature to rise by a degree or so in 170 years and somehow put it into the ice sheet, its temperature would go up by 0.1degC, from -53degC to -53.9. Assuming that 95% of the greenhouse heat is in the oceans, we could multiply this by 20. So, if we extract all the heat from the atmosphere and oceans and pour it into the Antarctic ice sheet, it would go from -53degC to -51. We would need to find 25 times more heat from somewhere to get it to 0degC and then the real work begins with a latent heat of 334 to overcome. We are only talking about the western part of the ice sheet (what is the mass of that?), of course, but the numbers just seem astronomic. How I do go on!
You, again, are confusing people with the facts.
;-))
These are the same fanatics whose “models” can’t accurately predict weather two days in advance. They should all be rounded up, stationed permanently on the western ice sheet, and instructed to make daily actual measurements of ice volume, ad infinitum. However, we can’t allow them to use any fuels or electricity, because that may exacerbate “global warming” and skew their results. We’ll expect a full report somewhere around 2300 AD.
Also no clothing made with oil in any quantity.
I’m just going to say it: GIGO