No, Mainstream Media, Climate Change Didn’t Cause a ‘Landslide’ and ‘Mega-Tsunami’

NPR-landslide

On September 13th, National Public Radio (NPR) published an article, titled “A landslide linked to climate change ‘rang’ the Earth for 9 days, researchers say. Other media outlets chimed in with headlines similar to the The Guardian’s, “Entire Earth vibrated for nine days after climate-triggered mega-tsunami.” While the part about seismic activity being detected worldwide for 9 days is true, the attempt to link the landslide to climate change is false and easily refuted by anyone who checks history.

“A landslide and mega-tsunami in Greenland in September 2023, triggered by the climate crisis, caused the entire Earth to vibrate for nine days, a scientific investigation has found,” The Guardian wrote.

While NPR said:

The signal was traced to a massive avalanche along the Dickson fjord in eastern Greenland, triggered by glacial melting due to climate change, according to research that Svennevig and nearly 70 co-authors published in the journal Science.

Some 1.2 kilometers (3/4 of a mile) above the remote fjord, a mountaintop collapsed, driving more than 25 million cubic meters of rock and ice into the water. The volume of material was enough to fill 10,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools, the researchers say.

The tsunami in question was towering: 200 meters — 656 feet — in height, according to the researchers. Because the wave’s energy was trapped in a rocky fjord, the water sloshed back and forth in a phenomenon called a seiche — and the scientists traced the seismic signal that was detected on sensors from the Arctic to Antarctica to that pattern.

Facts rebut the scientists’ assertion that the avalanche was tied to climate change, for example:

  1. Glaciers, melt, calve, and make local tsunamis. It’s what they do and have been doing for millennia. Same for rockslides. Nothing new here. No climate change is needed.
  2. Seismic waves from glacier calving are nothing new, in fact in Antarctica they happen “all the time” according to the University of Leeds. At best, this is a novelty because the signal lasted nine days.
  3. The press release from the University of San Diego that sparked this story and many others, was embellished to play up the drama and alarm and play down the science. Linking the event to climate change in the press release is highly misleading, especially since no mechanism was proposed other than glacier melting, which happens every summer. They also made use of the phrase “mega-tsunami” for dramatic effect.
  4. The “mega-Tsunami” and seiche (with continued seismic waves) only occurred because the narrow fiord meant the kinetic energy had no place to go. If it were calving to the open ocean, it would have just been another normal blip on the seismic radar.
  5. And finally, the most important point, mega-tsunamis are nothing new. They have occurred throughout recorded history. Wikipedia lists a number of examples:

Examples of modern mega-tsunamis include the one associated with the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa (volcanic eruption), the 1958 Lituya Bay megatsunami (a landslide which caused an initial wave of 524 metres (1,719 ft)), and the Vajont Dam landslide (caused by human activity destabilizing sides of valley). Prehistoric examples include the Storegga Slide (landslide), and the ChicxulubChesapeake Bay, and Eltanin meteor impacts.

Earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are the most common causes of mega-tsunamis triggered by landslides. Of course, receding ice and snow that no longer supports a rock face can also cause a landslide, as was the case here. But how can the researchers be sure that climate change is to blame? Normal short time-scale weather events can also cause landslides. The United States Geological Survey lists these common causes for landslides:

Landslides can be initiated in slopes already on the verge of movement by rainfall, snowmelt, changes in water level, stream erosion, changes in ground water, earthquakes, volcanic activity, disturbance by human activities, or any combination of these factors.

Climate change isn’t listed.

It isn’t listed, because there’s no connection to landslides whatsoever. In the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) most recent scientific assessment they report finding no emerging signal linking climate change to landslides, nor do they anticipate any emergence in the future.

Below is Table 12.12 from Page 90 – Chapter 12 of the UN IPCC Sixth Assessment Report. Emergence of Climate Impact Drivers (CIDs) in time periods. The color corresponds to the confidence of the region with the highest confidence: white colors indicate where evidence of a climate change signal is lacking or the signal is not present, leading to overall low confidence of an emerging signal.

The scientists’ assertion that the recent landslide in Greenland was caused by climate change has no evidence supporting it.

Sadly, the mainstream media pounced on this highly embellished press release because it contained exciting claims that fit the climate catastrophe narrative that they seem wedded to, facts be damned. In their rush to publication, they didn’t perform due diligence to determine if the climate connection claim had any merit, they just regurgitated the claims as if they were fact.

Such is the sad state of our mainstream media today.

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Giving_Cat
September 18, 2024 2:07 pm

Holding my breath for “Record Crop Yields Due to Climate Change” or similar.

Reply to  Giving_Cat
September 18, 2024 2:15 pm

Dude, you have to EXHALE for the record crop yields.

Every little bit of extra CO2 helps!

September 18, 2024 2:10 pm

Arguing with Climatistas is pointless. If they “feel” like something is true, it’s dogma. Nothing will shake them from that.
If they could think rationally, they would not believe such tripe.

Rud Istvan
September 18, 2024 2:19 pm

As pointed out previously, this peer reviewed ‘climate science’ paper had 68 authors from 41 institutions!!!
Shows how far and how deep academic climate rot has spread.

Mr.
Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 18, 2024 2:43 pm

Well, where else / how else are “climate scientists” gonna get a paycheck from?

Reply to  Mr.
September 18, 2024 4:49 pm

About 35 years ago, Rustum Roy, a material scientist at Penn. State Univ., who was highly critical of the US government funding programs for academic research, coined the phrase “welfare queens in white coats” for scientists receiving government grant money.

Since 70% of the earth’s surface is covered with water, the “welfare queens” should have figured out by now that H2O is the only greenhouse gas of importance and that since CO2 is a minor trace greenhouse gas, it can’t cause only a very small amount of any global warming.

Reply to  Mr.
September 19, 2024 3:46 am

Right, they’d have to get a real job.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 18, 2024 2:54 pm

To be fair, I suspect that most are named just because they provided data from widespread seismic stations.

OweninGA
Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 18, 2024 5:33 pm

Wasn’t it Willis Eisenbach who postulated that the quality of a paper was inversely related to the number of authors?

I think this may be a data point in support of such a theory.

Reply to  OweninGA
September 19, 2024 4:58 pm

Yup.

September 18, 2024 2:51 pm

“Glaciers melt, calve and cause tsunamis”

Is the melting not caused by rising temperatures aka climate change?.

Editor
Reply to  Burl Henry
September 18, 2024 3:25 pm

Summer, as in “every summer”.

Reply to  Burl Henry
September 18, 2024 3:56 pm

Melting?
Only this time and only from “melting”?
As someone pointed out in this thread (maybe later than this comment) as more ice and snow build “upstream” of a glacier, The weight will shove it all “downstream” faster.
Once that glacier hits water, with no ground to support it, chunks of the ice break off since it has no more ground support.
When have such things not happened?
Landslides? How does “temperature” (aka “Climate Change”) cause a landslide?
WHEN have they never happened before?
This was no more than an event, unusual in only recent times, that the label “Climate Change” has been slapped on.
It’s all happened before.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 19, 2024 8:55 am

Oh, but, but. but, they are claiming that mud slides in California are due to climate change.

So, it must <./sarc> be true!

Reply to  Gunga Din
September 19, 2024 5:55 pm

Gunga Din:

Temperatures are now higher than they have been since the MWP, when glaciers melted and Greenland was farmed.

Melt water from glaciers and their calves in the north could lead to Heinrich and Dansgaard-Oeschger Events, which are caused by the less dense freshwater over-riding the more saline ocean water, and changing the thermohaline circulation, shutting down the Gulf Stream. (I am quoting). This would be a disaster, were it to happen. At least 6 such events have been identified, in the past

Duane
Reply to  Burl Henry
September 18, 2024 5:43 pm

The downstream ends of all glaciers melt at least a little whenever the atmospheric temperature exceeds freezing and/or the warming of exposed glacial till raises ice temperature to the freezing point due to solar irradiation and the albedo effect of exposed glacial till.

Calving glaciers have nothing to do with ice temperature and any melting of the toes of glaciers; that phenomenon is driven solely by gravity and the relative slopes of the land surface and the upstream ice surface. The latter of which factors is driven by increased (not decreased) ice accumulation upstream of the discharge point at the edge of the sea.

David A
Reply to  Duane
September 18, 2024 7:35 pm

The latter of which factors is driven by increased (not decreased) ice accumulation upstream of the discharge point at the edge of the sea.”
Emphasised for Burl.

Reply to  Burl Henry
September 18, 2024 9:54 pm

Is the melting not caused by rising temperatures aka climate change?.

Even if rising temperatures cause the melting, there is no empirical proof that CO2 caused the melting.

Reply to  Redge
September 19, 2024 3:56 pm

Redge;

i agree, although I never said that it did.

Reply to  Burl Henry
September 18, 2024 11:19 pm

Burl
Temperature rises and falls as a part of natural climate change.
I assume that is what you are referring to.
If you have any supporting evidence for any specific contribution from other mechanism, please supply the data.

Reply to  Ozonebust
September 19, 2024 4:41 pm

Ozonebust:

“Scientific Proof that CO2 does NOT cause global warming”

https://wjarr.com/sites/default/files/WJARR-2024-0884.pdf

Bob
September 18, 2024 2:55 pm

While I have no respect for the mainstream media especially the Guardian and PBS I blame the people responsible for the press release, sounds like it was the University of San Diego. Unfortunately the press are given a lot of leeway and use little responsibly in their reporting. Not to much we can do about it. Universities on the other hand are expected to be exact in their dealings with the public. That isn’t happening today. The university systems should be made to pay a high price for sloppy indifference to the truth.

OweninGA
Reply to  Bob
September 18, 2024 5:28 pm

Press releases are written by Journalism majors working in the University PR department. Their remit is to “sex up” any papers written at the institution to get the donors hot and bothered to pry those checkbooks out for some of those sweet, sweet greenbacks. Even more conservative schools have a problem with it since the PR people are liberal arts majors who wouldn’t know a datapoint if it smacked them upside the head.

Bob
Reply to  OweninGA
September 18, 2024 9:03 pm

I’m sure you are right however I still think the University should be held responsible. The PR people work for the University.

September 18, 2024 3:18 pm

OK. The world was affected by this landslide for 9 days.

Was it caused by climate change? YES!
The Ice Age ended and the glaciers are now receding. This is climate change.
It’s natural.

Was it newsworthy? No.
It was undetectable except with the world’s most advanced instrumentation.

Meanwhile, actual problems are noticeable – unavoidable – by everyone.
Unfortunately.

Reply to  MCourtney
September 18, 2024 5:09 pm

“Was it caused by climate change? YES!
The Ice Age ended and the glaciers are now receding. This is climate change.
It’s natural.”

There’s a distinction between ‘result’ and ’cause’. Climate Change is a ‘result’ or ‘effect’, triggered by many interconnected causes.

David A
Reply to  Vincent
September 18, 2024 7:38 pm

Indeed, what climate changed, and how did it change, and when did it change to cause this common event.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Vincent
September 19, 2024 10:19 am

Climate change is a constant process, always ongoing, always has. It’s not suddenly “triggered” by anything.

Duane
Reply to  MCourtney
September 18, 2024 5:49 pm

Actually, even during all of the glaciation events and inter-glaciation events there was always calving of the downstream toes of glaciers that reached the sea. The phenomenon of calving isn’t driven by ice temperatures or melting but by gravity as all ice, like liquid water, flows downhill.

Reply to  MCourtney
September 18, 2024 6:33 pm

“Was it caused by climate change? YES!”

Bollocks !!

“Climate change”, according to IPCC refers to human caused warming by CO2.

So…… BOLLOCKS !!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  MCourtney
September 18, 2024 7:08 pm

If they’re all receding, why are the calving?

Reply to  MCourtney
September 19, 2024 8:47 am

* Is this particular glacier receding?

* Do glaciers that are increasing in mass flow slower or faster?

* Do glacers that increasing in mass calve?

Do flowing glaciers erode their channels?

Does erosion adjacent to, or below, mountain tops increase or decrease the chance of a landslide?

(If anyone answers any of the above with, “I can’t answer, I am not a climate scientist”, they may well be a lying Katanji.)

September 18, 2024 4:24 pm

Story Tip

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientific-american-makes-presidential-endorsement-135754693.html

Scientific American makes presidential endorsement for only the second time in its 179-year history

Myriam Page

Wed, September 18, 2024 at 4:54 AM CDT

A top science magazine has waded into the political sphere after making a presidential endorsement, only the second in its 179-year history.

“Vote for Kamala Harris to Support Science, Health and the Environment,” read the headline in Scientific American on Monday, announcing the publication’s official support for the Democratic presidential candidate.

Harris is Scientific American’s second presidential endorsement in its history, after the magazine backed President Joe Biden during the 2020 election.

“The US faces two futures,” the editors wrote, pushing one candidate who “offers the country better prospects, relying on science, solid evidence and the willingness to learn from experience.”

They continued: “In the other future, the new president endangers public health and safety and rejects evidence, preferring instead nonsensical conspiracy fantasies.”

end excerpt

Scientific American is a propaganda rag. This is proof.

OweninGA
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 18, 2024 5:31 pm

It stopped reporting science decades ago. It might as well go all-in on politics, as that is the only science they have left. (and that bar for entry is very low indeed!!)

Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 19, 2024 3:53 am

“Science, Health and the Environment”

A president has a lot of duties- far more than those 3 topics. Like, dealing with a troubled world. They can hire flunkies to deal with Science, Health and the Environment.

September 18, 2024 7:07 pm

the attempt to link the landslide to climate change is false and easily refuted by anyone who checks history.

mayb but you didnt refute it!

  1. an attempt to LINK the collapse of a glacier to climat change doesnt refer to history

sure glaciers collapsed before. this tells you NOTHING. about the myriad of causes linked
to the current case.

you cannot refute a casual case that has NEVER been argued or made.

.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 18, 2024 8:16 pm

Another mindless anti-science load of incoherent, gibberish word salad from mosh.

WTF is he even talking about !!

There is no evidence linking this totally natural calving to “climate change”…. period.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 19, 2024 10:25 am

I’ll explain it like you’re 3 year old, since that’s what your post looks like.

Hi little Steven! Climate changes all the time. It has since the Earth was formed a long long long long time ago. Sometimes those changes are small, sometimes they’re big. Some people think that humans (that’s people) are causing dangerous climate change, but they really don’t know. They just like to scare people for…reasons.

So, don’t be scared, little Steven! Unless someone can show evidence to the contrary, we have to assume this was all natural.

UK-Weather Lass
September 18, 2024 8:57 pm

It’s far too easy to conflate changes in weather with changes in climate when the former is a forever observed phenomena and the latter an analysis of a whole host of examples, perfectly or imperfectly selected, sensible or stupid, collated by one or more persons for whatever reason they claim.

Attributing blame in this instance is a little like saying fracking in Lancashire causes earthquakes in Preston. Indeed fracking may cause very tiny tremors locally but would anyone really be aware of them?

That is the question and unfortunately scale has ceased to matter when it comes to climate change and doing so called green stuff as in the example of whales suffering from mega sized wind turbine vibrations but humans apparently not. .

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  UK-Weather Lass
September 19, 2024 8:59 am

Ooooo…. The butterfly effect!

Of course! This </sarc> explains everything!

Clarky of Oz
September 18, 2024 9:22 pm

Curse these damned glaciers. They keep doing what glaciers do, flowing downhill and breaking off pieces. If only there were a few less CO2 molecules around, that mass of ice might just go back up the mountains where it belongs.

September 19, 2024 2:46 am

Article says:”…the 1958 Lituya Bay megatsunami (a landslide which caused an initial wave of 524 metres (1,719 ft)),…”

A documentary on mega tsunamis interviewed a fisherman who happened to be anchored in the bay with his son. His 400+ feet of anchor chain was run out as the boat rose.

The cause was a landslide at the head of the bay. 

Reply to  mkelly
September 19, 2024 4:37 pm

Ulrich, the fisherman said the wave was not1800feet high, the water splashed that high.

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