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So much ignorance in one package.
Matt Kean’s first speech since appointment as Climate Change chair
Incoming climate change tsar Matt Kean has called on the clean energy industry to take up the fight to the ‘climate change denialists’.
Jessica Wang
July 16, 2024 – 4:29PMFormer NSW Liberal minister Matt Kean has lashed climate change denialists and pro-coal “propaganda”, calling on the industry to “put your mouth where your money is” in his first public speech as the next climate change tsar.
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“While many here in this room and in this industry remain silent and hopeful, the opponents of the transition are loud and determined,” he told the audience in Sydney.
“It is time for many of you in this room to put your mouth where your money is. The facts, the benefits and the positive outcomes are roaring outside.
“It’s time for you to enter the debate and argue for Australia’s interests, argue for Australia.”
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“We try and muscle our way into the forefront of global competition … but we will quickly lose our position in the queue if the capital is sitting idle, waiting endlessly for decision by planning authorities,” he said.
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Read more: https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/matt-keans-first-speech-since-appointment-as-climate-change-chair/news-story/5f275d86ff6508d52b6b307bac19c53d
From The Guardian;
Matt Kean tells clean energy industry to speak out against vested interests ‘undermining the transition’
Former NSW Liberal minister calls on renewables sector to ‘put your mouth where your money is’ in first speech as incoming Climate Change Authority chair
Peter Hannam Economics correspondentTue 16 Jul 2024 14.11 AEST
The incoming Climate Change Authority chair Matt Kean has issued a call to arms for the clean energy industry to “enter the arena” and push back against vested interests seeking to erode public confidence in renewable energy.
Kean, a former energy minister in New South Wales and Liberal MP for another three weeks, told the Australian Clean Energy Summit 2024 in Sydney the industry had the science and the financial heft to counter the “propaganda” of vested fossil fuel interests.
“Those whose interest is maintaining the status quo and their own super profits and self-interest at the expense of Australian families and the national interest are hard at work undermining the transition,” Kean told the event in his first major speech since being appointed authority head by the Albanese government last month.
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“While many here remain silent and hopeful, they are loud and determined,” Kean said, according to a copy of speech. “It is time for many of you in this room to put your mouth where your money is.”
“The facts, the benefits, and the positive outcomes are on your side,” he said. “It’s time for you to enter the debate and argue for Australia.”
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“Too many projects are being forced to run a tortuous path to approval, bouncing between federal and state and sometimes local approval regimes … dragging on for years, when time is of the essence,” Kean said.
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jul/16/matt-kean-clean-energy-climate-change-authority-renewable-energy?CMP=twt_a-environment_b-gdneco
Someone should explain “social license” to the new Climate Change Authority chairman Matt Kean.
From the AEMO Appendix to the 2024 Integrated System Plan for the National Electricity Market
… As part of the development of this infrastructure, the energy industry will need to establish and maintain social licence in local communities that are being asked to host new generation, storage, and transmission.
Establishing social licence for infrastructure development requires intentional and ongoing relationship building between organisations and communities to foster acceptance and trust. Communities also have their own intrinsic social licence ‘commitments’ to and with each other (for example, the right for farmers to farm, rural communities to function harmoniously, and Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people to practice culture) which must be considered. Community acceptance of projects is fostered when organisations prioritise trust and deliver overall positive impact and is granted or withdrawn by the community in line with their social, cultural, and economic conditions …
Read more: https://aemo.com.au/-/media/files/major-publications/isp/2024/appendices/a8-social-licence.pdf?la=en
The AEMO does a good job of explaining what social license is, but perhaps they should have made more effort to explain why social license is so important.
The reason social license is important is the only thing preventing metal thieves from ravaging Australia’s electricity infrastructure like they do in South Africa, is rural people in Australia feel enough sense of community to pick up the phone and call the police when they see metal thieves attacking power pylons.
No affordable regime of patrols or security systems can possibly keep hundreds of miles of power lines and other sensitive energy infrastructure safe from thieves, without the wholehearted cooperation of locals.
If Matt Keen rams through his fast track planning approvals, brushing aside objections from locals, rural folk in Australia might switch from calling the police to offering metal thieves coffee and refreshments as they work.
But I doubt Matt Kean will listen to anyone offering this kind of advice. Kean seems like the kind of climate change authority chairman who is destined to learn things the hard way.
MP Keith Pitt’s response to Matt Kean’s speech: “Matt Kean is one of the problems, not the solution”.
WUWT does not advocate metal theft or lawbreaking, our preferred resolution to standoffs like this is to promote public support for the cancellation of all Net Zero and climate policies, and the abolition of all climate change ministries, departments and authorities.
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I wonder what efforts Matt Kean has made to poll Australians about their support for higher eco-levies, general living costs and willingness to make major lifestyle changes to fight climate change. Or maybe he already knows the sentiment but insists on shoving these down their throats because he, like the rest of the enviro-alarmists knows what’s best for the public.
I wonder what effort Matt Kean has made to actually read and understand the science regarding how or if CO2 affects the temperature of the planet.
Obviously misinformation.
Apparently he understands quite a bit better than the Science-denying ignoramuses on this website.
The cost is astronomical, about $US1 million per household.
Most households would rather have a million extra in the bank and a degree or two of warming.
Bloomberg estimates $US200 trillion to maybe stop warming by 2050.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-07-05/-200-trillion-is-needed-to-stop-global-warming-that-s-a-bargain
Figuring there are 2 billion household and 90 percent of the can’t afford anything additional that is $1 million per household.
Most people outside of the Tropics spend around 95 percent of their time indoors or in some type of transportation anyway.
The cost of adapting to , and damages caused by climate change, will make your numbers look like chump change.
Evidence please, not modelling with GIGO. I’ll take my chances. Where I live people are dying from the cold at the moment because they cannot afford proper heating.eg Sydney family suffocated trying to keep warm around a kerosene heater. The only noticeable effect i have seen from global warming is increased greening which I reckon is a pretty good side effect.
By the way, Matt Kean is known to be a fool. There is zero evidence he understands anything he is talking about. Just another useful idiot.
If it is so hot, how many hours have you spent outdoors with few clothes on in the winter compared to the summer. If you live outside of the Tropics I’d bet very few.
He is some science for you:
Cold or cool weather causes about 4.6 million deaths a year mainly through increased strokes and heart attacks, compared with about 0.5 million deaths from hot weather.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext
Cold or cool air causes our blood vessels to constrict to conserve heat. That raises our blood pressure causing increased deaths from strokes and heart attacks in the cooler months.
Here’s some science for you: Increasing storm disasters, increasing wildfires, reduced crop yields, tropical diseases moving north, housing in coastal cities around the world at risk, swaths of the middle east and northern India becoming unlivable, 10s of millions of climate refugees coming your way. Feel better now?
How is it possible that people like you continue to fall for these monumentally moronic hoaxes? Nothing you said has any basis in truth. Do you have anything to say outside of loonie, the end is nigh screeching ??
How is it possible that loonies like you reman utterly ignorant of science?
Look at real data , not modelling. Does not support anything you said.
Almost everybody outside of the Tropics has to live and work in heated buildings it is so cold most of the year.
The average temperature posted on the right of the WUWT pages is 58F, that is too cold to live outdoors for any length of time without protection from the cold
The inner totalitarian is always just under the surface, and it only takes 2 pieces of silver to bring it out.
Kean has always thought of himself as the only one in the room who knows what’s best for everybody.
Matt Kean was a pariah to the Liberal Party, an absolute LINO, and a waste of space and an all-round AGW-zealot.
How this scientifically ignorant twit ever gets into any position of responsibility is beyond any rational thought process.
The laws of physics and chemistry don’t give a toss about the lies spoken by Kean, Bowen and Albanese. These morons are clueless.
They might be clueless, but they are dangerous.
They know the science. Deniers not so much
Any offerings you make on this or other forums shows your bias when you keep referring to ‘the’ science rather than science (as a discipline).
OK. The Physics. Agreed by all Scientific Institutions in the world. And denied by a few loonies.
You sound like you know your time being a hero is coming to an end. What are you going to do next? One thing I know it won’t be is reading Lindzen, Happer and van Wijngaarden (2024)
https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.07392
Do tell us you highest scientific educational credentials please.
Loonies don’t seem to have any creds
Talking of scientifically ignorant twits, ‘Twiggy’ Forrest’s hydrogen dream has pretty much collapsed as his company contracts substantially. I wonder if he will return the largesse.
My FMG shares are a worry. 🙁
Wish Twiggy would stick to what he does best.. mining !!!
This a great role for Kean, hopefully he make the Climate Change Council.as popular as he made the Liberal party at the last election. Between him and Bowen we might have a chance of ending Net Zero once and for all.
Perhaps Kean should approach Malcolm Turncoat to tip in more money. Turnball has joined the bootlicking bunch of green renewables grifters and believers.
In political circles, failing upwards is the most common career progression.
Kean has the science right. Deniers? Not so much.
Sounds like you deny that “the climate” can change quite dramatically all on its own. Denier!
You really think natural climate change has stopped? No it has not. Those natural changes are now overwhelmed by man caused climate change.
BS. Evidence please.
““put your mouth where your money is” “
Except it is not their money.. it is massively subsidised by TAXPAYER funding
Grid scale wind and solar are not “clean energy”.
They are far more polluting than gas and coal at nearly every stage.
Mining, manufacture, installation, operation, and final short-life disposal are all highly detrimental to the natural environment.
This nonsense about them being “clean energy” has to stop.
I was surprised to see on TV a massive graveyard of wind turbine blades that had worn out from the effects of weather or were damaged from repeated bird strikes. Most of the blades were only about 20 years old and can not be recycled.
How much does it cost to install a new set of blades?
good question- yuh got the cost of the blades, the cost of bringing up big cranes, the labor costs- that’ll add up to a large cost
Even more expensive if your turbines are offshore.
The first time I ever heard of offshore “windmills” I thought- you gotta be kidding me?
A lot less than a new coal plant
So do renewable and sustainable.
Public funding is imperative in order to phase out polluting coal, gas and oil asap.
Again BS. If you want to hand over your money, fine. Leave mine out of it. I’ll back science against climate modelling every day of the week.
All that is happening in Australia as the crazies like Matt Kean force higher and higher costs is that business motives offshore to places like china where the environment is about 99 out of 95 political concerns. Emissions go up because their engineering for ordinary production lines appears to be far inferior to the west. it is cheaper because they don’t worry about their people either.
Keith Pitt responds
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What a load of meaningless twaddle from this king of odious creeps. This bloke has as much integrity as squashed worm.
How about you go get stuffed Kean, you ignorant moronic pretender. The bell of irrelevance tolls for thee.
That capital is our taxes and it should not be applied to non-value creating scams like ‘ruinables’. If the likes of Kean and his rogues think it is such a good idea then they should raise their own capital and have no taxpayer subsidies splashed on them.
100% – Kean represents an intellectual void. Therefore, the perfect appointment to head up a totally unnecessary federal government bureaucracy sucking from the taxpayer’s teat.
The problem is that the Greens have nesting articles of faith. In addition to CO2 causing global warming, and that that is A Bad Thing, and that countries other than China and India can have any effect on said warming, and that wind and solar are practical in reducing CO2 emissions, one must also believe that the costs are worth the effort, and that such effort can succeed.
I last had that sort of religious faith in third grade.
We desperately need a bit of “truth telling” in Australia … climate “truth telling”, where zealots like Kean can be brought to attention, trashed, and then dismissed from any further discussion.
I think we’re already there, everyone is backing off big time from green projects, the mere threat of subsidy cancellation and a nuclear programme has killed enthusiasm.
Once a nuclear industry is established in AU, (and it will be) weather reliant renewables will slowly but surely fade away.
But much of the remnant junk will be there as a reminder of this arrant stupidity, for decades to come.
The reinforced concrete bases for windmills will be there forever.
They’re sunk 30 ft into the ground and 30 ft square.
Who’s going to pay to have them broken up, dug up, and taken away to landfill?
Kean welcomes Truth telling. Deniers not so much.
Kean would not even know that truth exists. You are an idiot.
He has the Truth. You, not so much.
So he either hasn’t looked at IPCC AR6 WG1 Climate Impact Drivers or he has completely misunderstood, perhaps intentionally, its ramifications. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you. 😉
People like Keen need to know they will be held personally responsible for any hardship brought on the people by their policies. Their policies can never provide affordable, reliable, dispatchable energy on demand. They know it and we know it. The sooner we get more forceful the sooner we can trash renewables and get on with the business of generating fossil fuel and nuclear energy. We have put up with their lying and cheating for far too long.
“need to know they will be held personally responsible”
Except that THEY WON’T !!
Much as we would like them to be. !
I doubt your typical cocky (farmer) is likely to be fooled by all that ‘social licence’ bullsh*t.
They are reasonable people, I’ve been to a few rural meetings. When the projects were announced they sent sincere invitations to all interested parties including pro-renewable politicians and energy companies to send representatives to explain their position and answer questions.
They would have listened to arguments about how urgent renewables are, they might have even agreed with the pro-renewable arguments, if anyone had bothered to put those arguments.
They were deeply shocked when, most of the time, the only outsiders who bothered to accept their invitations were climate skeptic politicians and people like me. Even their own parliamentary representatives, people they trusted for years, in many cases didn’t bother to show their faces.
Now that Flannery has decided to become invisible, Kean will be a worthy substitute until he too awakens and retreats into obscurity also.
If renewables need subsidies in these times of high power prices, lower power prices will only extend the time to recover the investment and investors will demand even bigger subsidies. It is a given that the replacement of those assets that have reached the end of their operational life will also cost substantially more to build than the ones being retired.
‘It is time for many of you in this room to put your mouth where your money is.’
That’s telling, isn’t it?
“Follow the money”, as Deep Throat advised.
Who are these vested interests who are holding renewables back?
Are coal companies sabatoging solar panel farms?
Are natural gas companies picketing windmill sites?
Could someone name these vested interests and explain what they’ve done?
Me, I just need electricity sometimes:
Big Coal – sure, 10 cents/kwh whenever you need it
Big Natural Gas – sure, 10 cents/kwh wheneverr you need it
Big Nuke – sure, 10 cents/kwh whenever you need it.
Big Green – sure. 20 cents/kwh but it actually costs less than the others because the fuel is free. Oh, and you can only use the electricity when we are generating it. If you want to use it when you need it we will have to build some batteries so there will be a 10/cents/kwh surcharge for that. By the way, sometimes we generate electricity when you don’t need it, so you have to buy it from us anyway. We know that you don’t have your own big batteries so we will sell it to someone else for you and there is a 10 cents/kwhr surcharge for that. Then sometimes there are really big storms that last for days and days and the batteries might run out. That could be life threatening, so just to be safe we will build a coal or NG or Nuke of the same exact size, which will cost an additional 10 cents/kwhr surcharge.
We know that adds up to 50 cents/kwhr, but remember, its cheaper because the fuel is free.
Explain who has vested interests to me again?
Fighting climate change is a battle that can never be won. It is the perfect war for growing large governments.
Climate change as humans experience it is entirely driven by Earth’s relationship to the sun.
Earth weighs 6E24t, Jupiter 2E27t and sun weighs 2E30t. I doubt the CCAA can possibly have any influence over the movement of these very large masses.
The stupidity of a body set up to change the climate is beyond comprehension. The fact that the Chief Scientist is part of this stupid authority simply shows how inept Australian governance has become.
“The stupidity of a body set up to change the climate is beyond comprehension.”
Well, it worked for King Canute & the tides … oh, just a minute !!
“push back against vested interests seeking to erode public confidence in renewable energy”
The high prices, & trashing of the environment (by this intermittent free energy ) is eroding public confidence … same is happening with electric cars.
Slightly OT.
It is 3:30pm in South Australia, and they are already using 8% diesel generation. !
51% gas.. 36% W+S..
… are they trying to conserve gas or something?
Doesn’t make sense why they would have their diesels running at the moment..
Will be interesting to see what happens in a few hours !
10% now at 5:45 pm. Way ah ad of the super duper battery at 4%
SA is the only state using liquid fossil fuel is they call it
Yet this was the claim previously
https://reneweconomy.com.au/diesel-plants-to-close-as-big-batteries-take-centre-stage/
The closed plants are only 1/2 of the current diesel output. Something doesn’t add up ?
I believe they are.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/weve-been-warned-about-a-looming-gas-shortage-what-does-it-mean-for-households/tdv0ioxwv
When was the last time Albo fixed something?
At least until Victoria and NSW get their import terminals going. Or it warms up.
I am doing my bit for gas conservation by burning the wood I collected from a State forest last year.
Fortunately for SA, the wind picked up !
But that is it, isn’t it.
The LUCK of the weather.
So stupid be taking that risk on such a highly variable thing.
Yeah, I have had tech/marketing roles.
It is amazing how quickly one becomes programmed to singing from the prescribed hymn sheets.
He’s only the ‘head’ . The bureaucrats who work for him/ tell him what to say as usual
“If Matt Keen rams through his fast track planning approvals, brushing aside objections from locals”
In UK we have a similar arrogant ignorant twat;
Ed
MilibandMoribund (secretary of state for energy security and net zero) who is going to dictate when & where ‘green projects’ will happen, ignoring all objections.What an idiot. The attacks on ULEZ cameras are a bit of a hint what is in store if they go that route.
The ISP is a fictional underdone wannabe green renewable fairytale. It is a joke of a document.
Kean is a fool. he can scream as loud as he likes, and you know what, he needs to, because investment in ruinables is tanking…globally. Add to the immutable fact of economics, ‘social license’ so described is not working out either for all the renewable bedwetters.
The climate change authority needs to be abolished. What imbecile comes up with a climate ‘authority’? It’s just another piece of green climate progressive bureaucracy filled with faceless bureaucrats doing a bullshit ‘job’ wasting taxpayers’ money.
https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/progress-in-reducing-emissions-2024-report-to-parliament/ story tip
To see the view of the Climate Change Committee briefly summed up
https://www.theccc.org.uk/what-is-climate-change/
“The Climate Change Committee regularly issues calls for evidence to gather the views of a wide range of experts, businesses and organisations when developing its advice.”
Has there been any interaction with Clintel as I find none on the CCC website? If they were honest they would look seriously at the work and publications of Clintel.
Read the interview of Ian Magness who says, “I would disband all climate-related government quangos like the Climate Change Committee.” Perhaps this helps explain why CCC cannot look seriously at Clintel’s climate declaration “There is No Climate Emergency.”
https://clintel.org/interview-ian-magness/
Of course he lashes out. Climate change skepticism challenges the raison d’etre of his job.
How can a country with such a small population have so many stupid twits in the government?
To misquote Clive James, it’s not because of the descendants of the convicts; it’s the descendants of the warders
p.s. Wales probably scores higher!
“Australia has always punched above its weight.”
This is not ignorance. This is about money, about control, about power, and for these manipulative deceivers, every effort, word and action is all about attaining and retaining that grasp of.
“the only thing preventing metal thieves from ravaging Australia’s electricity infrastructure like they do in South Africa,”
Well, there are a few more reasons than just “social license” (not to say that that isn’t a big one) for the rampant electrical infrastructure theft in South Africa, which don’t apply in Australia (yet), including:
1) the fact that the electrical infrastructure in South Africa is simply turned off much of the time. It’s a lot easier to steal unguarded metal when it’s not energized at 230 kV.
2) The general poverty and lawlessness of the (majority) black population
3) The general poverty and lawlessness of the black government
4) The rampant corruption and increasing poverty of the South African power companies themselves, due in no small part to their inability to deliver and sell what little power they can still generate, due to the ongoing theft of their distribution infrastructure
Of course, all of these factors feed into each other, forming a vicious death spiral. It’s a tough problem over there! Merely changing the “social license” isn’t going to fix it…