By Emily Arthun
In March, PJM Interconnections, a regional electricity transmission organization (RTO) serving the greater Mid-Atlantic region, released its annual load forecast report outlining forecasted electricity demand for its service area. The report indicates PJM expects demand in their service area to increase as much as 40% over the next 15 years.
PJM manages the transmission of wholesale electricity across 13 states and the District of Columbia – including major data center hotspots such as Virginia and Ohio.
Meanwhile, a neighboring RTO, the Mid-Continent Independent System Operator (MISO) painted an even gloomier picture in its recent “Reliability Imperative Report.” MISO manages electric transmission across 15 states throughout most of the Midwest, Mississippi Valley, and Great Plains regions as well as the Province of Manitoba in Canada.
In their report, MISO forecasts a demand increase of 60 GW, or 32%, by 2042. At the same time, MISO expects much of their current baseload capacity to retire. And despite new renewable generation planned for construction, MISO expects to see a net capacity decline of 32 GW (@18%).
“Because new wind and solar resources have significantly lower accreditation values than the conventional resources that utilities and states plan to retire in the same 20-year period, the region’s level of accredited capacity is forecast to decline by 32 GW by 2042” MISO stated.
PJM expects 58 GW of current capacity to retire by 2032, which is approximately 30% of the total current capacity of 196 GW). This amount of capacity loss is despite peak forecasted demand increasing by 43 GW above current capacity.
The story continues to repeat itself across the country. The nation’s existing electric grid is straining to meet the current demand – often nearing the point of failure during the heat of summer and coldest parts of winter. Yet, the Biden Administration remains determined to shut down coal-fired baseload generation facilities — one of the only sources of electricity that has proven itself time and again capable of meeting any demand the grid requires.
Last month, the Biden Administration’s radicalized EPA released its “New Source Performance Standards for GHG Emissions from New and Reconstructed EGUs; Emission Guidelines for GHG Emissions from Existing EGUs; and Repeal of the Affordable Clean Energy Rule.”
The Rule mandates a 90% reduction in carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants that choose the use of Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) technology and is expected to further reduce coal-fired steam generating unit capacity from 181 gigawatts (GW) in 2023 to 52 GW in 2035, of which 11 GW includes retrofit carbon capture and storage (CCS). This reduction in generation capacity is the result of the probable loss of 660,000 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of coal-fired steam generating units — from 898,000 GWh in 2021 to just 236,000 GWh by 2035. At present, coal-fired generation provides about 20% of the nation’s electricity – but that percentage increases dramatically during the summer and winter months being the peak seasons.
Anyone with even a basic understanding of math or economics can see that forced shutdowns of so much baseload capacity and its replacement with intermittent (read unreliable) wind and solar is sheer insanity. As we have noted in the past, even the Biden Administration’s own energy experts have warned time and again that these closures are already putting our grid at risk of not only short-term blackouts and brownouts – but outright collapse.
In fact, MISO modeling indicates that the region that widespread “load interruptions” of 3-4 hours day for up to 26 or more days a year is possible (perhaps likely), and would happen during the hottest days of summer and the coldest periods of winter, when millions depend on electricity to simply survive.
Biden’s policies are so egregious that 25 states have joined together in a federal lawsuit to stop the plan. They have been joined by labor unions, farmers, manufacturers, and countless others who understand what this reckless policy will do to our economy and the danger it imposes on the American people.
Recently, West Virginia Public Service Commission Chair, Charlotte Lane, explained this concern in a brief filed with the US Federal Court supporting the lawsuit.
“The Final Rule does not simply encourage, but effectively mandates, early retirement of coal-fired, baseload, dispatchable generation that is necessary to maintain the reliability and resilience of the electric power grid,” Lane wrote. “…Steam-powered generation [is required] to provide the dispatchable base load power supply to assure constant and consistent electricity supplies twenty-four hours a day, year around, the entire interconnected electrical system will be relying on unreliable intermittent generation sources that cannot be dispatched because the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow 24 hours per day, 365 days a year.”
“I cannot overstate the reliability concerns that are just as critical as the concerns over the costs…” Lane continued. “The EPA’s downplaying of the problem notwithstanding, this move to intermittent resources will be unsafe and unreliable without online reserve resources necessary to provide the constant balance of supply to load when wind and solar resources are intermittent.”
This rule will also drive-up costs for families and businesses across the country – inevitably causing energy poverty on a scale never seen in this country as families are faced with the hard choice of putting food on the table or buying needed medicines or paying their electric bills.
The bottom line is that solar and wind resources are not the panacea radical environmentalists claim them to be. Despite their claims, wind and solar are not less expensive relative to thermal resources.
First, the current thermal generation plants (coal and natural gas) that the rule would close, are up-and-running generation units. Replacement renewable generation capacity, as well as transmission capacity would have to be build (at significant cost). And adding this new capacity is not comparing apples to oranges. It will take multiple times as much replacement generation capacity to replace thermal generation capacity with intermittent and limited-duration wind and solar generation resources.
As Lane noted in her brief, “PJM has quantified the ability of wind and solar resources to serve load for delivery years 2026/27 through 2034/35: replacing 1,000 MW of coal-fired capacity will require either 4,200 MW of onshore wind, 2,500 MW of more expensive offshore wind, 21,400 MW of fixed solar, or 15,500 MW of more expensive tracking solar.”
So, any supposed advantage in costs claimed by the renewables industry and their supporters quickly, flies out the window in the face of reality. Frankly, the policy decisions in the Biden White House are detrimental to the wellbeing of the United States citizens and economy.
Emily Arthun is CEO of the American Coal Council.
This article was originally published by RealClearEnergy and made available via RealClearWire.
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With the Texas February 2021 “Winter Storm Uri”, the Green Blob tried to blame gas powered sources failing for the blackouts and near grid crash. No one actually expected wind to deliver any power in still air and freezing rain.
The real problem was the diversion of resources to weather dependent sources, period.
Biden is like solar, asleep for more than half the day. He’s opposite of wind. Wind blows.
You are being kind.
Wind and solar are a lot worse than that.
BATTERIES IN NEW ENGLAND TO COUNTERACT A ONE-DAY WIND/SOLAR LULL?
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/batteries-in-new-england
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A Wind/Solar Lull Lasting One Day in Winter in New England
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If such a W/S lull occurs, batteries will make up the electricity shortfall
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We assume, decades from 2024, NE has installed:
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60000 MW of solar, which produce an annual average of 8700 MWh/h, at capacity factor = 0.145
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60000 MW of onshore and offshore wind, which produce an annual average of 21000 MWh/h, at CF = 0.35
120000 MW of W/S providing an average of 29700 MW throughout the year
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During a W/S lull, we assume the production will be only 10% of these values during winter, which frequently has days with very little wind, and snow on most panels
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We assume:
Average electricity fed to the grid is 21000 MW (about 8% more than user demand), on a January day, and Average W/S output fed to the grid is 0.1 x (21000 + 8700) = 2970 MW
W/S power shortfall is 21000 – 2970 = 18030 MW
W/S electricity shortfall is 24 x (21000 – 2970) = 432720 MWh
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Batteries are rated to provide a level of power for a period of time, or MW/MWh, delivered as AC
Our battery rating is at least 18030 MW / (432720 MWh/0.6), delivered as AC
There are Tesla design factors that reduce rating, but we will ignore them, for simplicity.
Tesla recommends not charging to more than 80% full, and not discharging to less than 20% full
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That means the recommended maximum delivered electricity is 0.6 of rating.
We assume the battery is 75% full, at start of lull, and is drawn down to 15% full, in 24 hours, i.e., 0.6 of rating is drawn out of the battery, as AC, if we are lucky.
But that withdrawal must be reduced by 9%, due to battery loss, DC/AC loss, step-up transformer loss
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging
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NOTE: Tesla’s recommendation was not heeded by the Owners of the Hornsdale Power Reserve in Australia. They excessively charged/discharged the system. After a few years, they added Megapacks to offset rapid aging of the original system, and added more Megapacks to increase the rating of the expanded system.
http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-hornsdale-power-reserve-largest-battery-system-in-australia
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Battery System Loss: There is about a 20% round-trip loss, from HV grid to 1) step-down transformer, 2) front-end power electronics, 3) into battery, 4) out of battery, 5) back-end power electronics, 6) step-up transformer, to HV grid, i.e., you have to draw about 50 units from the HV grid to deliver about 40 units to the HV grid, because of a-to-z system losses. That gets worse with aging.
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Capital Cost: All-in, turnkey capital cost of Tesla, Megapack-based system = 432720/(0.6 x 0.92) x 1000 kWh/MWh x $575/delivered kWh as AC, 2023 pricing = $456 billion.
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging
Double that amount, if the W/S lull lasts two days.
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In addition, the Megapacks must be arranged to provide at least 18030 MW, for the power shortfall, as above calculated
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W/S lulls of 5 to 7 days are not uncommon in New England, throughout the year
Dealing with such multi-day lulls will require batteries costing about $2279 billion to $3190 billion, just for New England!
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Remember, these battery systems last only about 15 years, and age at about 1.5%/y during that time, if properly operated. Aging increases the loss percent, and reduces the delivered electricity quantity
The recurring replacement cost, about every 15 years, will bankrupt New England
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Those capital costs can be reduced by extreme “demand management”, including rolling blackouts and complete blackouts, often practiced in Third World countries.
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Imports from nearby states is not an option, as those states face similar wind/solar/battery challenges.
How are recharge times accounted for following a discharge? Seems like they can only be overcome by having even larger amounts of wind and PV generation, that generate nothing when the battery is charged.
The 2011 and 2021 Texas blackouts BOTH had the same cause: A temporary shortage of just in time natural gas supplies for natural gas power plants and home use.
The 2021 blackout was made worse by having electric compressors on gas pipelines, some of which were shut off during rolling blackouts
The 2021 blackouts were NOT caused by the pipeline compressors or by the lack of wind.
Lack of wind is a common event for windmills, but never causes a blackout when natural gas backup is able to fill the gap.
The 2011 blackouts had few windmills and the 2021 blackout had lots of windmills
The post-2011 blackout report did not recommend building lots of windmills
The report recommended weatherization of natural gas production facilities, which would never happen — too expensive for the expected one or two very cold periods in a Texas decade.
The alternate solution was having a few days of natural gas supplies stored in tanks at each natural gas power plant. That also did not happen.
So the problem, first identified in the 1980s, remains: In very cold weather wellhead freezing causes natural gas production to temporarily be shut down at some gas production facilities.
Wind droughts are common events. They ONLY cause blackouts if the natural gas and/or battery backup fails to cover the gap.
No Texas blackout was caused by a lack of wind.
Both Texas blackouts were causes by a shortage of natural gas.
Conservatives are so anti-wind they can’t admit the truth.
The truth is that wind energy is unreliable and a total waste of money.
Texas is exhibit A.
But it is wrong to blame a windmill for a lack of wind. That is not a design flaw — there is little or no wind energy up to half the time — wind variations cause unreliable power output by design.
You can’t create a reliable electric grid with unreliable wind and solar energy — they ruin grid reliability and should be called (grid) ruinables.
Wow.. blaming the cause on a shortage of gas.
That is a pretty warped little bow you have there.
Don’t shoot yourself in the foot … again.
I read both official post blackout reports while you remain clueless, as usual, on a large variety of subjects.
You have read… but as usual FAIL to comprehend.
No wind… when the expectation is that they might actually provide something.. (otherwise, why build them).
The reason there wasn’t enough gas pumping was because of the dickie greene wind and solar agenda.
That CO2 warming scam that you keep supporting, is the sole cause behind the problem.
Blaming it on lack of gas supply is a far-leftist AGW-scammer meme..
Drink liquor after posting in the future.
Not before
Temporary Texas gas shortages were due to some gas production facilities shutting down to avoid wellhead freezing damage. Raw natural gas contins some water vapor which is later removed by refining.
I try to educate you, but that is more difficult than teaching my cat geometry.
Poor RG,
Show us the wind and solar contributing.. THERE IS NONE.
Show us the Gas contributing…. Nearly 100%.
The blame is totally and absolutely on the Greene agenda.
The moronic idiocy of blaming the one thing that was supplying nearly 100% of all electricity, truly is stretching reality !!
The Lack of Gas was caused by several factors…
Record cold lasting double digit days
Freezing up of Wind Generation assets.
Lack of sufficient sun
Record demand for electricity
Lack of capacity from eliminating reliable FF generation sources
Lack of surplus power in adjacent grids due to.similar demand factors
Record Electricity demand combined with extreme cold induced heating demand placed a strain on the available gas supplies
Looking at the graph it is as difficult to determine where gas failed as it is to locate where Solar or Wind did not fail. Gas stepped up, wind and solar died.
The failure was in the dependence on generation sources that are themselves dependent on favorable weather at a time of unfavorable weather conditions
I want to thank you for posting a chart that supports my conclusion (from the official post-blackout reports) and contradicts your own words.
Gas electricity output must ramp up to meet demand when wind and solar fail.
You can see from the chart that gas output initially ramped up to about 45 GW and then fell to about 30GW, a one third reduction when demand was still very strong. The result was rolling blackouts to reduce electricity demand.
Lack of wind is a common event
Lack of sun happens every day
The lack of natural gas supply for just in time delivery was the cause of the blackouts in 2011 and 2021.
Having many more natural gas power plants in 2021 would not have helped because there was not enough gas for the existing natural gas plants.
Texas has low capacity interconnections with other grids and neighboring states were suffering from cold weather and high electricity demand too. I believe about 100,000 people in Oklahoma lost power on a different grid.
The wind speed in Texas was so low that even with all wind turbines working, rather than half of them suffering from frozen blades, with no blade heaters, there STILL would not have been enough electricity to avoid a blackout.
There was a total of 8 days, 23 hours, and 23 minutes of winter highlights between the first Winter Weather Advisory issued on Thursday, February 11th at 9:37am to when the last Hard Freeze Warning expired at 9am on Saturday, February 20th.
“Gas electricity output must ramp up to meet demand when wind and solar fail.”
The ‘blame’ is on “the policy”. Time to admit it.
And Wind and Solar were both visibly absent leaving Gas to try and do it all
And where is wind?
As YOU can see from the chart on Monday Feb 8 wind was providing over 20GW and fell to essentially ZERO by mid day Wednesday Feb 10th and remained lower than 5GW most of the time until after Thursday Feb 19th. Solar tanked for most of the next 5 days as well from Feb 10th through the 14th
That’s A drop of 80% for wind for a week and 85% of Solar for 5 days.
Texas has 36GW of wind capacity so producing only 22GW on that Monday Wind was already down greater than 1/3 of capacity prior to dropping out so that 80% drop from 22GW is actually a 95% drop from nameplate capacity.
Show us the wind and solar contributing.. THERE IS NONE.
Show us the Gas contributing…. Nearly 100%.
The blame is totally and absolutely on the Greene agenda.
The stupidity of blaming the one thing that was supplying nearly 100% of all electricity, truly is a warped and twisted reality !!
That’s RG for you.
The argument that that’s how windmills work, is technically correct shows a lack of understanding the real problem.
The primary energy source is weather dependent. That’s a design flaw in the system.
The need for 100% backup for wind turbines is a design flaw in the system.
Making yourself dependent on generation sources that are themselves dependent on favorable weather in a season/climate of unfavorable weather without sufficient reliable backup generation sources shows a severe lack of logical reasoning
The need for 100% gas backup for wind that works in ALL weather conditions, was known long before Texas built their first windmill.
ERCOT knew in February 2011 that temporary just in time gas shortages can occur in unusually cold Texas weather.
ERCOT subsidized windmills, in spite of that cold weather gas problem, a low surplus capacity percentage and unusually low capacity interconnections with other grids.
It is possible to have lots of windmills with no blackouts if there is sufficient backuo an high capacity interconnections with other grids.
Texas has far too many windmills.
Don’t blame windmills for ERCOT’s decision to subsidize them.
Blame ERCOT.
ERCOT made their grid dependent on just in time gas deliveries from suppliers. That failed two times:
February 2011 3 million people affected
February 2021 5 million people affected.
Maybe another February in the future?
Electric grids should not have any solar panels or windmills. They are redundant and unreliable. And 15 or 20 years later you have to replace them. A total waste of money.
Wind doesn’t work in “All Weather Conditions”. Wind only works in the goldilocks zone…between 9 and 55 mph. Less than 9mph and there’s insufficient energy to overcome friction and inertia to turn the blades. Wind speeds greater than 50-55mph and the automatic breaking system kicks in terminating rotation to prevent damage to the turbine.
Clear weather blocking highs can create weather unfavorable for wind generation by stopping the wind from blowing altogether and can last weeks.
Likewise major storms (hurricanes and tornadoes) can shut down wind generation for days or destroy turbines completely for months respectively.
Going back I may have misinterpreted your statement
If a source of power is incapable of producing power when it is needed, that is a design flaw.
The truth is that wind energy is unreliable and a total waste of money.
Texas is exhibit A.
You are correct.
People should read and not skim.
Wind and solar must be removed from the grid. All gas and nuclear must be upgraded and run as needed. New fossil fuel and nuclear need to be built now to keep the nation running. The grid must be upgraded to accommodate the new fossil fuel and nuclear generators.
Not in absolute terms. Wind and solar are niche power generation methods that can supplement the grid so long as the grid is not dependent on them.
We have supplemental solar. When the sun shines, the panels supplement the grid and our utility bills get a minor amount lower.
Beyond niche applications and space applications, mega systems are fundamentally flawed and disasters in the making.
PJM is deliberately wrong here: “As Lane noted in her brief, “PJM has quantified the ability of wind and solar resources to serve load for delivery years 2026/27 through 2034/35: replacing 1,000 MW of coal-fired capacity will require either 4,200 MW of onshore wind, 2,500 MW of more expensive offshore wind, 21,400 MW of fixed solar, or 15,500 MW of more expensive tracking solar.””
No amount of wind or solar replaces even 1 MW of coal on calm nights, especially when it is deadly cold. PJM refuses to state the obvious for political reasons.
Wind and/or solar alone are far more expensive than traditional FF generation. But both Wind and Solar can’t be depended upon to be able to generate power on demand (when required) but only either when the wind is favorable (9-50MPH) or the Sun is up and at a favorable elevation (10am-2pm local time). Neither can be depended on to produce power at Peak Usage time 6-10pm (and peak will shift even later with the forced electrification of transportation as people plug in at home over night to recharge)
So both Wind and Solar require expensive battery storage to allow for power to be produced at one time of day and stored for use at peak demand, after the sun goes down.
Moreover, given scarcity of resources (including capital) and given current and likely-to-be-viable-in-the-foreseeable-future battery tech, such storage is essentially IMPOSSIBLE.
Already impossibly expensive because the amounts of storage required are enormous:
https://www.cfact.org/2024/06/10/windless-nights-make-net-zero-impossible/
In addition, those battery warehouses need heating and cooling, which they cannot supply simultaneously with putting electricity on the grid.
Indeed. But the renewable fantasy is based on ArtStudent™ Qualitative Thinking, not Doing Sums.
Battery storage is not there to store energy for lack of wind or sun. It cannot be anything like large enough, Batteries stabilise the grid frequency, replacing spinning mass in turbines.
Just do the sums and research how much capacity a so called ‘grid scale’ battery actually has.
The green narrative is thus:
Storage solves intermittency
We are installing battery storage.
Relying on the fact that no Green can count beyond ten with their socks on.
Never underestimate the power of carefully crafted bullshit
Oh I already know. Prohibitively expensive to allow for days of supply. They allow for minutes only to get spinning reserves on line and up to speed. But, eventually…if ecotards get their way (and ancient doddering fool presidents) there will be no reliable FF back up available and batteries would be required to take up the slack
Wind and solar are cheap when the sun is bright and the wind is strong
At other times there’s little or no output.
The Sun builds solar panels for free?
The Wind builds pinwheels for free?
Sorry, you said “cheap”, not “free”.
Are they cheap to build? Are they worth the cost?
Yep,
In the case of wind it’s unavailable 60% of the year
In the case of solar its seasonally variable but nonexistent from 4-5pm until after 9am every single day of the year
Except for the “Cheap” part.
Wind and solar are vastly more expensive than Nuclear when you take 2 factors into account
Capacity Factor
Longevity
Wind has a capacity factor of 36-40% in prime wind areas, less in other areas.
Solar has a capacity factor of around 22% in summer and 12% in winter.
Nuclear has a capacity factor of 98%
Wind requires about 2.5 times as much capacity to match nuclear
Solar requires greater than 4.5 times capacity in summer and 8 times in winter.
Wind lasts 20 years
Solar lasts 15 or until the next hailstorm
Nuclear lasts 60 years
Wind will be replaced 2-3 times and solar at least 4 times in the lifespan of a nuclear plant
So, accounting for capacity factor and lifespan 2.2GW of nuclear generation wind will require 7.5 times capacity with ever increasing replacement costs every 20 years and solar will require 18 to 32 times capacity installation and replacement again with ever increasing replacement costs from inflation
Correct, especially when ONLY considering real time generation costs and excluding everything else.
The point is that political leaders typically don’t study mathematics or science. What is obvious to us is incomprehensible to them. They just say ‘storage’ as if saying that actually solves the problem…;
And they don’t follow this site.
No, apparently the only requirement to be a political leader is to draw breath and to have the liberal media on your side to make your excuses seem valid
And I’m not too sure about the “Draw Breath” requirement after the last debate
I find political leader to be an oxymoron.
You can go to KMart and buy batteries and they are cheap. So is the political point of view. Cheap.
Yes, I too thought the ‘2,500 MW of more expensive offshore wind’ is wildly optimistic. In the UK, with about 29GW of wind installed, drops to 5GW and below for days on end occur a few times a year. And within this there are lows of below 1GW.
To replace 1GW of coal you would need at least 10GW of wind, and even then you would need huge amounts of batteries or other storage to make up the calms.
Roughly, you need in storage about 2TWh for every 1GW peak demand. From the Royal Society Report calculations that the UK would need about 100TWh storage to deal with net zero for demand of 45+GW. That was allowing for whole calm seasons every few decades as well as the annual calms of a week or ten days caused by blocking highs.
As for the claim that any amount of solar can replace coal plant, again, the question is how much storage for evenings and nights. No amount of solar can act as a like for like replacement.
And how much dedicated solar to recharge those TWh in a timely manner with solar availability constraints (10am – 2pm local)
How can often is a lull lasting days/weeks followed by a subsequent lull lasting days/weeks? And how fast would those Batteries need to be replenished?
A question I have been wondering about — what would recharge times be after deep discharges?
When the juice is off and the temperature is cold, the recharge times are infinite.
yeah but Svante Arrhenius made him pinky swear in the schoolyard to fight the power.
The Net Zero policy is based on a double fantasy. First, the energy transition to renewables will never work. Second, the CO2 warming claims used to justify Net Zero are based on fraudulent climate model results.
There are three parts to the climate modeling fraud. First, starting in the nineteenth century, the energy transfer processes the determine the surface temperature were oversimplified using the equilibrium climate assumption. Second, there was mission creep. As funding for space explorations decreased after the end of the Apollo (moon landing) program, the planetary atmospheres group at NASA switched to ‘earth studies’. Later, as funding for nuclear programs was reduced, the National Labs jumped on the climate bandwagon. Third, there was a decision by outside environmental and political groups to exploit global warming to further their own interests.
The climate fraud can be traced back to Table 5 of the 1967 paper by Manabe and Wetherald. Here they claimed that a doubling of the CO2 concentration would produce an increase in ‘equilibrium’ surface temperature of 2.9 °C for clear sky conditions. This was a mathematical artifact created by three fundamental errors in the one dimensional radiative convective (1-D RC) model used by M&W.
In 1976 the NASA planetary atmospheres group blindly copied the fraudulent 1967 M&W model and created warming artifacts for 10 ‘minor species’ including methane and nitrous oxide [Wang et al, 1976]. Later, in 1981, Hansen’s group added a 2 layer ‘slab’ ocean, the CO2 doubling ritual and claimed that they could use this model to simulate a ‘global climate record’. This work provided the foundation for the pseudoscience of radiative forcings, feedbacks and climate sensitivity still used by the climate models today [Ramaswamy, 2019].
The final part of the climate fraud was added in the Third Climate Assessment Report (TAR) published by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2001). The radiative forcings were split into anthropogenic and natural contributions. This approach was used to claim that increases in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations would cause an increase in the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events. This was based on work by Stott et al and Tett et al at the UK Hadley Climate Centre. This ‘attribution’ of ‘extreme weather’ to greenhouse gases provided the justification for today’s disastrous Net Zero energy policies.
Manabe got part of the 2021 Nobel Prize for climate modeling fraud.
This fraud is discussed in detail in the recent paper ‘A Nobel Prize for Climate Modeling Errors’ published in the open access on-line journal Science of Climate Change 4(1) pp. 1-73 (2024) https://doi.org/10.53234/scc202404/17
Good summary.
Thanks Roy, much appreciated overview..
From the abstract of the study at your past link:
“It is impossible for the observed increase in
atmospheric CO2 concentration since 1800 to have caused any unequivocal change in surface temperature.”
Thiat claim is false but will make the AGW Denying Nutters here jump for joy
Your recommendation of a “study” with such a false conclusion, opposed by almost 100% of scientists since 1896, proves you have no idea what you are talking about.
Poor little dickie.
Still totally absent of any evidence of CO2 warming.
Still clinging DESPERATELY to all the anti-science AGW-memes… as cultists do.
Your continued 100% consensus garbage shows you have never been a scientist, and are never capable of being one.
Roy is 100% correct..
You are 110% WRONG. !
As archeologists like to say, Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
That the effect of CO2 is too small to be measured in the highly noisy and chaotic real world, is not proof that CO2 has no impact.
Your repeated insistence that this must be true is highly unscientific.
What’s unscientific is to assume a linear relationship between CO2 and temperature. Weather and by extension climate are non-linear systems. Non-linear systems do not respond to inputs linearly. For a given input a non-linear system may increase, decrease, or do something else. It’s a fact that so-called climate scientist have no clue as to why temperatures have changed in the past.
The ice cores show a roughly 800 year lag from temperature increase and CO2 increase. On the downside, the temperature decreases, but CO2 remains high for a while then decreases at half the rate of the temperature decrease. To say that CO2 is causing the temperature change is ludicrous.
A conclusion can only be false if it doesn’t follow from the premises, or if the premises are false. No doubt you have something specific in the paper that you object to?
unequivocal
leaving no doubt; unambiguous
That does not say CO2 has zero impact. It is saying the impact is too small to discern from natural variations.
I sometimes think that the real reason for all this climate nonsense is to lessen te shock of peak fossil fuels, but sadly they couldn’t even get that right, We need nuclear. Not mediaeval bloody windmills
“We need nuclear. Not mediaeval bloody windmills”
And we definitely don’t need 20 year contracts extended as is being threatened in Ontario.
We don’t need to worry about peak fossil fuel for at least 400 to 500 years.
An important part of the fraud are the errors of climate science metrology:
1 – The GAT (Global Average air Temperature) is assumed to be a valid metric (or the only metric) that can describe climate and climate changes. GAT of course is the output of the climate models.
2 – Averaging can increase the resolution of 1-degree data down to 1/100 or 1/1000 of a degree.
3 – Instrumental measurement uncertainties of thermometers are assumed to cancel and are ignored.
4 – It is possible to remove “error” in historic data by substituting new values of measurements for old ones.
5 – Sites for which data are missing can be represented with synthesized numbers.
6 – The measurement uncertainties of these averaged data are extremely tiny, much less than one degree, including those from the nineteenth century, allowing claims of being able to assign meaning to such tiny changes in the averages.
Here is the Guardian defending the equivalent madness for the UK:
Sunak next misled viewers by omitting the wider economic benefits that would be delivered by taking action on climate change….
These people really think that the UK can ‘take action on climate change’ when everything being proposed by the UK political class, even were it possible, could have no effect whatever on climate change.
The debate in the US proceeds on the same crazy lines. The very expression of ‘action on climate change’ to describe the installation of wind and solar is deceptive and misinformation.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/28/is-there-truth-in-rishi-sunaks-net-zero-attack-on-labour
Once again, as usual, no discussion of how much effect either on global emissions or temperatures the policies will have.
Religious dogma such as The Grauniad spews is like that.
No surprizes at all there.
At some point people will revolt and toss the policy makers that bankrupt them out.
It happens quickly when enough people are fed up with nonsense. People say it never can happen where liberal thinking dominates, but even in California we have seen proposition 13 pass when property tax became unbearable and Gov. Gray Davis successfully recalled when the lights went out.
The US congress understands that wind and solar cannot replace “fossil fuels” without a dramatic additional of nuclear. Today is 10 days since the Advance Nuclear Act was sent to Biden so it is now law.
Wed, Jun 19, 2024, 5:07AM Nuclear News
The U.S. Senate yesterday passed the Accelerating Deployment of Versatile, Advanced Nuclear for Clean Energy (ADVANCE) Act, sending legislation that would make sweeping changes to the approval process for new technology in the nuclear energy sector to President Biden for final approval.
In the bill: Among the numerous provisions in the ADVANCE Act are the following directives to the NRC:
As all weather dependent energy systems require a full capacity back up generator standing by ready to supply when the weather doesn’t provide the wind conditions or the sunshine to power them.
With that reality in play, how could anyone even Biden imagine having twice the capacity with most of it standing idle most of the time, would be a cheaper option than having just one reliable energy system?
The advocates for these crazy uneconomic policies are passionate. They are determined to use any and every opportunity to progress their ideas. They do what they do, whether defacing works of art, or blocking society from normal travel and commercial business, because they have been convinced, the most beneficial molecule in the natural balance of the environment i.e. CO2, is the enemy and must be eliminated.
The advocates objective is to collapse consumerism. These zealots want to stop normal people having ‘stuff’.
When challenged/cornered they finally admit. Their campaign is nothing to do with climate per se, that is simply the pan world instrument they have chosen to advance their cause. They openly state the objective is to destroy capitalism and reduce world population to sub 1 billion people.
The exact make up of the 1 billion ‘survivors’ is not discussed.
The Great Reset as outlined by the the WEF and detailed by its founder is for ‘people to own nothing’, his assurance that ‘they will be happy’ is not immediately obvious why?
They will be told how happy they are, backed up by ‘data’, and they will believe it
If ‘they’ “sub 1 billion people” with 1 billion like those presently in charge throughout the world… they can kiss this planet goodbye.
The great mistake is to think that political leaders lead. The reality is they change tack under unremitting political pressure from the electorate, and the big money that finances their party. The renewable blob has deep pockets filled with taxpayer money and is careful to grease the right political palms, but in the end the disaster that is renewable energy will out, and people will realise they have no alternative but nuclear.
Although in the USA coal is a temporary but very viable alternative.
All of us should keep in mind that politicians do NOT write legislation… Lobbyists do.
There’s an old saying that political leadership is the art of figuring out which way the mob is moving, then quickly getting in front of it.
That’s assuming the mob doesn’t stampede over you.
From the article: ““Because new wind and solar resources have significantly lower accreditation values than the conventional resources that utilities and states plan to retire in the same 20-year period, the region’s level of accredited capacity is forecast to decline by 32 GW by 2042” MISO stated.”
In other words, windmills and solar are not fit for purpose.
Windmills and solar cannot power a modern society.
One of these days, these morons will figure this out, but probably not before a lot of damage is done to the economy and society.
Human-caused Climate Change = The biggest, most destructive Mass Delusion in world history.
The people who perpetrated this climate change fraud on the world should be prosecuted. You know who you are.
From the article: “Anyone with even a basic understanding of math or economics can see that forced shutdowns of so much baseload capacity and its replacement with intermittent (read unreliable) wind and solar is sheer insanity.”
I can see it. And our next president, Donald Trump, can see it, and it’s not going to happen. Trump will stop all these stupid regulations on energy generation.
Trump said yesterday that he was going to cancel the “Green New Scam”. I inferred that he meant ALL of it.
“Joe Biden’s Energy Policies”
WRONG
Biden Administration Energy Policies
Joe Biden had nothing to do with them
Maybe he signed a paper
That someone told him to sign
Yep, most probable explanation.
You must mean o’bummer’s policies.
Paraphrased but largely stolen from Ed Hoskins ” Sun Tzu: The supreme art of war is to subdue your enemy without fighting. There may be no better way to subdue an enemy than by weakening their energy infrastructure while making it more expensive”.
One of the reasons the Germans lost WW2 is because they ran out of fuel for their tanks at the Battle of the Bulge – they would have lost a lot sooner if they were using batteries.
Western governments are being subdued by an evil, corrupt internal enemy – in the US, that enemy is the democratic party which includes virtually all of the MSM and too many republicans. If dems win in November, regardless if it’s Biden (looking more and more unlikely) or anyone else, and they take control of both chambers of congress, I don’t see the country surviving. There will be nothing to stop them from accelerating their nut-zero policies.
While it appears that the general public may be starting to see the stupidity of these polices, in my view, they are not waking up fast enough, and few who refused to vote for Trump last time will be voting for him this time, but there will be people who come out to vote just to vote against him. That and dems will likely come up with some stunt to sway the vote, or simply commit some fraud as they did last time – there is little to stop them.
I hope I am completely wrong and that Trump wins (he’s not my 1st choice, but it’s who we have), republicans take control of both chambers, and a scorched earth approach is taken to dismantle and rebuild (if necessary) virtually all the 3 letter agencies. Get rid of about half and reduce the remaining in size by half or more. I also hope he does not choose Burgum as his running mate. He may be smart and a FF advocate, but he also believes we need carbon capture – an expensive non-solution to a non problem.
Have you read the platforms of ALL of the candidates?
Only Trump is realistic about energy.
There are a ton of other issues, but energy is what this forum is about.
The Paradox – If the elite really cared about humanity, they wouldn’t ban fossil fuels to destroy our way of life.
Poorer nations need the same products enjoyed in wealthy countries that are based on fossil fuels to begin flourishing, concurrent with developed nations that only wish to live only on electricity from renewables!
https://www.americaoutloud.news/the-paradox-if-the-elite-really-cared-about-humanity-they-wouldnt-ban-fossil-fuels-to-destroy-our-way-of-life/
— “Frankly, the policy decisions in the Biden White House are detrimental to the wellbeing of the United States citizens and economy.” —
And national defense. There’s no better way to prostrate America to hostile foreign powers than Biden’s destruction of our energy sector.
I hope people realize and remember that it’s not just Brandon’s fault.
When have the other Democrats meaningfully opposed “his” policies?
When have they not actively supported all of Biden’s policies?
Pelosi completed the formalization of the one party Democrats in the House. If a rep disagreed or refused to vote party line, the rep lost committee assignments and was divorced from funding by the DNC for re-election. A few have cross-over.
We used to have a representative republic. We are heading down the dark tunnel of 1 party autocracy.
panem et circenses
The fall of Rome repeats.
So here’s “The Plan” dudes….Build Wind and solar, but avoid the cost of batteries by building backup gas turbine generators. Then in 15 to 20 years we will only have gas turbine generators as everyone realizes that the GT infrastructure already exists and it’s much less costly to replace a gas turbine than dozens of wind turbines, plus is reliable.
Yeah, it wastes some money, but about half as much as Plan Zero will.
Is that a brandon ‘double’ in that picture? He appears quite a bit different to ‘the puppet’.
That’s the AI created Brandon. You can tell by the Wide Awake expression and the Large Unblinking Eyes. The actual Brandon has beady little eyes and a perpetual scowl that furrows his brow and often needs to close them to reboot his failing brain
Someone just photoshopped (or AI’ed) out the strings.
If not, he was probably just asked how big of an ice-cream cone he wants.
He could focus on that.