Specious Species

Note by Kip Hansen — 22 February 2024 — 1600 words/8 minutes

We are constantly bombarded by news about “species” – Endangered Species, Threatened Species, Vanishing Species, Loss of Species such as “Researchers estimate that the current rate of species loss varies between 100 and 10,000 times the background extinction rate” [ source:  Britannica Feb 15, 2024 ].   Let me clarify that:  Britannica says that the Earth is losing species at a rate of 100 to 50,000 species per year

How can such an impossibly wide range even be considered an “estimate”?  Easy!  There is no agreed upon scientific definition of what a species is – so there can be no count either of existing species nor of species loss or extinction, in the present or in the past. 

There are ‘equally good’ estimates of the number of existing species:  8.7 million.  “That is a new, estimated total number of species on Earth—the most precise calculation ever offered—with 6.5 million species found on land and 2.2 million dwelling in the ocean depths.” [ source

or

“As of 2021, we have identified and describedapproximately 2.13 million species.“ “Estimates suggest that around 20% of described species may be undiscovered synonyms [the same species under a different name]. Adjusting for this, the actual number of described species might be closer to 1.7 million.”  Taking into account estimates of undiscovered or undescribed species: “The true number of species remains elusive.  Estimates vary widely:  5 to 10 million eukaryotes (excluding viruses and bacteria).   Numbers exceeding 100 million or as low as 3 million.”    [ source ]  

So, here’s the summary of exert knowledge:

Number of Species

8.7 million or maybe 2.13 million or maybe 1.7 million or maybe 100 million or maybe 3 million.

Of which we are reportedly losing between 100 to 50,000 per year.

Carl Zimmer, science writer for the New York Times, gives another view of the species issue in a recent piece “What Is a Species, Anyway? — Some of the best known species on Earth may not be what they seem”.

He touches on the number-of-species issue giving:  “So far, researchers have named about 2.3 million species, but there are millions — perhaps even billions — left to be discovered.”  So, to the above summary we might have to add “or maybe billions.”

Zimmer goes on to explain:

“As if this quest isn’t hard enough, biologists cannot agree on what a species is. A 2021 survey found that practicing biologists used 16 different approaches to categorizing species. Any two of the scientists picked at random were overwhelmingly likely to use different ones.

“Everyone uses the term, but no one knows what it is,” said Michal Grabowski, a biologist at the University of Lodz in Poland.

The debate over species is more than an academic pastime. In the current extinction crisis, scientists urgently need to take stock of the world’s biological diversity.” [ NY Times as above ]

[Note:  I have touched on the species problem several times here at WUWT: for instance   “The Gray, Gray World of Wolves”  and  “Darwin — We’ve Got a Problem” ]

Zimmer is not kidding about the 16 major categories of opinions that biologists hold about the definition of what constitutes a species.  In Current Biology, Sean Stankowski and Mark Ravinet, wrote “Quantifying the use of species concepts” in which they describe the “species problem” this way:

“Dozens of species concepts are currently recognized, but we lack a concrete understanding of how much researchers actually disagree and the factors that cause them to think differently. To address this, we used a survey to quantify the species problem for the first time. The results indicate that the disagreement is extensive: two randomly chosen respondents will most likely disagree on the nature of species.”

Here is their chart (see the .pdf file for a better look):

Why do we even think about “what is a species?”  As we started out, the world is agog about species, loss of, discovery of, rediscovery of and extinction of.

Governments, national and international, have been passing laws and signing treaties dealing with the protection of species deemed threatened by or endangered by extinction.  These treaties and laws require governments to protect and save these species.

How can we determine what to save if we don’t even know what we are talking about?

In the United States, we have the famous (or infamous, opinions vary) Endangered Species Act (ESA).  It is available, in all its glory, in a .pdf file available here.   Hey, there’s a law and any lawyer (even a poor one) will tell you that laws are required to have clear-cut definitions of terms used in that law – least they be deemed “ambiguous” and in danger of being invalidated by the courts.

So, surely, the ESA defines species, right?  Let’s see…. Section 3. Definitions  — that should have it.  Here are the pertinent points of Section 3:

(16) The term “species” includes any subspecies of fish or wildlife or plants, and any distinct population segment of any species of vertebrate fish or wildlife which interbreeds when mature.

(6) The term “endangered species” means any species which is in danger of extinction throughout all or a significant portion of its range other than a species of the Class Insecta determined by the Secretary to constitute a pest whose protection under the provisions of this Act would present an overwhelming and overriding risk to man.

(20) The term “threatened species” means any species which is likely to become an endangered species within the foreseeable future throughout all or a significant portion of its range.

Wait a minute!  Surely there is a definition of “species” other than the fact that it is meant include “any subspecies of fish or wildlife or plants, and any distinct population segment of any species of vertebrate fish or wildlife which interbreeds when mature.”   We get a fine definition of “a subspecies or a distinct population” but not the primary definition of a species.

Does it matter?  Don’t all those taxonomists and biologists agree, at least generally, that a species is a population “which interbreeds when mature.”

Nope again, that is just the high-school version (ask any A-non-I chat) of what it a species is.  And, in the eyes of biologists, it only includes two of the 16 major divisions of species concepts according to Stankowski and  Ravinet :

Biological Species Concept I (BSCI) (Mayr 1942, 1995) Species are a group of interbreeding natural populations that are reproductively isolated from other such groups

Biological Species Concept II (BSCII) (Coyne & Orr 2004) Species are groups of interbreeding natural populations that are substantially but not necessarily completely reproductively isolated from other such groups

Note that it does not include the basic Darwinian definition, which is:

Darwinian Species Concept (DSC) (Jolly 2014) A species is an evolutionary lineage, or lineage segment, that is phenotypically distinguishable from all other such units and is usefully distinguished in scientific discourse.

There are 13 others, found  in Stankowski’s Supplemental Materials,  for those wishing to disappear down the species rabbit hole.

I suggest reading Carl Zimmer’s piece in the NY Times (this link should be good even if you don’t subscribe to the Times) to see what all the fuss is about.  The Mass Extinction types are worried about what will happen if they spend their time trying to figure out what a species really is:

“Thomas Wells, a botanist at the University of Oxford, is concerned that debates about the nature of species are slowing down the work of discovering new ones. Taxonomy is traditionally a slow process, especially for plants. It can take decades for a new species of plant to be formally named in a scientific publication after it is first discovered. That sluggish pace is unacceptable, he said, when three out of four undescribed species of plants are already threatened with extinction.”  [ from NY Times – Zimmer ]

How Wells can know, absent a solid working definition of “species” how many of the millions, or perhaps billions, of not-yet discovered and not-yet described “somethings we might decide to call species” are “already threatened with extinction” is a mystery to me.   I might even call that opinion unscientific.

Accounts of the  misuse of the U.S.’s ESA are widely known – like protecting the Red Wolf which is a hybrid of the Gray Wolf and Coyote as a “species” by breeding captured animals that appeared to be Red Wolves to supplement the existing but shrinking population, rejecting those with too much wolf or too much coyote genes.  This has been going on for 50 years.   More importantly, the ESA is widely used by radical environmental groups to block development projects (like pipelines) to which they object for other unrelated reasons (see the Prebles Meadow Jumping Mouse).  Readers can supply local examples.

Bottom Lines:

1.  The “Species Problem” is still going strong and is unlikely to be resolved anytime soon.

2.  That means that there will be those who take advantage of the ambiguity of species definitions to use the Endangered Species Act – ESA –  (in the U.S.) and its international counterparts to forward other agendas.

3.  The U.S. ESA is intentionally so broad that it could be conceivably be stretched to demanding protection of anthropogenically created sub-populations of rare animals and plants.  

4.  We need pragmatic reform of the U.S. ESA and re-evaluation of international treaties concerning endangered animals and plants.

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Author’s Comment:

We have had good coverage here at WUWT of the species problem and the so-called 6th Mass Extinction event from several authors including the Willis and Jim Steele.

Dr. Susan Crockford covered the Polar Bear portion of the Zimmer/NY Times article at “NY Times pushes an implausible story of polar bear evolution and what makes a species” which has just been re-posted here.

The Endangered Species Act is a well-meaning but poorly written and perversely implemented piece of legislation and is desperate for reform.   It lacks any boundaries for biological significance and pragmatic application.

Specious means:   “superficially plausible, but actually wrong.”

Thanks for reading.

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February 22, 2024 10:12 am

As for the time I was in Cactaceae, I wondered how many names a Cactus may have over the time. Allways the names changed as they were seen as a different species or sub species or for what ever reason.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 10:38 am

Wow.. I can just about read that from the moon ! 🙂

Reply to  bnice2000
February 22, 2024 11:48 am

just in case anyone is wondering what my comment was about…

when it first appeared, Kip’s comment was in some HUGE font size…

He has now fixed it 🙂

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 12:54 pm

A hint Kip,…. Cut and paste to a Notebook file, then cut and paste the text to where you want it.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 2:29 pm

My quick, easy, and unfailing fix for that problem is to copy/paste into Windows Notepad, then copy/paste from Notepad. Of course one must do that before applying any desired special formatting.

Reply to  AndyHce
February 22, 2024 3:16 pm

Yes, I meant NotePad.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 3:11 pm

If you right click your mouse to paste there is usually the option to ‘paste as plain text’.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 11:11 am

I have a lot of books about these nice plants.
What concerns the spikes, I’m with you, I have a lot of experinces wirh the one or other Opntia.
I’m very proud of seed grown Opuntia ficus indica, 7 years old and a winter hard from Texas, that flowers the 25th year in my garden, always staying outside over the year.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 12:56 pm

Snow Camel in Saudi Arabia…. from several years ago..

snow-camel
Reply to  bnice2000
February 22, 2024 1:12 pm

The TV PBS series NOVA had a program on last night that claimed to have discovered Pliocene camel DNA in NE Greenland soil. They claimed that what are accepted as adaptations to hot, sandy deserts are equally advantageous in cold, snowy environments, and therefore implied camels may have evolved in Greenland.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 22, 2024 2:38 pm

Bactrian Camels live in the deserts of Central Asia where it can be extremely cold. Their South American Cousins, the Alpaca and the Llama live in harsh high altitude environments. Camels are not a tropical species, unlike Humans.

Reply to  bnice2000
February 22, 2024 1:33 pm

Ring necked parakeet in snow, Germany

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Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 22, 2024 4:56 pm

What about the non tropical macaques of Japan

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Reply to  Duker
February 22, 2024 9:50 pm

They have their heat source

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Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 1:05 pm

My ‘favorite’ is the Sonoran Desert jumping cholla.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 5:20 pm

Sonoran Desert Jumping Cholla report. With pictures. Didn’t know about those. Thanks for the pointer. 🙂

Drake
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 23, 2024 9:18 am

Nasty critter.

While at a RV park in Tucson in the winter, walking our dog in the adjacent NP, the weather brought some rain which after a few days brought grasses, then rabbits. Our young dog then decided to chase the rabbits. The Cholla then decided to jump on our dog.

So, carry a comb and pliers, or forceps (better) when walking a dog, or even just walking, or even scarier riding a bike, in and area with cholla.

Forceps also great for porcupine encounters.

Our dog has learned about porcupines, but how can he learn about a cactus that jumps??

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Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 1:23 pm

The PDf is great, thanks for the link, I just downloaded !

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Richard Page
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 23, 2024 3:49 am

I can imagine that night-time observation of sharp-thorned cacti would have an inbuilt, painful drawback to it!

Bryan A
February 22, 2024 10:18 am

What about the mollusks?
What about the Jellies?
What about the Octopi?
No invertebrates?
Only vertebrate water life???
Oh the specists!!

Fran
February 22, 2024 10:18 am

What happens if you apply the definitions above to human populations around the globe?

Bryan A
Reply to  Fran
February 22, 2024 10:41 am

Then the invertebrate politicians don’t count as protected

Rich Borba
Reply to  Bryan A
February 22, 2024 1:03 pm
Reply to  Rich Borba
February 22, 2024 2:33 pm

and automobile insurance is under marine law

Reply to  Rich Borba
February 22, 2024 5:03 pm

In writing for the court, however, Chief Justice Tani Cantil-Sakauye said that even though the law does not use the word “insects,” sections of the law suggest that invertebrates may be grouped under the category of fish”

The appellants went for 3 cuckoo ‘species’ as well as bumblebees

“the Western, Franklin’s, Suckley’s cuckoo and Crotch’s bumblebees.”

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Bryan A
February 22, 2024 1:26 pm

Now, THAT is Funny. Thanks for the smile.

Drake
Reply to  Bryan A
February 23, 2024 9:20 am

Invertebrate politician = RINO

Jeff in Calgary
Reply to  Fran
February 23, 2024 10:03 am

That is how you get called a racist.

Tom Halla
February 22, 2024 10:22 am

Even how the number of species is estimated is beyond Byzantine. One procedure described by Steven Jay Gould was to fog a tree in a rainforest with insecticide, and see what falls out. Classify the beasties, and then repeat a few times. That makes unfounded assumptions that the trees were representative, and estimates of how widespread these beasties were compared to other species of trees. Then make estimates of how many species there are, based on these limited data points, and that your classifications of species was valid in the first place.
Which is one reason why the estimates of how many species there are vary by orders of magnitude. And why I have a very cynical opinion of claims of a mass extinction happening.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 1:28 pm

Oh, gee… another one?

Curious George
February 22, 2024 10:48 am

“Environmentalists” protesting a plan for a drinking water reservoir in East Bay Hills near San Francisco argued that local trout was an endangered species, different from trout in all other creeks.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Curious George
February 22, 2024 1:29 pm

I thought that only cool-aid was consumed there.

Neil Lock
February 22, 2024 10:49 am

For years, I have been asking environmentalists to name one species to whose extinction I have contributed, and what I did, and approximately when, to contribute to that extinction. I’m still waiting for an answer.

Neil Lock
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 11:32 am

Yes Kip, environmentalism is anti-human.

BTW, why do I now have to log in again every time I want to comment?

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 1:18 pm

Occasionally I get logged out, but it is about every couple of weeks.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 23, 2024 6:20 am

Same for me and sometimes I get logged out after I have been logged in and only notice when I try to make a comment and am told ‘comments are closed.’

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 1:16 pm

Or killed a butterfly, mid-flap, on the radiator of your car?

Bryan A
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 22, 2024 2:57 pm

Butterflies must be killed post flap instead of mid flap or else you will face the Butterfly Effect

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 1:19 pm

far far edges of environmentalism would claim that just by being part of the human race you are responsible”

Hmmm.
Rhymes with:
Original sin is the Christian doctrine that holds that humans, through the fact of birth, inherit a tainted nature with a proclivity to sinful conduct in need of regeneration.” Wikipedia

Richard Page
Reply to  David Pentland
February 23, 2024 12:06 am

It’s actually the Catholic doctrine of original sin and the act of procreation, not birth, appears to be the original sin. So the sins of the parents are conferred onto the child before it’s even born.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 2:41 pm

Indeed! It is the human race that should go extinct. From Beyond Kaczynski.

February 22, 2024 10:59 am

I would say that if they cannot interbreed and produce fertile offspring, they are clearly different species to everybody.

If they can still produce fertile offspring then the speciation process is not complete as it hasn’t reached full reproductive isolation. Nevertheless, we can consider them already different species if it is useful for us to do so.

Categorizing things is a human way of dealing with complexity. Nature doesn’t care. Nature only cares about who has offspring with whom. Therefore, other than reproductive isolation, usefulness to us is the only criterion for defining species.

Richard Page
Reply to  Javier Vinós
February 22, 2024 11:19 am

Grizzlies and Polar Bears are separate species under the Darwinian concept but, as they can produce fertile hybrids, are they separate species? Are Red Wolves a hybrid, a distinct separate species or are Coyotes and Wolves the same species? Once you start going down that route things start to fall apart.
My take is that any definition is likely to be a combination of about 4 different concepts and being able to produce fertile hybrids will not invalidate them being different species.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 2:09 pm

As the big cats in parts may be, dependig on who is father, who is mother.

sherro01
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 22, 2024 4:06 pm

KG,
Wait for the excitement when animals discover, as people have in living memory, that Mother need not be female and Father need not be male.
Stupidity rules, OK? Geoff S

Richard Page
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 23, 2024 12:14 am

Ah but the Corps is mother, the Corps is father…

Richard Page
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 23, 2024 12:13 am

Oh I know, just throwing it out there. Domestic dogs, foxes and (I think) coyotes are descended from a common ancestor which is, in turn, descended from a common ancestor of the modern wolf. How they retained the ability to interbreed among themselves is a mystery when other species, with a similar species distance, can’t interbreed with similar species. Ain’t nature both frustrating and wonderful in its complexity?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Richard Page
February 22, 2024 12:59 pm

I am quite certain that grey wolves and coyotes are distinct species. We have lots of endemic coyotes on my Wisconsin dairy farm, and occasionally in late fall early winter we get a roving wolf pack from further north. Coyotes are solitary hunters of small game and field mice. Wolves hunt in packs for big game. Wolves are about twice the size and weight of coyotes. At night, coyotes yap at the moon. Wolves howl.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 22, 2024 2:10 pm

What’s about subspecies ?

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 22, 2024 5:28 pm

A Great Dane-Chihuahua couple would have to go the IVF route to produce offspring.

old cocky
Reply to  Pat Frank
February 23, 2024 12:01 pm

No, just AI.

Reply to  old cocky
February 23, 2024 12:09 pm

Good catch. The other AI. 🙂

old cocky
Reply to  Pat Frank
February 23, 2024 5:55 pm

The original and best, as the Smith’s Crisps packets say

Richard Page
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 23, 2024 12:18 am

They are. As far as that goes, domestic dogs, foxes and (I think) coyotes are descended from a common ancestor – this group and modern wolves are descended from an ancient common ancestor. Weirdly enough, wild wolves never bark but if brought up as a cub with domestic dogs, they start barking – it seems to be a learned ability.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 22, 2024 2:07 pm

As long as their ways are still crossing…

Tom Halla
Reply to  Javier Vinós
February 22, 2024 11:24 am

Oh no! Hybridization produces new species for the purposes of the Endangered Species Act, if one accepts Red Wolves as a valid species. Those seeking to use the ESA will always be Splitters.

Reply to  Javier Vinós
February 22, 2024 2:45 pm

if it is useful for us to do so

is rather different depending on whether the consideration is scientific, general operational, or political

sherro01
Reply to  AndyHce
February 22, 2024 4:10 pm

Andy,
Passing through a publicity process and massaging by the advertising industry seem lately to be definitional requirements, be it scientific, operation or political.
Nowadays, there has to be a pathway for interested parties to extract benefits like money from the system. Geoff S

February 22, 2024 12:22 pm

How many of the current indeterminate number of species will go extinct? 100%. How many of the species that have ever lived on planet Earth have already gone extinct? Not quite 100% but close. That should mean further discussion takes a much different tack compare to what we’ve heard from the species doomsayers for so many decades. One can only hope.

Richard Page
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 23, 2024 12:21 am

I do think the 6th mass extinction event is happening but it is of bird and bat species by wind turbines, not much else.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 23, 2024 7:27 am

Or maybe it is the extinction of critical thought among the ruling class of elites.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 23, 2024 7:26 am

I am on your side there. I don’t think a lot of people understand that extinction is the end result for all species (as we define them) even though life itself continues on happily adapting and creating new species every day. Nor do people understand that most species that lived on Earth were extinct a long time ago. The point is extinction is normal and part of evolution. We should stop fixating on the idea that every lost species is an insult to nature. Extinction is part of nature. The sixth mass extinction is a mirage created to stoke fear where there should be none. Nature is thriving on planet Earth, more so since the CO2 levels in the atmosphere started trending upwards in the recent industrial age.

J Boles
February 22, 2024 12:42 pm

We are losing species twice as fast as anywhere/everywhere else, because it is warming twice as fast as anywhere else. /sarc

Reply to  J Boles
February 22, 2024 12:56 pm

Not so J Boles!
more species thrive in a warmer climate than in a cold one.”

https://phys.org/news/2016-12-temperature-biodiversity.html

Reply to  David Pentland
February 22, 2024 1:25 pm

Attenborough claimed in one of the TV series he narrated that the Tropics account for 50% of all known terrestrial species, yet only amounts to 1% of the area of Earth. That suggests that life is partial to warmth.

Rud Istvan
February 22, 2024 12:46 pm

Additional fun ‘red wolf’ factoid. After the culling from the captive breeding program, two mated pairs of ‘red wolves’ were released to the wild in the Alligator River National Wildlife Refuge on Ablemarle Sound in North Carolina. They now number over 100 there.
Why Alligator River Wildlife Refuge? Because it has neither coyotes nor wolves, so the ‘red wolf‘ remains ‘pure’.
And all the usual alarmist NGOs (WWF and such) claim the red wolves there are now threatened with species extinction from rising sea level.

Wrote it up as one of several similar ridiculae in essay No Bodies in ebook Blowing Smoke.

The most ridiculous was the extinction of the auroch in Joktow Forest in Poland via hunting in the 1600s. Except domesticated auroch number several billion. We call them cattle. And the formerly domesticated cattle on one very large old English estate have gone deliberately untended for now several hundred years and have essentially reverted to several hundred wild aurochs. No different than the feral pigs in Texas reverting rapidly to wild boars.

Curious George
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 22, 2024 3:19 pm

Just curious .. apparently domesticated animals have a brain 25% smaller than their wild counterparts. Do we know how long this process takes, and how long the reverse process takes?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Curious George
February 22, 2024 6:40 pm

Look up the difference between epigenetics and genetics. P vulgaris dry bean have the same genetics across about 14 phenotypes. , but NOT the same epigenetics as about 14 different dried bean varieties are available in your local supermarkets.
Now expand that finding to others. Understand that white beans red beans, black beans kidney beans, pinto beans, and many others are all genetically the same P. Vulgaris genetic bean plant. They only differ epigenetically in very recent selective phenotype—no variance in Darwinian genotype.
lest some don’t know google epigenetics, it is the science of learning gene expression based on where on the genome it is expressed. To vastly oversimplify, if a gene is close to the surface of the genome, it will be over expressed.
Discussed over at Judith’s long ago.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 22, 2024 9:43 pm

Lamarck was not completely wrong.

Richard Page
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 23, 2024 12:37 am

The Chillingham wild cattle are one of the Vaynol cattle breed herds, along with a Scottish and Welsh herd – they are thought to be more related to Scandinavian cattle than to ancient British cattle but the genetic studies aren’t conclusive. The myth of them being descended from ancient British forest-dwelling cattle similar to the Aurochs is probably just that, pure myth.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Page
February 23, 2024 1:20 am

Or possibly not. It’s a complicated subject, apparently, but it seems that while European cattle are descended from asian cattle, some breeds in the UK (like Highland Cattle) have some Aurochs dna as well, indicating a small amount of interbreeding and hybridisation may have occurred before the British Aurochs died out as a distinct species. As far as the little I’ve read goes, this interbreeding only seems to have happened (or survived in the animals dna) in the UK, nowhere else in Europe. All interesting stuff.

macromite
February 22, 2024 12:50 pm

Kip=> I won’t wax prolix, as is my wont, and I may have produced this quote in one of your previous postings on The Species Concept, but not much has changed since Darwin:

“I have just been comparing the definitions of species […] It is really laughable to see what different ideas are prominent in various naturalists’ minds, when they speak of ‘species’; in some, resemblance is everything and descent of little weight – in some, resemblance seems to go for nothing, and Creation the reigning idea – in some, descent is the key — in some, sterility an unfailing test, with others it is not worth a farthing. It all comes, I believe, from trying to define the undefinable.”


Charles Darwin, in a letter to Joseph Hooker, 1856.

The problem is politics, not species. Species may or may not exist in nature, but we can’t define them absolutely if they do. It is similar with ‘Genes’ – they are rarely simple Mendelian units. Nature is complex and so is politics, but they don’t mesh well.

Darwin accidentally made a relevant point about this in his Origin of Species : “Man selects only for his own good: Nature only for that of the being which she tends.” He was referring to selective breeding, but crafting laws is a form of selective writing, so I thought it apropos the ESA.

Good luck getting the ‘Endangered Species Act’ revised into something both biologically and politically meaningful.

February 22, 2024 1:02 pm

Take off outside into your garden, make a scoop with two hands and fill it with (hopefully) black-coloured damp dirt

Result: There are more individual living ‘things’ in your hands than you could take a lifetime to count.
Soooo, how many species might there be?
(If you cannot get a handle on the individuals, species-counting becomes haha specious)

Ah you say, They don’t matter because the haven’t got faces, legs, arms, wings. They aren’t cuddly fluffy nice things, they don’t look like us so they don’t matter.

The significant error in disregarding them is that they are = Life on Earth.
i.e. All the other ‘real species’ depend on them for their day-to-day and minute-by-minute existence.
They process water, nutrients and not least, the Godfather Gas to end all Godfather Gases: CO₂
And they are intensely temperature-sensitive little flowers.

But especially though, it’s the water and nutrition aspect of their lives that counts and how they interact with other things. i.e. Plants
and ultimately of course, even us.

Is it beyond the bounds of all possibility that: Deserts are = deserts because, if you did the hand-scoop test in a desert, you’d come up with a big phat zero?
Is that why deserts are = deserts?
No individuals, No species. No life. No species of ANY sort in fact.

Wonderation: Apart from the carnage that ploughs, paddies and nitrate fertiliser inflict on those little pieces of life, for today just try to get your head around what routine dosing them with an antibiotic might do for their numbers.

An antibiotic substance that is extremely persistent within the environment, contrary to what its manufacturers, Governments and naive users have always and still do claim.

How might that affect whether the places where that stuff is used (farms) become more or less ‘desert-like’ over any given period of time?
Say, from the early 70’s to present.
i.e. Might The Climate of that place change as a consequence within that time-frame?

Ladies/gentlemen, boys & girls: “For your delectation, delight and serious consideration, I give you: Glyphosate. Date: 1973 > present

Instinctively we really actually do know what’s going on and ‘Species Fixation’ is a feeble attempt to distract from a very real and deep-seated concern.
i.e. The Human Animal Cannot Lie.

But eating ever greater amounts of sugar helps in the attempt (= Magical Thinking)
On top of which, The Sugar Drug always gives you a big fat reward to tell you you did good, no matter how big was the porkie.

And what a virtuous and circular porkie it is, how we’ve made Glyphosate to be indispensable in the production of sugar.
and sod the species.
Yes there is an extinction going on and we are the self-inflicted main players

hdhoese
February 22, 2024 1:06 pm

Strange that you brought this up as I am in the process of digesting (and other related processes) the new molecular genetically derived marine fish species for a section on identifying such. There is nothing new about the new technology problem of connecting genotype with phenotype but this has raised it to a (exponentially?) new level. From the old snarky “a species is what a competent taxonomist says it is” to sensible statistical external morphological comparisons with geographic range it has now become a serious problem. New technologies always have their contorted history, so this is not unexpected especially when you codify it in law.

Freshwater fish and similar groups have been less of a problem, although a sometime imperfect isolation is usually clearer and subject to statistical and experimental analysis. Not only infertile hybrids but various developmental stages reached gave insights but marine fishes are interesting but frustrating for several reasons. For example many very similar types range from the far in the northern and also southern continents and also west to east complicated by the enormous production of pelagic larvae in most families. With the newer technologies usable in the ocean a mass of information is in process. 

In the western Atlantic species ranging both far to the north and south because of the currents, much less so on the eastern shore, have often been considered the same species, but genetic differences always present due to distance can and have been used to elevate species. One recent example are the butterfly rays (Gymnuridae) where a recent revision split what was one into northern and southern species, among another. They do not differ in external morphology, but do with some internals along with genetics. The really ‘fun’ ones are the manta/devil rays which don’t fit into jars very well and are a bit difficult to entice for domesticated reproduction but are easy to photograph and even sample tissue or place various monitors, which they probably don’t appreciate. There is some evidence of sublethal effect in sharks of which we are finding that the larger sizes have the habit of large ‘home’ ranges if you can call it that.

In the Gulf of Mexico which I’m the most concerned with, the northern offshore reef temperatures are not limiting to tropical species, but close which showed up in the 2021 freeze. In the height of glaciation some were deltas. The marginal but famous Flower Gardens Sanctuary are providing a lot of fascinating new information about which species make it there, reproduce, and so on.

I have been reading a book on Molecular Genetics for Marine Biologists but haven’t found a species definition yet.

Curious George
Reply to  hdhoese
February 22, 2024 3:42 pm

OT – “especially when you codify it in law.” Lawyers are experts in codifying stuff they don’t understand in law, creating work for generations of lawyers. Just this week, Alabama Supreme Court declared an egg to be a chicken, so resolving an ancient chicken-egg paradox.

Reply to  Curious George
February 22, 2024 5:35 pm

It’s certainly true that a fertilized chicken egg is a chicken in a very early developmental stage.

Richard Page
Reply to  Pat Frank
February 23, 2024 12:43 am

Did the Alabama Supreme Court even bother to check if it was fertilised or unfertilised, one wonders? Perhaps it was a fried or poached egg?

Reply to  Richard Page
February 23, 2024 2:44 am

I would guess that the members of the Alabama Supreme Court are a pretty hard boiled bunch but think they have scrambled this decision.

Richard Page
Reply to  Oldseadog
February 23, 2024 3:57 am

Eggsactly!

Reply to  hdhoese
February 23, 2024 1:37 am

As you just are talking about fishes.
There is a lot of discussion about the speciation of African Cichlid fishes.

Cichlid Speciation Explosion in Lake Tanganyika
Located in the heart of Africa lies the Great Rift Valley. Situated on a divergent plate boundary, this 7000 km series of trenches has fashioned a string of great lakes. The greatest of them all, Lake Tanganyika. As the second oldest lake and second largest lake by volume, Tanganyika has been an evolutionary powerhouse for the past 10 million years (Scheffel, R.L., 1980). This freshwater system has evolved to act with great resemblance to an ocean, housing a colourful assemblage of diverse species such as jellyfish, snails, sponges, crabs, turtles, and over 300 species of fish (Kelly West, 2001).

hdhoese
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 23, 2024 7:21 am

In fact the Rift Valley may be more remarkable than the ocean in some ways. There are several hypersaline areas on ocean margins with a little different chemistry, don’t know of any like this. However, many cichlids tolerate at least brackish water and turn up as exotics like one killed in the 2021Texas freeze. And, of course, Tilapia. A few US species are returning the favor elsewhere apparently riding in ship ballast water. Want to start another crisis about supersaturated water? Fish can rarely get the Bends. From a Special Issue on Air breathing Fishes.

Johannsson, O. E. et al., 2014. Air breathing in Magadi tilapia Alcolapia grahami, under normoxic and hyperoxic conditions, and the association with sunlight and reactive oxygen species. Journal of Fish Biology. 84(3):844-863, https://doi.org/10.1111/jfb.12289

Texas is stocking hybrids inland, but that is another story.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 23, 2024 8:30 am

I remember I had Cichlasoma meeki and Pterophyllum scalare, South American ones

The discusson about the explosive speciation, if I remember well, I read about some years ago, concerned endemic or not, There were different opinins about among specialists, bur I didn’t follow.

They all have, more or less, a very interesting breeding behaviour

Walter Sobchak
February 22, 2024 1:38 pm

One species of vermin that should be hunted into extinction is lawyers, especially the subspecies known as judges.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
February 22, 2024 3:03 pm

didn’t they try that after the Revolution of 76? Wasn’t very successful.

Mr.
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
February 22, 2024 3:20 pm

I saw a picture of Judge Arthur Engoron this morning.

I immediately heard a Billy Connolly voice in my head say –

“Now here is a man who, when seated at a bar and tossing peanuts into the air and catching them in his mouth,
has never missed one”

Rick C
February 22, 2024 1:59 pm

Every currently existing species is the result of evolution and the extinction of their forebearer species. We are effectively always living through a slow motion mass extinction. The five paleo so-called mass extinction events were apparently caused by massive global upsets like asteroid impacts, massive super volcanic eruptions or biologically induced climate/atmospheric changes that took millions of years – e.g. the conversion of the atmosphere from high CO2 to high O2 concentrations. Humans have caused some extinctions, but mostly inadvertently. But we’re also the only species that has actively worked to prevent extinctions.

Brad Keyes
February 22, 2024 2:06 pm

Claim: Species May Already Be Extinct

With extinctions even fewer and farther between than scientists expected, some are beginning to ask the awful question: are there any species left?

In 2016 the International Union for the Conservation of Nature famously added species to its red ‘endangered’ list, in a move one critic likened to “bolting the stable door when the horse was already extinct.”

“Twenty, 30 years ago, when the climate issue first appeared on our radar, the big question was: can we name a single species killed off by global warming?” recalls Dr Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, a Professor at the University of Queensland.

“Today it’s become: can we name a single species?

Reply to  Brad Keyes
February 22, 2024 3:06 pm

Poor Ove.. probably totally confused by the number of genders he has to remember. !

No , the question is still…. can we name a single species killed off by global warming !”

That means ones that actually existed… not model-based species.

Mr.
Reply to  Brad Keyes
February 22, 2024 3:28 pm

Is Ove still going for a dip at low tide on the mud flats at the Cairns foreshore and wondering aloud to a gawking, mystified group of Chinese tourists –

“see, all the coral here has been wiped out by global warming.
Oh, the humanity!”

hdhoese
Reply to  Brad Keyes
February 22, 2024 6:28 pm

Carlton, J. T., et al., 1991. The first historical extinction of a marine invertebrate in an ocean basin: The demise of the eelgrass limpet Lottia alveus. Biological Bulletin. 180(1):72-80. https://doi.org/10.2307/1542430
Last line of abstract. “The fact that most marine invertebrates have large effective population sizes may account for their relative invulnerability to extinction.” This was a massive death in some places of eelgrass nearly a century ago. Such grassbeds have a great diversity of species including commercial scallops, cause of death still not well understood. I suspect not a priority. Would not be surprised if it has turned up since but it was extremely specialized.

Apparently this isn’t read in marine courses anymore. Ocean is a tough place with lots of mass mortality like the 2021 Texas freeze, but tougher species are common.
Brongersma-Sanders, M. 1957. Mass mortality in the sea. In. J. W. Hedgpeth, Ed., Treatise on Marine Ecology and Paleoecology. Memoir Geological Society America. 67(1):941-1010.

February 22, 2024 3:14 pm

An astonishing report from The Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services “Nature’s Dangerous Decline ‘Unprecedented’; Species Extinction Rates ‘Accelerating’.” Whilst at first glance it’s a UN report, it turns out to be an entirely independent organisation sponsored by, amongst others, Toyota.

It screams that “The Report finds that around 1 million animal and plant species are now threatened with extinction, many within decades, more than ever before in human history.”

A cursory search finds another organisation, the International Union for Conservation of Nature’s Red List of Threatened Species (IUCN) which makes claims that only 40,000 species are on their Red List and 160,000 are threatened.

The World Wildlife Fund (WWF) finds 17 mammals critically endangered, 29 endangered, 17 vulnerable, 8 near threatened, and 12 Least concerned.

As the old joke goes: When Al Gore was young there were 7,000 Polar Bears, now there’s only 30,000 left.

sherro01
February 22, 2024 3:54 pm

For a hobby, in the 1980s my wife and I started cross breeding ornamental camellia plants, making several private trips to west China for diverse material. Even at that stage nobody could or would define a species including world-famous botanists at the noted Kunming Institute of Botany.
Talk would typically include “Experts are either lumpers or splitters and they do not like each other.” Definitions based on ability to breed were well known and simply ignored as inconvenient exceptions, like cancel culture does these days. Science it was not and science it is not now.
Similar problems are swept under carpets when “race” is used to identify groups of people with whom money can be extracted from society in the name of charity – when these groups are NOT races. There is only a human race today.
These dreadful situations arise when people who are mentally unqualified insert themselves into decision making processes like government policy formulation. The confusion over “species” and “race” is typical of the poor science discussed so often here on WUWT. Society is in a far worse state now than it was in the 1980s when we started our hunt for the gold-coloured camellia flower – and succeeded. Geoff S

sherro01
Reply to  sherro01
February 22, 2024 5:28 pm

For those more interested in beauty than confusion, here is but one of the golden camellia “species” that we i8mported from China about 1994.
Geoff S
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Reply to  sherro01
February 22, 2024 5:45 pm

Experts are either lumpers or splitters and they do not like each other.

Thanks for that, Geoff. I had to laugh.

February 22, 2024 4:32 pm

In Brazil there are two ”species” of orchid with large ranges. Where their ranges meet there is a well established hybrid swarm which interbreeds with itself and with both of the the original species.
Are these all species now with one ”new” or are none of them species or are only the two originals species and why? It is believed that almost all ”species” originated by this introgression (brought about by [constantly changing] natural external influences) at one time or another. It seems a mistake to consider nature as static (like climate scientists often think of climate)

February 22, 2024 5:13 pm

The Evolutionary Genetic Species Concept makes the most sense to me, but the Darwinian Species Concept seems to me to be the most scientifically pragmatic.

The Biological Species Concept Nos.I & II have the problem that the Australian Aborigines would have have been defined as a separate Homo species prior to arrival of the British.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 23, 2024 12:12 pm

Exactly right. Thanks, Kip. The reproductive history of the Aborigines — first isolated then conjoined — rather puts paid to the Biological Species Concept.

Brad Keyes
February 22, 2024 6:15 pm

Species are so hopelessly ill-defined that they’ve lost whatever usefulness they once had as a concept. ‘Specious’ indeed.

In this comment we propose a new taxonomic tier, the spuries (plural: spuries; adjective spurial).

observa
February 23, 2024 2:28 am

Categorizing species sounds a lot like classifying weather and climate.

Forget human individualism as woke leftists have the categorization problem licked with only TWO species and no prizes for guessing. By a chance ‘can’t make it’ the DIL has acquired 2 highly prized tickets for her and young grandaughter to attend their species get together as so eloquently described here-
The exclusionary empowerment of Taylor Swift | The Saturday Paper
(just pop in a fake email address for access and you’ve been warned)

You can’t make this up but here’s the website and picture of our all seeing all knowing biologist she wants you to see as emblematic of her-
Santilla Chingaipe
Leftys don’t do irony.

Brad Keyes
February 23, 2024 5:49 am

Morgan Phillips of The Glacier Trust wrote:

We’re very likely in the midst of a mass extinction event.… [I]t looks to me to be far too late to avoid runaway warming now.

A scientist responded:

‘There is no scientific support whatsoever for such a claim. The state-of-the-art climate model simulations used, for example, in the IPCC’s AR5 provide no support at all for a runaway warming scenario at even 4° or 5°C, let alone 3°C, which is where current policies (i.e., “business-as-usual”) are now likely taking us as we slowly begin to decarbonize the economy.

‘As for “mass extinction,” the most comprehensive study to date, published in April 2020 in the premier journal Nature, found that less than 2 percent of species assemblages will undergo collapse (what the authors call “abrupt ecological disruption”) from climate change if we keep planetary warming below 2°C.’

His name was Michael Mann.

February 23, 2024 6:57 am

I’ve got a new species of tree growing on my land in TN. The land was unoccupied for about 15 years after the house on it burned down. In what would have been the back yard, two trees grew so close together that basically their trunks merged to the point that they’re essentially one tree now.

Half of it is a poplar, the other half is birch.

I’ve been calling it the Birplar tree but that has a funny ring to it. I’d be open to other ideas.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 23, 2024 12:30 pm

Yes. The branches are intermixed so it looks like two branches from the same tree with different leaves, but each branch has it’s own distinct leaves. And yes, I’m aware that this is not actually a mixed breed tree but two separate trees just growing around each other, I was being tongue in cheek about it.

But the tree(s) is(are) real. I used to have a good picture of it, but I had a hard drive crash and lost a bunch of stuff. Next time I’m out there, I’ll try to get a decent shot of it.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 26, 2024 12:49 pm

No worries. It is very weird though. I’d owned the property for close to a year before I really figured out why the tree looked…off…

In my experience when two different trees grow so close together, one eventually chokes the other out and dominates. In this case, both parts of the tree are about the same size, so I imagine about the same age, neither became dominant so they just kind of merged into one another at the trunk level.

I’ve seen trees grow up around inanimate objects like fences and signs so that it looks like the fence or sign just passes through the tree trunk, but I’ve never seen two living trees grow into each other like that. Very unique at least to me.

old cocky
Reply to  Sailorcurt
February 23, 2024 12:08 pm

It seems to be distinctly bipoplar.

Reply to  old cocky
February 23, 2024 12:31 pm

LOL is overused so I’ll just say it. That made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

old cocky
Reply to  Sailorcurt
February 23, 2024 6:22 pm

I’m glad you enjoyed it.

One has to keep in practice with the Dad jokes.

Capt Jeff
February 23, 2024 7:27 am

And what if some critter decides to “identify itself” as a different species. This could never end!

Reply to  Capt Jeff
February 23, 2024 2:38 pm

When the “identifiers” fail to reproduce in their chosen sexual attractions, then something beyond “nature” is going on.

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