Academics Blame Lower Trust In Scientists On Everything But Bad Scientists

Reposted from William M Briggs’s Substack Science Is Not The Answer

The second sentence of the abstract of a new paper about trust in scientists, which is generally high but in some places low, provides the very reason for distrust: “Public trust in science can help decision-makers act based on the best available evidence, especially during crises such as climate change or the COVID-19 pandemic.”

“Climate change” is not a crisis, and it is absurd for scientists to claim it is. The covid panic was. But only because scientists in the name of Science first created the damned bug, and then repeatedly botched its “solutions”. What rulers and Experts did to the body politic in the name of Science would make a San Francisco bathhouse habitué blush.

Incidentally, trust in scientists, they say, and not in Science. An interesting and important distinction.

The paper is “Trust in scientists and their role in society across 67 countries” by Viktoria Cologna, Naomi Oreskes, whom we have met several times, and a legion of others. We have met, and have not enjoyed meeting, Oreskes many times before.

Like the abstract, the paper itself begins in a bizarre way: “Public trust in science provides many benefits to people and society at large.”

Yes and no. Sometimes the fruits of science provide benefits, true, but sometimes they provide harms; e.g., gain-of-lethality research and nuclear bombs. Perhaps the net, at least at the date of this writing, is a benefit, but this is unclear. To be clear we’d have to have an agreed upon definition of The Good. We would have to know the purpose and meaning of life, and how our toys and machines fit into this scheme.

Which is not the purview of science. And which, in our decaying culture, our Experts, elites and rulers never discuss.

This is important because this paper, as in most minds, production of tools and toys are conflated with science. Science is the understanding of the nature of world. Controlling the world via this understanding is not science, but something else. Confusing the two leads to scientism.

Now this paper is a mess, and there is no point taking it too seriously. The ambiguity of translating the questions asked, the state and history of country-level science education and production, culture itself, and things like this mean that absolute numbers cannot be used or compared with anything close to certainty. For instance, a picture (their Fig. 1) shows Egypt (!) and India far outpacing other countries in scientist trust. Japan and Russia are near the bottom.

Then the authors say things like this: “Societies with high public trust in science dealt with the COVID19 pandemic more effectively, as citizens were more likely to comply with non-pharmaceutical COVID-19 interventions and had higher vaccine confidence.”

No they didn’t. The USA, which Followed The Science, had one of the highest crap-out rates. Sweden, which did not, did much better.

Who really knows, though, because countries reported numbers with different levels of assiduity. Complying with idiotic and vain “non-pharmaceutical” “interventions” is a definite strike against trusting scientists. Follow the arrows on the floor or die! Wear a mask standing but not sitting or die! Break the 6 foot barrier and die!

What struck me as bizarre was this:

Trust is significantly associated with attitudes towards science. We find positive relationships between people’s trust in scientists and their willingness to rely on scientific advice and thus make themselves vulnerable to scientists, the belief that science benefits people like them, and trust in scientific methods.

Make themselves vulnerable to scientists. Drips with effeminacy and toxic femininity. Same kind of stuff you see from synodalians listening and accompanying us on our spiritual journey together. Mental sugar poisoning. Vulnerable to scientists forsooth!

We also find that science-related populist attitudes—that is, beliefs that people’s common sense is superior to the expertise of scientists and scientific institutions—are associated with lower trust in scientists.

Here’s where the scientism really creeps in. Knowing how the world works does not, in any way, tell us the best and worst ways of manipulating the world. Ordinary people can often tell when they are being shafted by Vlad The Scientist Impaler. Their commonsense solutions can work better than scientist “solutions”.

The mistake the paper makes is assuming scientists’ expertise is always better than people’s. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But never always.

Think of the scientist whose bright idea it was to put lithium in water supplies to calm the indigenous populants—and make them love scientists more? Or the scientist who wants to—and I swear this is true—shrink people to make war on “climate change.”

Scientists, even PhD-bearing mathematical prodigies, can be stupid. Because of DIE and the work, that stupidity on public display increases.

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Curious George
February 15, 2024 10:07 am

Actions have consequences. We used to have excellent scientists, now we have diverse scientists.

Scissor
Reply to  Curious George
February 15, 2024 10:35 am

Purple hair is a good indicator that that scientist can dispense with experimentation, as their conclusion has already been decided.

In my department, those that wear surgical or N95 masks today are similarly deluded.

Reply to  Scissor
February 16, 2024 7:47 am

Japan had similar rates of vaccination as the US but they wore masks all of the time and their rate of deaths from covid was only about one-ninth that of the US.

The US had about 5,280 deaths per million people, Japan had about 595 deaths per million people.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus

When people are infected with covid they are most infectious before they show any symptoms. The masks keep people from exhaling as many covid viruses into the surrounding air as they breathe.
story tip

Reply to  scvblwxq
February 16, 2024 8:23 am

Without identifying the type of mask the conclusion reached is not justified. Sweden had about half US per million and wore no masks as far as I know.

Richard Page
Reply to  Curious George
February 15, 2024 10:39 am

We used to have excellent scientists, now we have lying, cheating scumbags and some (fewer) scientists.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 16, 2024 7:49 am

The so-called “climate scientists” are the bad ones. When geologists studied the climate they at least tried to be accurate.

Ron Long
Reply to  Curious George
February 15, 2024 11:25 am

Story Tip: JP Morgan Chase and BlackRock in a “stunning” move have dropped out of the UN Climate Alliance. Maybe a little crack in the CAGW unholy alliance?

Richard Page
Reply to  Ron Long
February 15, 2024 1:45 pm

Black Rock as well? Perhaps they were told to put more in than they were taking out?

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Page
February 15, 2024 2:44 pm

Not Black Rock – they’re still part of the problem.

February 15, 2024 10:16 am

Just in case of climate change and cov-19 science lost all it’s credibility. And worked hard to follow that desructive way science has taken.

altipueri
February 15, 2024 10:19 am

On most matters scientists are no better than anybody else.

A scientist who has a PhD on why some ants have red bodies is very clever and knowledgeable in one specialism – ants, but knows little more than a well read generalist on anything else – especially climate.

And specialists in any area are liable to defend their theories even when evidence and observations reject them – it is career and reputation protection.

Hence science progresses one funeral at a time.

Scissor
Reply to  altipueri
February 15, 2024 10:38 am

It used to be that Vegas would not hold a conference or convention of chemists because chemists knew that gambling was in general a suckers game and thus they participated at a very low rate. Today, I suspect that the modern chemist is more easily fooled.

Reply to  Scissor
February 15, 2024 8:03 pm

Yes, I have amongst my friends a heart surgeon … a brilliant man of high regard … who believes anything that is ‘peer reviewed’ because authority. During the COVID period, it was impossible to discuss anything with him as he was entirely consumed by the propaganda … Even now, as credible research exposes the lies of erstwhile authoritive people and institutions, he will not accept that he was wrong.
Yes, they’re easily fooled because they want to maintain their belief in a failed and thoroughly corrupt system that has provided their authority in the past.

February 15, 2024 10:28 am

Michael Polanyi felt that science was a self-regulating process. Maybe it was when he was involved. But changes occur in every culture and we can’t help but notice that significant changes have taken place in science and its base, academic research. Just as the people that bring us the news are now a big part of the news, there’s a tendency for scientists to become more personally important than their work, which means fame and fortune, ala Einstein, whom everyone has heard of but few actually understand his discoveries..

David Wojick
Reply to  general custer
February 15, 2024 2:06 pm

I think today’s politicization of climate science may be unique in the history of science, because we are at the end of a huge social movement that has always depended on simplistic science scares, namely environmentalism. As someone once said, every social movement ultimately expires from an excess of its own principles and so it is with the greens.

The Covid scare just showed how bad pseudoscientific tyranny can get. It was a blip but environmentalism has been getting stronger for sixty years. Then they took on fire which is still the basis for civilization.

Reply to  David Wojick
February 15, 2024 3:05 pm

hmmmm… now that you mention it- the attack on ff is actually just an attack on fire and its use to improve human lives – makes sense

Tom Halla
February 15, 2024 10:38 am

“Public Health” has a long tradition of treating its audience as idiots. From venereal disease programs more interested in promoting “morality” than dealing with infectious diseases that then new drugs could cure, to never stating the actual risk of whatever behavior they wanted to denounce, Nanny State was the norm.
Fauci is the norm for Public Health, and Oreskes has a similar attitude. “Often in error, never in doubt”.

Richard Page
February 15, 2024 10:38 am

The public lost trust in politicians when they were repeatedly caught out in obvious lies, deceit and sleaze. The public lost trust in the media when they were repeatedly caught out in obvious lies, deceit and sleaze. The public is now losing trust in scientists when they get caught repeatedly indulging in lies, deceit and either sleazy behaviour. There is a common thread running through this – if you want the public trust you’ll have to earn it by telling the truth and stop all the lying, deceiving and attacking other scientists or people you don’t like in the vilest way.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 15, 2024 11:00 am

BINGO, it’s way to easy to catch climate scientists rewriting historical data. I see it’s February15th, that means NASA’s GISTEMP is probably out with their January numbers. I’ll have to see how many month’s since 1880 have been altered over the last 30 days.

Reply to  Steve Case
February 15, 2024 11:29 am

And the number of changes that GISTEMP made to their Land Ocean Temperature Index (LOTI) for January 2024 is 544 out of the 1728 months since 1880, comes to 31% This goes on every month like steady drone.

David Wojick
Reply to  Steve Case
February 15, 2024 2:09 pm

Wow! Thanks!

Reply to  David Wojick
February 15, 2024 7:46 pm

You are very welcome, I am surprised that you didn’t know that monthly changes to GISTEMP’s have been going on right along. Here’s the record that I’ve been doing for several years now:

Number of monthly Changes to GISSTEMP’s LOTI:
2003 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** *** *** *** *** *** 10 *** *** *** *** *** 18

2004 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** *** *** *** *** *** 11 *** *** *** *** *** ***

2005 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** 65 12  7 71

2006 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***

2007 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** *** 562 *** *** *** *** 165 *** *** 51 25 66

2008 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 128 71 38 55 63 110 80 43 62 77 *** ***

2009 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 383 52 32 22 32 67 144 81 123 255 94 86

2010 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 884 40 72 24 26 57 121 80 38 326 39 32 

2011 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 34 40 15 22 42 **** *** *** *** *** 538 275 

2012 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 1173 1327 395 275 711 281 457 1336 554 427 440 1461

2013 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***

2014 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec
**** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** 1067 *** *** 332

2015 Jan Feb Mar Apr May June Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** *** *** 665 373 867 1472 750 501 588 531 566 540 

2016 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 769 661 516 *** *** 680 400 921 515 362 429 400

2017 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 420 474 387 347 320 655 409 410 555 830 389 313 

2018 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 467 426 458 953 879 429 595 281 439 405 755 789

2019 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 843 370 481 633 1359 566 281 400 674 284 284 341

2020 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 319 240 313 340 298 404 319 370 303 389 381 370

2021 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 330 468 338 256 497 348 267 217 285 291 375 277

2022 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 291 243 252 401 346 261 545 326 432 175 274 310

2023 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 365 236 345 248 238 384 371 251 380 369 293 311

2024 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
**** 544                    
I am stacase and have a hotmail address, if you’d like the file of LOTI monthlies give me a jingle.

chascuk
Reply to  Steve Case
February 16, 2024 12:48 am

Very interesting. Thanks

February 15, 2024 10:54 am

Many liberals behave like unintelligent women.
1. No accountability
2. Motivated by feelings, not facts
3. Holding demonstrably false beliefs
Did I mention no accountability?

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Shoki
February 15, 2024 11:21 am

Writer (male) being asked how he gets his female characters so spot on.

I think of a man, then take away accountability.

Jack Nicholson in As Good as it Gets.

alastairgray29yahoocom
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 15, 2024 11:50 am

They will just love you in the temples of Woke Ed Nice witticism so come on girls! Roast this dinosaur

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 15, 2024 2:49 pm

As a cis-gendered heteronormative male and an observer of American society, I can tell you women think the same about us.

Reply to  More Soylent Green!
February 15, 2024 3:09 pm

and never the twain shall meet

M14NM
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 15, 2024 10:15 pm

…and reason.

Richard Page
Reply to  Shoki
February 15, 2024 11:24 am

That’s a misogynistic take on it – unintelligent men behave in much the same way and, often, far worse.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 15, 2024 1:43 pm

No, those are unintelligent, feminine males, not men.

Richard Page
Reply to  Shoki
February 15, 2024 1:50 pm

No those are unintelligent men who have all the morals and responsibility of an alley cat (behave like it too), are only interested in how they feel and satisfying their lusts and desires. I’ve seen it in the idjits we got in the supported housing projects I used to work in – some of the men were worse than the women.

Reply to  Shoki
February 15, 2024 3:07 pm
  1. hysteria
mikeq
February 15, 2024 10:57 am

Trust is not an entitlement.
Trust cannot be compelled.
Trust must be earned.
Trust is very fragile.
Trust must be constantly maintained by remaining truthful and trustworthy.
Once lost, it is exceedingly difficult to regain,and will never be regained in full.

The referenced paper is imbued with an arrogant presumption of entitlement of trust:

“While science is generally held in high esteem, its epistemic and cultural authority has been challenged by mis- and disinformation, historical failings of science, an alleged “reproducibility crisis”, conspiracy theories, and science-related populist attitudes. Science-related populism has been conceptualised as a perceived antagonism between ‘the ordinary people’ and common sense versus academic elites and scientific expertise. Unlike political populism, which criticises political elites and their political power claims, science-related populism criticises academic elites, challenges their decision-making authority in scientific research, and suggests that their epistemic truth claims are inferior to the common sense of ‘the people’. Anti-science attitudes, even if held by only a minority of people, raise concerns about a potential crisis of trust in science which could challenge the epistemic authority of science and the role of scientists in supporting evidence-based policymaking.”

alleged “reproducibility crisis”? That particular allegation is very well documented.

No mention of scientific frauds or errors, nor of discoveries that have completely overturned prior settled science consensus, or the dogged refusal of many scientific experts to acknowledges the uncertainties that exist in their field.

And outside their field of expertise, their opinion is no better than anyone else’s.

No one trusts an arrogant SOB.
.

Reply to  mikeq
February 15, 2024 11:10 am

It’s also imbued with a two-page list of what appears to be at least 800 coauthors. What was it the W.E. (I think) said about the value of a paper being inversely proportional to the number of coauthors? I think this is a textbook example.

Hivemind
Reply to  Phil R
February 15, 2024 3:10 pm

I think that it was inversely proportional to the square of the number of coauthors.

Reply to  Hivemind
February 15, 2024 3:54 pm

I’ll buy that. That’s even worse.

mikeq
Reply to  Phil R
February 15, 2024 7:13 pm

Tut tut tut, such negativity.
The negative vibes disturb my cool!

I urge you to be more positive, instead of “worse” say “much more accurate”.

See? Doesn’t being positive help?

Reply to  mikeq
February 16, 2024 10:38 am

“The referenced paper is imbued with an arrogant presumption of entitlement of trust”

That’s Naomi Oreskes for you.

David Wojick
February 15, 2024 11:13 am

The real flaw is that strong belief in a false hypothesis is not expertise. They are using the term expert in a way that implies that what that person believes is true. So if it is false, as withAGW, they are not expert. It is a semantic trick.

alastairgray29yahoocom
Reply to  David Wojick
February 15, 2024 11:55 am

You are too wogickal for the crazy world of the wicked witch wereskes and her screeching coven of 800 wittering walkyries

David Wojick
Reply to  alastairgray29yahoocom
February 15, 2024 2:11 pm

Sad but true.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  alastairgray29yahoocom
February 15, 2024 3:08 pm

What bugs the likes of Oreskes is the irrefutable fact that the vast majority of important scientific discoveries including the past century have been by men either as individuals or in collaboration.

Ed Zuiderwijk
February 15, 2024 11:26 am

A man has to know his limitations (Harry Callahan). Especially when he claims to be scientist.

alastairgray29yahoocom
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 15, 2024 11:58 am

You are not suggesting that the hideous screeching Oreskes is a scientist are you. How winked of you!

February 15, 2024 11:57 am

Just a corollary of Lord Acton’s famous axiom:

‘Power corrupts (science), and absolute power corrupts (science) absolutely’.

February 15, 2024 12:06 pm

I’ll properly recount the tale of my recent house sale one of these days and its very similar to what’s going on here.

In a nutshell, some Irish Travellers, in their inimitable ‘entitled’ way of thinking had determined that My House was Their House and it was only a formality before they moved in.
The fact that the Head Honcho Traveller wanted the house yet hadn’t the guts to come see me himself made all the more comical. ##
So he sent around a minor gang (one at a time, weeks apart) of young men claiming to be his son and that they wanted the house for their ( haha: non travelling) wife and children.
They all claimed they were ‘cash buyers’ and could prove as much by escorting me to a Hole-in-the-Wall machine. Yeah right, who keeps 6 figure sums of cash (folding things) in a hole in the wall

Their purchasing technique was exactly as per the story here:
They’d simply arrive, plonk unannounced, and proceed to list endless things that were wrong not only with my house but with me myself I.
They launched A Perfect Anti-Charm Offensive – ‘offensive’ being the operative

And when I said ‘No, you can leave now“, it was they who were mortally wounded

That’s exactly what we have in this story innit, they really do think they can win people around by insulting their intelligence and behaviours.
Climate is NOT the problem in this world, not by a long shot

## Head Honcho did eventually turn up, shouting my name and demanding ‘where am I’
I said nothing and let him find me, he had to search the entire ½acre ‘wrap around’ garden before he did.
He accused me of being ‘hard
I said nothing and he stormed off – they never bothered me ever again.
(Basic troll dispersion tactic = don’t feed them, don’t rise to the bait and they simply cannot handle it)

Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 15, 2024 3:16 pm

or put NRA stickers on your windows and doors
(National Rifle Association)

February 15, 2024 12:11 pm

Oreskes. Enough said.

antigtiff
February 15, 2024 12:32 pm

Hmmmmm, no mention of Mann…….maybe that lawsuit thing?

Reply to  antigtiff
February 15, 2024 1:34 pm

Mann is NOT a scientist .! He is a data abuser.

Bob
February 15, 2024 1:12 pm

“The paper is “Trust in scientists and their role in society across 67 countries” by Viktoria Cologna, Naomi Oreskes, whom we have met several times, and a legion of others”

These people are pathetic, shamelessly putting themselves up on a pedestal for the rest of us to worship. Demanding I trust them, yeah that ain’t gonna happen. These people are confusing education and training with knowledge and wisdom. Education and training are meaningless without knowledge and wisdom. Education and training can be used for good or bad. There is nothing noble about using your education and training for bad.

No mention of agendas political or otherwise. It should surprise no one here that I am not a fan of command and control economies or societies. What these people are demanding of us is to put our trust in the experts, the leaders, those with the most training and education. Societies like that have been tried over and over, they don’t work.

These guys have an agenda and I don’t buy into it, They can take a hike,

Reply to  Bob
February 15, 2024 1:51 pm

LOL.

How many authors is that.. ???

And probably all from the “social” never-was-science area.

I doubt any of them have the least idea what real science is actually about…

….so for them to say, “trust in science”, is a about as meaningful as a chihuahua yapping behind a 6ft fence.

And a hint.. the more you try to get involved in politics to push your slimy anti-human agendas..

… the LESS people will trust you.

Chris Hanley
February 15, 2024 1:33 pm

We have met, and have not enjoyed meeting, Oreskes many times before 

Naomi Oreskes Why trust science?, Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2019:

“Oreskes’s answer for when to trust science is grounded in feminist social epistemology of science … Oreskes’s position is that scientific claims are trustworthy when they reflect a consensus in scientific communities that is structured in the right way-for example, by being diverse … Trust in science for Oreskes is rooted in science’s social character” and so on.

Consensus let alone “feminist social epistemology” have nothing to do with science.

There is ample historical evidence that consensus is very often antithetical to science.

0perator
Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 15, 2024 1:51 pm

Good grief. What a pile of rubbish!

old cocky
Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 15, 2024 4:21 pm

“Oreskes’s answer for when to trust science is grounded in feminist social epistemology of science … Oreskes’s position is that scientific claims are trustworthy when they reflect a consensus in scientific communities that is structured in the right way-for example, by being diverse … Trust in science for Oreskes is rooted in science’s social character”

BINGO!

M14NM
Reply to  Chris Hanley
February 15, 2024 10:27 pm

Why do so many of these AGW nutcases look like a bags of hammered s**t? Must be something in their water.

Richard Page
Reply to  M14NM
February 16, 2024 12:20 am

Not enough meat in their diet, it’s not healthy. Most of them are either vegan, vegetarian or reducarian (reducing the amount of meat they consume to very little).

February 15, 2024 1:57 pm

Trust is significantly associated with attitudes towards science. We find positive relationships between people’s trust in scientists and their willingness to rely on scientific advice and thus make themselves vulnerable to scientists, the belief that science benefits people like them, and trust in scientific methods.

Maybe I don’t understand what they mean here, but, if “We find positive relationships between people’s trust in scientists … the belief that science benefits people like them…” is true, then why are there so many stories of “climate anxiety” and useful idiots being driven to gluing themselves to roads and wasting tomato soup?

Hivemind
February 15, 2024 1:59 pm

A very relevant quote I just found: “There is no belief, however foolish, that will not gather its faithful adherents who will defend it to the death.Isaac Asimov

Very apt for the global warming worshipers.

February 15, 2024 2:01 pm

Academia is a significant component of the Government Class. They think what the Government want them to think. They foster the Government propaganda. It is a cosy virtuous cycle of support. They have the power to create money and pay themselves whatever they think they can get away with while sucking the life out of the real economy through inflation and red tape.

In Australia, the recent Voice referendum, Canberra (ACT) was the only State or Territory that voted yes. This is how far out of touch the Government Class is with the community. Washington (DC) voted 95% for a senile politician over an incumbent President who had achieved significant economic wins. In fact, the USA still has lower cost electricity than the rest of the west due to Trump delaying the UN inspired insanity.

Anyone promoting consensus in science is not a scientists. There are a large number of unprincipled academics who claim to be scientists.

February 15, 2024 2:05 pm

“Real science “ died somewhere back around approximately the early sixties. What we have now is a continuation of pop culture/ pop science BS that took over in the late sixties. Good luck to all- half the population is dumber than a box of rocks now- there is no “ soft landing” coming for our societies at this point- too late.

taxed
February 15, 2024 2:19 pm

l have certainly lost trust in the day time temp data that AWS’s record.
As they have been a god send for the climate science lobby to cook the books and to claim a rate of warming over the last 45 years that simply does not exist.

MarkW
February 15, 2024 3:32 pm

Nuclear bombs ended WWII, saving 100’s of thousands of lives, both American and Japanese.
Since then, fear of nuclear weapons have kept the cold war from going hot. Once again saving many lives.

At worst, nuclear weapons are a mixed bag.

February 15, 2024 3:54 pm

When scientists become political activists their “science” connection evaporates into thin air. Just like water does. The fact that they don’t realize this when claiming their occupation carries more weight than a garbage collector’s opinion is what causes the distain. They earned it.They can learn to live with it.

February 15, 2024 7:24 pm

Why do academics think that they’re all scientists ?

Richard Page
Reply to  Streetcred
February 16, 2024 2:05 am

The same reason why some of the trolls here don’t know the difference between academic qualifications and scientific credentials – academics have been corrupting scientific and academic studies, blurring the lines, to make themselves and their work seem far more important.