Essay by Eric Worrall
The study authors suggest “top down interventions” will be required.
‘Doom and gloom’ don’t change stubborn climate change denial
By Dan Holmes
Friday February 9, 2024Climate change denial remains difficult to challenge despite the scientific consensus and availability of information.
A new behavioural science study suggests this means governments need to put more attention to “top-down” approaches to addressing climate change.
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While some did change behaviour, this varied based on country, initial climate beliefs, and which outcome was being measured. For instance, “doom and gloom” climate communications made people more likely to share climate information, but less likely to plant trees.
“Negative emotion induction intervention appeared to backfire on policy support among participants with low initial climate beliefs,” they said.
“These results suggest that climate scientists should carefully consider the differential effects of the prevalent fear-inducing writing styles on different pro-climate outcomes.”
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“Top-down change might need to be prioritised to achieve the emissions reduction necessary to stay within safe planetary limits for human civilisation.
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Read more: https://www.themandarin.com.au/239189-doom-and-gloom-dont-change-stubborn-climate-change-denial/
The abstract of the study;
Addressing climate change with behavioral science: A global intervention tournament in 63 countries
MADALINA VLASCEANU , KIMBERLY C. DOELL , JOSEPH B. BAK-COLEMAN , BORYANA TODOROVA, MICHAEL M. BERKEBILE-WEINBERG, SAMANTHA J. GRAYSON, YASH PATEL, DANIELLE GOLDWERT, YIFEI PEI, […], AND JAY J. VAN BAVEL +248 authors Authors Info & Affiliations
SCIENCE ADVANCES
7 Feb 2024
Vol 10, Issue 6Abstract
Effectively reducing climate change requires marked, global behavior change. However, it is unclear which strategies are most likely to motivate people to change their climate beliefs and behaviors. Here, we tested 11 expert-crowdsourced interventions on four climate mitigation outcomes: beliefs, policy support, information sharing intention, and an effortful tree-planting behavioral task. Across 59,440 participants from 63 countries, the interventions’ effectiveness was small, largely limited to nonclimate skeptics, and differed across outcomes: Beliefs were strengthened mostly by decreasing psychological distance (by 2.3%), policy support by writing a letter to a future-generation member (2.6%), information sharing by negative emotion induction (12.1%), and no intervention increased the more effortful behavior—several interventions even reduced tree planting. Last, the effects of each intervention differed depending on people’s initial climate beliefs. These findings suggest that the impact of behavioral climate interventions varies across audiences and target behaviors.
Read more: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adj5778
I’m surprised it took a study to verify the premise that stepping up the doom and gloom will not persuade people who think the climate crisis is nonsense.
If you don’t believe in the tooth fairy, would stepping up the doomsday rhetoric persuade you to put your teeth under the pillow?
The alternative, “top down interventions”, in my opinion is rather threatening, the velvet being stripped from the steel fist. We’re going to make you put your teeth under the pillow, and if you refuse, you’ll have lots of spare teeth?
May I suggest to these psycho-ologists, that they actually go and learn some science before making further comments.
I suppose they just want to “get in on the act/scam”
But a bunch of psycho-ologists making stupid yapping noises, isn’t going to convince anyone.
Keep your stupid interventions to yourself… what bunch of clowns !!
Perhaps the Climate Clowns and their XR Minions should simply lead by example rather than by Diktat.
Stop flying to exotic destinations for Climate Meetings (COPs) when Zoom Meetings work well
Stop using Private Jets when Commercial Airlines fly to the same airports
Stop flying all together until Battery Aviation can cross the oceans
Stop using Diesel powered shipping and ocean transportation
Stop using power sourced from the grid propped up by FF.
Strictly Solar + Battery and Wind at home or office
No synthetics or plastics
No Rubber Tires
No Asphalt
No Concrete
Trade in ALL Gas/Diesel ICE cars for battery equivalent
Stop eating meats…eat bugs imstead
Grow their own plant food without pesticides or ammonia based fertilizer
or perhaps quit their denying that wind and solar is a 40 yearlong failed experiment and simply endorse small scale modular nuclear..
Go for it, Dennis! And double-down with the modular reactors serving as desalinization plants along coastal sites. Los Angeles, are you listening?
I was in Home Depot yesterday and some guy was standing in the aisle, wearing an apron, looking for all the world like one of those people in Costco giving away food samples (do they still do that? Been a while since I’ve been in a Costco) but this guy was giving away brochures on solar power. I said the idea of free solar power was a hoax. He said the sun shines for free. I just walked away. Thought of saying oil in the ground is free too, it’s spending money and time which makes it useful, and solar panels aren’t free. But he was just a sad sack being paid to give away brochures.
Marxism has been failing for over 140 years and that has used lying (propaganda), violence, imprisonment, murder to try and get it’s way and it’s still being promoted.
Yes, and if anyone rational ever gets political power (unlikely), we should make a “top-down intervention” that requires them to live together in communes in which their rules are strictly enforced. And thus to show whether “sustainable development,” in the real world, is sustainable or not.
…Bryon, all of the above and stop trying to put my money where your mouth is, and then lets have a debate, not a dictaorship.
What does planting trees have to do with advancing the cause of Communism?
The “psycho-ologists” ironically are caught in the Romantic Lie and fail to recognize that they are caught in a Mimetic Double Bind that will inevitably lead to a crisis. It is those engaged in empathic disruption (the outspoken skeptics they want to draw into their cult) who they want to be forcibly coerced into accepting their models without selling it first as a desire.
Translation:
These idiots don’t even understand the primitives of propaganda because they are too easily deceived, themselves by it – thus they cowardly resolve to outsourcing brute force on those who can see.
Planting trees, like wearing masks (or red armbands with twisted crosses) is ritualistic behavior designed to reinforce the credulity of true believers and make non-believers more amenable to the cult.
I would not underestimate the danger from psychologists. These people are capable of instilling fear in a large proportion of the population. To make people willing to demonize and forego the humanity of their neighbors, even their own family members. People who are able, and willing, to do this are capable of unleashing almost unimaginable suffering. They can make people commit atrocities, and have them think themselves virtuous as they do so.
Psychological Interventions Do Not Work on Climate Skeptics
Now that’s a real No Duh moment
It’s easier to use psychology to fool the weak minded liberal trained in Liberal Arts but far more difficult to try and fool a stronger minded individual schooled in Critical Thinking
Psychological interventions? Do they mean “scare tactics”?
No, they mean brain washing. There is no other kind of psychological intervention.
“And I’ll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats. They’re coming to take me away haha hehe hoho.”
Do Your walls have Buttons???
My walls Had Buttons…but I ate them😁
Can’t agree entirely, doonman, the scare tactics worked too damned well here in the UK during lockdown.
“Climate change denial remains difficult to challenge”
…. because “Climate Change™” is built on a bed of sloppy non-science quicksand.
There is very little, if any, solid science to support it.
I find that if I wish to strengthen my conviction that climate alarmism is wrong, one good way is to simply read the journal articles that people cite and analyze the logic, the data, the physical reasoning, (or lack thereof, often enough) and so forth. (If desiring really good examples of bad science, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences tends not to have a shortage.)
My heuristic feeling is that ‘climate science’ has a shortage of good accountants (for the energy balances), competent statisticians (for determining significance and sticking to real test statistics), in addition to skilled engineers and control theorists. I also find that the more knowledge I have of an overlapping area, the less coherent whichever claims falls in that domain seem to be.
I’m not quite sure where to go from there, where it’s a question of just how wrong the paradigm is.
“I find that if I wish to strengthen my conviction that climate alarmism is wrong, one good way is to simply read the journal articles…”
I’m no scientist- but thanks to reading everything in WUWT for the past several years- if I read those journal articles- I can almost always see defects in the “logic, the data, the physical reasoning”. I might not be able to explain these failures as well as people here- but at least I do notice them because I have a sense of how people here will react to those articles.
When I first started reading WUWT, I had no clue about the discussions. Now at least I have a clue.
Getting a Clue is the second step in the Right Direction… and why Liberals are always headed in the Left Direction
Top down.
Sounds a lot like dictatorship.
It is obvious that what is needed is Government run Climate Re-education camps. Let’s ask the CCP for help.
And after they have all been to Room 101
we can amend Orwell’s “1984” to show the last line as:
“He loved Big Climate”.
camps … CCP; +1
Oh for crying out loud – a downvote for that? Are you kidding me? Do you know about the plight of the Uyghurs in Chyna?
Downvotard – I was underscoring the propensity of the CCP to use the barbarity of camps today, in the year of our Lord 2024, against people living now on this earth.
I supposed they chopped off one C from CCCP.
We have some members who won’t tolerate any criticism of Russia or China.
“And after they have all been to Room 101”
Love that picture at the top of this article! Very descriptive of a possible future.
This week has really shown that there’s little hope left for liberty. The legal system has been totally co-opted and politicized. The fall of the United States of America is on the verge of completion.
The deep state is apparently going to attempt to shamelessly commit fraud to re-elect a braindead hack traitor criminal stand-in puppet for the communist anti-American cabal led by Obama. Just as he was foisted on us the first time.
They shamelessly expect us to swallow failing to charge Dementia Joe with the same crimes his (in-)Justice Department is prosecuting against his political opponent. They will shamelessly expect us to accept that the Cadaver-in-Chief wins by whatever number of fraudulent mail-in ballots it takes this time. Or worse yet, they are planning to use their fraudulent methods to install Moochelle Obama.
Those of us who refuse to bend the knee to Climastrology will increasingly be oppressed and have our freedom of speech eliminated through sham libel suits and other intimidation schemes. The execrable fraud Mann is now going to continue with frivolous corrupt lawfare.
It’s a dark time.
A couple of huge differences.
1) Biden told nobody he had taken the documents. Trump told the FBI that he was taking the documents.
2) Biden kept many of the documents in cardboard boxes in his garage. Trump followed the security measures that were recommended by the FBI.
3) Biden had no legal authority to take the documents that he did (He took some of them as vice president and some back when he was senator). Under the Presidential Records Act, Trump had a legal right to possess the documents he possessed.
But, but… he’s well-meaning and umm
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whatever, God save the Queen man.
The Special Counsel report said they were not going to prosecute Biden for “the good of the country”!
Can you believe that!?
They won’t say that about Trump.
Trump’s classified documents charges are completely false, and unconstitutional since the law allows a president to do what Trump did, and Trump was in negotiations with the Biden administration about the classified documents and who got to keep what, when out of the blue, the Biden “Justice” Department raided Trump’s home like he was a common criminal. All for show. All to create a False Narrative that Trump was obstructing the negotiations.
The U.S. Supreme Court will straighten this case out. The Biden administration doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on here, although, of course, they claim they do. Again, all for show because they have nothing else.
They are desperate to nail Trump with something to keep him out of the White House and they are throwing everything they can think of out there and making up novel versions of laws in the process.
Trump says if he is elected he will definitely reform the U.S. Justice Department.
Trump should sack every Clinton, Obama and Biden appointee in the Justice Department.
Can I believe that?
Of course, Tom!
I am fully prepared to believe the worst about the current illegitimate regime.
Trump should completely re-staff the [D]OJ.
Biden wasn’t President when he took his documents…
Senator Biden took documents
VP Biden also took documents
All illegal. And the Special Counsel says Biden knew what he was doing was illegal, but he did it anyway. Biden willfully broke the law.
Biden had notes on Presidential Briefings during the Obama administration which is Top Secret information. This was sitting around in his garage and various other places including Biden’s, Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement at the University of Pennsylvania, funded generously by the Chinese communist party.
The Special Counsel says Biden is guilty as hell of mishandling classified information but for the good of the country, they won’t prosecute him.
The Special Counsel has special insight into what is good for the country, apparently.
Abe Lincoln told him he could have the documents. Then he flew off.
The “camps” will be a one-way trip. The Davos/WEF types want to dramatically reduce populations, and if they acquire the power to send us to “camps” they won’t stop with mere re-education.
I would bet that most of the authors favor abortion and castration, especially when applied to the vulnerable in the U.S.
Also euthanasia.
They are trying to figure out how to brainwash us better.
It’s not going to work because we are on to them. We know what they are up to. 🙂
It’s not about science.
I think what they’re saying is that they have exhausted brainwashing’s practical limits. The remaining holdouts – those of us ‘on to them’ – will simply need to be put to death or at least terrorized into submission. That’s what is meant by top-down. Authoritarianism on the rise.
Yeah, “top-down” sounds pretty sinister.
I guess they figure we will just roll over.
LOL!
aaaaand bohica
Abstract
.and there you have it in a nutshell. CAGW has nothing to do with “science”. The veneer of alleged “science” is simply an overlay to the real elite’s globalist agenda.
248 authors — lol!!
“248 authors —”
Probably only a couple of authors.
It would be far better to split the names into two categories “Authors” and “Data contributors”
It would be far better to split the names into two categories “Authors” and “
Data contributorsrent seekers”According to Willis E’s “First rule of authorship” (Paper Quality = 1/(Number of authors squared), this paper gets a score of 0.000015 out of 1. I think at that level reading it actually makes you dumber.
You beat me too it
It is a means of mass elevating mindless, ideological, drones to the status ‘Climate Scientist’ with peer-reviewed papers in respectable journals. It has been going on for some time, but I have never seen a figure so big.
I scanned through the list of authors and decided that my favorite is FONDA JANE AWUOR. It seems that this article is the only publication, at least in Science, for most of the authors, for whatever that is worth.
It would be interesting to know who initiated the effort of drafting this paper, as well as how it was developed and edited.
You didn’t find “M. Mouse” in there too, by any chance?
No, not in Science but in the misnamed (online only?) publication ScienceAdvances.
This is Science as much as the IRA is to Reduce Inflation
Here’s a suggestion to the authors of this “paper”: if you want to convince us “deniers” that CAGW is real, you could always try presenting actual physical evidence to support your hypothesis rather than attempting to manipulate us psychologically.
“Deniers” is an interesting word. What are we supposed to be denying? None of our accusers really know, they all come up with different answers if one asks the queastion. Personally, I deny that I’ve been convinced by any of their BS.
It is a deliberate libel, trying to associate doubters in CAGW with neoNazi holocaust deniers.
They don’t have any evidence. That’s why they are having this problem with convincing skeptics.
The problem for the climate alarmists is they *do* think they have evidence that CO2 is dangerous, so they don’t feel like they need to present it as an argument. They assume it is true, and expect the rest of us to assume it is true, too, and when we don’t, based on lack of evidence that CO2 is anything other than a benign gas, they think we are having a mental problem rather than a lack-of-fact problem.
Their efforts to convince us don’t contain any facts so we remain unconvinced.
They are the ones with the misunderstanding, not the skeptics.
But but but what about the children??? You haven’t said a word about the children.
For Your Climate Laugh of the Day; Humans are literally changing the color of the planet. Scientists are worried. story tip
https://www.vox.com/down-to-earth/2024/2/7/24057308/earth-global-greening-climate-change-carbon?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us
“Carbon dioxide is not only a pollutant but a fertilizer”
This shows the mentality of those who wrote the page.
from that link
OMG, the Earth has gangrene- it must by dying- we gotta stop this horrible tragedy. /sarc
More forests is a “dire consequence”?
The alarmists are always bullying us to go green, but now are complaining that the world is greener???😱
Story tip.
>Turbulence is crucial for mixing heat and nutrients throughout the ocean. Previous research largely shows that the turbulence animals cause living their lives isn’t enough to substantially mix the layers of the ocean’s water column. But Castro’s study—which was published in 2022 and won a 2023 Ig Nobel Prize for humorous, thought-provoking scientific achievement—shows that within ocean layers, anchovy spawning causes significant, if subtle, swings in temperature. This finding suggests that in shallower water, the ruckus produced by plentiful piscine participants procreating all at once might be more powerful and more important for ocean mixing than previously thought.
https://hakaimagazine.com/news/anchovy-sex-is-a-force-of-nature/
I stopped reading after “scientific consensus”.
I just read a 700 page biography of Albert Einstein. I can confirm he never used that phrase and never sued any of the countless people who criticized him.
That’s because Einstein was too busy thinking and doing research, etc., and had no ability to waste time checking his ‘socials’ or public image.
We had some of this style during the pandemic. It won’t be so easy next time
Once this gets out it’s going to be impossible.
Rubbery, fibrous ‘cast’s up to three feet long being found in arteries of 25% of deaths. 100% of the victims had accepted one or more mRNA covid interventions according to one scientist (different video).
Don’t know who these people are, but the claim appears to be that 25% of deaths (maybe its only sudden deaths?) handled by a funeral director somewhere in southern England are characterized by the presence of these fibroid clot-like strings in veins and arteries. The funeral director (assuming he really is one) claims that these are the cause of death because the arteries or veins get blocked and this leads to heart failure.
These fibroids have only been observed since the introduction of Covid vaccines, and in the view of the interviewee are caused by them.
Well, don’t know. Looked up here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths
and can see no sign of the level of excess mortality that the theory would require. Maybe I am missing something? It would be nice to start with knowing who these people are…. How many excess deaths are there? A proper analysis of trends.
re: “It would be nice to start with knowing who these people are…. How many excess deaths are there? A proper analysis of trends.”
THEREIN lies the rub; if you viewed the above video, you would find that those in charge are throwing sand in the works by sand-bagging efforts to accrue data, survey data even, towards some objective ‘fact’ finding. When the suppression of the taking of a simple survey is the order of the day from the directors of ‘trade associations’ et al, what is the take-away? That someone is afraid of finding out ‘the truth’?
Like most people I have lived through the pandemic. As with most people, everyone I know (and my own family) has been vaccinated, several times, and I am pretty sure all have had at least one MRNA shot. I know, all the same, of several infections, but they were none of them life threatening, and only one was bad, comparable to a bad bout of flu.
On the other hand I know of half a dozen deaths, maybe more, in the community. But they all occurred before vaccination became available.
If there has been a wave of post vaccination deaths caused by this fibroid clotting condition, I would know about the deaths at least. There has been no such wave. Also at the moment, the pandemic appears to be over.
O’Looney argued earlier that Covid was just a winter cold. So he might argue that the lack of deaths is quite normal, and that it would have been the norm if not for the vaccinations. However this argument had a hole shot in it when he contracted this supposed winter cold, got hit hard, and ended up in hospital, thus gaining first hand experience of what he was ponitificating about.
I’ve had 5 covid shots. I must be in trouble! But, I’m in pretty good shape for a 74 year old dude. I can still easily walk 10 miles in rough terrain and do 40 miles on my mountain bike. Not worried about it.
That’s 5 obviously because … Unlike Polio … The Covid shot is ineffective at maintaining immunity. They simply don’t work.
Makes sense. I can still see the pinpricks from my polio shot- back in ’55 or so. Once and only once.
I think you mean smallpox Joe, but the same idea.
Hopefully the covid shots are just worthless money grabs by Big Pharma rent-seekers and not as bad as some people are claiming.
My daughter got covid twice, a year apart, despite being fully-vaxed early on. They are obviously ineffective and arguably dangerous.
I refuse to take the risk with them going forward (3 times is my limit).
#me too
I still have that small round scar on my upper arm from my 1 and only smallpox vaccination
Some vaccines are permanent. Some require boosters. Tetanus for example you are supposed to re-take every 5 years or so.
Joseph,
I’m older than you and only have 4 Covid shots. I’ve stopped working on hiking trails in the mountains — I can’t hike like the young folks anymore but I helped train dozens, so the trails still get fixed.
I ignore all the anti-vaccination for Covid stuff. Early on I learned of the “Base Rate Fallacy” and realized this was a big reason people struggle with this topic. Still, whether we talk peanuts, shellfish, ragweed, or Covid shots — a small percentage will have issues.
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No, you shouldn’t be in trouble, assuming the jabs were safe and effective.
However, had you watched, or paid attention to the video, you would have heard John O’Loony say that it seems random amongst the vaccinated, but no cases amongst the unvaccinated.
Dr. JohnCampbell (interviewing) stated that this is a new pathology. No one has ever seen it before. It only emerged in 2021 following the roll out of covid vaccines.
Correlation is not, of course, causation however correlation is the foundation of most scientific investigation.
The problem is, governments around the world are deliberately ignoring, indeed obstructing anyone calling for an investigation into this or excess deaths following mRNA covid interventions.
This is precisely what climate sceptics have faced for the last 50 years.
Are you really suggesting that because you feel fine, this issue should just be ignored? We both feel fine with the state of the climate, but we still get on board with objecting to the lies and obstructive behaviour our governments and scientists engage in wholesale.
An attempt by Major Tom Haviland at securing survey data suppressed (not supported) by embalmer trade associations:
Horrifying. I have never had the untested Covid vax, too much scary literature about previous failed SARS vaccines.
eg https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
John O’Loony is a well known undertaker. He has been reporting this, and probably the first person in the UK to go public since, in 2021.
He has joined people like Andrew Bridgen at events and I believe appeared before parliament.
So yes, he’s an undertaker. Whilst I have my issues with Dr. John Campbell, the guy is not going to risk his reputation by wheeling some clown he bumped into on the street onto his show.
However, perhaps you need some further convincing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rAoqhTUU0g&t=106s
As for excess deaths, you might want to watch this video of Andrew Bridgen MP presenting to a parliamentary committee on recent excess deaths. Andrew also happens to have a degree in Biological Sciences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ej5Se4gMRA
You are most certainly missing something.
Well, I have looked up the two people now I have their names. Campbell, PhD in nursing, seems to have become a total flake in later life. Has repeatedly misunderstood and misrepresented the statistics around Covid and Covid vaccinations.
Davis Spiegelhalter, who has demolished some of his assertions, is a serious independent statistician. Spiegelhalter could be mistaken of course. But note that when challenged by him Campbell withdrew his video and said he was not a statistician. No, he is not.
As an example: he alleged that ivermectin use was the reason for lower mortality in Japan. But had no evidence that ivermectin was actually used at scale in Japan. Pure wishful thinking.
As for O’Looney. If this condition, the white fibroids, is as common and as fatal as he claims, other people should have seen it, and it should be showing up in the excess mortality stats.
Are you and they really claiming that there is this huge wave of deaths all accompanied by a common previously unknown condition, but that the political and medical establishment of the UK is suppressing evidence of it and blocking investigation?
Is this wave of deaths occurring in other countries too? If not, why not? Or are their political and medical establishments also party to the conspiracy?
And finally we have to wonder, vaccinations are continuing, including MRNA. If the theory is correct, excess deaths from this condition should be continuing. Because people, particularly the elderly, have been getting 3 or 4 repeat vaccinations in the UK. Why are they not dropping like flies? If the theory is correct there should have been and should still be an ongoing wave of premature deaths among the elderly in the UK. Also around the world. All with their veins and arteries full of the fibroids.
Where is it?
I will look at the other videos for the sake of completeness, but I can’t see any credible case at the moment and Campbell in particular makes an impression of being unhinged on this subject.
I wonder if you looked on a fact checking site?
Nice to see a bit of ad hominem present in your critique as well.
Davis Spiegelhalter is not the only serious statistician out there. Nor is he independent. He is currently Chair of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication in the Centre for Mathematical Sciences at Cambridge. We have ‘serious statisticians announcing every day that climate change numbers are real when the evidence tells us they are not.
Forgive me, but most blog participants here are highly critical of most universities, especially Oxbridge, for their far-left positions and state complicity. But that suddenly all goes away when it comes to covid and mRNA drugs. Remember Climategate? Damning evidence that ‘serious’ scientists were colluding over the science of the climate. When it was presented to the authorities, they did nothing.
The point is, as John Campbell points out, this is a new pathology, never seen before in medical science, yet no one in authority is asking questions?
It’s funny that people who so assiduously distrust our global governments over climate change suddenly deem them to be truthful about a virus that escaped from a US funded bio lab in China, then trust an mRNA medical intervention rolled out in a matter of months with no long term clinical trials.
Were that level of scientific inquiry apportioned to a single aspect of the climate this blog would be all over it.
Frankly, our governments rely on high levels of self denial because the public was lured into taking the jabs themselves and are too indignant to ever admit they could have been duped.
Our government’s told us the jabs were “safe and effective” then admitted they didn’t stop transmission or contraction of covid. They told us the virus emerged from a wet market, but we now know it didn’t, and couldn’t have. They told us the virus didn’t affect children, then rolled out programs to have children as young as five years old jabbed. They rolled out tracking software for smartphones, a totalitarians wet dream. They told us masks were effective when with even a cursory examination revealed they were entirely ineffective. Even the charts Boris Johnson and his ‘scientific’ advisors rolled out on prime time TV were seen to be utterly fanciful. Both advisors now Knighted, but certainly not for their scientific integrity.
All for the common good, just like climate science.
If you care to watch the other interview conducted with an American investigating the same phenomenon in the US you will find it is present there as well.
The second interview I posted from America provides evidence this is continuing at a lower level, consistent with the reduced take up of boosters now the panic has subsided.
Nor am I saying Campbell, O’Loony or the American are correct about the numbers they present. What I am saying is there is sufficient evidence there is a completely new pathology out there no one knows anything about. The evidence is physical and incontrovertible, yet it is being stonewalled, just like the credible science from the likes of Roy Spencer, Steve Koonin etc. is stonewalled by governments.
Or are you saying that numerous embalmers and undertakers across the UK and the US, completely independent of one another, are somehow colluding to produce physical examples of a phenomenon that doesn’t exist?
In which case, why don’t our governments undertake a modest inquiry to demonstrate this is all a figment of the imagination and explain the science of the pathology itself.
Or just point to it in the medical literature and assure us all this has been stalking mankind for generations.
It proves it’s working.
HotScot, there is still a long way to go in evaluating these claims. Personally, I think a key question is when these clots were first seen. If after the vaccine roll-out, that’s one thing. If before but still within the COVID epidemic, quite another (it would suggest that the spike protein itself could be a bio-weapon). If before 2020, yet a third possibility.
I think we need to wait for fuller data. Meanwhile, anyone that wants to suppress the evidence deserves to be…
This is by far the most off-topic comment I’ve yet made at WUWT, but I think that Anthony and Charles know me well enough to allow it through 🙂
I have faith that whilst off topic, this blog considers itself a science blog, not simply a climate blog.
There is a long way to go with these claims, just as there was with climate hysteria beginning almost 50 years ago.
I think the point is that John O’Loony raised the alarm about these fibrous clots in 2021 following the mRNA medical intervention was rolled out. It is possible they were caused by covid but John has spoken to relatives of the deceased with these clots and the common theme is that they were all ‘vaccinated’.
As Dr. John Campbell says, this is an entirely new pathology. No one has seen this before. So where are the doctors and scientist’s scrambling over each other to have the identification and, hopefully, solution to it, which would enshrine their names in the annals of medical history?
Worst of all, as John O’Loony explains, he is being stonewalled.
A new pathology stonewalled? This is simply unheard of.
I would like to have the report of some independent observer who has actually seen the extraction of the fibroids. John Campbell doesn’t seem to have done any autopsies which would have allowed him to see them. He is not a medical doctor in any case, but a Ph.D in nursing. Is he even qualified to do such an autopsy?
A phenomenon on the scale and of the nature alleged by O’Looney should be very easy to fully document with lots of case histories and independent verification. Is the problem with suppression of the evidence? Or is it with the evidence and the case he is making or failing to make?
John O’Loony is independent.
Campbell doesn’t need to be an undertaker/embalmer to identify something which is unknown to the medical community.
O’Loony isn’t the only person to observe this. I have posted a second video where Campbell interviews an American investigating the phenomenon amongst US undertakers/embalmers.
I’m not suggesting they are unimpeachable or anything like that. I’m agreeing with them, however, that it’s something that needs to be looked into and authorities are completely ignoring the issue.
So much time and treasure wasted on “researching” how to convince skeptics that human caused climate change is a clear and present danger.
The evil child sniffing, demented, shuffling and stumbling skeleton that abides in the premium assisted living facility once known as the White House once again declared that Climate Change is a greater threat than Nuclear war.
BTW I am finally back on line with my new computer. My nephew built this new desktop for me using the most powerful processor available for a home PC. I got hacked and a very deep and strong virus was implanted. My nephew took the box back and ended up having to wipe the hard drive clean and reload all the software and my backed up data. Thankfully no apparent hardware damage.
So I am now up and running. How I hate posting from a phone. Never ever again will I rely on windows defender alone to protect my box and data. And never again will I use Excel.
Though I paid about $2,500 for hardware and software for the new computer my nephew would not charge me a dime for the labor to build it and repair it and reload all the stuff and all I had to pay for was the new virus protection I am using. He did accept a bottle of Four Roses small batch select bourbon that I bought him.
You should bin windows and try ubuntu. It’s free of charge and runs most of the internet
Clanky, I find Ubuntu to be ‘clanky’ (kinda disjointed), compared to my usual daily driver Win Xp SP3 on a 2008 Dell Optiplex 755 with a Core2 Duo CPU, 4 GB ram and using the Mylap68 Ver 13.7b browser … but it (Ubuntu) is an alternative.
“kubuntu” – ubuntu packaged with a KDE desktop. UI is a lot like windows. Been using it over a year and no more problems with it than I had with windows
I’m glad there is an option available. i’m probably going to have to do that one of these days.
I have a dual-boot install of Ubuntu and Windows on a Dell Optiplex series PC, at boot time, I can choose which OS the PC boots into, and the Ubuntu session (I think) has access to the Win Xp (in my case) partition, so I can access anything that Xp ‘touched’ in the way of pdf, image or text files.Very convenient way to go.
That sounds like what I need to do, since I have windows programs I want to continue to use.
Unless you are prepared to spend time understanding Ubuntu, I wouldn’t bother. It will frustrate you unless you know what you are doing.
I have tried it and lots of other Linux builds and they are no better from a user perspective than a well maintained Windows PC, and usually more awkward to deal with.
If you have the time and inclination to fiddle and learn, by all means, but it’s time consuming.
That’s the only thing holding me back. I’m not real enthusiastic about having to learn a new operating system. 🙂
But I might have to do it if the people selling Windows continue to complicate my life with their “upgrades”. They can’t leave “well enough” alone.
Get Linux Mint, MATE edition. It may have LibreOffice as standard, if not install it from the built in package manager. The thing about Linux is you have many different user interfaces, desktop managers. The standard main stream ones are Gnome and KDE. Xfce is another quite popular one.
MATE is a lot simpler, stripped down, out of your way, hardly any learning curve. It may remind you of older versions of Windows. The idea is, get you to the apps of your choice with a minimum of fuss and distraction.
If you need Windows I would run it in a VM. Virtual Box will run it fine. But you may need someone to help you migrate an existing Windows installation to Virtual Box. Running it in a VM means you can have both windows and Linux running at the same time on different virtual desktops and copy and paste between them as needed. Dual booting works too, but once you have a VM set up its less trouble.
Nuclear war is a definite threat to human existence; climate change only a perceived one.
I expect that climate change will eventually wipe out 90% of the human population. No not THAT fake news climate change, the climate change that brings a mile of ice over Manhattan and ruins agriculture. Not in the lifetime of anybody’s great great great great great great grandchildren’s great great grandchildren though.
I have built and commissioned innumerable PC’s.
I have also maintained them, and have run them and my own PC’s using nothing more than Windows Defender.
Over 20 years I have never been ‘Hacked’ nor have my other builds. Seriously, you’re not important enough for someone to waste time gaining access to your home PC.
If your fresh build PC got a virus it’s usually down to one of three things.
I’m not sure why Excel running on your PC would be a problem. For it to infect your PC you would have to download a file (again probably disguised) which opened (in the background) a virus. That’s not Excels problem.
Hardware damage is a myth. The worst that can happen is you get locked out your PC, sometimes with a ransom note to unlock it. Assuming you use a reputable cloud service (One Drive for example) for your data you could, at worst, simply replace your hard drive, reconfigure it (with clean programs) and you’re up and running again.
Solutions, or defence against these options is to turn on ‘auto update’ on your PC, and as a belt and braces approach, check your updates manually every month or so. It takes a minute. Defender is also updated automatically.
Check the email address of every one that drops into your inbox. Phishing emails usually have a bizarre address but have the appearance of an official Amazon, or some other official email. Also, read your emails. Dodgy ones are usually badly written.
If you download stuff, make sure it’s a reputable site.
Don’t let nephew’s screw about with your PC especially if they tell you they are installing “the most powerful processor available for a home PC.” Firstly, they cost a fortune and, secondly, you don’t need that unless you are doing some serious computing. If your phone can fill in for your computer, you sure don’t need anything insanely powerful, and he should know that.
I have 10 year old, low end laptops I couldn’t give away which can deal with all my email, word processing, Excel, streaming and browsing needs etc.
For less than $2,500 you could buy a brand new, high end Windows or MacBook (MacBook Pro currently $1,599) laptop, complete with extended warranty, loaded with Microsoft Office and 5Gb of free, secure cloud storage for your data, or less than $10 a month for 1Tb of storage.
You might want to have a quiet word with your nephew.
Yes, good advice! An Intel i5 or a recent 65 watt AMD equivalent with onboard graphics will be fine and give you many years of service. The most important thing is a good sized and good quality SSD, and a method for doing backups of it which is relatively foolproof (ie, it stops you backing up in the wrong direction). And if you get a laptop, make sure you set it up with total disk encryption. Its not the hardware that is expensive if it gets stolen…!
“Climate change denial remains difficult to challenge BECAUSE OF the scientific consensus and availability of information.”
I couldn’t let that pass. Consensus of high priests is religion; availability of information shows lack of supporting evidence for the absurd claims.
But, undoubtedly climate change is a billions of years continuous process quite independent of Mankind’s activities.
Definition of consensus: The latest fashion in thinking.
Do you really feel that ‘thinking’ is the right word?
“lack of supporting evidence”
Yes, that’s the problem for climate change alarmists. And there is nothing they can do to change the situation. They are limited to trying to brainwash us better.
If, like the majority of people, you like your internal combustion engined car, public policy is ineffective to move you to an electric vehicle.
If, like the majority of people, you like cheap and reliable electricity supplied to your home, public policy is ineffective to force you to wind and solar.
So, what about academic efforts to find better compliance techniques?
If, as a scientist with a record of success, you see authorities accepting and even mandating poor science, public policy is ineffective in making you accept poor science.
If, like most people, you fear the loss of old, established conduct like truth, morals, ethics, kindness, honesty, compassion, then public policy is ineffective to make you a better person.
The common thread, dear academics, is that only frustration and disappointment await you unless you put aside research for the cash and instead, research what makes people pleasant.
Geoff S
Psychological interventions?
They don’t work on me. I’m using a top-down approach to see for myself that incremental CO2 is NOT CAPABLE of causing heat energy to accumulate on land and in the oceans to harmful effect.
How so? Watch from space. The visualized radiance data in the “CO2 Longwave IR” band from NOAA’s GOES East geostationary satellite makes it obvious that the static “warming” effect does not control the dynamic end result of longwave emission to space. More explanation in the description at this very short video.
https://youtu.be/Yarzo13_TSE
re: “Psychological interventions?”
‘Goebbels-level propaganda‘ is what I think they meant to write.
“Top down intervention” is just a wishy washy scrub of the word “dictatorship”. The usual crowd of people who believe themselves capable of running the world have always relied upon dictatorship to get their way, whether as a first resort or, if need be, as a last resort. While the vast majority of people just want to be left alone and live and work in a society where they feel safe and secure, and have an opportunity to improve their standard of living.
Dictatorship delivers none of the above – no leaving people alone, no safety or security, and the only people who get to live the high life are the toadies who enforce the dictatorship. Everybody else gets screwed.
Presumably the aholes calling for “top down action” are those who expect to become the high living toadies who enforce the dictatorship,
A good reason perhaps to have one or more of the substations serving the Washington DC area have a catastrophic outage.
So the actual move towards authoritarianism vs. Trump being goofy saying he’ll be a dictator on day 1 to lock the border and drill baby drill. I have to say, never having liked Trump, I’ll take him over Biden and all this net zero crap. Though I find Trump’s personality bothersome- I’m all for locking the border and I love ff.
re: “Though I find Trump’s personality …”
I trace the ‘onset’ of this to the summer of 2015. If you recall, that’s when he announced his candidacy for the only office he has ever run for.
Most people liked him on his tv show, and the media never really criticized his personal, sexual, financial dealings until after he became a Republican candidate – before politics or when he identified as, and palled around with Democrats the news rags just loved the way he increased their readership.
Most of us have worked with people we liked, and with people we did not like. It is what is accomplished that is key.
Top down intervention is fascism. There is no other definition that fits this description.
Another stupidly hostile “research” to make apparent how screwed up warmist/alarmists really are.
Many here are unconvinced of the doom and gloom because there is NO evidence for it as well pointed out in this article posted below they run away in real fear as if they encountered holy water I am not kidding you here is evidence that I am not kidding you, LINK
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Where is the Climate Emergency?
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Obey
Obey – a word substitute-able for capitulate, ‘bend the knee’, ‘pay me homage’ etc.
“Effectively reducing climate change requires marked, global behavior change.”
Barking up the wrong tree, check the cause of rising CO2 emissions after 2015
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?time=1940..latest&country=OWID_WRL~OWID_ASI~OWID_NAM~OWID_EUR~OWID_SAM~OWID_OCE~OWID_AFR
Fighting climate change denial is simply make-work exercise for the academic climate alarmists. Their dogma is official government policy all over the West. Once government policy is set in place it’s almost impossible to rectify because of the evolved contractual obligations and industry relations that take place. In the future there will be no day when academia and government make a collective statement, “It looks like it’s not as bad as we thought. Never mind. Disconnect the solar panels.” That’s never going to happen. Restoring science to a non-political search for truth is now an impossibility. The European farmers will be both bought off and turned into serfs, perhaps violently, at the orders of the “rootless cosmopolitans” that Spengler described. The Canadian truckers will face a similar fate, an object lesson to others. An international empire based on preserving the climate will be much more difficult to defeat than a tyranny in an individual country. In a couple of generations taking orders from the Climate Bureau in Davos will be accepted with grumbles by all but the most remote tribalists.
I think the farmers and truckers will never surrender.
I’m with you, I know a couple of truckers, cantankerous beasts, which is why they are truckers.
Is “top down interventions” inspired by “The beatings will continue until morale improves”?
funny!
I think one leads to the other.
But how could 258 scientist authors be wrong?
Surprisingly easily, it seems…
with 100% consensus! gotta be right /sarc
re: “The study authors suggest “top down interventions” will be required.”
IOW, dictatorial, heavy-handed, tyrannical methods, measures and ‘laws’ will be required? How ‘soviet’ shall I say??
“Climate change denial remains difficult to challenge despite the scientific consensus and availability of information.”
The way to change the minds of scientifically literate people is to present them with facts and data. Whining and crying by scientifically illiterate or deceptive morons will never do it. (Listen Al Gore, Leonardo Decaprio, Michael Mann, and others)
You start by dealing with FACTS. Words like “climate change”, “denial”, and “scientific consensus” are not at all factual and simply turn off any rational person with a working knowledge of high school science or higher.
The problem is that these words are intentionally deceptive themselves. “Climate change” really means “Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming”. “Denial” really means “doesn’t believe unfounded policy”, and “Scientific consensus” isn’t science at all, real science is “facts from observed data”. The words themselves are lies.
Using these real words, of course, results in lack of convincing data, and forces even more lies. The discussion falls flat. You simply can’t counter lies with fast talking and appeals to authority. In fact, that hardens an informed listener and breaks off the engagement.
“If you don’t believe in the tooth fairy, would stepping up the doomsday rhetoric persuade you to put your teeth under the pillow?”
I wish there was a tooth fairy now that this geezer has been loosing teeth lately. But luckily, my dentist just told me that when he pulls my one tooth with a gold cap- it might worth good money because it’s old and the old ones were pure gold unlike the newer ones- and the price of gold is up. So, I’ll happily walk into a gold shop with that tooth! I asked if people actually do that and he said yes they do.
“The alternative, “top down interventions”, in my opinion is rather threatening, the velvet being stripped from the steel fist.”
That’s exactly what net zero will get us.
Hammer meet tong. (As in: Go at it hammer and tongs)
What they call “Climate” now is just 30 years of weather and that is always changing. No 30 years of weather is exactly like the past 30 years.
The long-term climate of the Earth is still a 2.56 ice age named the Quaternary Glaciation with over 20 percent of the land surface frozen covered by permafrost and 200,000 glaciers.