By Andy May
Christian Freuer has translated this post into German here.
In my previous post on multiple regression of known solar cycles versus HadCRUT5, I simply threw the solar cycles, ENSO, and sunspots into the regression blender and compared the result to various models that included CO2. Before reading this post, it is a good idea to read the previous one, since much of this post relies on the information in it. It was a very simple statistical analysis designed to show that the IPCC conclusion that rising CO2 and other greenhouse gases are “responsible” for “1.1°C of warming since 1850-1900” is probably erroneous. The difference between the HadCRUT5 1850-1900 average and the 2018-2023 (through all of 2022) is 1.18°C, so they are saying that essentially all the warming since the 19th century is due to humans. The analyses described in this post show they cannot be certain of their conclusion because they have ignored persuasive evidence that changes in the Sun caused at least some of the warming.
We have shown that various statistical combinations of known solar cycles correlated with HadCRUT5 as well as, or sometimes better than, changes in CO2 concentration. The way that the Sun might affect our climate is unknown. The IPCC only considers the direct effect of changing total solar irradiance (or TSI) directly on the Earth, as if the Sun were an incandescent light bulb over a piece of paper, but this cannot be correct. The climate effect of solar changes during a single 11-year solar cycle[1] is nearly an order of magnitude larger than the change in solar radiation can account for.
Recently great strides have been made in modeling and understanding the solar dynamo. However, modeling many important elements of the generation of solar cycles remains beyond our grasp. We only know their effect on Earth’s climate is much larger than the change in power received from the Sun during the cycle. We can examine the correlation of known (but poorly understood) solar cycles and climate change, but we cannot explain the mechanisms involved.
How additional CO2 can warm Earth’s surface is understood, but the climate sensitivity[2] to CO2 is not known. Recent published estimates of the sensitivity, range from near zero to over 5°C/2xCO2 (2xCO2 means doubling of the CO2 concentration). The IPCC claims that human generated CO2 and other human activities have caused all (or essentially all) recent warming. This is speculation. We do not know how much changing CO2 can affect climate, and we can’t explain the large observed effects due to solar changes,[3] so how can we know all the observed warming is due to CO2 and human activities? The advantage of the CO2 hypothesis is that the mechanism is known, but since the magnitude of the effect cannot be calculated accurately, quantitatively it is just as unknown as the solar effect, which the IPCC is clearly underestimating.[4]
In this post we will take a closer look at the correlation between solar activity and HadCRUT5, and address some of the many comments to my previous post. First overfitting.
Overfitting
Solar cycles are not understood but can be observed in cosmogenic isotope studies that have been used to document the very long Hallstatt (or Bray 2400-year, ±200 years) and Eddy (1000-year ±30 years) cycles. These two long cycles correlate with the most significant climate events in history, the Bray Cycle correlates with the Greek Dark Age (~ 1200 to 800BC) and the early part of the Little Ice Age (~ 1300 to 1600, we target 1470 as the Hallstatt low). The Eddy Cycle correlates with the Medieval Warm Period (~ 950 to 1250), the latter part of the Little Ice Age (~1500 to 1816, we target 1680 for the Eddy low), and the Modern Warm Period (~1940 to ~2005).[5]
The shorter cycles are not as climatically significant but noticeable. Both the “Pause” in warming and the cool period around 1910 correlate well with the Feynman Cycle, and the cooler period from 1945 to 1976 in the early part of the Modern Solar Maximum correlates with the Pentadecadal cycle. All these cycles are plotted for the instrumental period in Figure 1 along with HadCRUT5.

As some pointed out in comments on my last post, with this many cycles, multiple regression will always find a reasonable fit to almost anything trending upward. Further all the time series, including HadCRUT5, are strongly autocorrelated. The cycles are anchored to the solar lows or highs as specified in Ilya Usoskin’s 2016 and 2017 papers[6] or Joan Feynman’s 2014 paper.[7] The 22.1-year Hale Cycle is anchored to early 2020 during the solar cycle 24 minimum. It has been proposed that the de Vries Cycle is a beat period between the Hale Cycle and the 19.86-year orbit of the Sun around the solar system barycenter,[8] this configuration is consistent with this hypothesis.
As can be seen in figure 2, this regression relies mostly on the quasi-linear Hallstatt and Eddy Cycles. Frank Stefani does not like this idea and believes that only the better documented Feynman and de Vries Cycles and Log(CO2) are needed to model the period 1850 to the present. This is possible, Log(CO2) is also a quasi-linear series and is similar to the Eddy and Hallstatt series (see the first post), so all three can substitute for one another, this is an argument that will not be settled by observations soon.
Because the solar dynamo is not fully understood,[9] we have no choice but to choose the best regression of these cycles on HadCRUT5 as our solar model. I understand that regressions are possible with other configurations of the cycles, but we have a solid foundation for this configuration. The regression is shown in figure 2.

Because the input cycles and HadCRUT5 are autocorrelated the regression statistics (especially R2) shown are inflated to reality. Experimentation shows that most cycle configurations would result in R2 values above 0.8, although some were far lower than this. This R2 value of 0.83 is not great, but it is the best that can be obtained with these cycles, which is what we were after.
In this way, we created a single solar cycle predictor variable. The underlying reason for the cycles is very poorly understood. This is a statistical exercise, and it is the best match of these predictors to HadCRUT5, but that is all we can say.
Next we add other variables that proved significant in our residual and partial regression study. They are the Nino 3.4 index and the logarithm to the base 2 of CO2 or “Log(CO2)” time series. Oddly, adding the Nino 3.4 series, at least statistically, caused the sunspot series to become an insignificant (about 1%) addition to the regression. As a result, the sunspot series did not make the cut to be added to the regression, and the Nino 3.4 series was always significant at over 10%. This might be explained by the observed effect of the solar cycle on upper ocean temperatures described by Warren White and his colleagues at Scripps.[10] Figure 3 shows the regression with Nino 3.4 added.

Adding Nino 3.4 to the composite solar series increases the R2 to 0.85, but the coefficients suggest that the addition of Nino 3.4 is significant, but small, at 15%. Nino 3.4 is about a 15% addition with or without sunspots. The normalized coefficients tell us that, statistically, 85% of the regression is from the combined solar series and 15% is from Nino 3.4.
The input series in these plots (figures 3, 4, and 5) are all normalized[11] so that the coefficients are comparable and can be used to compare the relative impact of the input series on the model. Figure 4 shows the result when Log(CO2) is added.

Figure 4 tells us that adding Log(CO2) does not change the R2 significantly, and it barely changes the regression model. The coefficients tell us that, statistically, the combined solar series added 79% to the model, ENSO is unchanged with a 15% addition, and Log(CO2) contributed only 6%. Finally, figure 5 shows the model created from just Log (CO2) and the combined solar series.
In figure 5, the R2 has dropped to 0.83, the solar time series supplies 87% of the result, and Log(CO2) only supplies 13%. Figure 6 compares the regression using the combined solar and Nino 3.4 to a regression using combined solar, Nino 3.4, and Log(CO2). As you can see, they are not exactly the same, but nearly so.

Figure 7 adds the combined solar plus Log(CO2) series to the plot. It now becomes apparent that once the solar cycles are combined into one predictor, it and ENSO produce the best regression model to predict HadCRUT5. How the solar cycles were created in the solar dynamo is unknown, but if our combined solar cycle series is correct, the major solar cycles are the dominant force behind recent warming.

This analysis is not evidence that solar variability is the dominant cause of recent climate change. It merely shows that a statistically significant model of HadCRUT5 global average temperature series can be created from a combination of well-known and well-documented solar cycles. The physical reason for these observed solar cycles is unknown, although there are many plausible hypotheses that might explain them.[12]
All the current possible mechanisms show the Sun acting as an AC field generator with a period of about 22 years. The longer modulations are poorly understood. Observations and proxies show that the Sun varies over both short and long periods, which causes solar output to change, and results in climate changes on Earth. What is the driving force for the solar changes? They appear to depend on the complex fluid motions in the Sun’s interior which, in turn, might be influenced by the varying gravitational action of the orbiting planets, but all this is unclear.[13] The model we describe ignores all this complexity and only deals with the observed cycles. We created a very simple statistical model, but more elaborate and creative multiple regression solar models have been published recently, a quick summary of some of them follows.
Stefani, 2021
Frank Stefani uses double regression to model global sea surface temperatures (HadSST.4) with the aa index[14] of solar variability and Log(CO2). The aa index is a robust proxy of solar output and correlates well with the sunspot number (see here for more information). Stefani does a much more extensive check of regression parameters than we do here. He also uses his model to predict temperature into the next century. His predictions show a reduced warming rate over the coming century. He uses his model to compute a climate sensitivity of 0.6 to 1.6°C/2xCO2, much lower than reported in the IPCC’s latest report (AR6[15]). However, Stefani’s values are in line with other observation-based estimates of climate sensitivity.[16] (link)
Scafetta, 2023
Scafetta constructs multiple regression models that include solar forcing, volcanic eruption effects, and Log(CO2). He emulates the IPCC’s model results using their assumptions, although he computes a smaller climate sensitivity of 1.4 to 2.8°C/2xCO2. Using more realistic assumptions, the climate sensitivity is reduced to 0.9 to 1.8°C/2xCO2, consistent with Stefani’s estimate above. Scafetta regressed on HadSST4, HadCRUT4, and HadSST3 as well as HadCRUT5, all producing similar climate sensitivities. His model accounts for a delayed response due to ocean buffering of absorbed solar radiation. To account for the possibility of urban bias, some of Scafetta’s regression studies were done only on sea surface temperature datasets. His study shows that only 20% of the solar influence on global temperatures is due to increased radiation. Other factors such as modulation of cosmic rays, solar driven atmospheric/oceanic circulation changes, or other processes are probably more important. These latter processes, and other solar driven amplifiers, are not programmed into the IPCC climate models, which is possibly why they underestimate the climatic impact of the Sun. (link)
Soon, et al, 2023
Soon et al. did a regression study of solar, volcanic, and human forcings on two Northern Hemisphere datasets, one with rural temperatures and one with a blend of rural and urban datasets.[17] This paper is an extension of Soon and colleague’s earlier solar/CO2 regression study.[18] They used two solar forcing datasets, the TSI[19] dataset recommended by the IPCC, and another that was ignored in AR6.[20] They found that the choice of temperature and solar forcing datasets made a large difference in the study outcome. The temperature and TSI datasets are all possible, none are established as better or worse than the other, yet how much warming is attributable to human activities or nature depends on the datasets used. This casts doubt on the IPCC conclusion that humans have caused all, or nearly all, recent warming. (link)
It is important to realize that nearly everyone recognizes that urban areas are warmer than the surrounding countryside and urban areas have been growing rapidly globally over the past century, surrounding previously rural weather stations. This casts doubt on warming trends generated with combined rural/urban datasets. Further, there is no definitive record of solar radiation output (TSI), there are both low and high trend TSI datasets and no way to tell which is correct since proper records are too short and inaccurate. Thus, a proper study would use both, as Soon et al. do. Soon et al. found that 85% of the 1850-2018 warming, using their “rural-only” dataset could be explained by solar and volcanic forcing.
Stefani et al. 2023
Regression isn’t used in this paper, but it is of interest here because the authors connect the solar (Schwabe) and Hale Cycles to the de Vries (or Suess) Cycle via a 193-year beat period[21] between the 22.14-year Hale Solar Cycle and the 19.86-year orbit of the Sun around the solar system barycenter.[22] They note (as have many others) that the de Vries Cycle is probably responsible for the ~190-210-year spacing of Solar Grand Minima during Hallstatt-Bray Cycle lows. The most recent example being the Wolf-Spörer-Maunder minima between about 1300 and 1715, with the related Bray low at about 1500 (these are very similar to the values used in my model above). They also note that in some fashion, the de Vries and Bray-Hallstatt Cycles are related, or at least the de Vries Cycle appears to be modulated by the Hallstatt-Bray Cycle. (link)
Conclusions
These various multiple regression studies don’t prove anything, they aren’t even proper evidence of anything. But they do show that the IPCC assumption that the Sun had no effect on observed warming since 1750 is questionable. It also shows that their chosen TSI dataset and their assumption that the only impact of a changing Sun is the amount of radiation Earth receives is questionable. Both White and Haigh have established that amplifiers exist in Earth’s climate system that increase the impact of solar changes by a factor of four,[23] perhaps by a factor of ten,[24] yet this is ignored by the IPCC. The IPCC needs to go back to school and redo AR6 including all the research they ignored the first time.
I acknowledge the generous help from Dr. Frank Stefani and Dr. Willie Soon, but any errors in the post are mine alone.
Download the bibliography here.
Download the supplementary data here, it includes R code, data, and Excel spreadsheets to make all the figures in this post.
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The Schwabe Cycle. ↑
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Various writers refer to equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS), the transient climate response (TCR), effective climate sensitivity (ECS). There are a bewildering number of ways to measure the effect of CO2 on climate, see here and here for a discussion. To avoid this confusion, we will only refer to “climate sensitivity” in this post. ↑
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(Lean, 2017) ↑
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(White, Dettinger, & Cayan, 2003) ↑
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(Usoskin I. , 2017) ↑
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(Usoskin, Gallet, Lopes, Kovaltsov, & Hulot, 2016) and (Usoskin I. , 2017) ↑
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(Feynman & Ruzmaikin, 2014) ↑
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(Stefani, Stepanov, & Weier, 2021) and (Stefani, Horstmann, Klevs, Mamatsashvili, & Weier, 2023) ↑
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(Stefani, Stepanov, & Weier, Shaken and Stirred: When Bond Meets Suess–de Vries and Gnevyshev–Ohl, 2021) ↑
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(White, Dettinger, & Cayan, 2003) ↑
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They are normalized by subtracting their respective means and dividing by their standard deviation. The model is not affected, but the coefficients become comparable when this is done. ↑
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(Charbonneau, 2022) ↑
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(Charbonneau, 2022) and (Stefani, Horstmann, Klevs, Mamatsashvili, & Weier, 2023) ↑
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The aa index data used was from NOAA, the British Geological Survey, and from (Nevanlinna & Kataja, 1993) ↑
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(IPCC, 2021) ↑
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(Christy & McNider, 2017), (Wijngaarden & Happer, 2020), (Lewis & Curry, 2018), (Lewis N. , 2022), and other examples in (Stefani, Stepanov, & Weier, 2021). Also see Tables 1 & 2 here. ↑
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(Soon W. , et al., 2023) ↑
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(Soon, Connolly, & Connolly, 2015), see also the summary here. ↑
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TSI is total solar irradiance. The IPCC assumes that the increase or decrease in solar output is the only warming or cooling effect the Sun has on Earth’s climate. This is hotly debated, as there are recognized amplifiers in the climate system (Haigh, 2011). ↑
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(Hoyt & Schatten, 1993) ↑
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When two waves with dissimilar frequency interact, they cause an alternating constructive and destructive interference that is called “beating.” More here. ↑
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The solar system barycenter is the center of mass of the solar system, which moves with the planets. The Sun moves about this barycenter in a complex orbit. More here. ↑
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(White, Dettinger, & Cayan, 2003) ↑
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(Haigh, 2011) and (Lean, 2017) ↑
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“How additional CO2 can warm Earth’s surface is understood, but the climate sensitivity[2] to CO2 is not known.”
Me not being a scientist- isn’t this what it’s all about? Until it’s known, climate science is far from settled. I’ve been throwing this at anyone I see here in WK claiming it’s all settled. They don’t respond- heck, they never even heard the term “climate sensitivity”. 🙂
You hit the nail on the head. Not only is the science not settled. It is a second CO2 forcing that is missing. Even skeptics are generally following the wrong paths as they look for feedbacks to a warming effect that doesn’t exist.
In addition, the most likely cause of our warming is ocean cycles, which are also downplayed by many skeptics. If I’m right, then skeptics are wasting a great opportunity to provide a reasonable explanation for the warming that has occurred.
“Me not being a scientist- isn’t this what it’s all about? Until it’s known, climate science is far from settled.”
That’s exactly right.
The science definitely isn’t settled when you have a spread of temperatures from zero to 5.0C. And that’s exactly what we have today. This uncertainty is what delusional Net Zero politicians/bureaucrats are basing their Net Zero decisions on, the ones that are destroying our collective economies and taking money out of the pockets of all of us.
If the real number proves to be close to zero, the politicians/bureaucrats will have destroyed our economies for nothing. That’s the path they/we are on. They are shooting in the dark.
All because of a bogus, bastardized Hockey Stick global “temperature” chart that misrepresents reality and makes people do really foolish things as a result.
I read that the last mini ice age ended around 1860 – Wouldn’t common sense conclude that the earth would show some warming after the conclusion of a mini ice age – it’s all natural
Andy ==> “The analyses described in this post show they cannot be certain of their conclusion because they have ignored persuasive evidence that changes in the Sun caused at least some of the warming.”
Absolutely, they cannot be certain — really, of anything. They have not done research that can show cause.
The physicists are quite certain that CO2 concentration increases don’t cause much warming …. Happer, Lindzen, Clauser….
Virtually ALL of the energy that contributes to Earth’s “warmth” come from the Sun — that much is CERTAIN.
Great work on all those calculations, though. Beyond me really, but what the IPCC claims is that the Factor X that caused warming in the past quit causing it and CO2 Concentrations took over at some time since 1900…and that simply cannot be true. Temperature has risen prior to CO2 in the historical record. Effects don’t precede their causes.
I’m holding this line until I see good persuasive scientific evidence to the contrary.
We are fortunate, in this particular case, that the sun provides us with a signal that will allow us to determine the climate sensitivity. Over an 11 year period, the sun varies its luminosity to such a degree that it simulates the change in downwelling radiation that we would get with roughly 15 years of CO2 emissions. The effect of this increase, then decrease, of the downwelling radiation can be seen in the energy imbalance; there should be a change in the imbalance that mimics the change in the downwelling radiation. Even after applying an FFT to the data, I can see no periodic behavior in the EEI. It appears that the earth completely suppresses the effect of relatively small changes in downwelling radiation, such as we get from CO2 changes. Earth seems to be handling changes in atmosphere pretty effectively, when looked at from an energy perspective.
The climate system amplifies the effect of the changing solar output over a solar cycle, at least in the tropical oceans. The unknown amplifier increases the solar effect by up to 9 times. See attached and the reference.
Andy, I don’t get 9 times amplification and here’s how…..
Look at graphs below of sunspots and insolation…about 1 1/4 watts /sq.M over entire cycle.
Go to UChicago Modtran.
Pick “MidLatude Winter” to use a locale that is closest to Earths 240 Watts/sq.M at TOA
Pick “No Clouds or Rain”. This will give you more surface warming than with clouds or rain.
Pick “Offset” of say .001 degrees so that fixed or relative humidity becomes an available selection.
Pick “Relative Humidity”. This will add water vapor to the atmosphere as temperature increases thus allowing for the water vapor amplification.
You should now have a run showing about 240 W/sq.M.and a ground Temp around 273 K. Kind of low, but later you can run different locales and clouds as you like.
“Save” to background as a base case.
Guess various offsets of around .3 or .4 degrees until you have around 1 1/4 watts more TOA difference than your base case.
So that .3 or .4 degrees is how much the surface could possibly be warmed by the change of radiation of 1 1/4 watts entering the atmosphere from bottom to top of the 11 year solar cycle, (assuming outgoing=incoming energy)
Andy, your comments are welcome…I see this temp difference worth consideration, but the 9 times amplification statement, I don’t see in there….I do realize the solar cycle also has changes in UV energy for which Modtran’s model is not accurate.
Read Warren White and colleagues paper, cited above or here:
White, et al., 2003, Sources of global warming of the upper ocean on decadal period scales, JGR 108, 10.1029/2002JC001396
He explains it well. The change in solar forcing is about 0.1 W/m2, the change in ocean heat content over the same period is about 0.3 to 0.9 W/m2.
They say “…..yields an anomalous global tropical DHS tendency ranging over ±0.9 W m−2. This is nearly an order of magnitude larger than the surface radiative forcing of ±0.1 W m−2 associated with the ∼11-year signal in the Sun’s surface radiative forcing.”
Except the 11 year signal radiative input is about +/- 1 1/4 W m−2, which would be closer to the more realistic assumption that 80% of incoming solar goes into evaporation of sea surface water….I am very dubious of articles on atmospheric heat transfer that use 3 and 4 letter acronyms that are not findable in any indexes of the several heat transfer and atmospheric physics books on my bookshelf.
The 11-year solar output during solar cycle 22 varied about 1.3 W/m2, but the input at the surface of the Earth varies only about 0.2 W/m2, in solar cycle 24 it was 0.09. Either way, the ocean warmed and cooled far more than can be accounted for by the solar cycle. There have to be amplifiers in the climate system. White is correct.
Kip, good comments overall and I agree with them, although IMHO you (and Andy May in his above article) didn’t go far enough.
You state:
“Virtually ALL of the energy that contributes to Earth’s “warmth” come from the Sun — that much is CERTAIN.”
I agree with that, but:
1) the solar energy that is absorbed at Earth (atmosphere and surface) varies according to variations in Earth’s albedo, and
2) the thermal energy that Earth (atmosphere and surface) radiates outward to space varies by the effective transparency and emissivity of Earth’s atmosphere.
Fundamentally, the great “control knobs” governing both directions of energy flow are CLOUDS.
Unfortunately, there is not a single mention of clouds—let alone their predominate effect on modulating the input-output power flux balance of Earth’s “energy balance”—in Andy’s otherwise excellent article above. Yet I suspect that Andy and you both know how important clouds are when discussing climate, as does Richard Lindzen (with his theory of the global “Iris Effect”) and Willis Eschenbach (with his “Thunderstorm Thermostat Hypothesis”).
“Generally, increased cloud cover correlates to a higher albedo and a lower absorption of solar energy. Cloud albedo strongly influences the Earth’s energy budget, accounting for approximately half of Earth’s albedo.”
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_albedo
So, given that modern climate science establishes Earth having a “long-term” (say, since the mid-1960’s beginning of satellite era global Earth monitoring instrumentation) albedo of about 0.30, a reduction of just 1% in albedo due to about a 2% decrease in global average cloud coverage would result in a surface-averaged absorbed power flux increase (340.2 W/m^2 * .01) = 3.4 W/m^2, far overwhelming the effects of TOA TSI variability due to the various cycles being discussed and any CO2-driven ECS equivalent impact on Earth’s power flux balance. My understanding is that the long-term lower troposphere equilibrium solar sensitivity is about +0.7°C/(W/m^2 absorbed), but I might have this value wrong.
Note that the above hypothetical 1% reduction in albedo due to reduced cloud coverage did not consider corresponding changes that should occur in Earth atmosphere’s transparency and emissivity. It is beyond my modeling skills to conclude whether or not there may be a net “amplification” or offsetting negative feedback in accounting for both absorption and radiation effects, especially given the different parts of the EM spectrum in which both occur, as well as the overall complexity of Earth’s hydrological cycle over Earth’s orbital period about the Sun (e.g., seasonal changes in both surface and atmospheric albedo in both northern and southern hemispheres).
Bottom line: IMHO, long term (i.e., >100 year) variations/cycles in Earth’s percentage of global cloud coverage are almost certainly more important than TOA solar irradiance variability in terms of driving Earth’s climate and variations thereof, but AFAIK we have no paleoclimatology proxies for establishing Earth’s global average percentage of cloud cover at times prior to the satellite era, in stark contrast to the paleoclimatology proxies we do have for land, ocean and lower atmosphere temperature and atmospheric CO2 levels.
I also want to correct my accidental oversight of not including Dr. John Clauser (and his self-titled “cloud-sunlight-reflectivity thermostat mechanism” hypothesis) in the fourth paragraph of my above post.
His most interesting and data-based talk on his hypothesis can be found at:
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/spro-challenging-climate-claims ,
starting about about the 34m00s mark into the video and continuing to the 1h09m15s mark.
Dr. Clauser goes to great lengths to show how poorly the IPCC climate models treat the influence of cloud variability in deriving Earth’s “energy balance” and that atmospheric CO2 (i.e., CO2 ECS) is an insignificant factor in accounting for changes in global climate.
Unfortunately, Dr. Clauser just addresses the cloud-coverage-driven change in incoming solar energy that is absorbed in Earth’s atmosphere and at its surface . . . he does not address the associated influence that clouds have on atmospheric LWIR transmissivity and full spectrum thermal emissivity.
Eyeballing the graphs, solar cycles do not seem to correlate well with the 1940-1980 temperature excursion.
Very true, as I note in the post. Part of that cooling may have been internal and due to Ocean oscillations, or some other factor. The Pentadecadal Cycle may have contributed to the first part of it (green line, figure 1), but the second part (1960s) was something else.
Regarding the IPCC’s ignoration of natural climate causes:
You would have to read the IPCC’s charter. I have. The last time I looked, I could no longer find it. But it totally explains why IPCC ignores natural climate change.
It says its charter is to pinpoint HUMAN-CAUSED climate change. The whole purpose of the IPCC is to blame humans for ANY climate change, since they do not acknowledge that presence of natural climate change, nor do they study it. It is not within their stated charter to investigate natural climate change.
If the world actually learned that CO2 has nothing to do with climate, the IPCC would have to be disbanded. CO2 is their only feather. The largest farce ever foisted off on humanity.
The IPCC is mostly reliant on fluffy down.
“It says its charter is to pinpoint HUMAN-CAUSED climate change.”
Can anyone give us an exact quote on that? no doubt some have the relevant information at their fingertips
The original charter has been ‘disappeared’. It might be found on the Wayback machine.
But I’ve been following this CO2 thing since the mid 90’s. I read the charter multiple times.
I found this regarding the role of the IPCC:
2. The role of the IPCC is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation. IPCC reports should be neutral with respect to policy, although they may need to deal objectively with scientific, technical and socio-economic factors relevant to the application of particular policies.
ANNEX 7 (ipcc.ch)
You are correct, the IPCC was created to study human-caused climate change. They are biased from the start.
Now, all they can see is human-caused climate change. In every thunderstorm even.
They see what they want/expect/get paid to see.
That will take some digging but I downloaded a lot of it as I read all the reports offline until they got out of control. Have to figure out where i saved it now.
Agree. Very few bloggers understand the IPCC Charter. They aren’t commissioned to provide balance in their reporting. They are in essence assigned the task of being alarmist and to recommend remedial measures. IPCC claims anthropogenic CO2 causes warming, and they recommend wind and solar to limit sea level rise.
copy
6 December 1988
43/53 Protection of global climate for present and future generations of mankind
The General Assembly, …”Conservatism of climate as part of the common heritage of mankind.”
Concerned that human activities could change global climate patterns, threatening present and future generations with potentially economic and social consequences.
Noting with concern that the emerging evidence indicates that continued growth in atmosphere concentrations of “greenhouse” gases could produce (sea level rise).
“Conservatism of climate as part of the common heritage of mankind.”
Well, that’s meaningful – not.
Has anybody mentioned to the writer that climate is the statistics of historical weather observations (and wild guesses)?
The atmosphere acts chaotically – ever changing, never repeating exactly, unpredictable.
Good luck with preventing the climate from changing. More prayers needed.
An interesting exercise, seemingly done with few or no personal presumptions or dogmatic assumptions.
Now do one including seismic activity. The result will, like this exercise, provide no proof, but I dare say I expect some very good correlations. Perhaps even
improving onadding onto the work here. Coupled with some recent advances in measuring the magnetosphere, we may be approaching a dark stab at actual causes.I am glad to see Wickidpedia has removed the word “pseudoscience” from their still puerile treatment of the subject Electric/Plasma Cosmology. A step forward after “-3*consensus science”.
HadCRUT5 is adjusted data. I have little confidence in the SST component. The US has ok unadjusted data. I wonder what the analysis would look like on just the US.
You are correct. HadCRUT5 is a mess and the unadjusted data is very different. To make matters even worse, the statistical technique I used in this analysis assumes that there is no error in HadCRUT5. But my point was that the IPCC assumptions about warming and the cause of it were flawed. I could hardly introduce a dataset that they ignore. AR6 has many flaws, we have to deal with them one at a time.
“we have to deal with them one at a time.”
The trouble is that this soon degenerates into a game of whack-a-mole, as the true believers trot out one ‘plausible’ reason after another. Skeptics will quickly become exhausted trying to whack every crazy theory.
Thanks for that explanation, Andy.
I was critical of using HadCRUT in another post before I read this. I withdraw my criticism of you using HadCRUT for this exercise. As you say, you could hardly use a database the climate alarmists would ignore.
It’s usually a good idea to read through the comments before making a comment. I’ll try to do that in the future. 🙂
Andy I don’t disagree. However, given that we have unadjusted US data from government sources(as shown in the graph below), if an analysis of this data shows a more robust solar relationship it would be an interesting contribution. The worldwide temperature aggregation techniques make no sense to me. As an example. Suppose there are only 2 temperature sources, one at the equator and one at the north pole. Does averaging these make any sense? Of course not. A 5-degree increase in the north pole temperature is very different energy-wise relative to a 5-degree increase at the equator.
I’ve been arguing this for years and gotten nowhere. Averaging the same thing makes snese, e.g. the average heights of quarter horses. Calculating the average height from a data set of quarter-horse heights and shetland pony heights is meaningless. Statistics such as average are supposed to be a tool to help one understand. Averaging different things doesn’t help you understand anything. Thus what sense does it make to average southern hemisphere temps with northern hemisphere temps? The argument is that anomalies normalize the data but the problem is that winter temps have different ranges and standard deviations than summer temps. This gets reflected in the anomalies thus making the average of the anomalies useless as well.
It even starts with the basic (tmax+tmin)/2. Tmax is based on a daytime sinusoid and Tmin is based on an nighttime exponential decay. (tmax+tmin)/2 is *not* an average temperature. If is, at best, a median value. Since two different tmax and tmin values can give the same median value, exactly what does (tmax+tmin)/2 tell you about CLIMATE? Two different climates can have the same median value!
As you point out, a 5deg anomaly in the winter has a far different impact as far as climate than a 5deg anomaly in the summer. Yet they get treated equally in climate science. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to this old engineer.
The November 7 data indicate a short and weak 25 solar cycle. There are clear changes in stratospheric ozone production and associated changes in wintertime circulation, especially in the north. This is associated with a weakening of the magnetic field over northern Canada and a strengthening over Siberia.
http://wso.stanford.edu/gifs/Polar.gif
http://wso.stanford.edu/gifs/Tilts.gif
‘Oddly, adding the Nino 3.4 series, at least statistically, caused the sunspot series to become an insignificant’
What the above statement shows is that Nino 3.4 and the sunspot series are correlated between themselves.
This should not be surprising as the oceans absorb of the order of 75% of the solar energy that reaches the earth’s surface. Solar energy absorbed by, and stored in, the oceans is released to the atmosphere via Nino 3.4. In effect the oceans act as an intermediary between the sun and the earth’s atmosphere.
As I pointed out in a comment to your last post, Nino 3.4 comprises two mechanisms for the transfer of thermal energy from the oceans to the atmosphere. The first mechanism is convection, i.e. evaporative cooling in the ENSO area and transmission of the latent heat throughout the atmosphere by convection. The second mechanism is advection, i.e. the transfer of thermal energy from the ENSO area throughout the oceans by ocean currents.
There are significant time lags between the time that changes in Nino 3.4 temperatures are measured and the time that corresponding changes are measured in atmospheric temperatures, of the order of a few months for convection, and the order of several years for advection. If one adds the additional time lag, between the time that the sun’s incident energy is absorbed and stored in the oceans and the time it shows up in Nino 3.4, one is talking about a total time lag of decades between the time changes in solar radiation will show up as changes to the earth’s atmospheric temperatures.
As I pointed out in my comment to your last post, it is necessary to take into account these time lags in order to be able to see the true effect of how the sun affects the earth’s climate through the intermediation of the oceans (i.e. Nino 3.4).
I agree, but I did not lag any of the data in this project. Some of the other studies in the bibliography of this post do incorporate lags.
The sun, eh? It’s been written
Weather is a complex, dynamic, and high-energy system driven by the 430 quintillion joules (430 followed by 18 zeros) of energy the Sun sends to Earth every hour. That’s more energy in one hour than all the energy humans can produce and use in a year. Using the recent film Oppenheimer for reference, it’s equivalent to nearly 7 million Hiroshima atomic bombs (blast yield of 63 trillion joules) exploding every hour to keep weather functioning as we know it.
It is a worthwhile pointing this out but your numbers have an error.
Earth gets solar power of 340W/m^2 averaged over 5.1E14m^2 giving 173PW.
Annual global energy consumption is 179PWh or 0.05PW.
https://ourworldindata.org/energy-production-consumption
So ratio of solar power to anthropogenic power is 3460.
There are 8760 hours in a year so the sun is able to delivery the total anthropogenic consumption in 2.5 hours.
Imagine how much fossil fuel would need to be burnt to replace the sun even if we had good insulation.
As I said last time, the coefficients given in figure 2 could not possibly describe a real world model. A coefficient of 45°C on a single sine wave would mean a 90°C swing in temperatures every few thousand years.
well the oceans are boiling you know……
Bellman the coefficient is dimensionless, it is not in degrees. It merely says that for the best match to HadCRUT5, the Hallstatt Cycle is the strongest predictor. Note all Hallstatt values are negative in this period. Further, our model is made with only 170 years of data, not nearly enough to characterize the Hallstatt Cycle with any accuracy. That said, this was the best model and that counts for something. In my experiments, it became clear that Hallstatt was the strongest, but both Eddy and Log(CO2) could substitute. Only Nino 4.3 stood alone, which I found interesting.
Anyway, I was not trying to prove anything. I was just showing that the IPCC assumptions were an overreach.
The coefficients are dimensionless, but the logic of the model is that multiplying each value by it’s coefficient will give you an estimate of the temperature in degrees.
“Note all Hallstatt values are negative in this period.”
Which is why the intercept has to be so large. It’s saying that if every cycle was at it’s mid point, 0, the global temperature would be 16°C warmer.
“Further, our model is made with only 170 years of data, not nearly enough to characterize the Hallstatt Cycle with any accuracy.”
Which is a problem if you want to claim it can used to predict temperatures so accurately.
“In my experiments, it became clear that Hallstatt was the strongest, but both Eddy and Log(CO2) could substitute.”
Ye, because both those cycles are increasing at close to linear rates. The Hallstatt and Eddy values are strongly correlated with the Log CO2 values. R^2 values of 0.88 and 0.86 respectively. But combine Eddy and Hallstatt you get an R^2 of 0.997.
Incidentally you get just as good a fit for CO2 using a cubic function on time.
True, but no need to model CO2, we know it varies with temperature logrithmically.
I’m making no claims as to the accuracy of the model, that wasn’t my purpose. I was just demonstrating that the IPCC assumptions are problematic.
That said, the partial regression plots I made, but did not put into the post, are helpful. Notice how Eddy and Hallstatt standout. de Vries and Feynman are also important, but Pentadecal and Hale not so much.
These plots are very sensitive to time span.
More good work Andy.
I guess I will have to wait for the next article for your prediction. The Nino34 region has underlying 11 year and 18 year periods so is not hard to model on its own.
The evidence I view strongly indicates that precession dominates the trends. We are just 500 years into the increasing peak solar intensity in the northern hemisphere – 9,000 years to go. The amount of ocean surface reaching the 30C limit is likely to accelerate for some time. So the current trend observed in good data like UAH should trend upward to a slightly higher rate over the coming decades.
In about 200 years the permafrost should begin to advance south.
The climate modellers are realising that warm oceans are going to increase snowfall. Ski resorts across Europe are opening early.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/17/4691/2023/
What they are yet to realise, is that if there is enough snowfall it eventually overtakes melt and becomes permanent ice. The glaciers form top down. And ice travels slowly downhill to cool the valleys. Fresh snow on that old ice will hang around for longer. And as more ice forms, the ice gets higher and the oceans get lower so the average temperature of the land falls despite the temperature of the oceans increasing.
Warming northern oceans is the harbinger of the coming glaciation north of 40N.
Right now I’m not planning on using the model to make any predictions. Frank Stefani’s 2021 paper has some predictions that look mostly OK to me. Check out his paper here:
Climate | Free Full-Text | Solar and Anthropogenic Influences on Climate: Regression Analysis and Tentative Predictions (mdpi.com)
He isn’t expecting much warming over the next century. His most likely climate sensitivity is between 0.6 and 1.6. Personally, I favor the lower end of his range.
I cannot see any mechanism for CO2 to cause warming. So anyone using a parameter related to CO2 is unlikely to get a shelfful prediction. But anyone making a prediction is at least prepared to be wrong.
The fact that the Southern Ocean has a well established cooling trend invalidates any connection between CO2 and the current warming trend on globally averaged basis.
I expect my grandchildren to see the UAH increase of 0.13C/decade accelerate a little throughout their lifetimes. So well over 2C from pre-industrial levels on average before the snow starts to reduce average land temperature.
This year, the western North Pacific got up to 30C as high as 38N. There is enough sunlight to get a lot more of the North Pacific and North Atlantic up to 30C. The August SST for oceans between 20N and 60N is rising around 0.4C/decade and there is no reason for this trend to level out because the peak solar has only just started to increase.
The story is clearly of two hemispheres. Orbital precession and distribution of land provide the greatest insight into those opposite trends. As does the last four cycles of glaciation.
Of course, if CO2 increased to the point that the pressure at the earth’s surface approaches that of Venus, the story would change. The same thing if the pressure increase came from an increase in N2. The CO2 climate scare story relies on a water vapor positive feedback scenario. As you have said Rick, the models just don’t pick up the evaporative cooling, convection, cloud formation relationship with surface temperature. I heard Bill Gates talk about 36 C ocean SSTs in the tropics a while back. Oh well.
The current winter will be very snowy in the northern hemisphere, due to the ripples of the jet stream and associated cold fronts from the north.
story tip
There is a paper by the solar physicist, Valentina Zharkova, who discovered how two magnetic dynamos at different depths in the Sun give the 11-year sunspot cycle and another cycle of around 400 years. She says that the Sun is going to be cooling enough to lead to a mini-ice age for around 40 years with probable crop failures starting in a few years.
‘Modern Grand Solar Minimum will lead to terrestrial cooling’
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7575229/
We’ll see, the jury is out on that.
Andy, the White paper is available here. It claims to find an ~11-year cycle in the sea surface temperature data, viz:
I tried to replicate that result using the HadISST sea surface temperature dataset. It covers the period from 1870 through 2022.
I find the 2.2, 2.8, 3.5, 5.4, and 7-year periods, although they are very weak at only ~6% of the range of the underlying data. But I found nothing at 11 years.
Next, you point out that if you take a particular version of the six main solar cycles along with 7 tunable parameters you can get a pretty good fit to the temperature …
… the problem is, with seven tunable parameters I’d be shocked if you couldn’t match the temperature. A quick story about that from Freeman Dyson:
You have no less than seven parameters and “no clear physical picture to guide you”, so as I said, I’d only be surprised if you couldn’t make the elephant wiggle his trunk …
Next, if the solar cycles are giving a warming trend to the earth’s temperature, why are they not giving a similar trend to the solar output?
Finally, I question the procedure you are using, which amounts to this:
1) Extract say six underlying cycles in some given dataset.
2) Multiply each of the six cycles by six different carefully chosen parameters, add the value of a seventh parameter, and compare it to the temperature.
3) Declare success …
I’m with Fermi on this one. I’m “not impressed by the agreement between your calculated numbers and the observations” …
Too many parameters, too little theory …
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Willis,
I don’t disagree with most of what you’ve written but you completely missed my point.
As for White’s analysis, see attached. Frequency analysis doesn’t work for the solar cycles because their period varies. This is a problem with frequency analysis overall in the solar realm. This is mainly because we don’t know how the solar cycles work, only that they exist.
My point is that the IPCC is ignoring abundant evidence that solar cycles have an impact on climate change and that impact could be higher than CO2. All your criticisms of solar cycles equally apply to CO2. I say in the post that my regression study does not prove anything, it only casts considerable doubt on the IPCC assumption that CO2 did it all.
Other than those items I agree, and the post says the same thing. I think you need to reread it.
Here’s your ‘global warming’
It wasn’t easy getting that picture, it’s a snapshot from a little video I shot.
The machine was barely 50 yards away there, any further and it was invisible inside the dust storm it was creating – hence all the blazing lights the driver was using to see where he was.
haha – so much for the £30,000 GPS system it had installed.
Even something that size would ‘struggle’ should it find itself in a 35foot deep Fenland Ditch and how you’d rescue it is another matter entirely, despite its caterpillar tracks
You never thought that John Deere made Ice-Making Machines did you – but he does
here he is again, so you can get *some* idea of the dust storm being raised.
Lovely picture that as it illustrates the stellar intellect that is e.g. ‘Brandon’ = one that pervades all of Climate Science
It is that: Those buildings on the right and behind the combine are Cold Stores – for tomatoes and lettuce imported from Spain – 2 fortyfour-foot ‘artic’ trailer-loads go into there, per day, 7 days per week.
Tell us again Sputnik, Just how much greener is the UK now than 20 years ago?
The madness is perfect and complete
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Even in the most rural of rural, Urban Heat Island will bite you.
Because when the thermostats in that cold store in the photo, (and hundreds more surrounding here and 100’s of thousands in fields/farms worldwide) when those thermostats ‘call for cold’ – huge compressors will strike up creating immense bubbles of warm air.
Because they like to ‘save money’ and use Off Peak Electricity, they build their coldness at night, when the air is typically calm and settled.
A lot of them are diesel powered also.
As a result, those bubbles of warm air will roll across the countryside for miles, upsetting any thermometers they come upon as they pass.
Now you understand why UHI is predominatly a ‘Night Time Phenomena?
Big fridges and freezers everywhere using cheap night-time electricity to build their ‘ice banks’ to help them through the daytime
The winter that has begun in North America and Europe may be the longest winter in decades in these regions. A great deal of energy will be needed.

I remind you that in January the Earth will move away from the Sun in orbit.
From the article: “How additional CO2 can warm Earth’s surface is understood, but the climate sensitivity[2] to CO2 is not known. Recent published estimates of the sensitivity, range from near zero to over 5°C/2xCO2 (2xCO2 means doubling of the CO2 concentration).”
Yes, this is basically the situation. We don’t know if CO2 net warms the atmosphere or net cools the atmosphere.
Knowing this, what should we think about people who claim they know exactly how much warmth a certain amount of CO2 will add to the Earth’s atmosphere?
Answer: We should think that they don’t know what they are talking about. They are either seriously misinformed, or they are lying for one reason or another.
Sorry, I just can’t take a comparison study seriously that uses HadCRUT5.
How can treating Phil Jones’ illegitimate, bogus, bastardized, instrument-era Hockey Stick chart as representing reality give legitimate results?
How can we conclude anything from science fiction?
Phil Jones won’t even tell us how he created the bogus, instrument-era Hockey Stick.
Of course, we can guess, since we have the land temperature data which does not show a Hockey Stick profile, so Phil Jones included made-up sea surface temperatures and added them into the mix in his computer, in order to lower the temperatures in the past to make it appear that temperatures in the present are unprecedentedly warm.
I don’t see how using a scam in a scientific study is useful.
I don’t disagree with you on HadCRUT5, but I used it because the IPCC used it. The article was about why the IPCC assumption that CO2 is the only cause of warming was baseless.
Agreed!
The first graphic shows the distribution of ozone in the entire column of air in the atmosphere. A large excess over Kamchatka can be seen.


The second graphic shows how this affects the circulation in the stratosphere (the current polar vortex pattern). We can see that the polar vortex bypasses the ozone patch from the north and descends over North America, all the way to the Great Lakes.
There is still a large ozone hole over Antarctica.

Dear Andy, insightful and very interesting, as ever.
But I have a question: we know that HadCRUT5 includes data adjustments, hence is it not the case that any model cannot correlate to the munged data as well as if there had been no adjustments? In other words, you can’t fit a soundly-based curve to faked-up data.
I was wondering how you accounted for this, and what effect it has on the R^2 outcome.
Thanks in advance…
Jules.
I ignored the problems with the HadCRUT5 record since my point was to discredit the IPCC CO2 assumption. The statistical technique I used (multiple regression) assumes no error in HadCRUT5. This is the same assumption made by the IPCC in AR6, when they compute the impact of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.
Andy, as a sense check what would these regression parameters imply as a temp change for the the next Bray peak (which I think by your assumptions would be ~4000 AD)?
The next Bray peak is about 2600-2700.
“These two long cycles correlate with the most significant climate events in history, the Bray Cycle correlates with the Greek Dark Age (~ 1200 to 800BC) and the early part of the Little Ice Age (~ 1300 to 1600, we target 1470 as the Hallstatt low). The Eddy Cycle correlates with the Medieval Warm Period (~ 950 to 1250), the latter part of the Little Ice Age (~1500 to 1816, we target 1680 for the Eddy low), and the Modern Warm Period (~1940 to ~2005).”
The proposed Bray cycle does not exist in solar variability, and the Eddy cycle is too long. Grand solar minima series occur every 863 years, from 2225 BC, 1365 BC, 500 BC, 350 AD, 1215 AD, and the next series is from 2095. Invoking Bray leads to the poorest possible prediction for the next few centuries.
The best place to understand the solar forcing of climate at the scale of solar cycles is with the AMO, which is always warmer during centennial solar minima, and has distinct phase reversals relative to the sunspot cycles.
https://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/esrl-amo/from:1880/mean:13/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1880/normalise
Ulric,
Well, no one knows. The longer solar cycles appear to have the largest impact, but the weakest evidence. Lots of experts agree with you, Frank Stefani among them, but all we have are opinions at this point. Personally, I think the Bray Cycle exists, but I recognize that as an opinion, not a fact.
Paleoclimatologists, like me, tend to think it exists. Astronomers and physicists doubt its existence. The difference in opinion is mainly caused by what data is in front of you.
Andy,
Every third GSM series is close to 2590 years, although, every fourth GSM series at 3453 years is more apparent in the Greenland GISP2 proxy through the Holocene. And 863 years and multiples of 863 years should also show in the intervals of D-O events before the Holocene, it is a very stable cycle.
The 4627 synodic year cycle of the four gas giants does a have a pair of close analogues to the given start and end configurations, 179 years apart at 2224 and 2403 years in. But it says nothing about the ordering of solar cycles and their variability, because it doesn’t include Earth and Venus.
For all I care, astronomers can blow steam from their ears, as here is the astronomical evidence:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YOu7hHVEuaWWLuztj6ThEsJd7Z-765Uz-L68lQbRdbQ/edit