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By Paul Homewood
Archaeologists surveyed melting ice patches in Canada and uncovered dozens of ancient artifacts spanning 7,000 years. Photos show the “unique” — and perishable — finds.
After two winters with “extremely low snowpack,” researchers set out to survey several melting ice patches in Mount Edziza Provincial Park in the summer of 2019, according to a study published Oct. 31 in the Journal of Field Archaeology.
Mount Edziza Provincial Park is a volcanic landscape that is “extremely significant” to the Tahltan, one of Canada’s indigenous First Nations, the study said. The Tahltan have used the mountains for seasonal hunts for centuries and continue to do so today.
Previous scientists had located many “vast obsidian quarries” and obsidian artifacts in the park, but the nearby ice patches had not been studied as extensively. Researchers said they were intrigued by the possibility of finding perishable ancient artifacts preserved in the ice.
So as the ice melted under the summer sun, researchers visited nine ice patches — and found 56 perishable artifacts, the study said.
“Most of the perishable artifacts were manufactured from wood, including birch bark containers, projectile shafts, and walking staffs,” researchers said. Other artifacts were made “using animal remains include a stitched hide boot and carved antler and bone tools.”
A 3,000-year-old pair of stick wrapped in animal hide found in the ice.
Archaeologists found two bark containers with stitching. A photo shows one of these containers. The 2,000-year-old piece of bark is folded with two rows of stitching along one side and some of the stitching material still left in the holes, the study said.
The other “unique” bark container has sticks stitched into its sides, suggesting it was part of a reinforced basket used for transporting heavy loads. Researchers said it dated back over 1,400 years.
Archaeologists also uncovered an artifact made of stitched animal hide that they identified as the remains of a moccasin-like boot. A photo shows the 6,200-year-old fabric. It has “two different thicknesses of hide … which have been stitched in multiple places,” the study said.
Mount Edziza Provincial Park is in British Columbia and near the Canada-U.S. border with Alaska. The park is about 660 miles northwest of Vancouver and about 155 miles southeast of Juneau.
https://news.yahoo.com/melting-ice-reveals-dozens-7-221609873.html
Now I wonder why they went to all that bother burying things under the ice 7000 years ago?
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Those people were skillful at working hide.
Whereas today’s genius Climate “Scientists” are much more skillful at hiding from work.
That hide looks to have been tanned first.
Yes. Perhaps it’s from aging.
Maybe there was more sunny days back then 😂
The “traditional” mitts that were sold in far north Quebec a few years ago were un-tanned. They had to be kept in the freezer when not in use. I was impressed by how warm they were.
That whole valley was filled with a glacier about 6000 ft thick about 20,000 years ago, when CO2 was just as low as it is now, which means global warming is a hoax
Then, it started to melt and eventually a lake was created, and all that time CO2 hardly changed
During summer, people lived in the edge of the lake for fishing and hunting about 7000 years ago
During winter, they moved to much more protected winter bivouacs, such as natural caves
Dont think this area of Northern BC not far from Alaska was covered by Laurentian or Cordilleran ice sheet during last glaciations. For various reasons the Beringia region did not develop very thick ice sheets .
As well the park is a highly volcanic region
This time a frequent problem in Alaska that isn’t the result of climate change.
My brother came home after an exhilarating night in the ER when he was in medical school. A woman had fallen into a snow bank and was brought in with no pulse. They had a great time warming her from the inside with lavage and restarting her heart. He said she was a bit addled, but it was not clear how much was due to this incident, and how much from the bad booze she had been drinking for years.
The reason they were able to resucitate her was because the vasodilation due to very high blood alcohol level led to very rapid cooling in the snowbank.
It’s even better… “spanning 7,000 years”, so assuming they’re anywhere close to accurate, which is impossible to prove, these finds are all in ice layers that have been melting and refreezing for many years.
Maybe, maybe not. From what we know of the ice patch and glacier finds is that not all areas were melted and frozen at the same times, or many times at all. Here they may have been – it’s interesting that the heavier leather and bark items have survived, it may mean that less substantial items may not have survived. The only other ice-patch archaeology I was aware of was in Mongolia and they are finding similar artifacts and textiles over 3,000 years old, suggesting a different period of freezing and less periods of melting, or the textiles may not have survived. Very interesting stuff though.
Not to forget the 3000-year-old Iceman in the Alps!
5500 y
How is it that climatards don’t make the connection between artifacts formerly UNDER the ice and the fact that the place was just as warm and most likely far warmer thousands of years before fossil fuels were being used.
That’s a rhetorical question, right!?
Kind of built into the ‘climatard’ part.
They don’t make the connection because it’s against their pagan religion.
Seems to have been a bit warmer then than now.
The GHE works in mysterious ways, obviously.
Now, now, now…
Any warming occurring prior to 1750 was obviously cyclical and natural.
Any warming occurring post 1900 is all Supernatural.
Any warming occurring from 1750 to 1900 is debatable… Just ask the Master Debaters
Bryan,
Or the mass debaters, if you are low class like me.
cute!
In fishing tournaments they are known as master baiters!
Its ways are not your ways sayeth the Lord CO2.
hadnt heard of the Journal of Field Archaeology so thought it might be worth a look
Didnt expect to find amoung the peer reviewed articles a full retraction
Some of the authors specialised in ‘Climate and Archaeology’
Oh dears
Dear Ohs:
So what!?
Ya gotta point you wanted to make?
And what’s YOUR point? And, what or who is Ohs?
Apparently he/she thought it was a clever play-on-words.
Occupational Health & Safety
Oooohh!
A big bad playground bully…
The question I posed is legitimate and is still unanswered.
What is the purpose of posting about a retracted study?
I checked the authors list and didn’t notice anyone involved in both papers.
As far as I can see, outside of a retraction, retracted at some undefined time, the only other possibility might, just might, be about the retracted authors climate and archaeology specialization.
Yes, I used words from Duker’s comment to purposely avoid implying the question is personal or an error.
Back to the question about the post, what is the point?
The point is peer review is a sham. it was a paywall so couldnt read the the sham conclusions . Authors seem to claim some expertise in paleo-climatology
No connection to the article featured here, dont know how you came to that conclusion as I never claimed it.
Poor attempt at concern trolling , peer reviewed scientist are you ?
RetractionWatch have a more complete version of events, the ‘Journal of Field Archaeology’ retraction notice does appear to be a bit of a whitewash. Apparently the authors of the paper made several fundamental errors – miscitations, misinformation and incorrect observations, but also used data and artefacts found by another scientist who had previously worked in the area, claiming them as their own work. Not just poor methodology or procedure but fraudulent as well.
The authors didn’t have enough brains to check their data before publishing in a peer reviewed journal?
Apparently the peer reviewers and editors didn’t either.
See my reply to ATheoK above and have a look at the entry on retractionwatch. It’s very revealing about not just this paper but the state of academia today – it’s a damning indictment of the peer-review process and the university/ethics system in general. If this can happen once then who knows how many others slipped through undetected without proper scrutiny?
It is interesting because glaciers on land can end up as ice shelves over oceans. That simple fact creates an unstable “tipping” point such that once ice shelves begin to melt in enough numbers, the process accelerates and they actually cool the ocean surface and shut down the process of their ongoing formation despite increasing solar intensity.
The paradox is that the same solar conditions that cause the start of the melt cause the start of glaciation. Both occur when the peak solar intensity in the NH is increasing. That is the reason that interglacials last around 1/2 to 3/4 of a precession cycle. Solar rising in the NH to get out of interglacial for less than half a cycle. Then the top of that cycle right down to the next rise is the low ice period. But there is some cooling without glaciation just because the solar intensity is low.
The summer solstice solar intensity peaked at 44N 11,200 years ago. A short time after that, the Earth’s surface would have reached its warmest state – on average. The peak intensity dropped till 500 years ago when it began its long rise to the next peak in 9,000 years. Earth is currently close to peak melt because the ice shelves in the NH have mostly gone with a few clinging to Greenland and other land bordering the Arctic Ocean. Northern oceans are warming quite rapidly and snowfall records are becoming common occurrences.
Today New England is reporting record snowfall:
Yesterday it was Worcester in UK.
Snowfall records will be common events for around 9,000 years. So this time round the precession cycle will be quite different to when large numbers of glaciers were dipping into oceans the last time the solar intensity in the NH started to increase..
“Today New England is reporting record snowfall”
Lots of snow in the area- 30″ in the Catskills just to the west in NY. But none here in Wokeachusetts, so far. If we get 30″ I’ll be happy to get out my snowshoes.
Not sure that’s Worcester in the UK, it’s turned colder here now but I don’t think England has seen much snow.
It isn’t, it’s Worcester, Wokeachussets. Both comments are about the same weather in New England.
So, 2,000 years ago, people were using the area, before a glacier formed there?
“The other “unique” bark container has sticks stitched into its sides, suggesting it was part of a reinforced basket used for transporting heavy loads. Researchers said it dated back over 1,400 years.”
Now we learn that around 600 AD there still wasn’t a glacier there.
Sure seems like alarmists claims to modern unprecedented warmth is warmer than any of the past
180,000years,2,000,000years, 16 million years is just more alarmist hooey without any actuality.Quelle surprise!
And of course, before Antarctica became covered with ice, it wasn’t. Under a few kilometers of ice are plentiful remains of flora and fauna. Much warmer than now, it seems.
True but Antarctica has moved over millions of years into it’s present location. It was once a temperate continent.
Richard,
I wish I could share your certainty, but if Antarctica only took millions of years to move from one unknown location to its present one, where were the other continents at the time when Antarctica was temperate?
Or is your knowledge of the Warmist cult type – very specific, except when subjected to scrutiny?
Come on, tell me where the Antarctica was “millions of years” ago?
i think you are just making stuff up, but maybe you actually know what you are talking about. Throw some facts my way.
Oh for heavens sake, what am I, your teacher? This is stuff I’ve picked up over years of being interested in how our planet evolved and changed and now you want me to spoon-feed you because you don’t have the wits or intelligence to research it for yourself?
I’ll give you a starter for 10: “Scientists have discovered remnants of a swampy, temperate rainforest that thrived in Antarctica about 90 million years ago. They were surprised to find fossil remnants of this forest in a sediment core sample retrieved in February 2017 from the ocean floor of the Amundsen sea off the coast of West Antarctica.”
For how all of the continents have moved you’ll really have to look up plate tectonics and how each of the plates have either been drifting apart or moving together. What I will say is that it looks as if Australia and Antarctica have moved significantly in that time – Australia further north to where it is now and Antarctica further south from a temperate zone to where it is now.
And please don’t ask for links, I’m on my phone and it’s a pain to do them. If you can’t research it yourself then ask someone (else) who can. Next time you want to be bloody insulting to someone just making a comment, expect the same in return.
If you research it further you’ll find the dating gets even closer. Bearing in mind it would likely have been a warmer world anyway up to a point – the southernmost latitudes would still have been cold, an expedition to Antarctica found dinosaur fossils dated to around 71 million years ago. Dinosaurs are not normally associated with extremely cold areas.
It took me all of 5 seconds to find this animation, there are dozens out there created by many different organizations.
The information is out there, it’s easy to find. Yet some people not only don’t look for it, they seem to be proud of their ignorance.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/1-billion-years-of-tectonic-plate-movement/
I will suggest that you rethink your initial premise that ‘millions of years’ is too short a timescale for the continents to have moved though. The Jurassic period marks the point when the supercontinent ‘Pangea’ started moving apart to (eventually) form the continents we have now and that was only around 200 million years ago. 150 million years ago, the breakup is quite marked, Antarctica moving southwards, away from Africa and South America, towards the South Pole. 70 million years ago Antarctica is still in the temperate zone, as marked by the remnants of temperate flora – very different flora than if it was in the Arctic or subarctic zone, temperature notwithstanding. The timescale is much, much shorter than you probably realise.
Mike, earliest stories of explorers seeking Antarctica were that they sailed off the edge of the earth before they could pinpoint exactly where Antarctica was.
I read in a peer reviewed paper though that Prof. M. Mann applied his patented geological reconstruction algorithms (a little side earner he had) and with the assistance of a Prof Indiana Jones, they were able to publish that Antarctica was approximately in the Southern Hemisphere millions of years ago.
(It may by now be in the equatorial zone due to global warming, but that’s another study yet to be published)
Mike, that continents move has been well known for at least 50 years. That scientists can tell where a continent was millions of years ago is also well known, there are a number of techniques that can be used to determine where a piece of land was at a given point in time.
The fact that you are ignorant of basic science is no excuse to be sarcastic.
TIP TIP
A23a: World’s biggest iceberg on the move after 30 years
That will become a big story. More proof of global warming for sure.
The only indigenous people are living in Eastern Africa — possibly the Sudanese.
Ice-patch archaeology is well-developed as an archaeology subfield. In North America, reindeer and other animals took refuge over ice patches during the summer from the constant attack by insects, and human hunters followed them there. Rests of hunted animals and lost or damaged weaponry are liable to be carbon-dated. So the findings that can be dated are more abundant from the periods when the ice patches expanded (i.e. cold periods). In the Alps, the findings are more abundant from the warm periods, that freed mountain passes, and the ensuing cold periods buried the material.
This figure is from my first book. It is interesting that the findings from North America identify the cold periods resulting from the Eddy (millennial) solar cycle with a peak a little before every millennium mark.
Is the snow melting, or doing as it did on Kilimanjaro and, evaporating?
That question REALLY DOES need answering because it defines what is happening to ‘climate’
If it is melting, there are 2 possibilities:
1/ What is referred to as pollution’ but actually isn’t = soot, smoke, dust, metal salts acting as de-icers etc
2/ Trapped heat in the desperately contrived green house effect
If it is evaporating and not being replaced by precipitation, that points firmly at ‘Ridiculously Resistant Ridges‘
IOW: Katabatic Heating = the self-reinforcing creation of desert
Deserts being noted for their distinct lack of water (and ice)
If evaporation via Katabatic heating is the case, it really is Mankind’s Worst Nightmare come true – exactly because it is a positive feedback self-reinforcing mechanism because once set in motion, you’ve got the entire world’s ocean working against you.
To find out = simplicity itself:
Check the local barometric pressure records and also wind-speeds and especially direction for stations near the coast of whatever mainland you are on.
If annual pressure averages above 1013mB and or the winds blow offshore more often than onshore, you are in big trouble.
we all are
You’ve said some pretty crazy stuff over the years Peta, but let me get this straight. You think that something that hasn’t happened in 4-plus billion years is suddenly happening now?
Rich,
That’s the miracle of the GHE. Makes the planet hotter, colder, or possibly both simultaneously. Confused Warmists get completely tongue-tied when asked what the GHE is supposed to do. They don’t know or refuse to say!
A good ploy – if they never say anything that can be objectively scrutinised, nobody can show how clueless they are.
1) Antarctica is considered a desert, and it has lots of ice.
2) Katabatic heating happens all over the world. It is not evidence of anything other than winds flowing downhill.
3) Having a glacier that evaporates away because of a drop in the amount of replacement snow is evidence of nothing other than the fact that rainfall patterns change over time.
STORY TIP?
I remember the Winter of 1976/77, Timmins Ontario, Canada, working at the Kidd Creek Copper Mine. It was very Cold back then: -40 C was a regular occurrence, maybe it got a bit warmer as of late? Everything in Nature goes through Cycles. Just on Tuesday I discovered that Byrd Station in Antarctica had an All-Time Cold Record in August 2023 of -45.54 C. Compare that with 1980 when it was only around -28 C back then in Augst on Antarctica.
So, maybe the Roles of the Poles reversed somewhat over time. Hey, that even rhymes!
From my Linked In post:
Activity | Frits Buningh | LinkedIn:
I did a trip around Superior and just outside of White River on Highway 17 was a large thermometer saying “coldest spot in Canada”. 75 below F.
Is Timmins a “sister city” of some city in Poland, and has its Role Changed?
In a salute to modern sensitivities, it has transitioned to a “brother city!”
How is this article about a warmer time 7000 years ago in Canada relevant to modern day climate change?
Good question. How about the climate enthusiasts claims that it is warmer today than in the last 100,000 years? Or that todays warming is completely unprecedented for its scale and rate of increase? Do you perhaps think that this article, showing rapid freezing and thawing from temperatures as high or higher than today, might then be relevant as a means of putting some context into the temperature record, some way of debunking the incorrect paleo reconstruction and the very wrong assertions I mention above? Now do you see that this might just be relevant, as well as being interesting in its own right?
Fascinating story and the painting at the top is beautifully done. It would be great if some of the wonderful art for stories on this site came with credits and details of origin.
This is just more evidence that it was warmer in the past and a period of cooling occurred since lasting thousands of years. Makes it hard for the climate change catastrophists to define exactly what the perfect climate should be that they are asking us all to achieve through communal sacrifice.