Station temperatures and UAH Satellite temperatures are like comparing apples to oranges. It does not make any sense to draw any comparisons between the two.
AlanJ
October 12, 2023 6:36 am
Which temperature data is more accurate? NASA admits the surface stations are.
So… now we don’t like the satellite data?
As an aside, does anyone know how the temperature.global index is calculated? Their website says nothing at all about their methodology.
“In contrast, the Temperature.global compilation of actual temperature measurements from surface stations has September only slightly warmer than the average monthly temperature of the past 8 years and 9 months, and far from the warmest month since January 2015.”
Not sure if there’s much point reading after that.
Unless someone will actually explain how Temperature.global works, why would anyone trust it’s values that have no relation to any serious data set, satellite or surface?
Still it’s good to see agreement that temperatures from surface instruments are more reliable than from satellites.
starzmom
October 12, 2023 7:00 am
Where I live in Kansas, the local news media persist in talking about the record hot summer. First of all, it has not been anywhere near a record summer anywhere nearby. Second, the airport, where the official temperatures are recorded, is surrounded by an increasing number of giant warehouses, office buildings and hotels. It used to be out in the country. Not so much now. And finally, the “record” that is the most trumpeted is a calculated heat index for Lawrence, Kansas, back in July or August–that was calculated to be 134 degrees F. The actual temperature was much lower–maybe 100F–and definitely not a record.
It is just scare tactics all the way around, and many people are not sophisticated and knowledgeable to see that.
“The fake global warming statistic “average global temperature” for Summer 2023 was boosted upward by an unusually strong Antarctic heat wave, an event that is now detected by satellites.”
According to UAH data, it was a record summer in the Northern Hemisphere, 0.26°C warmer than the previous record from 1998.
In contrast, the South Pole was only the 13th warmest June-August period, 0.91°C below the warmest year.
One issue with the NOAA polar satellites (the data sources for the UAH) is that the sampling is highly nonuniform because the gridding used is fixed at 2.5° x 2.5°. This means that the area of the grid trapezoids varies as a function of latitude (by a lot). At high latitudes the grids will be sampled several times per day (and above 85° they overlap so no data is reported for the poles). By 30° latitude several days can elapse between samplings; low latitudes are worse. They certainly cannot capture daily high and lows over the entire globe.
This means that weather changes lasting several days at low latitudes can be missed. It is instructive to note that the regions in the UAH that always show the highest variations are the high latitudes.
ResourceGuy
October 12, 2023 9:09 am
Or just playing the climate crisis card to deflect attention from unfavorable news coverage and suck up to the ruling Party.
Ofgems solution to costly electricity costs driving consumer debt due in large to renewable subsidies, levies, CfDs etc, charge those consumers more – meanwhile those billions in profits announced in summer continue
Frankly, the Fact Check terminology-format-methodology used during the pandemic leaves me a bit disturbed because it was used for political narrative management and control during the pandemic. …….that is political expediency not truth.
Why use it in WUWT? Why not simply rebut those the false climate change claims scientifically one at a time (which I believe has already been done on WUWT for the most part) and then give a summary of the rebuttals. So instead of “Fact Check” use “Summary of scientifically rebutted Climate change claims”. Let the authority come from the scientific process not fact checking.
We don’t want to give the appearance of duplicating narrative management and control for political purposes.
I am sure that the temptation is to go political, which is ok but not for a science blog. This is especially true when many who comment have little to offer scientifically and who oppose the climate change movement politically…. myself included.
The Green Regimers don’t care about science or facts so fact checking won’t impact them. It’s the vast majority of us lay individuals who need to understand what is going on with all the claims about climate and how science is supposed to work.
W
Lee Riffee
October 12, 2023 12:32 pm
IMO if you really want to know if it was as hot (or hotter) than now decades ago, you ought to talk to people who lived in those times. My mom has many stories about how miserably hot it could be in summer and how she and my uncles would take their mattresses downstairs and sleep on the screened in porch.
I spend a lot of time around elderly people (as part of my job) and I’ve heard many more accounts of past hellish heat and stifling humidity. All in a time where almost no one had AC and you were lucky if you had an electric fan.
With regards to AC, personally I think young people today are so totally spoiled that if they step outside maybe they really do feel like they are going to pass out due to the heat. In past pre-AC times, people were more acclimated to the heat and just learned to deal with it. They did farming and yard work early in the morning and late in the evening if possible (like Spain with its famous siestas to avoid having to work in the heat of the day). Many people had “summer” kitchens in their homes – usually an attached room that could be closed off from the rest of the house to cook in without heating up the house. Windows in homes were designed for natural ventilation.
I remember when I was a kid I would go outside and play in the morning, come in and cool down for the afternoon, and then go out again after dinner, find my friends and play until it got dark.
Therefore, this tiny fraction of a degree “hottest eva” summer is essentially an illusion. When you are born and raised with AC at home, at work, in the car, etc it will naturally feel a heck of a lot hotter when you do have to go outside.
Phillip Bratby
October 12, 2023 12:49 pm
Why is it all WAPO or NYT (what happened to the Grauniad and the BBC)?
There was also a record so-called ‘ozone hole’ this last September — earlier, deeper, and more wide spread. What is that all about? It is usually associated with very cold stratospheric temperatures.
Thursday funny
Remember the researcher refusing to fly back to work?
“”Refusing to fly has lost me my job as a climate researcher. It’s a price worth paying”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/12/fly-climate-breakdown-germany-climate-change-papua-new-guinea
Presumably he has the funds to get back?
Station temperatures and UAH Satellite temperatures are like comparing apples to oranges. It does not make any sense to draw any comparisons between the two.
So… now we don’t like the satellite data?
As an aside, does anyone know how the temperature.global index is calculated? Their website says nothing at all about their methodology.
“In contrast, the Temperature.global compilation of actual temperature measurements from surface
stations has September only slightly warmer than the average monthly temperature of the past 8 years and 9 months, and far from the warmest month since January 2015.”
Not sure if there’s much point reading after that.
Unless someone will actually explain how Temperature.global works, why would anyone trust it’s values that have no relation to any serious data set, satellite or surface?
Still it’s good to see agreement that temperatures from surface instruments are more reliable than from satellites.
Where I live in Kansas, the local news media persist in talking about the record hot summer. First of all, it has not been anywhere near a record summer anywhere nearby. Second, the airport, where the official temperatures are recorded, is surrounded by an increasing number of giant warehouses, office buildings and hotels. It used to be out in the country. Not so much now. And finally, the “record” that is the most trumpeted is a calculated heat index for Lawrence, Kansas, back in July or August–that was calculated to be 134 degrees F. The actual temperature was much lower–maybe 100F–and definitely not a record.
It is just scare tactics all the way around, and many people are not sophisticated and knowledgeable to see that.
“The fake global warming statistic “average global temperature” for Summer 2023 was
boosted upward by an unusually strong Antarctic heat wave, an event that is now detected by
satellites.”
According to UAH data, it was a record summer in the Northern Hemisphere, 0.26°C warmer than the previous record from 1998.
In contrast, the South Pole was only the 13th warmest June-August period, 0.91°C below the warmest year.
One issue with the NOAA polar satellites (the data sources for the UAH) is that the sampling is highly nonuniform because the gridding used is fixed at 2.5° x 2.5°. This means that the area of the grid trapezoids varies as a function of latitude (by a lot). At high latitudes the grids will be sampled several times per day (and above 85° they overlap so no data is reported for the poles). By 30° latitude several days can elapse between samplings; low latitudes are worse. They certainly cannot capture daily high and lows over the entire globe.
This means that weather changes lasting several days at low latitudes can be missed. It is instructive to note that the regions in the UAH that always show the highest variations are the high latitudes.
Or just playing the climate crisis card to deflect attention from unfavorable news coverage and suck up to the ruling Party.
The IRS says Microsoft may owe about $29 billion in back taxes. Microsoft disagrees (yahoo.com)
https://electroverse.info/europes-arctic-blast-1-5m-of-snow-solar-wind-scientists-grand-solar-minimum/
We’re gonna need a bigger gas, coal & nuclear generator base
https://climatechangedispatch.com/the-climate-war-is-over-china-won/
I think it’s fair to say, the West is doomed on its current trajectory
https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/10/12/ofgem-sounds-alarm-energy-debt-hits-2-6bn/
Ofgems solution to costly electricity costs driving consumer debt due in large to renewable subsidies, levies, CfDs etc, charge those consumers more – meanwhile those billions in profits announced in summer continue
The “Fear” part is definitely from the MSM.
Frankly, the Fact Check terminology-format-methodology used during the pandemic leaves me a bit disturbed because it was used for political narrative management and control during the pandemic. …….that is political expediency not truth.
Why use it in WUWT? Why not simply rebut those the false climate change claims scientifically one at a time (which I believe has already been done on WUWT for the most part) and then give a summary of the rebuttals. So instead of “Fact Check” use “Summary of scientifically rebutted Climate change claims”. Let the authority come from the scientific process not fact checking.
We don’t want to give the appearance of duplicating narrative management and control for political purposes.
I am sure that the temptation is to go political, which is ok but not for a science blog. This is especially true when many who comment have little to offer scientifically and who oppose the climate change movement politically…. myself included.
The Green Regimers don’t care about science or facts so fact checking won’t impact them. It’s the vast majority of us lay individuals who need to understand what is going on with all the claims about climate and how science is supposed to work.
W
IMO if you really want to know if it was as hot (or hotter) than now decades ago, you ought to talk to people who lived in those times. My mom has many stories about how miserably hot it could be in summer and how she and my uncles would take their mattresses downstairs and sleep on the screened in porch.
I spend a lot of time around elderly people (as part of my job) and I’ve heard many more accounts of past hellish heat and stifling humidity. All in a time where almost no one had AC and you were lucky if you had an electric fan.
With regards to AC, personally I think young people today are so totally spoiled that if they step outside maybe they really do feel like they are going to pass out due to the heat. In past pre-AC times, people were more acclimated to the heat and just learned to deal with it. They did farming and yard work early in the morning and late in the evening if possible (like Spain with its famous siestas to avoid having to work in the heat of the day). Many people had “summer” kitchens in their homes – usually an attached room that could be closed off from the rest of the house to cook in without heating up the house. Windows in homes were designed for natural ventilation.
I remember when I was a kid I would go outside and play in the morning, come in and cool down for the afternoon, and then go out again after dinner, find my friends and play until it got dark.
Therefore, this tiny fraction of a degree “hottest eva” summer is essentially an illusion. When you are born and raised with AC at home, at work, in the car, etc it will naturally feel a heck of a lot hotter when you do have to go outside.
Why is it all WAPO or NYT (what happened to the Grauniad and the BBC)?
The GBR corals tell the story-
Climate Change Crisis: The Great Barrier Reef Loses Half of Its Coral Population (msn.com)
We’re all doomed!
There was also a record so-called ‘ozone hole’ this last September — earlier, deeper, and more wide spread. What is that all about? It is usually associated with very cold stratospheric temperatures.