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October 7, 2023 2:05 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66857354 World breaches key 1.5C warming mark for record number of days. El Niño, active sun, plus goodness knows what other influences there maybe.

Reply to  JohnC
October 7, 2023 6:36 am

“World breaches key 1.5C warming mark for record number of days”

You couldn’t tell it from here. We were in the 80’sF and 90’sF as few days ago. Now, it’s 42F outside.

Scissor
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 7, 2023 6:49 am

Frosty McWinter is peaking around the corner here.

Reply to  Scissor
October 7, 2023 7:46 am

Okay, that explains the white stuff on the summit of Pikes Peak here. I thought a salt truck had spilled over…

Reply to  JohnC
October 7, 2023 9:14 am

Well that solves the Adaptation or Mitigation question.
We’ve not mitigated so we have to adapt.

Finally we can all agree that the current Green policies are pointless.

Rich Davis
Reply to  MCourtney
October 7, 2023 10:24 am

Yes we have to adapt to nicer weather, more bountiful crops, fewer cold weather deaths, the list of impacts is extensive. It’s a nightmare!

October 7, 2023 2:25 am

Apparently today is World EV Day.
Who knew?
I just got an email from Tripadvisor offering me a free EV trial trip sponsored by Shell.

I am waiting for Ingrowing Toenail Day which will celebrate a disease caused by CAGW.

strativarius
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 7, 2023 3:50 am

I doubt these people will want to know, somehow.

“A Cornish family of five has been left devastated by a house fire.

On the night of 2 October, people driving by a house in Ruddlemoor, St Austell, noticed an electric car on fire outside a family home.

Julie and David Hensby were alerted of the fire by the strangers and rescued their three children who were sleeping before the fire service arrived at 11.15pm.  Julie said: “If it wasn’t for [those strangers] then this could have been a whole different story.  “I got my girls out and then had to run back in to alert my disabled son of the fire.”

“The neighbours all had to flee their houses as the van started to catch fire to the electrical wires and there were explosions going off as the fire took hold. “It was engulfed in flames within 10 minutes of us escaping.”

Now a few days on, the family are in emergency accommodation until their home can be repaired – which could take months.  Julie said: “We only have the clothes that we are wearing but we have lost everything in the house.

“I will never trust an electric van again. 
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2023-10-05/family-of-five-loses-everything-in-devastating-fire

Reply to  strativarius
October 7, 2023 5:08 am

Geoff interviewed the family:

strativarius
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
October 7, 2023 5:39 am

Doing things in good faith works as a personal salve

Reply to  strativarius
October 7, 2023 2:33 pm

They want to build multiple nuclear bomb size energy storage for solar and wind installations that would devastate anything in a 100 mile radius should they explode.

Reply to  strativarius
October 7, 2023 2:55 pm

Here what an electric bike can do.
https://youtu.be/OVZ-R8gPPto?si=_GI_U8N025yIw0Lz

J Boles
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 7, 2023 5:55 am

What about that couple driving pole to pole in an EV? Probably there by now. (not!)

Reply to  Oldseadog
October 7, 2023 6:42 am

“I just got an email from Tripadvisor offering me a free EV trial trip sponsored by Shell.”

I think there is going to be a lot of promotion of electric vehicles in the near future. The U.S. government has changed the way they will pay subsidies for electric cars. Before, you had to wait to get the subsidy when you filed your annual income taxes. In January, you get the subsidy immediately upon purchase of an electric vehicle.

Story tip

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/06/1204077790/buying-electric-vehicle-ev-tax-credit-inflation-reduction-act

Getting a federal tax credit for buying an electric vehicle is about to get a lot easier — or at least, a lot faster.

“Starting in January, EV car shoppers won’t have to wait until tax season to pocket the incentive, worth up to $7,500. Instead, the credit will be available as cash in hand on the day of purchase — and it’ll be available regardless of the size of a customer’s tax bill.”

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Dave Andrews
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 7, 2023 10:30 am

According to the UK Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) new registrations of BEVs fell in September driven by a 14.3% decrease in registrations by private buyers.

As has been the case for a long time in the UK most EVs sold are fleet purchases

Note for our overseas friends :September is usually a strong market for new cars in the UK because of the new number plates.

Reply to  Dave Andrews
October 8, 2023 5:41 pm

I read an article just a few minutes ago saying the orders for the Ford F150 Lightning pickup truck were down 14 percent, while orders for the Ford F150 with an internal combustion engine were up 14 percent.

Ford is going to go broke trying to be the leader on electric cars.

Ford should not be taking advice from government bureaucrats about how to run the automobile business.

Let the market decide. Don’t flood the market with electric cars nobody wants to buy.

Reply to  Oldseadog
October 7, 2023 12:07 pm

“World EV Day”?
I thought it was supposed to be the “EV Decade”.
More Government interference needed?

corky
October 7, 2023 2:50 am

Why are so many pushers of climate crisis accorded such generous respect by realists? Most climate crisis themes are at best only partial truth and very often pure fabrication.

Denial of evidence is psychotic, no better than believing in fairies. If they believe in climate crisis they are mentally ill, if not they are confidence tricksters.

Rudyard Kipling had it right “We’re half of us thieves and most of us liars”

rovingbroker
October 7, 2023 3:17 am

In other news — It’s October 7 and there are freeze and frost warnings in the central US stretching from the Canadian border to northern Oklahoma.

From NWS, Norman, OK …

.SHORT TERM…
(Today and tonight)
Issued at 317 AM CDT Sat Oct 7 2023

Temperatures continue to fall early this morning under a ~1030
mb surface high, although some mid level stratus is likely keeping
them warmer across the southern half of OK and north TX. A frost
advisory remains in effect until 8 AM for our northern two tiers
of OK counties, where temperatures are already in the mid 30s. By
mid day, cloud cover will diminish area wide, but temperatures
will be slow to warm with the aforementioned high directly over
OK. Wind speeds will be very light under this high.

https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OUN&product=AFD

Won’t see any headlines screaming about this but there are plenty of fretting farmers.

strativarius
Reply to  rovingbroker
October 7, 2023 3:53 am

freeze and frost warnings in the central US”

In the UK Auntie Waffen BBC is having kittens about global heating….

It’s a real crisis – it’s going to be 24C today and I have to make a run to get more beer

October 7, 2023 3:21 am

Has anyone noticed how rapidly the computed estimate of the current global 2-meter air temperature is decreasing? It is a visibly steeper decline than the mean in this depiction.
https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/?dm_id=world

It’s a good time to be reminded that #NASA_Knew perfectly well that fourth-power radiative cooling can be expected to prevent runaway warming.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/16/wuwt-contest-runner-up-professional-nasa-knew-better-nasa_knew/

JCM
Reply to  David Dibbell
October 7, 2023 8:36 am

yes, there are strong stabilizing feedbacks (negative) in the outgoing LW spectra. As temperature increases, surface and atmospheric emission increases. Curiously, atmospheric emission increases more in cloudy sky than clear sky. This is because non gaseous atmospheric water molecules are full spectrum emitters.

strativarius
October 7, 2023 3:34 am

ULEZ Mania – It’s Catching

Camden/Islington in North London form “Metro-central” for the upper echelons of the Labour party, MPs include Tulip Siddiq and Keir Starmer – and next door are Emily ‘fatty’ Thornberry (aka Lady Nugee) and Jeremy Corbyn.

Whilst Rishi Sunak is claiming the war against the motorist is over, Labour hasn’t got the memo. Sadiq Khan’s ULEZ has got off to a disastrous start with over 800 cameras put out of action and several mobile vans suffering a similar fate. To make matters worse more than 900 drivers have been incorrectly fined without even entering the zone.

“Ulez camera that wrongly charged more than 900 drivers OUTSIDE the zone is removed just weeks after Sadiq Khan’s expansion of the scheme
Transport for London was forced to turn off a Ulez camera in Harrow “
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12594945/Ulez-camera-wrongly-charged-900-drivers-OUTSIDE-zone-remove.html

Now Camden council wants to impose an ULEZ of its own…

“Camden’s Labour-run council has proposed an additional ULEZ of its own which would introduce a new 75g/km C02 band and hike charges for diesel and petrol vehicles. The council also proposes to limit families and businesses to one car per permit, down from the original three. Camden is one of London’s poorer boroughs, with 34% of residents living in households with an income of below 60% of the UK median. They must be glad the council has their interests in mind…

Under new plans the cost of a business permit will be quadrupled and traders using a diesel car emitting average levels of carbon dioxide will be charged an extra £622 annually. Even short-term parking will be subject to graduated C02 charges. Meanwhile, doctors on call using the same car will be charged an additional £448 per year for providing medium-emission life-saving care. The party of the many strikes again…”

UPDATE: A government source tells Guido:

“Sir Keir’s own council is waging war on motorists. He may try to distance himself from Sadiq Khan’s ULEZ but his council is introducing their own version and limiting each house to just one car.”

Tories on the council are preparing for a fight on this…”
https://order-order.com/2023/10/05/labour-camden-council-proposes-its-own-ulez/

Remember how Oxford council declared a 15 minute city scheme would go ahead no matter what the public thought or wanted? According to the people who brought you probably the most foul concoction evah

“How to make the perfect Marmite spaghetti – recipe
https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/oct/04/how-to-make-the-perfect-marmite-spaghetti-recipe-felicity-cloake-comfort-food

The 15 minute city idea is a conspiracy theory

“Imagine a city in which you could walk or cycle to almost anywhere you needed to go in the time it takes to drink a cup of coffee. Shops, medical facilities and artistic sites would be spread throughout neighbourhoods. Remote and home working would be embraced.

Children could easily and safely cycle to school, breathing cleaner air. With less need for commuting, quieter streets could even be turned over to parks. Known as the “15-minute city” after the time it takes to get around, it’s a model that promises a return to local living – and a greener, healthier, more sustainable way of life. Sound idyllic? Not if you’re Rishi Sunak. 

…for a vocal few, the concept has become bound up in conspiracy theories”
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2023/oct/07/15-minute-cities-rishi-sunak-tories-conspiracy-theory

Curiously the link provided for ‘conspiracy theories‘ takes you to the Anti Defamation League‘s page on The Great Reset, which has absolutely nothing to do with places like Oxford.

It’s going to be a bumpy and expensive ride.

Reply to  strativarius
October 7, 2023 4:51 am

I don’t want to have to drive half and hour or more in every direction of the compass to fulful my needs, but no council is going to magick up any 15-minute “city” I would want to live in. Cold, hard, inesacapable mathematical truths mean the 15-minute zones will be filled with tiny outposts of the big chains, and they will carry only a few lines of products. That’s fine for milk and buttter and bottled water, but not much else. Anything even slightly niche…well, no.

strativarius
Reply to  quelgeek
October 7, 2023 5:40 am

The idea is absurd

October 7, 2023 4:12 am

This LINK to the Wisconsin State Climatology Office up until two weeks ago contained detailed graphs for several Wisconsin cities that displayed daily and annual high and low temperatures and precipitation records often back to the 19th century. See the graph below for the highest temperature by year since 1870 for Milwaukee. If you follow that same LINK today all the graphs have been replaced with a bunch of glitzy shit about climate change.

Someone running the show in Wisconsin didn’t like people like me looking at actual climate metrics for the state. At least that’s my opinion.

Unfortunately nobody including me ever saved any pages on the Way Back Machine

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Reply to  Steve Case
October 7, 2023 4:24 am

I’m wrong about the wayback machine here’s a LINK that works (-:

October 7, 2023 4:39 am

Anyone looked at Climate Reanalyser, and seen that the Antarctic anomaly is at 3.83C.

That’s a big drop from an anomaly of +5.3C only a week or so ago !

Climate Reanalyzer

Certainly gone colder than usual for October down here in NSW

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  bnice2000
October 7, 2023 8:25 am

What’s happening to the temperature in Antarctica right now?
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Reply to  bnice2000
October 7, 2023 10:45 am

Why would anyone look at Climate Reanalyzer?

Made-up-ery, all the way down.

Ireneusz Palmowski
October 7, 2023 4:52 am

What is the temperature on the morning of Oct. 7 in Nebraska and Kansans.
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Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
October 7, 2023 7:02 am

Yes, it’s getting chilly in the central U.S.

My average frost date is about November 1.

I’m wondering if we will make it until then this year.

I told my cucumbers they better hurry up!

Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 7, 2023 2:33 pm

In Eastern Europe winter also will start
with snow in Moskow on Sunday

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 8, 2023 12:35 am

No, first in Finland.

Ireneusz Palmowski
October 7, 2023 4:58 am

The wave of Arctic air will move to east US.
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Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
October 7, 2023 7:09 am

Yes, the jet stream “dip” (marked) has moved east from where it was over the West coast, to the central US and is bringing cooler air with it.

The dip will continue to move eastwards bringing cooler air down from the north, with it.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=-104.58,40.96,264/loc=-84.817,45.942

October 7, 2023 5:12 am

From BBC:“”This is not a normal wet day’ – warning as parts of Scotland hit by rain
Everyone’s definition of normal will be different but to be fair, about 2 inches of rain has fallen on Central Scotland inside the last 12 hours and shows no sign of abating. Time now = 13:00BST on 07 October

And here attached is why: Definitive proof Europe is now a desert.

What you see is a composite of:
On the left = surface winds directions and colour-coded speeds
On the right = wind speeds and directions at 250millibars

Left: See the blue circle on Scotland is where the rain is now torrential
See the thin red arrows = warm winds blowing over warm seas/waters and converging on Central Scotland from 3 different directions.
Also the big red circle is the high pressure system (heat dome ##) sitting on France, Spain, Germany and Italy.
NB What will be very hot offshore winds sweeping out over the Bay of Biscay, sucking up immense water from there, skirting around both sides of Ireland and re-converging on Scotland.
Where the mountains and Highlands of Scotland will be and are wringing the water out of that airstream.

Right: The air, once hoisted aloft and dried out, needs somewhere to come back down to the surface and see in the right-hand image where it goes (at 250mB altitude) = right back to Central Europe Where the whole loop repeats – Scotland now has its very own Pineapple Express
i.e. Scotland is the ascending leg of a Hadley cell and Europe is the decending leg of that same cell

neat huh
And none of it would be happening if there was any water within any of Europe. (Europe as defined within that big red circle)
Because if there was any water on Europe, that airflow over the Bay of Biscay would be flowing onto France and not off of France.

## On the Meteoblue chart, you can overlay the temperature stations for wherever you’re focussed on.
Recall I showed you one of those(?) and mentioned the Mistral was blowing down the valley it does, out over Marseille and into the Med.

Day before yesterday the Mistral was roaring and temps along its line were in the high-twenties Celsius
Today and no surprise with that big offshore blast, the Mistral has vanished. Temps that were in mid to high twenties are now barely above freezing.

Holy cow, vast numbers of UK folks dream of moving (and have done) to South of France because of the Nice Climate and Warm weather

Were any of them expecting that = moving to and living in a full blown desert?

Crazy innit – hot is now cold and wet is now dry.
Simultaneously.

Scotland vs Europe 07 Oct 23.PNG
Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Peta of Newark
October 7, 2023 8:57 am

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October 7, 2023 7:38 am

I’m tv watching coverage of the Hamas terrorist organizations/Iran’s attacks on Israel this morning, and several times it has been mentioned that this is a failure of Israeli intelligence.

And it does look like Israel was taken by surprise.

What I’m wondering is was U.S. intelligence also taken by surprise by these attacks?

Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 7, 2023 9:19 am

Historically, Israel has been more clued in about the Middle East than the USA.
Satellites aside, if Israel didn’t know then the USA wouldn’t either.
Hard to spot these preparations from space.

Reply to  MCourtney
October 8, 2023 3:23 am

I think US intelligence has the capabilty of intercepting all electronic communications going on in the world. It’s my understanding that they archive all this information. Must be a big storage facility!

I agree that Israel probably has a better handle on their local situation, but I think the US has intelligence capabilites Israel does not have, so I was just wondering if maybe the US picked something up. Of course, we will never know the answer to this, I suspect.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 8, 2023 5:58 pm

I also heard today that Hamas has been using non-electronic communications for a lot of their conversations.

But the Mad Mullahs of Iran’s terrorists have been meeting with the Hamas terrorists in Gaza and Hezbollah terroists in Lebanon since August, so enough information got out that the Mad Mullahs of Iran are being tied to these attacks by Hamas.

The Middle East just may blow up. That may be what the Mad Mullahs want. They may get their wish but the results may not be what they were expecting.

The United States is sending an aircraft carrier battlegroup to the coast off Israel. That will help if things get out of hand, and just may deter other parties that were thinking about getting involved on the terrorist side, like Syria and Yeman.

I don’t think the attack on Ukraine or this attack by Hamas would have happened were Donald Trump the president.

With a weak, possibly compromised president like Biden, all the bad guys smell blood and start pushing their envelopes. That’s what is taking place now. There is noone in the current U.S. govenment who strikes fear in the bad guys’ hearts.

Trump stikes fear in dictators’ hearts. If Trump came into office tomorrow, the Mad Mullahs would be running for cover.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 7, 2023 10:41 am

Thankfully the demented puppet’s maladministration made billions of dollars available to the Iranian madmen in their most recent appeasement. Pays for a lot of rockets.

Reply to  Rich Davis
October 8, 2023 3:28 am

Yes, Biden must be insane. Or he’s following Barack Obama’s orders. Barack loves the Mad Mullahs of Iran.

The Middle East is in for some changes because of these attacks by the terrorists. Israel is going to eliminate this threat. That may include eliminating the Mad Mullahs of Iran. So it’s serious business now.

And we have the weakest, dumbest president in history in charge of our country. Possibly a contributing factor to these attacks on Israel.

Do you think the Mad Mullahs would have pulled this stunt if Trump were in office? I don’t think so.

But when a weak president gets in office, it gives incentive to all the bad guys in the world to push their envelopes. That’s where we are at now.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 8, 2023 9:49 am

It’s probably now or never for Israel to take out the Iranian bomb-makers. I would guess that they already have several bombs partially if not completely assembled. Possibly the biggest consequence of the Biden Disaster.

Reply to  Rich Davis
October 8, 2023 6:08 pm

Yes, If I were Israel, I would take this opportunity to completely destroy Irans nuclear weapons making facilities, and all their other weapons making facilities, too, since they are supplying Russia with a large amount of military equipment to use in Ukraine, along with supplying all the rockets and weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using.

Destroying Iran’s military capabilities would go a long ways towards ending two conflicts.

The Mad Mullahs and their attack on Israel has killed American citizens and others have been taken hostage, and the U.S. just might get involved in working over Iran’s miliatry capabilities, too.

The first American missile should land right where the Mad Mullahs are residing. The have a lot of American blood on their hands, and we need to settle this score.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 8, 2023 4:09 pm

How by the way can it possibly be true that thousands of attackers could breach the Gaza border wall all along the border in concert with thousands of rockets being prepared for launch and for tunnels to have been in place undetected?

Everything was planned and executed without any intelligence assets detecting anything? No signals intelligence and no human intelligence? This in a country that has had to contend with rocket attacks many times in the past? A country generally recognized as having some of the best intelligence services on earth?

Something seriously doesn’t add up.

Now we hear that Israel has ‘proof’ of Iranian involvement. One day after they supposedly knew nothing.

Yes, it’s a crazy conspiracy theory but for a dozen years the US and Europe have held Israel back from attacking Iran. They don’t need anyone to support them militarily in taking out the Iranian program, they just need nobody to stop them and to continue to have financial and diplomatic support from the US after the attack. With the Dementia patient coddling the Mad Mullahs, what could Israel do to survive?

I hate to think that someone calculated that letting a few innocents die in what they miscalculated would be a much less effective raid would be better than an Iranian airburst over Tel Aviv.

However we got here, it’s now conceivable that the West will tolerate whatever it takes to neutralize Iran and wipe out Hamas.

Russia and China both do business with Iran primarily because Iran is a thorn in the side of the US. But also because they each have their own Muslim problems that they don’t want Iran to exacerbate. Russia has the Chechens and China has the Uighurs. North Korea also engages to support chaos and potentially to trade nuclear know-how for oil. I can’t see any of those countries coming to Iran’s aid beyond making loud noises at the UN. Russia and China would probably secretly like to see Iran taken out of the strategic threat game. So I think it’s likely to happen.

The coming weeks look to be dangerous indeed.

Reply to  Rich Davis
October 8, 2023 6:20 pm

“How by the way can it possibly be true that thousands of attackers could breach the Gaza border wall all along the border”

Yeah, I thought everyone in those communities close to Gaza of military age, had military training, and everyone living there carries a gun, including civilians.

So it’s a real mystery as to how Hamas managed to do as much damage as they did. No doubt, this was well-planned by people who knew the area and layout intimately, and obviously, the Israelis were not expecting such an attack. People can get too comfortable sometimes. They won’t do that again.

It was reported that Hamas was avoiding using electronic communications, so that may be one reason intelligence services were caught unawares.

There was a music festival going on in southern Israel, a “Peace” festival. The terrorists attacked the crowd of people there and killed about 275 people at last count and took others hostage. No doubt, this was a planned mass murder. One problem for Hamas is that this music festival apparently had people from all over the world attending it and many of these were murdered, so Hamas has infuriated a lot of countries around the world.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 9, 2023 3:20 am

Obviously I don’t know the answer, but negligence and incompetence alone seem very inadequate to explain this failure.

If we don’t see something dramatic in the next few days, I’ll be surprised.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 9, 2023 3:55 am

Remember that on September 12th the Russians and Chinese supported the US. Even some of the French supported the US. 😉

On October 8th, AOC and Ilhan Omar took a short break from condemning Israel. They just think both sides should stop shooting, kind of like calling for a ceasefire after the firing squad finishes.

So again, regardless of how we got here, tolerance of an Israeli raid on Iran is as high as it’s likely to ever be, short of the Iranian nuclear attack coming if the Israelis don’t act now.

October 7, 2023 7:42 am

An area of St. Paul, Minnesota, temperature this morning 42F, known as St. Anthony Park, is also the site of College Park, an enclave of University of Minnesota professors near the the school’s St. Paul campus. When the hydro-fracking technique began in the Williston Basin, Burlington Northern freight trains passing through loaded with southeastern Wisconsin sand raised the ire of some locals with the danger presented by gondola cars full of sand creeping by their stately homes. Eventually they moved on to other complaints but they’ve now put their focus on returning Interstate 94 to its pre-Columbian state or perhaps post-WWII condition.

In a striking example of democracy as delusion, the Minnesota Dept. of Transportation is taking comments on possible solutions to the problem of safe, convenient travel between the two cities that creates a significant impact on the floods in Bangladesh. The local “Park Bugle” vanity press is editorially on board with the most drastic approaches to time travel and advocates certain comments to a Dept. of Transportation on-line survey of opinions on the matter. While I-94 doesn’t run through St. Anthony Park, its proximity is close enough to produce insomnia in academic bedrooms. Other small, local NGOs are also involved in the ideological battle but not its financial dimension. Gopher Staters in general are more concerned with pickle-ball courts, a failing NFL team and possible Halloween costumes.

Kevin Kilty
Reply to  general custer
October 7, 2023 8:34 am

I think you have it in a nutshell….

Quondam
October 7, 2023 8:14 am

The presumption of “convective equilibrium” aka the “adiabatic lapse rate” is an essential component of all climate models. Who should be credited with this concept? One might expect Google Scholar to be an obvious starting point. A search for the years 1860-70 comes up with three citations to a paper by Wm. Thomson (Kelvin), “On the convective equilibrium of temperature in the atmosphere.” 

A search for the paper itself yielded:
Your search – “On the convective equilibrium of temperature in the atmosphere” – did not match any articles published between 1860 and 1870. 

However, a bit of alternative perseverance elicited:
On the Convective Equilibrium of Temperature in the Atmosphere” by Professor Wm. Thomson, LL.D., P.K.S., &c, Manchester Phil. Soc. Proc. Vol. ii. 1860-1862, pp. 170-176 [Jan. 21, 1862];
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/39422#page/178

In the paper lies the phrase,
 “When all the parts of a fluid are freely interchanged and not subject to the influence of radiation and conduction, the temperature of the fluid is said by the Author to be in a state of convective equilibrium.”

Should we search Google for this quotation, we find an image of the original paper in Google Books 
The Chemical News and Journal of Physical Science, Volume 3; Volumes 5-6”.

This paper is of more than historical import for it triggered rebuttals by Maxwell who showed Kelvin’s Convective Equilibrium Model offered the possibility of building a perpetual motion machine if true (which many then unsuccessfully attempted) and Boltzmann who showed the presence of a gravitational field does not alter the velocity distribution of an equilibrium system from its isothermal form.

My issue, how reliable is Google for researching areas considered misinformation by peers of the establishment? Restricting access to the work of Kelvin, Maxwell and Boltzmann seems a bit overboard.

Reply to  Quondam
October 7, 2023 2:11 pm

The ability of the atmosphere to not be in convective equilibrium is the most important physical feature of Earth’s atmosphere.

I have been looking at potential Archean atmospheres and determined the minimum atmospheric pressure for convective instability in a nitrogen dominated atmosphere is 480mbar. Any pressure below that results in a permanent snowball. So Som’s estimate of less than 500mbar from raindrop imprints in lava is a possibility because the Archean eon was dominated by periods of glaciation.

Reply to  Quondam
October 8, 2023 4:13 am

How reliable is Google? Totally unreliabe. I wouldn’t touch it myself.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 8, 2023 11:51 am

Probably because it has cooties.

Reply to  Jim Masterson
October 9, 2023 2:32 am

Never heard of that so had to look it up.

You could be right.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 9, 2023 8:06 am

Either you’re not as old as your moniker implies, or you’ve forgotten what it was like to be a young lad in school.

Reply to  Jim Masterson
October 10, 2023 1:46 am

25 with 58 years experience of being 25.
But cooties is not a word or concept known in Scotland.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 10, 2023 2:40 pm

In the US, as young lads in school girls had cooties, and that’s why we avoided them. Of course, that all changes as you get older.

Luke B
Reply to  Quondam
October 9, 2023 12:35 pm

Unless I did the math wrong, Maxwell’s suggested heat engine for the scenario extracts no energy whatsoever. I personally believe that he didn’t actually test it out.

Ireneusz Palmowski
October 7, 2023 9:09 am

The polar vortex forecast for October is unfavorable for North America.
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The impact of the geomagnetic field in the north is already apparent.
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Coeur de Lion
October 7, 2023 10:53 am

The 1.5degsC terror point arose because the Paris 2.0degs wasn’t challenging enough. The IPCC producrd SR1.5 in time for the COP at Katowice. I have read much of it. Drivel with climate solutions demanding coercive transnational ‘pathways’ that will never happen. Give up coal in eight years from now? I’m not a scientist but there are plenty who have torn this false opportunistic non scientific document (heavy overwritten tome) to pieces.

October 7, 2023 1:24 pm

As many of you know, I have been claiming for many years that SO2 aerosols are the Control Knob for Earth’s Climate, and that CO2 has NO climatic effect. This being an open thread, I am taking the opportunity to present proof that this is indeed correct.

I have had an article recently published, titled “SO2 aerosol removal: The cause of global warming”

The abstract reads: “Archived satellite images of SO2 aerosols show that their decrease since 1980, due to global “Clean Air” efforts and Net Zero activities, is the cause of all of our modern warming.

To avoid even more warming, and their associated environmental disasters, these activities need to be abandoned”.

https://doi.org/10.30574/wjarr.2023.19.3.1996

For those of you who believe that “warmer is better”, you need to read the Wikipedia article “2014-2016 El Nino event”, which is a compilation of world-wide weather disasters during those years.

And it appears that the temperatures of the 2023 El Nino will exceed those of the 2014-16 El Nino!.

Reply to  BurlHenry
October 8, 2023 3:39 am

There was no Clean Air Act or Net Zero efforts in the 1930’s, yet the temperatures were just as warm then as they are now.

Something else besides SO2 is controlling the temperatures.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 8, 2023 7:09 am

Tom Abbott:

The temperatures of the 1930’s were as high as today because of the factory shut-downs of the depression years, which lowered industrial SO2 aerosol emissions by 13 million tons, etc. Temperatures were as hot then for the same reasons as for now..

Reply to  BurlHenry
October 8, 2023 12:11 pm

5 down votes!

So sad for the dim bulbs who can’t learn!

October 7, 2023 1:28 pm

IRENA, a European Renewables Proponent, Ignores the Actual Cost Data for Offshore Wind Systems in the UKhttps://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/irena-a-european-renewables-proponent-ignores-the-actual-cost

Recently, no bidders turned up for a new floating offshore wind project off the coast of Scotland.
The Pro-Wind bureaucrats and Media in the poor state of Maine should pay attention
 
The bids were made under ‘contracts for Difference’ (CfDs) that guarantee future minimum prices to wind turbine producers.
 
If wholesale electricity prices are less than the agreed price, the Treasury pays the difference to the producer.
If wholesale electricity prices are greater than the agreed price, the Treasury receives the difference from the producer
 
The agreed price was around £60/€69 per megawatt hour (MWh) 
Apparently, it is much too low for investors, who want at least 50% more.
 
Item 1
Decreasing Offshore Wind Capital Costs/Installed MW is a Myth
 
The claim  by wind proponents of 1) decreasing prices of wind electricity and 2) wind electricity being competitive with other sources is a myth, as GWPF indicates in the graph below .
 
The graph is based on the levelized cost of energy, LCOE
 
LCOE is a measure of the average cost of electricity generation over the project lifetime.
 
The graph shows, real world LCOE is about 2x the UK CfD offer of £60/£69/MWh.
 
The green belt shows what proponents think wind LCOE should be.
Those proponents are proving, they are disconnected from the real world  
Analyses of recent projects shows real-world LCOEs are about 2x proponent claims. 

October 7, 2023 5:09 pm

Newsom signs first-in-the-nation corporate climate disclosure bills
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/07/newsom-california-climate-disclosure-00120474

“The laws will require large corporations operating in the state to disclose both their carbon footprints and their climate-related financial risks.”

Richard Page
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 7, 2023 6:53 pm

352 large companies left California between 2018-21, so far this year over 63 have left; most appear to have relocated to Texas although other states have benefitted from this exodus. This move is likely to send the last holdouts into a rush to be somewhere else. California is going to be home to Hollywood, the ‘celebrities’ that infest the place and very little else.

Ireneusz Palmowski
October 8, 2023 12:33 am

Since mid-September, there has been a marked increase in sea ice in the Northern Hemisphere.
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Ireneusz Palmowski
October 8, 2023 1:27 am

From October 8 winter begins in Scandinavia and Russia.

Ireneusz Palmowski
October 8, 2023 1:48 am

Still blocking circulation over the Bering Sea. The Chukchi Sea will quickly freeze over.
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Richard Page
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
October 8, 2023 2:51 pm

NOAA estimate the freeze starting in earnest between mid-late November and early December. Earlier than that and we’re starting to see a return to the freeze-up dates of the pre-2000’s. If it is an earlier than predicted freeze-up than that might herald a colder than normal winter in the NH?

October 9, 2023 7:49 am

Where’s Obama?

I haven’t heard him come out and condemn the Hamas/Iranian murderers in Israel yet.

Obama once said the Muslim “call to prayer” was the most beautiful sound on Earth.

Obama facilitates the Mad Mullahs of Iran in getting nuclear weapons. His flunky, Joe Biden, continues with this practice. Biden’s Secretary of State says he sees no evidence of Iranian involvement in the Hamas massacres!

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