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E. Schaffer
January 13, 2023 2:14 am

Wijngaarden on CO2 forcing under consideration of overlaps with clouds:

“I think the consensus view.. is that a forcing for clear sky of CO2, which is about 3W/m2. When you take clouds into account that’s going to reduce it by about 30% to about 2W/m2″

Makes me wonder who is the “consensus” he is quoting? For my part I published this in 2021..

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“story tip”

Reply to  E. Schaffer
January 13, 2023 2:28 am

‘experiments undertaken at the new 500m high atmospheric tower in central australia show that the results for levels of co2 are in accordance with the graph in appendix 1. the effect of these numbers with rising percentages of cloud and water vapour are represented in appendix 2.
These numbers were recently replicated in the three mile horizontal chamber in the arizona desert.
from these measurable and repeated experiments, the paper produced a new authoritative method for estimating ecs under various conditions which are now being experimentally tested in both these facilities.’

E. Schaffer
Reply to  peteturbo
January 13, 2023 5:29 am

Context? Link?

Reply to  peteturbo
January 13, 2023 5:51 am

Source please. Can’t find record of a 500m tower in central Australia for example.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MJB
January 13, 2023 3:32 pm

It would be the 11th tallest structure in the World.
Gotta be total BS.

January 13, 2023 2:27 am

I wish the talking heads would stop referring to the Penn Biden Center as the “Biden Think Tank”. It’s so oxymoronic I lose track of what else they’re reporting.


Mike McMillan
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
January 13, 2023 2:31 am

Bob, it’s gotta be somewhere. It certainly isn’t in the White House.

Reply to  Mike McMillan
January 13, 2023 5:37 am

It its a giant tax write off to have a private “think tank” in your garage, or anywhere, to store secret government documents

George Daddis
Reply to  wilpost
January 13, 2023 7:12 am

On top of the write off, he received a $900,000 salary probably with the stipulation he would not do anything including teach a class.

The official title should be changed to the Penn Biden Laundry.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Mike McMillan
January 13, 2023 6:51 am

Please do not insult our glorious leader President Jumpin’ Joe Bidet, who used to drive a truck, and beat up Corn Pop, after distracting Mr. Pop, who had a chain, by showing him the hair on his white legs. Jumpin’ Joe Bidet is undergoing a transition, from a human being into a vegetable.

Reply to  Richard Greene
January 13, 2023 9:49 pm

He may (or may not) be a vegetable but he beat the other guy in the race, so what does that make the guy who lost to him?

Richard Greene
Reply to  Simon
January 14, 2023 9:11 am

Trump was the victim of massive election fraud in at least four states.

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Reply to  Richard Greene
January 14, 2023 11:56 am

Garbage. No proof anywhere of election fraud except by the usual number of idiots who try it on. And I read that most of those were Trump voters (not that it matters because the numbers were so low). There was only one state that showed any evidence of fraud and that was Trumps state of mind.

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
January 13, 2023 2:33 am

Didn’t the Corvette do all the thinking?

Richard Greene
Reply to  strativarius
January 13, 2023 6:54 am

Mrs. Biden removed the Corvette battery so Jumpin’ Joe could not start it and have an accident. So on weekends Jum;pin; Joe sits in his Corvette, in the garage, and goes “vroom vroom vroom” by pursing his lips. The radio won’t work, so what else could Mr. Bidet do in his garage?

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Gunga Din
Reply to  strativarius
January 13, 2023 12:37 pm

But the battery was dead.
(It was beyond K.I.T.T.’s help.)

Gunga Din
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
January 13, 2023 6:02 am

I think its real name is “Biden’s Thinker Tanked”.
The media just cleaned it up.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
January 13, 2023 6:47 am

Biden belongs in a state pen

Reply to  Richard Greene
January 13, 2023 11:51 am

Along with another Mann.

Reply to  Richard Greene
January 13, 2023 9:50 pm

He will have to fight with Trump for who gets top bunk in the cell.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
January 13, 2023 12:42 pm

I’m at a loss to tie it in directly, but, “What would you for a Klondike Bar?” comes to mind.

January 13, 2023 2:37 am

Following on from the research that found science is slowing down. Determined by the number of citication sof new papers compared to the papers the new ones cite.

It seems that what has been foudn is… We are refining old insights not developing new ones.

It may be the peer review system and culture of ‘publish or ;erish’ is pushing research into incremental gains. But it might also be that new branches of science are not being opened up.

Shannon’s work on information theory came about from a new challenge. New technology. That has always been the case.
Science follows challenges from the real world. The Laws of Thermodynamics were not discovered before the steam engine was.

So long as primary and secondary industry was centred in the open West, science challenges were shared, and papers published. When manufacturing moved to China the challenges moved with it.

Cutting edge science – new fields – are now being found in Asia (if anywhere), not the West. And they are not so open with their advances.

I suspect that the most original work is still progressing at the same rate. But it’s hidden in state-funded and state-controlled baskets.
Meanwhile, we in the West are just refining the insights of 60 years ago.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MCourtney
January 13, 2023 3:48 pm

My personal opinion is that Materials Science is continuing to make advances because there is immediate feedback — it either meets the design spec’s or it doesn’t. Meanwhile, speculations on things such as String Theory, and global warming either can’t be tested, or have such a long horizon that everyone subscribing to the idea will be dead before it can be shown to be wrong.

January 13, 2023 2:49 am

I heard an interesting interview with Ralph Schoellhammer on spiked-online, for me he really nailed the mindset of the greens and their ideology.

He also has an article up there….

If Germany’s green zealots thought that sacrificing industry would be good for the planet, they were wrong. Coal, one of the most polluting energy sources of all, provided a vital lifeline in 2022, with Germany’s coal power output increasing by 20 per cent on the previous year.

it seems there are no limits to German madness. Despite Germany’s reliance on coal this year, economy minister Robert Habeck has recently announced that Germany will now give up coal entirely by 2030 – eight years earlier than originally planned.

Malthus is 247 and more fashionable than ever.

Reply to  strativarius
January 13, 2023 5:05 am

Germany picked the wrong decade to give up coal.

Reply to  strativarius
January 13, 2023 6:34 am

Another relevant discussion is between Dr Jordan Peterson and Dr Richard Lindzen, two notable observers/thinkers who discuss trends in education and other interesting material. Long, but worth every word to the end. Was on YouTube. Geoff S

Reply to  sherro01
January 13, 2023 7:29 am

I have seen it. I have also seen that Peterson’s professional body wants him to submit to re-education or lose his licence to practice.

Paul Stevens
Reply to  sherro01
January 13, 2023 8:42 am

Agree 100%. Always liked Lindzen. Now my respect for him knows no bounds.

David Dibbell
Reply to  sherro01
January 14, 2023 7:33 am

Agreed. I watched that all the way through a few days ago. It was very good. Much respect for Lindzen’s views on the climate issue from way back.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  strativarius
January 13, 2023 9:28 am

In November 2021 Germany pledged billions of euros to wean South Africa off coal. By mid 2022 Germany was spending billions of euros buying South African coal.

So who knows what Germany will actually be doing in 2030 ?

January 13, 2023 3:49 am
January 13, 2023 4:03 am

Remember doing field trips etc at University? I certainly do but now the University of Southern California has banned the word ‘field’

“The University of Southern California has banned the term “field” as chiefs say the phrase may have racist undertones.

It will be removed from the curriculum after the university declared that the term “field work” has negative connotations for descendants of slavery.

Academic references such as “field of study” will be replaced by the word “practicum”.

You can of course use terms like the Venetian “Campo” because the snowflakes are that dumb

Reply to  strativarius
January 13, 2023 4:55 am

This is one of many cases where one should ask to see the receipts/calculations/bodies. I strongly disbelieve there is anyone anywhere who is bothered by the word “field”.

I am sure there is a noticeable number of people who know a lever when they are offered one though.

Reply to  quelgeek
January 13, 2023 5:15 am

I strongly disbelieve there is anyone anywhere who is bothered by the word “field”

It’s what I would call a [contrived] yocto-aggression – cuts like a neutrino

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Reply to  quelgeek
January 13, 2023 6:49 am

I strongly disbelieve there is anyone anywhere who is bothered by the word “field”.”

It’s not about offending people. It’s about control of the language. Control the words, then you control the language. Control the language and then you control the message.

Everything for the message, nothing outside the message, nothing against the message.

Reply to  quelgeek
January 13, 2023 12:11 pm

“I strongly disbelieve there is anyone anywhere who is bothered by the word “field”.”

There are lot of people that react, or may be offended. You are not one of them; I am not one of them.

There are racists that automatically, in the back of their mind, connect field ‘worker’ or house ‘worker’ to the negative pejorative. We don’t do that; THEY do that.

THEY are the ones that want to ban certain words because it reminds them that they are racist (even though they don’t want to be).

Reply to  DonM
January 13, 2023 2:07 pm

“There are lot of people that react, or may be offended.”

Nope. Show me the bodies.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  DonM
January 13, 2023 3:51 pm

It sounds like a personal problem.

Reply to  strativarius
January 13, 2023 5:40 am

It has to do with there being House Ns and Field Ns

Reply to  wilpost
January 13, 2023 5:46 am

Aren’t you forgetting Chinese house boys?

It’s any excuse to be offended now.

Elliot W
Reply to  wilpost
January 13, 2023 11:00 am

So you’re suggesting “house” will be a banned word next?

George Daddis
Reply to  strativarius
January 13, 2023 7:17 am

Some of my grandparents were from Ireland. The course study labeled “English” sets off very uncomfortable associations for me.

It’s not enough that they dropped famous English authors from the study of English Literature!

Reply to  strativarius
January 13, 2023 7:38 am

As a probable descendant of Roman slaves I find the word practicum deeply offensive as it means Fieldwork in the language of the thuggish Latin oppressors

Ron Long
January 13, 2023 4:20 am

Mining Exploration Geologists can find all of the naturally-occurring elements that a modern, high-technology, society wants and needs. Here’s the catch: conflict with existing habitation, political risks, wild swings in commodity prices, and scams (Bre-X, for example) cause mining exploration strategy to carefully analyze Fatal Flaws, Critical Paths, and a variety of Risk Elements associated with WOKE nonsense. This does not mean that mining companies avoid certain projects with bad characteristics, they might advance them if there is a viable profit potential. Never forget, mining is a business, not a social program. Want cobalt? Want LREE’s? Heavy REE’s? Gold? Unobtaniuim? I’m here for you. Show me the money.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Ron Long
January 13, 2023 3:54 pm

Unobtanium? If you think you have found some, then it isn’t unobtanium, by definition. 🙂

January 13, 2023 4:40 am
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Richard Greene
Reply to  vuk
January 13, 2023 6:57 am

Exxon tried to predict the climate.
IPCC tries to scare people about the future climate.
Tere’s a big difference.

January 13, 2023 5:33 am

Net Zero Will Lead to the End of Modern Civilization, Says Top Scientist 

A damning indictment of the Net Zero political project has been made by one of the world’s leading nuclear physicists.

In a recently published science paper, Dr. Wallace Manheimer said, it would be the end of modern civilization.

Writing about wind and solar power he argued, it would be especially tragic “when not only will this new infrastructure fail, but will cost $trillions, trash large portions of the world’s environment, and then turned out to be entirely unnecessary”. 

The stakes, he added, “are enormous”.

NOTE: Click on “science paper” to get the PDF

Richard Greene
Reply to  wilpost
January 13, 2023 6:57 am

Net Zero will kill your dog !

Gunga Din
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 13, 2023 12:54 pm

Thanks, Richard.
My dog died about 10 years ago.
Now I know why! Fossil Fuel!
All this time I thought it was because he was a bit over 16 years old.
(Maybe I’ll join Extinction Rebellion?)

January 13, 2023 5:41 am

A little light reading I’ve found lately.

Wonder what this probe will find regarding PJM power outages in New England:

Hooray, we’re all saved from mirco plastics:

Thought I had more but oh well.

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Reply to  rhs
January 13, 2023 5:53 am

Doh, I knew I forgot one, the death of wind power, we can only hope:

Reply to  rhs
January 13, 2023 5:04 pm
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John Aqua
January 13, 2023 6:01 am

“Why are the media ignoring the link between climate change and the flooding in California?

Maybe there is a sliver of hope that every weather event is not linked to climate change?

Reply to  John Aqua
January 13, 2023 9:32 am

Perhaps there’s a linkage between climate change, mental issues, and then catastrophes, as in this case:

January 13, 2023 6:26 am

Without any theoretical proof, the magnitude of the greenhouse effect is simply attributed to the static absorption and emission of radiation in the form of IR from the surface.

In reality, convection imposes a strict constraint on LW radiative equilibrium. A sustained imbalance is impossible. The fluid is always in flux.

Surface energy balance factors have an uncertainty 20 W m-2. Clear sky TOA outgoing flux is underestimated by 5 W m-2. The models are NOT working. A LW radiative perturbation simply does not exist.

January 13, 2023 6:43 am

Using the WUWT search function I haven’t found any mention of this embarrassing event:

Richard Greene
January 13, 2023 6:44 am

It is a well known fact that Covid vaccines will cure every disease, from cancer to warts, except Covid. The vaccine is perfectly safe — all the post-vaccination deaths are coincidences. Hospitalizations are coincidences too. People die all the time, why should 2021, 2022 and 2023 be different?

I wanted to get four Covid shots and four boosters, but I’m afraid of needles. So I didn’t get any shots. Instead, I wear three masks and a bicycle helmet at all times, and I carry a sword, all to prevent Covid. And it has worked.

All of these facts must be true because scientists said them first, and whatever scientists say is the gospel. Be careful folks, or Covid will kill your dog. This comment is serious, not malarkey written after nine beers.
Beau Vine***
Michigan USA

*** In 1997, I predicted the climate would get warmer, unless it got colder, so you can be assured that I am a man of science, when not working at my day job as a trashman. Don’t laugh folks, there is ALWAYS going to be garbage, even during recessions, and that is my job security.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 13, 2023 4:02 pm

Ivermectin and Placquenil will cure everything too. Throw out your aspirin and stock up on parasiticides.

Capt Jeff
January 13, 2023 8:23 am

“The characteristic feature of science is warranted uncertainty, which leads to intellectual humility. The characteristic feature of scientism is an unwarranted certainty, which leads to intellectual hubris.”

Quote from Aaron Kheriaty, a physician and fellow at Ethics and Public Policy Center and chief of ethics at The Unity Project. This quote was in an Epoch Times article regarding government handling of the COVID pandemic but rings true with climate science.

Vlad the Impaler
January 13, 2023 8:33 am

On the main Yahoo webpage, there is an article titled, “What we know about COVID vaccines and ‘extremely rare’ heart problems”.

The whole article is a whitewash of the increasingly evident problems with the (non)vaccines. What is interesting is NOT the article, but the comments. I’ve not logged in to make a comment, but I’m reading what others are saying, and by-and-large, the community which is reading and commenting, are NOT buying the horse-hockey in the article.

As some WUWT’ers know, Jo’s has been talking (non)vaccine side-effects for the better part of a year.

Chickens coming home to roost, anyone?


Reply to  Vlad the Impaler
January 13, 2023 9:40 am

Edward Dowd’s analysis of the group insurance industry is chilling. The typical policy holder is between 20 and 50, employed with the policy as a benefit. The industry is reporting >20% elevated mortality since the vaccine rollout.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Vlad the Impaler
January 13, 2023 9:46 am

According to Our World in Data 13.9 billion people have received at least one covid vaccination. With a sample that large you can make any spurious correlation you like but it wouldn’t necessarily be true.

Reply to  Dave Andrews
January 13, 2023 12:56 pm

Wow, 13.9 billion out of 8 billion people have had at least one shot.

That must be wrong because my wife and haven’t had the shot.

So it must be 13, 899,999,998 out of 8,000,000,000!

Just sayin.

And as to spurious correlations: If the industry is reporting a 20% elevated mortality rate of INSURED people, you know, not homeless, welfare, typical druggies, etc. and often not the older, like me, who no longer have insurance since I am retired and have my nest egg, who almost certainly have GOOD health insurance, and are of a lower threat of dying from the China Virus than the general population, around 3.25%, then where did the 20% increase come from.

As of 1-11-2023, 800,000 of the 1,091,212 China virus deaths were of those 65 and older according to the US CDC. It is the CDC, so from Covid, with Covid who really knows. add another 155K for for 55 to 64. That leaves about 1 million for newborn to 54 years old, which I tried to find the total population of at the US census, but instead fount this for the total deaths in the US, for 2020, 852,024, for 2021, 3,438,423, and for 2022, 3,443,099, so with only 1.1 million China virus deaths, what caused the over 2 MILLION (3.4 mill – (.55 mill, + .85 = 1.4 million) = 2 Mill) extra deaths each year in 2021 and 2022?

Could not be the MRNA therapies, that would just be spurious to assume that.

BUT the proof that it is true is that there are NO STUDIES into this being funded by ANY federal agency and the CDC is funding gun violence studies instead. Politics only. Cover up ongoing. And the Republicans in the house are doing nothing to investigate any of this, so far. So a very wide spread conspiracy.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Drake
January 14, 2023 7:57 am

Typo on my part. 3.9 billion vaccinations

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Dave Andrews
January 14, 2023 7:54 am

Typo that should be 3.9 billion total vaccinations

David Dibbell
January 13, 2023 9:15 am

In September 2022, Willis Eschenbach posted about the CERES EBAF 4.1 data and provided links to download Excel spreadsheets with monthly NH, SH, and Global values for 3/2000 through 2/2021. He calculated surface temperatures from upwelling surface longwave emission.
His post is here. I downloaded the files and finally got around to looking at the data in Excel.

The reason for my comment here is to provoke some further thought about attribution. The consensus climate claim is that global average surface temperature is rising and that human emission of GHGs must be causing it.

I don’t buy this claim of cause and effect, finding it hard to believe that a slow rise on the order of 0.13C per decade (from UAH TLT data, for example) can be isolated for reliable attribution. Please consider this time series plot of the monthly surface temperatures (as WE calculated) for NH, SH, and Global. Ask “How much time does the planet spend at or near the average?” Practically none.

This practice in consensus climate science of using and communicating de-seasonalized anomalies obscures the wide cycles of warming and cooling, which are of self-evidently natural origin.

So what has caused the trend? No one can say “we know.” It is a tiny part of what is happening naturally.

Comments welcome.

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Mike Dombroski
January 13, 2023 11:50 am

Popular Climate Etc. guest poster, Planning Engineer (Russ Schussler), is now on Twitter:

Lee Riffee
January 13, 2023 12:15 pm

Now I realize there are probably far more scientists who comment here than lawyers. That being said, I can’t help but wonder if there has been any legal pushback against various state enacted bans of fossil fueled vehicles and equipment. The recent gas stove fiasco has indeed caused a huge negative response from everyone from industry organizations, manufacturers, individuals and politicians.

But what about states like Cubafornia and New York? Both have enacted future bans on gas powered cars, gas heating and cooking, and gas powered lawn equipment (in CA). I do recall reading about some apartment building owners suing in NYC over a law that would force them to rip out their gas heating in their buildings and replace it with electric.

Has anyone heard about any plans or suits against these policies in either state? It wouldn’t be hard to imagine some of the large rental car companies suing over such laws in effect that they would be bankrupted trying to replace their entire fleet with electric vehicles. Or any company that maintains a large fleet of vehicles for any reason…. Perhaps anyone who has purchased land on which to build a home (or homes) and will be impacted negatively by such bans….

Or even some random Tom, Dick, Harry or Jane who wants the freedom to drive. cook and heat however they wish….

I personally think that a lot of these bans will either be put off or shot down in some way. And not only because they are not physically feasible. It is hard to imagine that there won’t be a lot of pushback against these idiotic bans, even if people end up waiting until the last minute.

David Wojick
January 13, 2023 12:36 pm

The right whale calves are coming!

Nice pictures of mother-calf pairs.

Save the Whales from OSW.

Gunga Din
January 13, 2023 1:16 pm

I’m glad that “open thread” is back more often.
But I do miss when they drifted into non-CliSy topics more often.
i.e. The movie “Father Goose” with Cary Grant. I think Jimmy Stewart could have played role and it would have still been just as good. Different, but just as good. John Wayne? He could have played the role but it wouldn’t have been as good.(Nothing against Cary Grant, BTW)

Richard Greene
Reply to  Gunga Din
January 13, 2023 2:27 pm

I love that movie
I must have seen it one dozen times since 1964. Amazing that Cary Grant could do comedy so well. I was never a fan of Leslie Caron until that movie. That Cary Grant could be so good in both North by Northwest and Father Goose is amazing to me.

Jimmy Stewart could have starred in Father Goose. But I think he would not have wanted to be seen on screen unshaven and drunk half the time.

“Father Goose was one of Cary Grant‘s favorite projects. He always maintained his role in this film was most like his real personality. He claimed he kept in touch with most of the girls as they grew up and had families of their own.”

Cary Grant was offered the role of Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady (1964) but turned it down to star in this movie. He wanted his Charade (1963) co-star Audrey Hepburn to play Catherine, but she was already committed to My Fair Lady (1964).”

Cary Grant plays a scruffy, whiskey-swilling beachcomber in this movie. He is considered to be cast against type for this role, quite antithetical to his suave, sophisticated, debonair on-screen persona. Even so, it does hark back to the light comedy roles from early in his career..”

Father Goose (1964) – Trivia – IMDb

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Gunga Din
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 14, 2023 11:14 am

“Operation Petticoat” is another good Cary Grant WW2 comedy. Tony Curtis was the co-star.
It didn’t involve a “Yellow Submarine” but a pink submarine did make an appearance.

Ireneusz Palmowski
January 13, 2023 2:45 pm

Very heavy snowfall in the mountains of California today.
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January 13, 2023 4:37 pm

A group behind a study finding an increase in “climate change misinformation” on Elon Musk’s Twitter also funded Fusion GPS, the private investigative firm behind the debunked Steele dossier, as well as another group reportedly connected to an election disinformation campaign.
Advance Democracy, a non-profit helmed by ex-Democratic staffer Daniel Jones, shared a study exclusively with USA Today Tuesday claiming that instances of posts referencing terms including “climate fraud,” “climate hoax” and “climate scam” increased more than 300% in 2022. However, Advance Democracy has funded groups behind now-debunked claims involving the 2016 presidential election, as well as a group reportedly connected to a disinformation campaign in the 2017 Alabama special Senate election.

January 14, 2023 11:44 pm

Quotations for a skeptic’s googling.
Who said:

1. “the temperature of the fluid is said by the Author to be in a state of convective equilibrium”

2. “the temperature would be the same throughout, or, in other words, gravity produces no effect in making the bottom of the column hotter or colder than the top”

3. “Aus dieser Formel folgt, daß trotz der Wirksamkeit der äußeren Kräfte für die Richtung der Geschwindigkeit irgend eines der Moleküle jede Richtung im Raume gleich wahrscheinlich ist”

Q: What is the difference between Radiative Convective Equilibrium and the tooth fairy?
A. Faith in one can be outgrown.

January 16, 2023 1:12 am

Does this activity have any impact on our current weather?

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