According to the British House of Lords, a third of planned Net Zero emission cuts must come from changes to behaviour.
Use Covid lessons to curb climate change, Lords tell government
By Georgina Rannard
BBC News Climate and Science
Information campaigns like those used in the Covid-19 pandemic would help individuals act on climate change, a House of Lords report has said.
To meet climate goals, a third of cuts to UK emissions by 2035 must come from people changing their behaviour, it says.
It calls the government’s current approach “seriously inadequate”.
In response the government said it is fully committed to its legally binding net zero climate goals.
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“People will have different lifestyles and make different choices about what changes they need to make, but we’re quite clear that people need to be helped to take this forward,” Baroness Kate Parminter, chair of the House of Lords Environment and Climate Change Committee, which wrote the report, told BBC News.
The Covid-19 pandemic provided important lessons in how to communicate clearly, using science, to the public, she said.
“Covid was a crisis, the climate is a crisis. We can learn some very important messages around the communications and the scale of the problem,” she adds.
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Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63209451
Baroness Parminter, the politician quoted by the BBC, is a Liberal Democrat. In my experience, in the South East of England at least, the Liberal Democrats present as a green, left wing party, a middle class alternative to self identified working class socialist parties.
Given pretty much everyone except China nowadays treats Covid like the flu, I strongly suspect the lesson people are learning from the Covid panic is not the lesson Baroness Kate Parminter wants people to learn.
What was that saying again? “Fool me once…”
“BBC News Climate and Science”
No sh#t
Parminter is a Limp Dum life-peer cum former NGO apparatchik. She hates rural sports like hunting etc
The climate is doing what it always does – on a daily basis. We’re still in drought yet its been raining loads these last few weeks. Thanks to the rain the hose pipe ban is meaningless.
Parliament did more damage to the people during the pandemic than even Hermann Goering could dream of
In today’s society, how does one become a Baroness?
I she breeds a lot will we get more Baroni’s? Or does just one of the children get to be elevated to title?
Or is it even a not even a real thing anymore … is it simply a fancy title that is meaningless to anyone except the snoots.
You do industrial/political favours, you cough up money etc etc etc
“In February 1921, Lloyd George was, selling peerages for £50,000.
That gives a ballpark figure of £1.4m as the average cost of a peerage today. “ – The Grauniad.
I’d say it probably costs a bit more now. The great thing – as far as they’re concerned – is they’re still affordable to the elites.
Come on. Friends of the Earth activist and English Literature graduate Bryony Worthington co-wrote the UK Climate Change Act 2008, with Ed Miliband – then Her Majesty’s Secretary of for Energy and Climate Change.
For that, (and perhaps other undisclosed favours), she was made a Baroness.
You really think she had to raid the piggy bank to pay for it as well?
I would be flabbergasted. Easy to get this ‘honour” if you are sufficiently gormless, have absolutely no conscience and nod when required.
And the £200 (?) per day for showing up and nodding, and countless perks and ‘expenses’ must be a help for a young BA graduate.
Should one be crass enough to suggest the Camel Harris ‘legs up’ position might help?
well shes talking outta her….
IF the criteria were for those who had actual contributions to society by advancing the economic activity and security of the people, the House of Lords would serve some sort of purpose putting the brakes on some of the more absurd actions of politicians who stand election every few years. If on the other hand you appoint only party apparatchiks and NGO hangers-on (as seems to be the main appointments in my lifetime), you get a body of feces that infects the whole of society.
It’s a life peerage so nobody inherits the title.
Sadly any failed piece of shit politician can be ennobled which demeans the whole honours system. Also many are ennobled or given awards just for doing what the taxpayer pays them to do.
“Covid was made a crisis, the climate is made a crisis” Fixed it: both Man(n) made.
We learned that government should get out of personal health care choices and that lockdowns aren’t good . Oh and governments overreact to crisis to limit people’s freedom.
It seems like they are already adept at lying. Whats more to learn?
The clue is always seeing the lips move..
‘Oh and governments overreact to crisis to limit people’s freedom.’
It’s a feature not a bug. Unfortunately, it’s also worldwide.
The UK government has already stated that they will not impose restrictions on people’s behaviour over the energy crisis as “we are not a nanny state.” Which is an appropriate and proportionate response – Baroness Parminters approach is inappropriate and disproportionate, not to mention incredibly shortsighted.
The principle behavioral change I’d like to see is convincing the dogooders like the good Baroness here, to mind their own business which does not include running others’ lives.
Well, that’s a big part of the problem. She thinks it IS HER BUSINES to help run other’s lives.
I’d bet she doesn’t drive an EV, doesn’t have a heat pump, flies whenever and wherever she wants, and emits more than her per-capita share of UK emissions.
That dimwit is Exhibit No. 1 in demonstrating the result of the intentional destruction of the House of Lords.
How someone as unaccomplished and unqualified as that poster child for lame-brained mediocrity becomes a peer of the United Kingdom is beyond my ken.
The Lords are an anti-democratic anachronism.
It’s one step down from the European Commission – favours and debts repaid
‘That dimwit…’
I’ve adopted the term ‘Ivy League NItwit’ for folks like that on this side of the pond, and in the interest of diversity and inclusion have briefly scripted an ‘Oath’ so that membership is open to all of our betters:
The Official Oath of the Ivy League Nitwit
“I, [state your name], am an Ivy League Nitwit. While I may not actually hold a degree from any college or university, I claim intellectual affiliation with the greatest thinkers of our time from our most elite institutions of higher learning. This affiliation is based on certain irrevocable beliefs, as partially listed herein:
None of the above shall pertain to those Elites, who shall be determined from time-to-time by the State, as necessary for the Leadership and/or Support of the State.
All power to the State and Praise be to Gaia!”
The above Oath becomes effective upon declaration before two of more witnesses from a sufficiently Woke faculty lounge, NGO, news room, government agency, public protest and/or equivalent.
Again, I want to support inclusion here, so feel free to substitute ‘Oxbridge’ or any other short-hand name for similar elite institutions in your geographic area.
Tony B Liar was the architect of the destruction of the Upper House. He banished the hereditary peers but could not think of anything better than to make it the House of Cronies. The hereditaries took their job of scrutinising legislation seriously and were certainly more conservative in their outlook which was no bad thing as a lot of legislation was and still is complete bollocks. And that made it appear they were anti-Labour hence the destruction.
Yes we can learn a lot.
Science and scientists aren’t competent or trustworthy.
Politicians lied, bullied and manipulated.
Taking no action or very moderate targeted measures would have provided a no worse direct medical outcome, no collateral medical harm, and no consequential economic disaster.
” …… communicate clearly, using science. …… ”
So when will that start? I’m not holding my breath.
Covid & climate are two places where “following the science” leads to
great harm. Rob Roos, a Dutch MEP, asked a Pfizer exec if the vaccine
had ever been tested for preventing Covid transmission & she replied
that it hadn’t been- because of “the speed of science” (his video is
on Twitter). Absolutely shocking!
https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1579759795225198593
https://www.outkick.com/pfizer-admits-it-had-no-idea-if-mrna-vaccine-would-prevent-transmission/
The Blaze-
Pfizer executive admits COVID-19 vaccine was never tested to prevent transmission: ‘This is scandalous’
Old Man Winter, yesterday I watched the interview with the Pfizer exec, and when I heard the phrase “the speed of science” I had to rewind it to make sure I’d heard correctly…then had a good laugh at the absurdity. Thanks for the reminder.
Regards,
Bob Tisdale
I wonder if the members who are recommending this imposition are members of Claus Schwab’s WEF as it is in line with WEF’s policy of the Great Reset?
If you can’t trust the product of centuries of inbreeding, who can you trust?
She ain’t one of the in-breds. She was appointed.
She has no formal post-secondary education and based on her CV can reasonably be suspected of being innumerate. Nor does she have any relevant industry experience in energy or climate or anything much else. She has worked in marketing and PR and it appears she still does.
I refuse to believe she knows anything about anything except politicking and I refuse to be governed by people whose only demonstrated ambition in life is to govern/control.
Who appoints, er, elevates these clowns to office? Do they have a say in British governance or are they strictly ceremonial?
There are various committees that propose these people to various eminences (prime ministers and monarchs) who elevate them. Why (and how) they come to the attention of the relevant committees is less clear. Sometimes it it very evidently pay-back for time served, services rendered, or to retain old political chums in the system after they are no longer electable. Sometimes it is because of genuinely stellar achievement though those cases are as rare as they are obvious. Mostly though, one is just left to nurse unkind or cynical speculations. It is not healthy.
Edit to add: they do have a role in governance. They can send proposed legislation back to the commons for revision. They can be a nuisance to the government of the day, but if push comes to shove the commons can overrule them.Sometimes members of the cabinet are drawn from the lords; then they do have a very active role in governance.
Quite often they are elevated to the Lords to pad out the party politics in the Lords (which wasn’t ever designed to be party political.
‘It is in this light that we can achieve our commitments to net zero by 2050, as dark satanic mills are replaced by onshore and offshore windfarms.’
Says UK govt Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Jacob Rees Mogg, in the Guardian, of all places.
I’m maligned as a ‘green energy sceptic’. I’m not. Dear Guardian reader, here’s what I think | Jacob Rees-Mogg | The Guardian
Your trouble griff is you’re into partisan politics and the Parliamentary dictatorship.
Have you forgotten that Rees-Smugg opened two offices in Dublin prior to the Brexit vote – just to be sure?
I haven’t.
FYI, here’s how the Green “movement” started!
Just another failed religious movement destined for the dustbin of history: “the climate is a crisis”. What’s next, throwing virgins into the mouth of a fiery volcano to get good crop yields next year?
Due to the leftwing policies put in place there is also a shortage of virgins. Wonder if slaughtering the first born would do the trick instead?
Already been done … again, and again and again. Still more to come. Update on the news at 11:00.
You should look at the abortion industry Richard
I vote we sacrifice alarmists and keep doing it until the climate conforms to their demands or their demands cease.
A member of the ruling class doing the only thing they know how to do: rule. They just do not do it well. Hard times make hard men. Our ruling class, world- wide, is not going through a hard time.
“Covid was a crisis, the climate is a crisis. We can learn some very important messages around the communications”
Of course we can learn some very important messages. One of them would be to stop inventing crises.
1,400+ signers — “There is no climate emergency”
https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration/
A “crisis” means there are bodies in the fields, streets, or waterways…
…something less than crisis is a”hardship”…and there are not really climate “hardships” at present unless one includes extreme weather events, which by definition are weather, until you have that weather event for an average of 30 years at which point it becomes climate…
“Climate change”, etc. is absolute nonsense. Everyone with a lick of sense and logical thinking capabilities knows this to be true.
Which exposes the elite, such as the idiots in government, to more ridicule and possible retribution should they continue to push their crap. It won’t be pretty. And could come as soon as this winter when energy sources are woefully short of keeping folks warm.
“Baroness”? Really? No real brain amongst the entitled, just look at Charles for proof.
The lesson is to control information and cancel anyone who does not support the “consensus” narrative.
The lesson is to control information and cancel anyone who does not support the “consensus” narrative.
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Do a Google search on “Fascism definition” and this is the first one up:
Britannica Dictionary definition of FASCISM. 1. or Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator [that] controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.
Pretty easy to substitute “a dictator” with “one political party”
Parminter is a (so-called) Liberal Democrat – neither liberal nor democratic. The Limp Debs were an offshoot of New Labour and have always been left wing.
So I guess the government will start confiscating private jets and yachts any day now. The elites are frauds and we the people have not been heard from yet.
They have already done so – only Russian ones though.
Nonsense
Labour is the new kid on the block
The Whigs go way back
Not an offshoot of Labour at all. The Limp Dumps have been long established in some shape or form for more than 100 years.
However, they’re just as crap as Labour.
Correct. Actually the Limp Dims were an amalgam of the old Liberal Party
which were the old Whigs (look up Jeremy Thorpe and Cyril Smith for the kind of people) on one hand and the Social Democrats who were escapees from ‘Old Labour’ (and were little better).
They are pretty much like the Green Party but typically like to pretend to be ‘practical’.
Their present leader is ‘Potato’ Ed Davey, who when Her Majesty’s Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change (in the Tory – Limp Dim coalition) greatly boosted wind and solar, chose the most expensive and least likely to work design for the desperately needed Hinkley Point C reactor, to be built by a French Government and Chinese Communist Party group.
He also imposed a 0.5 Richter limit on seismic tremors induced by fracking. A blatantly ridiculous limit, 3,162 times weaker than the normal level of ‘concern’ for quarrying etc.
He then boasted of preventing fracking, whilst trousering £18,000 a year for about 4 days’ “work” for a solar energy company.
A less phlegmatic country would be displaying his stupid, venal head on a pikestaff.
Spoiler alert
Griff has been busy posting a link to Rees-Mogg in the Guardian – he’s a friend of solar…
I’m maligned as a ‘green energy sceptic’. I’m not. Dear Guardian reader, here’s what I think | Jacob Rees-Mogg | The Guardian
And here’s why…
“Yesterday, Guido reported on how Liz’s plan to ban solar projects on farmland might cause a bit of a headache for Jacob Rees-Mogg… given his mother is a part-owner of 150 lovely acres of Somerset which is set to house a gigantic solar farm. A nice little money-spinner, if Liz allows spades to hit the ground…
Now Jacob has published an open letter in – of all places – the Guardian, assuring us he’s “no green energy sceptic“, and throwing his weight behind more low-cost solar projects:
“We are exploring options to support low-cost finance to help householders with the upfront costs of solar installation, permitted development rights to support deployment of more small-scale solar in commercial settings and designing performance standards to further encourage renewables, including solar PV, in new homes and buildings.”
The Guardian claims Mogg described Liz’s plan to ban solar development of farmland as “unConservative“. It would also be pretty inconvenient for his mother… “
https://order-order.com/2022/10/13/rees-mogg-backs-solar-projects-after-guido-reveals-mums-side-hustle/
Way to go, griff.
Something is seriously wrong when politicians in office to serve the people want the people to change their behavior.
There are no royal titles where I live but there are names for some of our representatives that would not pass the sensor. No I did not misspell censor.
“We can learn some very important messages around the communications”
Funny how it always comes down to a problem of communication as to why the plebs are not falling in line and doing what the elites want them to. They always fail to see that the plebs are getting the communications loud and clear, and they’re not buying the lies they’re being fed.
“Need to be helped!” One might ask by whom given Britain has no leaders with any idea what they are doing.
Barry,
Sadly, you are right.
Even if La Liz gets defenestrated next week – why?
Who will take over?
Who will cut the watermelons off at the ground?
Who will cut the budget deficit, whilst getting our British work-shy into gainful employment in the private sector?
Who will cut the size of Government, and the Civil Serpents?
I could go on. I sometimes do!!
Auto
She has it backwards. The propaganda techniques which were successful for the climate crisis were scaled up for the COVID crisis. The brainwashed believing the incessant lies are slowly being marginalized. Getting people out of their echo chambers is not an easy task…
The Political Climate is the crisis and this net zero brain cell Baroness is one of many reasons for the need for change in Politics.
What did we learn from covid and climate crisis ?
That we have to get rid asap of all these dangerous psychopathic politicians and their henchmen.
clue = the “climate” is 100% natural always has been and always will be…..claiming the humans control the climate is INSANITY.
Strangely, The Solution to both Climate and Health is the same.
Do just one thing and both will be solved.
And, it actually is a behavioural change.
Some people may know what it is..
It will be a wonderful utopia when the government is your permanent mommy and daddy. They can give you your allowance or stop it and ground you for misbehaving. And if you don’t eat your insect protein dinner, you can sit in the corner until you do.
Everything and anything is a crisis today as long as it can keep the people afraid.
Covid is the flu and there is no climate crisis.
What politicians in reality are promising but it is dressed up differently:
Vote for us or get us appointed and we will make you poorer for your own good.
Why are hard working voters such suckers?
We learned what inflation from the 70s/early 80s looks like and why a lot of Latin American countries and dictatorships love it so much. We learned what increases in Sovreign debt looks like without discussion or concern. We learned how quickly air travel transmits viruses from “imported frozen seafood” in China and other dead-end investigations.
Some time ago, I wrote to my representative in Parliament and asked her if she though that man-made carbon dioxide causes warming or climate change. I received a reply yesterday.
Her reply: I can give you the assurance you seek that as an ex energy minister and an ex Secretary of State for energy, I have studied very closely the case for man made climate change and I am persuaded that human activity is indeed the major cause of many of the climate related problems we are facing today.
This is someone who has her finger on the political pulse and the direction of travel the UK takes and who is persuaded it is a ‘major cause’.
When I do reply I will certainly ask her for example/s of some of the major causes of human activity that cause warming and also example/s of climate change.
Ask her about the lack of a tropospheric hotspot or the logarithmic absorption abilities of CO2 and wait for the blank look.
“The Guardian Finally Publishes an Anti-Lockdown Op-Ed – Two and a Half Years Late”
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/10/13/the-guardian-finally-publishes-an-anti-lockdown-op-ed-two-and-a-half-years-late/
Climate is not in a crisis.
But policy choices by Western governments are causing an Energy crisis and a Food crisis – wherein the poor of those societies are deliberately being placed in jeopardy.
England and Germany will face the consequences of the Energy crisis this coming winter, meanwhile the Food crisis gathers momentum.
Like all Limp Dumps she tries to present herself as a member of the cuddly and safe middle ground. However, you can see from all the nasty rhetoric about forcing people to change their behaviour and lifestyles she’s just like all Greens – a dyed in the wool fascist.
Many years ago the Lords was seen as a check and balance to MPs policies, but these days they are viewed by most people as what they truly are: a bunch of out of touch and unelected old farts who wield far too much power.
Rant over.
I agree. But you are too generous. Out of touch old farts were bad enough. But at least the old Lords, ancient aristos, a good seasoning of generals, bishops etc. had usually some moral compass.
The present bunch of useless politicians who have been ‘kicked upstairs’, together with activists and toadies hand selected for their stupidity and malevolence are far worse.
And I can just imagine the geniuses King Charles III will want to add.
She studied theology and that makes her an expert on virology, epidemiology, and Earth dynamics. I’m impressed.
It might take as many as 5 PhDs to equal her brilliance.
Hey, others stop going to school or have experience as bartenders and be experts at those.
These people are why pitchforks and guillotines were invented.
Oh and those long stakes set into the ground with the pointed tips? Vlad Tepes may have been onto something there.
“Covid was a crisis, the climate is a crisis. We can learn some very important messages around the communications”
Well, the fact is that the climate has been carrying on just fine, while it is the UK government hitting all the “tipping points”. It’s worse than we thought!! Life in England may never be the same!!!
All these politicians are calling for US you and I to change our behavior but that does not apply to them.
Just take some examples from the crowd in our New Zealand Parliament.
James Shaw our climate change minister and leader of the Green party took a plane load of hangers on to Glasgow to COP26 .
When asked why not use zoom and restrict emissions flying there and back he said we have to be there .
I ask you what was accomplished at COP26 except to encourage other political activists to destroy their countries economies?
With inflation ramping up around the world and costs soaring the average person will have to cut back on discretionary spending .Perhaps this is the aim of these green and left wing governments.
The voting public has to wake up to these destructive policies that are being touted as saving the world from overheating can only end in misery . .
There is no climate crisis but if these politicians get their way there will certainly be a CRISIS in most countries through lack of reliable energy and food supplies.
“According to the British House of Lords, a third of planned Net Zero emission cuts must come from changes to behaviour.”.
According to rational people worldwide, two-thirds of planned Net Zero emission cuts must come from changes to behaviour by China. Good luck with that one.
She is a fool. Why on earth would anyone hold the response to COVID up as a model for future action. The government response to COVID was and still is a disgrace. COVID was not a crisis, the government response to COVID was more than a crisis it was a disaster. COVID made you sick the government response brought healthy nations to their knees. This woman has no business in any position of responsibility. I wouldn’t allow her to take my trash out unattended.
Eric,
Baroness Parminter is suffering from the Politician’s Fallacy, made famous in an episode of “Yes,Prime Minister”-
“We must do something,
This is something,
Therefore we must do this.”
Thus-
“Covid was a crisis,
Climate is a crisis,
Therefore we do for climate as we did for CoVid.”
I think logicians call it the fallacy of the undistributed middle!
No doubt the first ones to change their behavior to fight climate change will be members of the House of Lords. How many are driving electric cars, or utilizing public transit, or renouncing air travel? The irony is that these upper class members are among the last ones on the planet to adopt more basic lifestyles, so why should they expect the rest of us to do so? Mind you, no one listens to these types in the first place.
Behavioral Psychology is used by government (and globalist non-government) bodies to shape public opinion. This was widely used throughout the COVID panic and is also widely used for Climate Emergency messaging. Indeed, the very term Climate Emergency very likely came out of a Behavioral Insight Team (better known as a Nudge Unit). Of note, the head of the Nudge unit of the WHO (yep, they have their own) is Prof. Susan Michie, a former member of SAGE (Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) who also just happens to be a long time committed member of the British Communist Party.
If you ever wonder why all the news spouts the same lines, and labels people with skeptical views “deniers”, etc, or why you are bombarded with ads featuring catch 2-5 word slogans imploring you to partake in some behavior (e.g. “Staying apart keeps us together”, “Your Ticket to Freedom” (that was in regards to the jab), etc). These are just some of the tools that are used by Nudge units to manipulate populations into doing what THEY want. They literally spell this out in their book: Nudge, by Cas Sunstein, go and read it if you want (actually a good idea as you will be better informed as to what to look out for). These people believe that they know better what is good for you, and they have absolutely no qualms in using psychological manipulation, particularly guilt and shame, to get you to do it.
We can learn some very important messages around the communications and the scale of the problem,
We certainly can-
Minnesota medical students’ group oath has ‘every lefty buzzword’ (msn.com)
Where have we seen and heard that before?
The Liberal Democrat peer (Kate Parminter) is absolutely right.
“Covid was a crisis, the climate is a crisis. We can learn some very important messages around the communications and the scale of the problem,” she adds.
We sure can. We can learn the lesson that “important messages” when delivered by governments ought to be treated very warily and not automatically treated as if they are the gospel truth.
like the “nudge” agitprop LIES? for covid
gee that worked so well…
COVID-19 is now proven to have been a sc@m. We all know “climate” is also a sc@m.
We learned that believing the output of computer games – er sorry, “models” leads to a huge waste of time and money.