Sea Level: The Geological “Control Knob” for Atmospheric CO2?

Guest “putting 2 and 2 together” by David Middleton

This post is the nucleus of a hypothesis I’ve been trying to develop. It is a “work in progress” and not fully thought out or as organized as I would like it to be. However, I’ve gotten it to the point that I thought I needed to write something up and post it on WUWT to get some feedback.

Two, Number One

A couple of years ago, I authored a post on “ocean deepening,” discussing this article:

Oceans are at their deepest in 250 million years
And they have hardly been deeper in the last 400 million years than now.

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PUBLISHED Monday 08. june 2020 – 12:24
“It moves absurdly slowly,” says Krister Karlsen. He is a PhD candidate in Geophysics at the University of Oslo (UiO)’s Centre for Earth Evolution and Dynamics.

Karlsen is talking about how the Earth’s tectonic plates move – ever so slowly but surely, every single year. From a human perspective, this happens so slowly that it is almost imperceptible.

[…]

The world map 200 million years ago shows all the continents assembled in the supercontinent of Pangaea, a time when dinosaurs were well on their way to dominating the Earth’s landmasses.

Since then, the continents have been shifting farther and farther apart, and now they may be as far apart as they can be, says Karlsen. Give the Earth a few hundred million years more, and the continents will probably remerge into a new supercontinent. One proposed name for that possible future reunion is Pangaea Proxima, according to New Scientist.

The movements and age of tectonic plates have a great effect on the depth of the world’s oceans. Just over 100 million years ago, the oceans were around 250 metres shallower on average than they are today.

The older the seabed, the deeper it is, according to a new research article by Karlsen and several colleagues at the Centre for Earth’s Evolution and Dynamics.

[…]

Science Norway

Karlsen et al., 2020 is essentially a reconstruction of plate tectonics and the age of the oceanic crust over time.

According to their reconstruction (and others), 100 million years ago, during the middle of the Cretaceous Period, the oceans were about 250 meters shallower than they are today *and* sea level was about 250 meters higher than it is today.

Figure 1. The older the seafloor, the deeper it is and the lower sea level becomes. Karlsen et al., 2020 Figure 7.

Process that for a moment… The oceans were 250 meters shallower, but the water level was 250 meters higher than it is today. This was due to the geometry and distribution of the ocean basins.

During the Mid-Cretaceous, shallow seas covered many continental interiors…

“The extent of different 94 Ma ocean boundaries. (a) The maximum extent of the ocean crust in the ocean basins; (b) the extent of 94 Ma land, shelf, slope, and rise.” Goswami et al., 2018
Figure 2. “The extent of different 94 Ma ocean boundaries. (a) The maximum extent of the ocean crust in the ocean basins; (b) the extent of 94 Ma land, shelf, slope, and rise.” Goswami et al., 2018

While the ocean basins were, on average, considerably shallower than they are today.

Figure 3. Mid-Cretaceous bathymetry reconstruction. Goswami et al., 2018

Two, Number Two

There is an interesting pattern here, the highest sea levels have occurred when the ocean basins were at their shallowest. These were also times when atmospheric CO2 levels and average surface temperatures were generally elevated. The only time when conditions were similar to the Neogene-Quaternary Periods was during the Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) and Early Permian Periods.

Figure 4. Phanerozoic temperature (Scotese) and CO2 (Berner). Geocraft. Older is toward the left.

This graph didn’t sit well with the CO2-Driven Climate Paradigm crowd, so they decided to “fix” the temperatures by adjusting them to pH values calculated from CO2. We can see that this yields a much better correlation between CO2 and temperature.

Figure 5. Phanerozoic pH-corrected temperature (Royer & Berner 2004) and CO2 (Berner & Kothavala, 2001). Older it toward the left.

Oddly enough, the Royer/Berner temperature curve yields a decidedly non-catastrophic equilibrium climate sensitivity of about 1.3 °C per doubling of CO2:

Figure 6. Phanerozoic CO2 vs temperature. Unlabeled x-axis is in millions of years before present. Older is toward the right.

It’s worth noting that the Royer pH-corrected temperature data indicate unreasonably warm temperatures during Paleozoic glacial periods.

The analysis of Royer et al. (2004) assumes an unrealistically high pH correction. First, it neglects the ice-volume effect, which changes the relation between δ18O and ∆T. Second, this large pH correction implies high temperatures for seawater even during times of extensive glaciations.

Moreover, the analysis of Royer et al. (2004) consists of boot-strapping, by introducing a correction to ∆T that is an implicit function of RCO2. It is then not surprising that a correlation between ∆T and RCO2 is obtained. This would be the case irrespective of the RCO2 model utilized.

A proper analysis, which avoids this bootstrapping and considers a more realistic pH correction, shows that the global temperature sensitivity to CO2 is still relatively small.”

Nir J. Shaviv & Jan Veizer reply to Royer

Forming a hypothesis

Over the past few years, I’ve been trying to develop a hypothesis that links the depths and general geometries of Earth’s ocean basins to average global temperatures and atmospheric CO2. The generally accepted hypothesis holds that weathering rates of silicate rocks governed the atmospheric concentration of CO2 (Berner & Kothavala, 2001). This is the basis of the GEOCARB model of Phanerozoic CO2.

Way back in the Pleistocene (1976-1980), when I was a young geology student, the notion of CO2 as a driver of climate change was largely scoffed at…

Suggestion that changing carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere could be a major factor in climate change dates from 1861, when it was proposed by British physicist John Tyndall.

[…]

Unfortunately we cannot estimate accurately changes of past CO2 content of either atmosphere or oceans, nor is there any firm quantitative basis for estimating the the magnitude of drop in carbon dioxide content necessary to trigger glaciation.  Moreover the entire concept of an atmospheric greenhouse effect is controversial, for the rate of ocean-atmosphere equalization is uncertain.

Dott, Robert H. & Roger L. Batten. Evolution of the Earth. McGraw-Hill, Inc. Second Edition 1976. p. 441.

Sometime after 1980, a new paradigm emerged, suggesting that Phanerozoic Eon climate change had largely been driven by CO2 (Royer et al., 2004). The model was that the weathering rates of silicate rocks governed the atmospheric concentration of CO2 (Berner & Kothavala, 2001) and that CO2 was the “control knob” for temperature.  However, I’ve noticed problems with this paradigm in the Eocene, Miocene and Pliocene Periods. It may be time for a paradigm shift.

Putting Two and Two Together

Assuming the Royer/Berner temperature is valid (a YUGE assumption), it would appear that either CO2 drives temperature or vice versa… Or something else drives both CO2 and temperature. I recently came across an excellent reconstruction of Phanerozoic sea level. Chris Scotese (of PaleoMap fame) is one of the coauthors. They reconstructed the two primary components of sea level change: plate tectonic eustasy (green curve) and glacial-eustasy (light blue curve) and combined them into a tectono-glacio-eustasy (dark blue curve). Unsurprisingly, sea level changes over the past 540 million years have been mostly driven by plate tectonics.

Figure 7. Phanerozoic sea level reconstruction (Figure 10 from van der Meer et all., 2022).

The Scotese temperature reconstruction from the Geocraft article has a pretty good fit to the van der Meer sea level reconstruction:

Figure 8. Scotese temperature reconstruction overlaid on van der Meer sea level reconstruction

While Berner’s GEOCARB exhibits a secular decline in atmospheric CO2 over the Phanerozoic Eon, the Late Carboniferous and Neogene-Quaternary are strikingly similar.

Figure 9. Berner GEOCARB overlaid on van der Meer sea level reconstruction

It’s important to note that sea level reconstructions are, by nature, highly uncertain. Notice how widely the three reconstructions vary, particularly during the Paleozoic Era.

Figure 10. Sea level reconstructions: van der Meer 2022, Haq 2002-2008 and Hallam 1992 and Karlson 2020 ocean depth reconstruction.

Between temperature, CO2, sea level and ocean depth reconstructions, there is no lack of uncertainty. Uncertainty is pervasive in geology and climatology. However, I’m still intent on putting two and two together here.

The first two….

Oceans are at their deepest in 250 million years
[…]

The world map 200 million years ago shows all the continents assembled in the supercontinent of Pangaea, a time when dinosaurs were well on their way to dominating the Earth’s landmasses.

Since then, the continents have been shifting farther and farther apart, and now they may be as far apart as they can be, says Karlsen. Give the Earth a few hundred million years more, and the continents will probably remerge into a new supercontinent. One proposed name for that possible future reunion is Pangaea Proxima, according to New Scientist.

The movements and age of tectonic plates have a great effect on the depth of the world’s oceans. Just over 100 million years ago, the oceans were around 250 metres shallower on average than they are today.

The older the seabed, the deeper it is, according to a new research article by Karlsen and several colleagues at the Centre for Earth’s Evolution and Dynamics.

[…]

Science Norway

The second two…

There is an interesting pattern here, the highest sea levels have occurred when the ocean basins were at their shallowest and the continents were relatively closer together. These were also times when atmospheric CO2 levels and average surface temperatures were generally elevated. The only time when conditions were similar to the Quaternary Period was during the Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) and Early Permian Periods.

WUWT

The funny thing is that the highest sea levels have occurred when the ocean basins were at their shallowest and the continents were closest together.

Rates of mid-ocean ridge spreading determine the average age of the ocean floor and therefore, according to the depth/age relationship of cooling oceanic crust (Parsons and Sclater, 1977; Stein and Stein, 1992), control the volume of the ocean basins. Assuming a constant volume of sea-water and conservative estimates of continental hypsometry, the changing volume of the ocean basins directly dictates first-order mean eustatic sea level at > 10 Myr timescales (Conrad, 2013; Miller et al., 2005; Simmons et al., 2020; van der Meer et al., 2017).

van der Meer et all., 2022

While it is an assumption, it is an assumption based on what is understood about the geological histories of plate tectonics and sea level variations. Tectonic eustasy moves sea level up and down by altering the shapes of the ocean basins. Glacial-eustasy moves sea level up and down by moving water back and fourth between the oceans and continental ice sheets and glaciers. Neither process appears to require the net addition or subtraction of seawater over the past 540 million years. It appears that water added by volcanic outgassing and cometary impacts has been roughly balanced by the water subducted into the lower crust and mantle. Glacial-eustasy has rarely been a significant factor during the Phanerozoic Eon.

The deeper the oceans, the more CO2 they can store. According to my Stratigraphy & Sedimentation textbook, Principles of Sedimentology by Friedman and Sanders…

When the pH of seawater decreases, calcium carbonate dissolves.  In warm, shallow seas, at a pH of about 8.3, dissolution of aragonite and calcite particles by inorganic processes is almost nonexistent.  However, since the classical studies of the Challenger expedition, it has been known that the proportion of calcium-carbonate particles in seafloor sediments decreases as depth of water increases (Table 5-1).  Such decrease is particularly rapid at depths between 4000 and 6000 m.  Although the reasons for this decrease have been debated, the evidence suggests that calcium carbonate dissolves because the COconcentration increases with depth.  The control on COappears to be part biological; it results from biological oxidation of organic-carbon compounds.  Also, the water masses at greater depth were derived from the polar region; their temperature is lower and the water contains more dissolved CO2. Increased concentration of CO2 is in turn reflected by lower pH, which leads to calcium carbonate dissolution.  However, the increase of pressure with depth may also be involved; such increase affects the dissociation of carbonic acid (Eqs. 5-11 and 5-12).  The depth at which the calcium-carbonate decreases most rapidly is known as the carbonate-compensation depth, defined as the depth at which the rate of dissolution of solid calcium carbonate equals the rate of supply.

Friedman and Sanders

A very thorough, easy to read, description of the relationship between CO2 and seawater pH… However, the phrase “ocean acidification” is notably absent from the entire 300+ pages.  How is this possible?

Even way back then, we knew that past atmospheric  COconcentrations were often much higher and the oceans had oscillated between calcitic and aragonitic seas during periods of high and low atmospheric  COconcentrations. The graph below is more or less a cartoon; but it demonstrates that during the Phanerozoic Eon, the only two periods when magnesium-enriched calcite and, less abundantly aragonite, dominated marine geochemistry were from the Mid-Carboniferous to the Late Triassic Periods and the Neogene to Quaternary Periods (~35 MYA to today).

From Wikipedia By Wilson44691 at English Wikipedia – Transferred from en.wikipedia to Commons., Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=3965327

These two time periods also featured deeper ocean basins, ice sheets over one or both polar regions, relatively extensive alpine & valley glaciation, low concentrations of atmospheric CO2 and generally cool to cold climatic conditions.

The CO2 storage capacity of deep oceans (3,000m water depth) is massive. It us so massive that some have suggested injecting it at the seafloor in deepwater.

CAPACITY
Oceans occupy more than 70% of the Earth’s surface and have an average depth of about 3.8 km. Considering the saturation concentration of CO2 in seawater, this storage capacity is orders of magnitude greater than the capacity needed to absorb the CO2 produced by burning all of the world’s fossil fuel resources, equivalent to an estimated 5000 to 10,000 GtC.

Adams and Ken Caldeira, 2008

Now, I’m not advocating doing this. It would be prohibitively expensive and likely to cause actual environmental harm. I’m just noting that the inventor of the phrase, “ocean acidification,” thinks this is worth looking into.

The oceans know what to do with CO2:

CO2 exists in seawater in various forms as part of the carbonate system:

Adams and Ken Caldeira, 2008
(1)

The relative proportions of these species are defined by the pH of the solution and by equilibrium relationships. Dissolving additional CO2 increases production of hydrogen ions (decreasing pH), but the change is buffered by conversion of carbonate into bicarbonate. Thus, the principal reactions for CO2 dissolution in seawater are as follows:

Adams and Ken Caldeira, 2008
(2)
(3)

The CO2 that has accumulated in the shallower waters of the oceans will eventually find its way to deeper waters anyway via the biological carbon pump. It will just take much longer than capturing it and injecting it.

I think that changes in the depths of the ocean basins, over geologic time, has moved the carbonate compensation depth (CCD) up and down and that this is Earth’s primary control knob for atmospheric CO2. Periods with shallower ocean basins have generally had shallower CCD’s, higher concentrations of atmospheric CO2 and generally warmer temperatures. I think changes in the depths of the ocean basins can largely explain these things. While there clearly is some relationship between CO2 and temperature, I don’t think it’s the dominant factor in either direction over geologic time. I don’t consider the ~100,000 year Late Pleistocene glacial cycles, when temperature changes clearly drove changes in atmospheric CO2, to be geologic time. These short-term fluctuations aren’t resolved over 10’s of millions of years. Nor do I consider changes over the past 150 years to be geologic time. This is literally “noise.” This hypothesis I’m trying to develop, will try to explain changes over millions to tens of millions of years.

Any suggestions as to how to proceed would be helpful Of course, if the hypothesis has so little merit, that I shouldn’t waste any more time on it, please let me know.

Now I just have to work out the details… Stay tuned for more posts on this topic.

References

Adams, EE, Caldeira, K, 2008. Ocean Storage Of CO2, Elements 4 (5):319-324, DOI: 10.2113/gselements.4.5.319.

Berner, R.A. and Z. Kothavala, 2001. “GEOCARB III: A Revised Model of Atmospheric CO2 over Phanerozoic Time”, American Journal of Science, v.301, pp.182-204, February 2001.

Dott, Robert H. & Roger L. Batten.  Evolution of the Earth.  McGraw-Hill, Inc.  Second Edition 1976.  p. 441.

Friedman, G.M. and Sanders, J.E. (1978) “Principles of Sedimentology”. Wiley, New York.

Goswami, A.; Hinnov, L.; Gnanadesikan, A.; Young, T. Realistic Paleobathymetry of the Cenomanian–Turonian (94 Ma) Boundary Global Ocean. Geosciences 20188, 21.

Karlsen, Krister S., Mathew Domeier, Carmen Gaina, Clinton P. Conrad,
A tracer-based algorithm for automatic generation of seafloor age grids from plate tectonic reconstructions, Computers & Geosciences, Volume 140, 2020, 104508, ISSN 0098-3004, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cageo.2020.104508.

Royer, D. L., R. A. Berner, I. P. Montanez, N. J. Tabor and D. J. Beerling. “CO2 as a primary driver of Phanerozoic climate”.  GSA Today, Vol. 14, No. 3. (2004), pp. 4-10

van der Meer, Douwe G., Christopher R. Scotese, Benjamin J.W. Mills, Appy Sluijs, Aart-Peter van den Berg van Saparoea, Ruben M.B. van de Weg. Long-term Phanerozoic global mean sea level: Insights from strontium isotope variations and estimates of continental glaciation. Gondwana Research, Volume 111, 2022, Pages 103-121, ISSN 1342-937X, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.gr.2022.07.014.

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October 6, 2022 8:55 am

That is a lot of speculation and assumptions by the “inventor of the phrase, “ocean acidification,” thinks this is worth looking into.

The older the seabed, the deeper it is, according to a new research article by Karlsen and several colleagues at the Centre for Earth’s Evolution and Dynamics.”

This sounds like speculation and assumption.

It is my understanding that the oceanic deep water trenches and troughs are caused by subduction.
Locations where enormous amounts of seawater are subducted with oceanic and continental crust. Ingredients for powering the most explosive volcanoes.

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Give the Earth a few hundred million years more, and the continents will probably remerge into a new supercontinent.”

More speculation and surprising proof these characters are assuming facts not in evidence.
A “Pangaea Proxima” can form in much shorter time frames.

History demonstrates that possibility, frequently within two hundred million years.

Continent aggregations.jpg
Oddgeir
October 7, 2022 2:01 pm

CO2 exists in seawater in various forms as part of the carbonate system:

Sure.

The relative proportions of these species are defined by the pH of the solution and by equilibrium relationships.

Sure. Also Shirley all sorts of alarm bells are going off because the latter claim is true in- and by itself, but Shirley not true for seawater. For seawater (world oceans really, there will be variations according to temperature and salinity), the carbonate species concentrations are given:

They are 90%, 9%, 0.9% and 0.09% respectively for bicarbonate, carbonate, CO2 and H2CO3.

That 90% concentration of bicarbonate gives the ocean it’s pH. It’s varying according to temperature and salinity but is around 8.1, perhaps 8.2 or somewhere in between.

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Dissolving additional CO2 increases production of hydrogen ions (decreasing pH), but the change is buffered by conversion of carbonate into bicarbonate.

Yes. For freshwater and artificial seawater (laboratory seawater is not seawater, it is a brine) you will Shirley see a decreased pH in a laboratory cubic meter of brine. Bicarbonate buffer aside, your aquarium will be lifeless.

No. When it comes to our oceans, you can’t produce enough CO2 to move the bicarbonate concentration in 1.35 billion cubic kilometers from 90% (I believe I silly-calculated the concentration to amount to 90-100,000 ton per cubic kilometer).

The reason is that the carbonate species are in a delicate balance: If you add CO2, it will convert to H2CO3, HCO3- and CO3– to maintain those concentrations. If you add HCO3-, you might see instant outgassing to maintain the balance. If you add CO3–, it will also convert back up the slope

CO2– + H+ -> HC3O- +H+ -> H2CO3 -> H2O+CO2

Hence the bicarbonate concentration in said ocean is the same as before your though experiment, and that concentration still gives the ocean it’s pH which doesn’t move nowhere.

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Thus, the principal reactions for CO2 dissolution in seawater are as follows:
CO2+H2O+CO3– -> 2HCO3-

No. That is kitchen chemistry-mathematics and does not happen. It is to energy-consuming and WTF would a CO2 molecule surrounded by H2O molecules go look up a very rare CO3– molecule when the straight forward actual reaction is…

CO2+H2O -> H2CO3

Which instantly splits to H+ + CO3–, and which happens so quickly that the formula for the most part is written CO2+H2O -> H+ + CO3–?

and that this is Earth’s primary control knob for atmospheric CO2.

Ocean Conveyor Belt/Thermohaline Circulation CO2-rich deepwater upwelling. Less than 1000 years for a circulation to move CO2-rich seawater from deep cold- to surface temperate- is a lot faster than any CCD change.

Anyways, according to Henry and Dalton Old-School, you don’t need more than approximately 0.0056 Kelvin temperature change to shift our oceans CO2 solubility with ~100ppm atmospheric CO2.

So the question is: Has our planet got warmer? Our ocean has gotten 0.0056 degrees Kelvin warmer?

OK then! There science (Dalton, Henry) tells us where we have your CO2 from!

Oddgeir

Note: A couple of edits earned me a spam??

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