Guest “I couldn’t make this sort of schist up, if I was trying” by David Middleton
Americans are fleeing climate change — here’s where they can go
PUBLISHED THU, APR 21
Millions of Americans are living in communities with precarious climate conditions, in houses that feel overpriced.
There is a solution for many of these people, though: Move to one of the so-called climate havens.
Climate havens or climate destinations are situated in places that avoid the worst effects of natural disasters and have the infrastructure to support a larger population. Many of these legacy cities are located in the Northeast.
Jesse Keenan, associate professor of real estate at Tulane University, named the following cities as possible climate havens…
Anna Marandi, who served as the program manager of climate resilience and sustainability at the National League of Cities, added two other places to the safe haven list: Ann Arbor, Michigan and perhaps surprisingly, Orlando, Florida.
Orlando makes the cut, Marandi said, because the city has introduced measures to decarbonize.
Where do I start? Maybe with the headline:
Americans are fleeing climate change — here’s where they can go
The CNBC “journalist” has a BA in sociology, anthropology and film & media studies and seems to either think that Americans are literally fleeing climate change or she is making the standard alarmist assumption that something predicted by climate models, is already happening.
Any Americans who *are* currently fleeing climate change, probably should have known where they were going before they started to flee.
The academic geniuses, cited in the article, suggest that these places are good climate refugia:
One would think that the “associate professor of real estate at Tulane University” might have checked to see the actual patterns of and reasons for population migration. Maybe he could have checked with U-Haul or another major relocation company, like North American Moving Services.
According to the map above, people are “fleeing” the red states (that mostly vote blue) to refugia in the blue states (that mostly vote red). Note three quarters of the “climate haven” cities are in states that are hemorrhaging population.
So… It is clear that “Americans are fleeing” something, but it doesn’t appear to be climate change.
From what terrors are Americans fleeing? Where are they seeking refuge?
This is why they are fleeing:
1.) Desire for a lower cost of livingWhere Are Americans Moving in 2021?
2.) Moving closer to family
3.) Increased work flexibility
Other important factors for moving Americans include:
4.) Looking for new job opportunities
5.) Better schools
6.) Better safety regarding the pandemic
So… Americans actually aren’t “fleeing” anything. They are seeking out “better” everything than what they currently have.
The esteemed professor of real estate and “climate resilience and sustainability” expert think Americans should be moving to cities that are decarbonizing and reducing “urban sprawl” by packing people into small areas, where they can’t have personal automobiles (AKA: Agenda 21).
Orlando makes the cut, Marandi said, because the city has introduced measures to decarbonize. While the natural environment, such as being a noncoastal city, is an advantage, cities can “earn” the designation by working to provide benefits like affordable housing and being committed to economic sustainability.
“I see climate migration as an opportunity for these cities to avoid the mistakes of urban sprawl,” Marandi said. “They often have a vibrant, walkable downtown that might just need a little bit of revitalization.”CNBC
If climate change is a real problem, it’s a global problem. Local decarbonization measures don’t “earn” anything in the climate refugia department. While Charleston SC isn’t mentioned in the article, it appears to be on the map. It’s fracking sinking into the Atlantic Ocean. Why is it on the map as a possible climate haven? Did they “earn” climate haven status due to their junk lawsuit against “big oil”?
Real people seem to be seeking out “urban sprawl”…
Americans are moving to these states in particular for a few likely reasons:
1.) Desire for More Space – Neighbor.com found that half of those who are moving in 2021
desire more space in their new home.
With home space also being such a major factor, states with lower median housing prices such
as Arizona and Tennessee have become top destinations while California, New Jersey and New
York have far higher median home prices.
2.) Remote Work Opportunities – With no obstacles to living anywhere in the United States due to remote work, millions of Americans have taken the opportunity to live in a city where they will have more disposable income.
3.) Taxes – New York (12.7%), New Jersey (12.2%), Illinois (11.0%) and California (11.0%) all
rank among the top five states with the highest local and state tax combinations based on
research by the Tax Foundation.
Although taxes are not the only factor people consider when deciding where to live, they can
certainly be a major consideration.
Meanwhile, the states with the highest number of inbound Americans are some of the most
tax-friendly states in the US including Arizona with a 1.8% and Tennessee with no income ta
while South Carolina has a graduated income tax from 0 to 7%.
[…]Where Are Americans Moving in 2021?
Americans appear to be moving away from Agenda 21 utopias and “climate havens.”
- Climate change didn’t make the cut on the list of reasons Americans are moving.
- These items weren’t cited as desirable:
- Avoiding “urban sprawl.”
- Local decarbonization measures.
- Cities with “a vibrant, walkable downtown.”
- Cities “located in the Northeast.”
People seem to be seeking out places in the suburbs and beyond, where they can have more property, larger homes and bigger carbon footprints.
I immigrated to Canada, but it’s too cold here? Climate is definitely affecting me. Should I start a GoFundMe? /s
Gotta love Canada in the Summer…June 26th… otherwise you are in Post winter cold or pre winter cold
Nah. For about 50 years, my family and some friends owned a rustic 5 Br ‘cottage’ on Lake Palmerston in sort of southern Ontario. We would open up Memorial Day weekend after Ice out in order to fish for lake trout, and close up after Labor Day before the first freeze. So what if to go swimming on 4 July you had to wear a wetsuit? Besides, using the big stone living floor fireplace with its heatilators on 4 July to keep comfortably warm at breakfast is rather charming.
Yah, but… if you left Canada, you’d miss out on black fly season, all 164 species of them.
It’s better than bird watching because they seek you out. You don’t have to go search for them.
Count your blessings, Pauleta.
I lived in northern Illinois when I was a kid and was familiar with mosquitoes. As an adult, I lived in California and had experienced mosquitoes so thick in Yosemite that when running in the fields at the pass, I could feel the pressure of the clouds of mosquitoes on my hands. None of that prepared me for the ‘noseeums’ in New England when I was stationed at the Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory while in the Army. I went out on a warm May day wearing shorts and a T-shirt, with a gold pan tucked under my arm, with snow still on the ground in the woods. I literally didn’t know what bit me. When I got back into town, I had a half-dozen bright-red itchy spots about the same size and as uncomfortable as chigger bites. The only thing I have found to be worse is the sand flies on the South Island in New Zealand.
In Mass. they are called Deer Fly’s and what a welt they leave. Fishing in July with flannel on with rubber bands around your wrists and pant legs and a mesh hat to boot. Gotta love brook trout to put up with all that hey!
Yes, and buy a woodburning cast iron stove (one that will also use nat gas or propane) because the stove will keep part of your house nice and toasty.
It’s nearly the 1st of May where I live and the trees are only just now beginning to show the buds and florals (which produce maple seed, e.g.) AND the daytime/nighttime temps are WAY below average. Also, more rain – lots more – than last year, which is good for now, but will it last and give us the wildflowers that various bugs like to visit, never mind fodder for geese and ducks? Keeping track is a really good idea for this kind of thing, especially when the weather goes off its trolley tracks.
Oh! And I AIN’T moving. I like it here. Lots of hiking trails (snowshoeing and skiing in the winter!) and lakes for fishing, and plenty of 4-leggers and winged critters. Grocery stores everywhere, and short distances to most things. If Milwaukee is considered a place for “climate refugees”, they can have it. It used to be a nice city. Last time I was there, it was a mess, but that was a while back.
When people are spending their own money, a majority has different preferences than urban planners and green advocates. Dense downtown living is definitely a minority taste.
But a Vertical Dystopia is the only way to remove people from their cars
I could never understand the beehive mentality where a person lives nearly their entire life in their “hood” of a few blocks.
Actually, that was pretty much the way of life for most before the invention of the car.
The creation of the railways allowed the general public the method to travel at – relatively – low expense.
The discussion on those the changes to social structure allowed people the opportunity to not spend their entire lives looking at the blunt end of a plow is also probably worth having.
The private ownership of cars isn’t something to just brush aside in these discussions. Car ownership allows a person to travel anywhere/anytime within the restrictions of the public road network. Public transport allows a person to travel to defined areas on a defined timetable. If you can make it work for you, good on you. If you want to go somewhere outside peak times (say… your girlfriend and/or boyfriend’s place for… ummm… discussions on gothic era architecture or whatever the kids do these days) then you have to be prepared for a lot of extra effort.
This is a valid point, especially of the public transport is state owned.
What do we hear these days when protest rallies are planned for the CBD areas of our major cities? Trains and buses into the into have been cancelled.
If you control the methods of pubic movement you can prevent unauthorised concentrations of the public.
Not claiming that is the end game objective for any of these ‘anti car’ lobbies or anything.
Not in a beehive. Plenty of migration. In fact many were so desperate to do so they paid with their life trying to move to greener pastures.
Was that a double entendre?
Everyone fleeing potential Klimate Katastrophe should move to either -40c/f winter territory, the middle of Tornado Alley or along the Hurricane Central tracking zone
It’s very stable in Arviat, northern canada
-55 makes for very dead air, little turbulence or storms, no hurricanes or tornados
Off they should go
But take warm blankees
Or a warm Blanquie
And a Hot Toddy
Fun story about Tulane. One of my college room mates and I went to a nice seafood dinner and then a bar crawl in DC along the then working waterfront (we were staying in my parents home in the area), prelude to a serious Chesapeake Bay fishing trip. A couple of half drunk Tulane guys with dates kept pestering us in the bar, bragging that they were from ‘Tulane, the Harvard of the South’. After about the fourth such claim establishing their superiority, they made the fatal error of asking where we went to college? We said in unison ‘The Harvard of the north.’ Poof, they slunk out—and we enjoyed their abandoned dates for the rest of the evening.
And, I presume that students got to the Harvard of the South on a Tulane road?
Reminds me of a pic of the guy who invented the Algorerhythm.
A friend of mine, every time we were in the car driving and upon seeing someone “wander” across lane markers, would say “Tulane Graduate – working on his masters.”
When I was postdocing in Israel, an intern in our lab had a T-shirt with “Harvard” on the front and “the Stanford of the East” on the back. 🙂
When I was in college I had a sweatshirt that said “College”…
We live in semi rural western New Jersey USA. We are about 60miles due west of Manhattan. We have had a flood of refugees from NYC and surrounding areas the last few years. It has caused a surge in real estate prices here in corn country. At first I thought COVID but I’m no longer sure. Many people are able to work from home. This has drastically changed the dynamics of where you live
One other factor is crime is out of control in NYC
And always has been! In 1966, I had just gotten back from TDY in Greenland, I was walking down the street on my way to the bus depot, in uniform carrying my duffel bag, when two ‘indigenous tribesmen’ tried to relieve me of it in broad daylight. Other times I have gone there it seemed most of the people were trying to take advantage of me, if not outright rob me.
In fairness it WAS cleaned up substantially for a while, when Giuliani was elected mayor, but that only lasted until they elected “donkey” candidates for mayor again, and resumed their descent into “cesspool.”
P.S. You can thank “The Forgotten Borough” for the brief interlude of what a nice city NYC could be. Back to your normal programming…
I lived in Jersey City across the river from 1947-1973 so I know what you are talking about. It was far safer in the 1960’s and early 1970’s than after that. Guiliani cleaned it for a while but than there was low life DeBlasio……..
I think Covid policies too are a reason.
Ms Marandi possibly added Orlando cuz DIS is tanking!!! 😮 😉
Why are so many of the states gaining population (from internal migration) in the south and sunbelt? Maybe people like warmer climates!
It can’t be lower taxes, lower regulation, lower cost of living or better schools because climate change causes everything.
BTW – Are we sure people aren’t fleeing high taxes, high regulation, higher cost of living or bad schools?
when I retired I moved to Florida.I moved because of the climate. After 55 years of
freezing my ass off in those Lake Erie winters in NE Ohio I had had enough of that
scene. I like warm weather & have had zero regrets.
OT – Musk takes Twitter.
It’s doubly good. Musk will clean up Twitter, and Trump still launches Truth Social via Rumble cloud. Two is better than one when it comes to digital public squares constantly under leftist/progressive censorship attack supported by folks like Obumer. As we have just seen.
I would hold off on going whole hog on that assessment.
Musk bought it $44b
Mrs. Middleton, who had been banned from Twitter a few years ago for disparaging Alexandria Occasional Cortex, was suddenly invited back today via email and text messages. She replied, “F___ off! When you reinstate President Trump, I’ll come back!”… 😎
I’ve been banned/censored from several web sites for saying what I think about “Climate Change” It’s not fun to be shown the door for holding an honest opinion.
The really funny thing is that my wife was banned because Twitter determined that her disparaging remarks about AOC were racist. My wife is 100% Mexican… Twitter’s censors never explained how a Mexican could be racist towards a fellow Hispanic.
Musk owns it now so the invitation might be authentic
Probably because Twitter censors are the racists.
and Facebook censors, maybe?
Hispanic is not a race.
Be that as it may, if once reveres the scientific method, a proper argument can be easily made that there is only one race, the human race.
Everything is a race these days… Even the alphabet.
The amazing thing about being Hispanic and/or Latino is that it’s either Caucasian or not, depending on the cause and/or government’s needs at the time.
I was reading an article about how referring to weed as marijuana instead of cannabis is racist. The state of Washington recently passed a bill changing marijuana to cannabis in all of their laws.
Banned from LinkedIn for that reason.
I still get linkedin spam.
If I had know all I had to do was good off script a few times and they would spam block me themselves I would have done it years ago!
I ❤️ Her.
I lived in Ann Arbor for 30 years, where I came from Boston to attend the Harvard of the West. Rents and real estate are horribly high. About the only benefit Climate Change Refugees will like about A Squared is other people who believe in the myth. We used to call Ann Arbor, “Ten Square Miles Surrounded by Reality.” Now I live in Battle Creek, a working-class town where people can still think straight.
My brother and his wife both attended U. M. After they married, she also got her law degree and he got a masters in environmental science there. They have lived for many decades just outside Seattle. I dare say, not a lot of difference in outlook. We don’t discuss politics much when together. Not possible.
That’s where “coastal elites” come from.
There used to be a good ice cream place in Jackson and Cascarelli’s for Pizza in Albion.
I am a climate refugee.
Each Fall, I flee Canada for Arizona, then come late spring, flee Arizona back for Canada.
Can I get compensated for being an ‘official’ snow bird?
This truck driver used to go into Canada pretty regularly. No more. I refused the shots and thus am not welcome. Too be frank, as a truck driver that does not bother me one bit but as a person I would love to go fishing Walleye in Manitoba again.
That stinks Rah. Trudeau is a 💩.
Beware the bird choppers (industrial wind machines) both ways on your annual migrations.
Seems to me that what they’re really fleeing is the abject disaster that is Progressive policy.
Unfortunately they don’t learn their lesson and bring their voting habits with them, all too often.
Desperate effort to get people to move back to high taxes, high crime and government overreach.
Ironically, most of these are rust belt cities that led to the high levels of industrial pollution (including CO2 since they want to call that a pollutant.)
So much for addressing real issues.
CO2 is a pollutant?
If it’s the “woke” they attract, good! Less of them to pollute the non-deluded parts of the USA.
What’s up with her? How did she wind up as an “esteemed professor? Couldn’t pass her State’s Real Estate Licensing exam?
Two different “experts”:
Did either one pass a Real Estate licensing exam?
I note that neither one is a biologist. I’m not sure about their licensing status. Do they know what a woman is? Is either one a licensed Real Estate agent?
How many pancakes are in a canoe?
I flee things like heavily concentrated urban areas, high crime areas, places with too much snow without mountains to ski on, places with nothing but sand and rocks and cacti, and anyplace with CNBC ‘journalists and ‘sustainability’ professors.
@Dave – I bow to my intellectual superior.
Dumbass that I am, I once turned on the TV to watch Dan Rather.
There, forever went any claim I had to intellectual superiority.
P.S. I have no clue how to deal with people who think that Rachael ‘Madcow’ is hot, but on another intellectual level.
Wait… she is on another intellectual level. My pet snail, Arthur, said ‘G’day mate’ to Rachael Maddow just this morning, so I know it’s true. (Don’t tell anyone, but Arthur thinks Rachael is hot!)
I used to watch CBS news, started with what was on the one TV in the home I grew up in.
The LAST episode of CBS news I aver watched was when lefty DAN did a segment on Regan’s lousy economy. It featured a ditzy female “College graduate” who couldn’t get a job. She was on her way home to Florida to live with her parents, sound familiar? Her degree was in some sort of basket weaving studies program, you know, an at the time an unmarketable subject matter, and Dan blamed her inability to get gainful employment on Regan, not her inability to select a marketable career path.
I think THAT segment lead to Democrats seeking to create as many government funded programs as possible to supply the jobs these basket weaving degree holders could qualify for. (Or was it actually preceded by that ultimate goal, Dan being a Democrat insider?) So thus the voters for Democrats now have jobs that provide NOTHING for the overall betterment of mankind. All just “overhead”, no productive output of any kind. Clinton really started the ball rolling by getting tax breaks for college tuition.
Thus the massive increase in crap basket weaving curses of “study”, inclusivity this, racial bias that, multisexual the other and the associated “professors”. PLENTY of positions at all levels of government for the “graduates” of these programs, including Federal requirements for contract companies to provide required inclusivity, racial or sexual “bias” training requiring the hiring of these otherwise useless people. And now, of course, free college to fund these useless programs.
Reagan was the president
Regan was the Secretary of Defense
Thanks, brain fart. That “episode” of CBS Evening News still pisses me off to this day.
Hilarious!!!! maybe you should send her a picture of Arthur, she may want to get together.
Winter… Spring, going on Summer, and Fall, not far behind, away, 30, 100, 1000 years, in progress. Where, oh, where, is climate stasis? Where has climate stasis gone?
Americans are certainly fleeing but it is not a flight from ‘Climate Change’, it is a flight from the Biden-Democrat Effect.
The “Biden-Democrat Effect” is just the most recent tail end of “a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism”. Reasons for moving from some places, like CA, have been growing for much longer.
The new and changed email format of incoming WUWT alerts is so different, looks naked with only a black and white title and one sentence …. I prefer having a color banner and a more than one sentence describing what is in the post … let’s vote on it.
As we know, climate migration occurs every year in canada.
In October hundreds of thousands head for Arizona and Florida
In April and may they all return.
As predictable as the geese and caribou
Because cold blows
Even the demonization of warmth won’t stop people from acting rationally.
I must be getting old but I recall a couple of years ago a huge amount of global warming dumped on the Great Lakes area. It seems Jesse Keenan skipped her Geography classes as school.
More people flee from bad political climates than from 22nd century weather forecasts.
I’m a California climate policy refugee who now lives in Nevada..
Welcome. Register to vote and vote out the crap we now have in office in Nevada.
2 House seats now held be Democrats now listed as tossup. The Democrat controlled redistricting attempted to rebalance the 4 seats to one Republican and 3 Democrat by spreading out some Democrats voters from a predominantly D district to “ensure” 3 D districts.
Red wave MAY make that move folly. Every vote is NEEDED to make it so. It would be grand to have 3 House Republicans and get back the one Senate seat up this go round.
I vote for the upper Mid-Hudson Valley of New York State. Taxes a bit high, but no serious tornadoes (we had a baby one years ago), hurricanes at the coast not not up here, riverfront is high bluffs, no poisonous snakes (so rare that the tiny areas that have them are protected), 4 seasons but seldom hard winters. 100 miles of thruway to NYC for those who must….
Kip, ‘you wimp’. I just sold my Wisconsin dairy farm, so am now limited to our North Georgia cabin near lake Blue Ridge. We have sow black bears with multiple cubs, copperheads, eastern rattlesnakes (my brother’s property just over the NC border had a 6 footer last year), wild bobcats attacking our porch grill, and more.
Love it all, but also have a Valmet shooting system handy.
Rud ==> Love it — when I am not in a hurry I drive the Blue Ridge Parkway in the way to the south.
Avoid NY and based on name only, go to Tunkhannock in Pennsylvania
Lovely area. I live not far from Tunkhannock. Never thought I’d see anyone mention it.
Ah, the magnificent bridges of the old Lackawanna Cutoff.
In 2016, many people told us they would fly away from US hateful political climate if Trump was elected…
Thus the backlog at the southern border.
And did they relieve the rest of us of their infernal insanity, NOOOOO?
Dang it all!
I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve been told by one liberal or another that they would leave the country if whatever Democrat running at the time didn’t win.
Not once has it actually happened.
Broken promises and liberals just go together.
I’m still waiting for Alec Baldwin to go to France like he promised to do when Bush was elected 22 years ago…
IIRC Johnny Depp actually DID follow through and moved to France when Bush was elected. He moved back at some point.
This is actually not funny. Klaus Schwab and his many elite followers in government are planning the end of property ownership, and the destruction of the middle class. Wake up folks.
about Schwab: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Schwab#Criticism
. . . another rich ___?___
I think I just discovered the root of the problem!
College in the 60’s & 70’s:
College in the 2020’s:
For maybe 100-150 years, America and Canada has had “Climate Refugees” fleeing not the heat, but the cold. I guess Lindsey Jacobson never heard the term “Snowbirds,” a term referring to those from Northern & Northeastern Americans and many from Canada who have flocked to such warm climes as Florida, SoCal, Arizona, New Mexico & Texas each year to escape the hideous winter weather up north. In Alaska, many head to Hawaii. Others in the US and Canada make their winter abodes in central America and some in the Caribbean. It’s not the heat so many wish to escape. Quite the opposite, it’s the long, cold, dark winters. In Europe many do likewise, especially the UK to Valencia, Barcelona and the Balearics.
Of course once it warms up a little too much in those sunny and warm climes, just like the geese, ducks and cranes, off to the north they return to their regular homes.
For some, living down the the deserts of the southwest are not only a warmer and sunnier place for the winter, but also a cheaper place to live and enjoy life.
This mass “climate migration” started in the 19th century and still happens today, though it will probably never make the MSM as the climate experts and scientists will probaly continue to identify zebras, not horses, when hoofbeats are heard.
A golf partner of mine put it succinctly: “Pines in the summer, palms in the winter.”
Climate isn’t motivating anyone. Liberal political policies and the resultant high crime rates and high taxes, however, are very motivating.
The climate in Florida may be great, but look out for the weather!
so nobody is moving out of California due to the increase in number and intensity of fires and the drought? Nobody on the Louisiana coast is affected..?
and I’ve got some beachfront property for sale only to Watts readers
Climate is mentioned once in the article…
Nobody on the Louisiana coast is affected by anything that happens in California.
I will buy it.
And right on cue the lie spewing liar toddles in to spew lies.
Don’t know much about the US, do you? Your comment makes no sense.
He doesn’t know anything about anything, and none of his comments make any sense.
I don’t know about Watts readers, but former President Obama seems to be in the market for beachfront property. Not just one, but two multimillion-dollar mansions threatened by climate change.
According to a Berkeley Poll, the reasons people gave for leaving California were:
71% said cost of living too high
58% said taxes were too high
California’s biggest cities are unaffordable and crime ridden in case you’ve been under a rock for the last 10 years.
That is correct, nobody is moving out of California due to the non-existent increase in fires and there has been no increase in hurricanes either.
People are fleeing the northeast BECAUSE of weather and leftarded stupidity. Fleeing Cali INSPITE of climate and because of leftarded stupidity. So, by simple process of elimination, people are moving within CONUS because of leftarded stupidity, climate is off the bottom of the list, and weather is 3rd to 5th down the list.
I live near one of those norther climate havens and believe me, people are not moving here for the weather/climate. Most of the people I know are moving south to live in a warmer city. These people are crazy and stupid. If they are also ugly it’ll be a hat trick.
I just might be moving to Montana soon. I hear dental floss is big there.
Just need to find me a pygmy pony.
Seriously though, we love it where we are, in NH. Been in the same house in a semi-rural area for 34 years now, with no plans to ever move. We like having four distinct seasons. Yes, the cost of living here is higher than other places. Don’t care, not that we are wealthy or anything, just reasonably well-off. Our house, is a very very very fine house, with 4 cats in the yard. Oops, now I’ll have that ear worm stuck for the rest of the day.
Great album, he is missed. where they keep the imaginary diseases
You can run, but you can’t hide from Manbearpig.
I’m cereal. I’m super cereal.
Americans are not fleeing Climate Change, instead they are fleeing insane Leftist agendas and policies.