End of Snow? Finland Thinks Their Winter Snow Might Not Melt This Summer

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Finland thinks that piles of snow accumulated from road clearing this year are so large, some of the snow will still be frozen when winter returns.

In Finnish capital region, snow piles built up this winter may not melt during summer

FINLAND  15 MARCH 2021

THE CAPITAL REGION of Finland has received so much snow this winter that the metres-high piles hauled to designated snow dump areas may not melt during the course of the summer, reports Helsingin Sanomat.

In Uusimaa, for example, the amount of snow was 1.7 times higher than last year in January, according to Foreca.

Helsingin Sanomat on Friday wrote that the piles of snow stand almost as high as 20 metres at the dump area in Herttoniemi, eastern Helsinki. In Maununneva, a north-western neighbourhood of the city, lorries have dumped roughly 16,000 loads of snow at the dump area, revealed Tero Koppinen, a production manager at Helsinki City Construction Services (Stara).

The snow ploughed from roads forms a large structure, nicknamed by the locals as the Alps, also at the only snow dump area in Espoo, in Vanttila.

Read more: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/18867-snow-piles-built-up-this-winter-may-not-melt-during-summer-in-finnish-capital-region.html

The Fins mostly seem to be treating this as a joke, maybe a chance to cool off on warm Summer days. And most likely this event will have no long term consequences.

But history teaches that when ice ages strike, they can strike abruptly, with very little warning.

12,800 years ago, the world abruptly froze. Temperatures plunged back to ice age conditions, and stayed cold for over 1000 years.

In 2009, a group of scientists researching high resolution sediment samples from Lough Monreach, an ancient lake in Ireland, claimed the return to ice age conditions might have occurred over a period of less than a year. In the lead researcher’s words, “It would be like taking Ireland today and moving it up to Svalbard, creating icy conditions in a very short period of time”.

There is nothing unusual about ice ages in our current geological epoch. It is the reprieve from cold temperatures which is unusual, not the glaciation. Most of the last 115,000 years the world was locked in a harsh ice age, with vast ice sheets covering Europe and Canada. The Holocene, our current brief respite from extreme glaciation, only stretches back for the last 12,000 years.

While climate alarmists parade their worthless computer models and shriek that the world is overheating, paleo-climatologists are aware that far from being unusually warm, the world is currently in the grip of the Quaternary Glaciation, a period of unusual cold which has so far lasted 2.6 million years. What we are experiencing right now is the Holocene, a brief respite from the vast ice sheets which define much of the Quaternary.

A return to extreme cold is unlikely to happen in our lifetimes. Noteworthy geological scale events rarely happen on a human timeframe. But a return to glaciation at some point in the future is inevitable. Let us hope our descendants maintain the technological and engineering prowess they will need to hold back the ice, when the ice finally returns to challenge our beautiful home.

Update (EW): Fixed a few typos.

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PCman999
March 21, 2021 10:18 pm

Knowledge of History is your friend and a shield against the propagandists and liars.

Mohatdebos
Reply to  PCman999
March 22, 2021 10:05 am

The alarmists should be required to visit the Viking Museum in Oslo, Norway. The Viking era ended when they couldn’t go out to sea as spring came later and fall came earlier at the start of the little ice age.

Bill13
Reply to  Mohatdebos
March 22, 2021 10:18 am

That was the favorite part of our trip to Norway 2 winters ago. Stunning artifacts!

Bryan A
March 21, 2021 10:43 pm

Are the Finns more accurately building a Glacier (jäätikkö)?
Or is this story simply making a mountain out of a snow hill??

starzmom
Reply to  Bryan A
March 22, 2021 7:53 am

And can you ski on it? A new summer sport.

Anon
March 21, 2021 11:02 pm

If anyone gets into a discussion about glaciers with alarmists, this video is quite good:

Little Ice Age, Big Chill

https://youtu.be/BqMqmXnWwVU?t=128

In the mid to late 1600s, glaciers began to grow extremely rapidly in the French Alps and obliterated many alpine towns that had grown up during the Medieval Warm Period. The change was so abrupt, the Church was called into to see if they could intervene on the behalf of God.

That all happened within about a decade.

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fred250
March 21, 2021 11:06 pm

Yearly accumulation of un-melted snow.

Thus starts an Ice age. 😉

Scissor
Reply to  fred250
March 22, 2021 5:06 am

There was snow again overnight in the Denver area and the forecast calls for snow to fall on 3 of the next 4 days. We still have piles from last week’s big storm.

Ferdberple
March 21, 2021 11:43 pm

Didnt something similar happen in Buffalo NY in the late 60s?

Scissor
Reply to  Ferdberple
March 22, 2021 5:09 am

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Detengineer
Reply to  Scissor
March 22, 2021 1:30 pm

Fond memories.

The slide show doesn’t do it justice. School was cancelled that Friday. I shoveled the 3” of snow off the drive at 10 AM (a light dusting in Western New York parlance). When I finished at 11 I looked west to see a solid wall of black moving in.

Our house had a 5’ diameter tree in the front yard about 20’ from the front window. By 11:45 we couldn’t see the tree. Visibility was truly zero.

The death toll wasn’t known until April when the last of the drifts melted.

Timo V
March 22, 2021 12:17 am

Greetings from Finland! Yes, winter’s been quite harsh this year. It started late, but since the end of december it’s been more like winters in 1970s. Twice the normal snow, and looong cold periods. Oh, and previous winter was very mild, and we were told it was because of climate change, so naturally this cold is caused by AGW too, say the wise folks at Finnish Meteorological Institute.

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Timo V
Reply to  Timo V
March 22, 2021 12:55 am

I’m in the position where i see lots of people daily, and this is a first time since 2008, when my eyes opened about AGW claims, people are starting to laugh at this ridiculouness.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ren
March 22, 2021 7:22 am

Any late freezes in store for the U.S., ren?

ren
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 22, 2021 11:00 am

Sudden increases and decreases in geomagnetic activity suggest a meridional jetstream.comment image
Save this graphic for yourself. It will show the forecast three days ahead. There will be frigid air below the ozone area.comment image

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ren
March 22, 2021 1:04 pm

Thanks, ren. I may hold off planting until about April 15. 🙂

Anon
Reply to  Timo V
March 22, 2021 5:29 am

Ask the wise folks at the FMI how much we need to “cool the planet” so that it won’t snow so much in Finland and warm winter temperatures will return again. Anyway, it is good to know that if we cool the planet too much, by introducing one of Bill Gates’ ideas, we won’t have to worry about snow again in Europe.

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Timo V
Reply to  Anon
March 22, 2021 6:08 am

I have never heard FMI scientists mention AMO, so they are either incompetent or dishonest bastards.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Timo V
March 22, 2021 1:06 pm

Tony Heller had a good AMO chart on his website today:

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This is the real temperature profile of the globe and the AMO shows the same temperature profile as the regional surface temperature charts.

What they all show was that it was just as warm in the Early Twentieth Century (and before) as it is today.

What this tells us is that the climate pattern is cyclical, it warms for a few decades, and then it cools for a few decades and repeats.

CO2 has no noticable influence on the Earth’s atmospheric temperatures. This is demonstrated by the fact that CO2 concentrations are currently higher than it was in the past, yet it is no warmer today than then.

It’s all (or most) from natural variation.

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Timo V
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 22, 2021 2:22 pm

Coldest temps i remember, in 1976 or -77 when AMO really bottomed were down to -44C. Later in 1985-87 we had three really cold winters in a row. I was studying and driving truck part time when we had weeks long period when temps were between -30C-40C. It was horrible, cars broke and cold started to creep into houses, everyday living became incredibly difficult. I hate cold.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 22, 2021 5:42 pm

If climate scientists want to hindcast the real global temperature profile, they should use the AMO chart.

If climate scientists want to compare CO2 rise to temperature rise, they should use the AMO chart.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Timo V
March 22, 2021 7:20 am

Just remember that whatever the weather is currently doing it is “the new normal” and it’s worse than you think.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Robert W Turner
March 23, 2021 12:11 am

Also, “It may already be too late”.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Timo V
March 22, 2021 12:30 pm

Send the wise folks a link to my paper, Timo.

Then ask them to explain how they know anything about a possible influence of CO2 on the climate.

Andy Espersen
March 22, 2021 12:34 am

Finland is exactly where a new ice age will begin – when it comes. Some time within the next few thousand years, maybe year 2021, this will happen.

Am I right??

Anon
Reply to  Andy Espersen
March 22, 2021 6:02 am

No. Under global warming theory, the Arctic is heating up twice as fast as the rest of the planet and this heating causes the break-up of the polar vortex making the more northerly latitudes colder. So, everything is happening exactly as predicted.

Given that, the Finnish government should make plans to relocate Helsinki to Lapland, to escape the cold and snow. That will also save lives, as once the Polar Bears realize what is happening they will head south to stay cool, endangering residents. Presumably the permafrost line will migrate as well, making further building in the Helsinki area futile (or very expensive).

Not many people know this (as they are still expecting vineyards and olive groves in Britain), so if you get in on Lapland real estate early, you will avoid the rush and make a killing!

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Timo V
Reply to  Anon
March 22, 2021 8:11 am

Excellent!👌🤣

ale
March 22, 2021 12:49 am

we had a strong La Niña this year, no reason to scream cold doom. Chill you all

Derg
Reply to  ale
March 22, 2021 2:54 am

Whew that is relief, because hopefully it warms up before AOCs end of the world in 9 years.

ale
Reply to  Derg
March 22, 2021 3:10 am

our society will likely end because of all the fear these crooks instill in us

commieBob
Reply to  ale
March 22, 2021 4:15 am

I see what you did there. 🙂

Coeur de Lion
March 22, 2021 12:51 am

Consider the Younger Dryas and that little flower. Precipitous.

SAMURAI
March 22, 2021 1:15 am

Leftist CAGW alarmists hilariously predicted: an end to snow by now (thank you IPCC Dr. Viner),summer Arctic sea Ice would be all gone by now, the earth will be uninhabitable by 2030, and that the global temp anomaly trend would be 0.3C/decade by now, among many other silly predictions.

When the PDO & AMO reenter their 30-year cool cycles, CAGW will be laughed onto the trash heap of failed ideas…

CAGW alarmists will first try ye old excuse that CO2 warming is causing global cooling, but such absurdity will not be supported by real scientists,..

John Karajas
Reply to  SAMURAI
March 22, 2021 1:56 am

And guess what Samurai? Tim Flannery, one of Australia’s most “famous” climate alarmists predicted that the dams in eastern Australia would never fill again. Currently eastern Australia is experiencing one of its wettest ever rainfalls and the problem now is not shortage of water but far too much: flooding, overflowing dams, cars washed off roads into rivers, emergency evacuations by helicopter, etc. That clown Flannery was awarded “Australian of the year” some years back. People still give him a lot of credence.

commieBob
Reply to  John Karajas
March 22, 2021 4:20 am

The words ‘cretin’ and ‘credence’ have no common root and yet in this case they sort of sound like synonyms.

SAMURAI
Reply to  John Karajas
March 22, 2021 9:25 am

John-san

In 2017, the Oroville dam in California (of course) almost completely collapsed due to criminal negligence in spillway maintenance because Leftist political hacks thought Oroville lake would never reach its maximum level due to CAGW….

180,000 people were evacuated during the dam crisis, and 1,000’s of Americans could have died had the dam broke because political hacks actually take the CAGW hoax seriously…

In many respects, the absurd belief in CAGW is an existential threat to many people around the globe, especially in the 3rd World where 10’s of millions of Africans are being deprived of coal generate electricity, which is the only form of grid-level power they can afford—-so they are forced burn dung….in the 21st century….like they’ve been doing for the past 100,000 years…

Isn’t Leftism grand…

Pat Frank
Reply to  SAMURAI
March 22, 2021 12:35 pm

CAGW is indeed an existential threat because the people who believe in it are pushing insane policies that could produce mass deaths.

Mohatdebos
Reply to  SAMURAI
March 22, 2021 3:22 pm

Rachel Carson. Her Anti-DDT tirade is still killing millions in Africa.

EOM
Reply to  SAMURAI
March 22, 2021 5:43 am

I disagree with your second paragraph: You should either look at this CAGW as a cloying religion or as a contagious psychosis, Unfortunately, either way, there are other serious symptoms that present. Looking at recent history, as that sort of dysfunction progresses, it becomes deadly, Stalin, Mao and Hitler are just three of many examples. This pathology has the potential to become more dangerous to humanity than the plagues of the mid 1300s. I seem to be witnessing this spreading and rapidly overtaking my nation.

SAMURAI
Reply to  EOM
March 22, 2021 9:58 am

EOM-san:

Leftist scientists and leaders don’t actually believe CAGW is real….

Leftists are merely using CAGW as a tool to control every aspect of people’s lives, and as a means to steal $100’s trillions from taxpayers to fund The New World Order..(Yeah, sound nuts, but it’s actually been orchestrated amazingly well).

Most people believe in CAGW because they have been brainwashed by the MSM, public schools, universities, Hollywood, TV, social media, etc., and feel the need to conform. (read about the Asch Conformity Effect)

I do agree that Leftism is a religious cult that far too many people have been indoctrinated into by public schools and other cultural institutions.

CAGW will eventually be abandoned and replace by another crisis created by Leftists..

Pat Frank
Reply to  SAMURAI
March 22, 2021 12:42 pm

Sam “Leftist scientists and leaders don’t actually believe CAGW is real….

Yes, they do, Sam. I have that on direct testimony. They know its true because their ideology provides this syllogism:

capitalistic humans are destructive
capitalistic humans burn fossil fuels
Burning fossil fuels is destructive.

Then they just tendentiously interpret fuzzy quasi-science to confirm their ideology and syllogism.

The lesson is that there is no limit to self-delusion. They really do believe it, even though it rational nonsense, and the self-circularity of their thinking looks to them like proof.

SAMURAI
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 22, 2021 9:05 pm

Pat-san:

Please note I said Leftist leaders, not Leftist hacks and minions..

You are correct that Leftist useful idiots believe wholeheartedly in the CAGW Hiax, because they’ve been brainwashed into their belief over the past 30 years…

I’m referring to Leftist instigators of the CAGW hoax who perpetuated this hoax from the start.

in the 1970’s, these CAGW same instigators started the man made Ice Age Hoax (blamed on coal particulates), which ended in 1980 when the PDO restarted its 30-year cool cycle..

Then these same Leftist instigators started the CAGW hoax in 1988, blaming CO2 for rising global temps…

CAGW and CAGC were both political phenomena, not physical…

Who knows what the next Leftist Hoax will be…

As Steven King once wrote, “Fool me once, shame me on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me thrice….shame on both of us…

Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers
Reply to  SAMURAI
March 23, 2021 11:17 pm

My response to the CAGW crowd is ALDOR – Administer Lethal Doses of Ridicule!

Climate believer
March 22, 2021 1:17 am

Doesn’t seem to have a negative effect on them. Finland voted happiest country in the world fourth year in a row! 😉

Timo V
Reply to  Climate believer
March 22, 2021 7:46 am

You would’nt believe the whining here, after that news broke out!

Alex
March 22, 2021 1:26 am

Yes, this winter was extremely snow rich.
Tajiks workers in Moscow already start to disperse the snow piles.
Otherwise those can last far into May.
May be, Finnland should open boundary for the Tajik workers?

Ken Irwin
March 22, 2021 1:28 am

Continental landmass glaciation does not proceed at a “glacial pace” sideways – they grow vertically when it doesn’t stop snowing. The glacial pace sideways motion that follows will grind those cities in its path to dust and push them off sideways into the oceans.

An Ice age will destroy most European and North American cities.
 
An ice age will come – and when it does it will be catastrophic for humankind and our civilization.
 
Mankind does not have anywhere near the kind of power and resources to save their civilization from such an onslaught by Mother Nature.
 

Scissor
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 22, 2021 5:03 am

Not if Bill Gates blots out the sun.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 22, 2021 12:44 pm

Ranks of the unemployed, really long extension cords, and hair-dryers.

Theyouk
Reply to  Ken Irwin
March 22, 2021 12:26 pm

Ken–Spot-on, and often overlooked. It wasn’t the snow in Wisconsin that made those lakes and the Kettle Moraine; it was the fact that somewhere around Hudson Bay/Baffin Island the accumulation of snow was so significant and sustained (and yes, not melting there) that gravity induced the movement of ice over 1,000 miles (and obviously not melting along the way). BTW–Anyone find any good models for this (ice accumulation & movement)?

Chaswarnertoo
March 22, 2021 2:19 am

Ice ages start with snow not melting in the summer.

Peta of Newark
March 22, 2021 3:00 am

I am so laughing, head-shaking, wondering, face-palming, am-I-actually-reading-this-ing but, just out of mischief wondering asking enquiring…

wtf is the ever so precious carbon footprint of gathering up snow, putting it into trucks, wheeling it (some) miles away and then using ever more time, resource and not least diesel to build piles that are over 60 feet high?

Are they really so all that incapable of doing something else, anything else, with the stuff?

Otherwise I see, and we can ‘sod’ the global warming, global greening, natural variation, weather or climate….. I see rampant stupidity, selfishness, greed & laziness.

As I see everywhere else in the Western World and so beautifully highlighted here, daily.
sorry. but I do

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Peta of Newark
March 22, 2021 3:16 am

btw;
Hopefully a few folks realise that the snow came because the trees, Finland is famous for trees, because the trees are hungry.

Thus:

  • They pulled vastly more water out of the ground to try feed themselves from a diminishing supply of macro & micro nutrient in their soil
  • They evaporated that water = cooling
  • The water, no longer in the soil, allowed the soil/ground/landscape to cool more than it might
  • The dry soil exacerbated periods of dry air above the trees e.g. while they were/are winter dormant & at night
  • The dry air increased the Lapse Rate Thermal Gradient, so,what heat was in the ground raced up and outwards
  • The increased Lapse Rate effectively lowered the thickness of the Troposphere and so….

While it was passing and had a ‘wavy’ inclination (probably caused by a volcanic disturbance) the Stratosphere dropped in to visit Finland.
Just like it did on the Great Plains and Texas recently.

nice. baked it a cake didya?
Oh noes, you had no leccy for the cooker. silly me.
silly you, for allowing the trees to go hungry

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Meab
Reply to  Peta of Newark
March 22, 2021 9:56 am

Parts of Finland are barren yet those parts also get snow. Other parts of Finland are covered with Birch trees. Birch trees are deciduous – they don’t evapo-transporate in the winter – you know, when it snows, but it snows over the Birch forests too. The water from which snow forms comes almost entirely from moving moisture-laden air masses that form over warmer parts of the ocean and subsequently blow over land. Give it up, you can’t affect the climate with your wacky idea of making dirt more “nutritious”.

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philincalifornia
Reply to  Peta of Newark
March 22, 2021 3:22 am

Hey, get with the narrative dude.

If they take piles of snow from a grid cell that’s at -3C and pile it on other piles of snow at -3C, then that piled up grid cell stays at -3C, but the newly, freshly minted insolated grid cell is +3C so they can add 6C to the global anomaly data salad.

I know, I know – stop giving them ideas.

Steve E.
Reply to  Peta of Newark
March 22, 2021 4:27 am

Well, NYC did figure out that they would use less diesel fuel by using the fuel to run special heated trucks and letting the melt water go down the storm drains…

Ron Long
March 22, 2021 3:33 am

That does it for me, Eric, I don’t like the cold anymore, so I’m moving to Hutchinson Island, Florida, just to be near the St. Lucie Nuclear Power Plant (also to play golf and walk on the beach)

Graham Balderson
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 22, 2021 4:59 pm

Jeez, Eric, you would not be walking on the beach or playing golf to-day. Here on the Gold Coast, all of the golf courses are under water as a result of up to half a metre of rain over the last three days and it is still raining. What a interesting country we have here in Australia. Droughts and bushfires one year, floods the next, all the result of El Nino and La Nina dancing with each other and taking centre stage in turn.

James
March 22, 2021 3:43 am

We need more CO2 to protect against the next ice age and to stop plants from dying through its eventual absortion. If plants die – everything dies.

Jukka Roppanen
March 22, 2021 3:44 am

This claim that all the snow would not melt in Finland during summer is originally from NOAA. I live here in Finland and can say for sure that it is a completely fake news, like so many from that company.

Rod Evans
March 22, 2021 4:29 am

Surely there is some mistake in this article.
Snow in Finland? Where on earth did that idea come from. The end of snow is well documented and spoken of by those awfully well read knowledgeable scientists who study this kind of thing. Real experts, people like Ms Thunderberg, Al the almost President Man Mann the almost…well almost is sufficient, people like that.
How can we ever believe there is snow in Finland and in winter?
Unbelievable.

Boris Winterhalter
Reply to  Rod Evans
March 22, 2021 6:40 am

Lets get a little scientific. Finland is a rather long country stretching from south abt 60th latitude to the northen tip 70th latitude and geographically located between a continental eastern and a marine western climate zone which makes our weather somewhat unpredictable. So some winters are cold with variable amounts of snow enjoyed by winter sporters and some with poor snow conditions in the north. Summers can also vary

The cited news are somewhat misleading although snow removal in urban areas are a problem and some of the minor roads or streets, may have to wait an hour or two for the busy snow plowers, but beyond that the streets are efficiently cleaned. During a really snowy winter the main urban problem is the removal and reserving sufficient dumping sites.

This rather snowy and cold winter was “anounced” by Kalevi Mursula, head of the solar research facility at the University of Oulu during a seminar in August 15 2020. His prophecy was based on studies of solar activity etc.

Bruce Cobb
March 22, 2021 5:00 am

Technically, we are already in an ice age known as the Quaternary, so I think you mean glacial period. We are in an interglacial period called the Holocene, which is now about 11,500 years old, which is old for an interglacial. That is, the next glacial period could actually begin anytime now. Hilariously, the Alarmists actually believe that we will never have another glacial period, due to man’s influence. The father of greenhouse theory himself, Svante Arrhenius later recanted on his original idea that man’s CO2 might be able to avert the next glacial, which he viewed as a good thing, unlike the Alarmist morons.
Glacials aside though, a more likely scenario in the coming decades is a period of cooling, possibly equalling LIA conditions, but if we’re lucky, maybe only equalling the cooling during the 50’s thru 70’s. We shall see.

R Taylor
March 22, 2021 5:08 am

Since no-one else has said it yet, “Yes, but it’s rotten snow.”

tygrus
March 22, 2021 5:13 am

A lot of historical records showing glaciers/ice/snow multi-decadal cycling between less & more without AGW.

If a glacier carves rocks from the sides & bottom does it make it appear thinner but wider? If mountains are being forced up & if you spread the same amount over a wider cross section are they being measured & compared to history accurately?

ArmyAviator
March 22, 2021 5:43 am

It seems that GLOBAL WARMING is going to FREEZE OUR A$$es!

rbabcock
March 22, 2021 5:51 am

The trend is certainly down over the past 15 months. http://climatlas.com/temperature/jra55/jra55_globe_t2m_2021.png

Coach Springer
March 22, 2021 6:31 am

Ditch glaciers?

ResourceGuy
March 22, 2021 6:56 am

Is this good or bad in the climate accounting system? It might get them kicked off the climate junket list.

ResourceGuy
March 22, 2021 6:58 am

How much carbon emissions did they have in piling the snow up for fossil fuel vehicle transport.

Bruce Cobb
March 22, 2021 7:01 am

Two words; Snow melters.
Two more; Get some.

Robert W Turner
March 22, 2021 7:19 am

We’re in the Quaternary Iceage which is in an interglacial. This story conflates the two.

Walter Horsting
March 22, 2021 7:29 am

Cooling ahead

Modern-Grand-Maximum-To-Cooling-Zharkova-2015-1.jpg
ResourceGuy
Reply to  Walter Horsting
March 22, 2021 11:27 am

Thanks!

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Walter Horsting
March 22, 2021 1:33 pm

It’s the multi-cycle effect that they just don’t seem to get with their single-cycle correlations and comparisons. Compounding effects of cooling in the NH matters.

March 22, 2021 7:52 am

At least, the Arctic melt season didn’t really start ’til today.
Nevertheless, the max growing may have ended on March 10/11.

Paul Johnson
March 22, 2021 8:05 am

Time to start spreading black tarps.

Stevek
March 22, 2021 8:10 am

Old Indian say “snow in shade take longer to melt”

philincalifornia
Reply to  Stevek
March 22, 2021 8:21 am

Confucius would’ve said it first if only he could speak English !!

TonyG
March 22, 2021 8:32 am

If glaciation suddenly returned, over 1 year or even 10 years, I’m sure they would find a way to blame either global warming (“climate change”) or “deniers”, or, more likely, both. Kinda reminds me of Niven’s “Fallen Angels” (which I learned about from other posters here – funny how fiction so often can predict fact)

Steve Z
March 22, 2021 9:22 am

When the Finns finally get the roads cleared, they should give Greta a free ride from Sweden to see the huge snow piles and ease her mind about global warming. Give her a sled or a pair of skis and let her enjoy her youth in the snow, and leave the rest of us alone!

Sara
March 22, 2021 9:39 am

Hey, I had a pile of snow 12 feet high in my yard. Shoveled by my neighbor. Now it’s down to a small patch the size of a dinner plate and kind of ragged in appearance.

You’d think the Finns would be used to bad weather in the winter, wouldn’t you? Are they getting soft? Maybe they should spend a real, snow-filled winter in Chicago, like 2011, or this last bit which started in late January and ended its attempts to intimidate mid-westerners in mid-February. Pffffttt!

The Finns are squawking about snow and cold when they live further north than I do, and I’m 35 miles north of Chi-town. Oh, yeah – lest I forget, Lake Michi Gamu is REALLY loaded up this spring: higher levels again, just like 2011 and several winters afterwards. I have not looked up the volume going into the Mississippi River but I’d bet it’s high.

TonyG
March 22, 2021 9:41 am

Just curious: Is there any information about what the plant hardiness zones would be under glacial conditions (assuming similar to historical glaciation)? Obviously they would move south. But what zone, for example, would central NC be? Atlanta? etc.

Ed Zuiderwijk
March 22, 2021 10:08 am

If our descendants lose the technological ability to tackle a really cold climate, then they may rediscover living in caves being scared of bears and learning how to decorate the ceiling.

aaron
March 22, 2021 12:47 pm

Anthropogenic Re-Glaciation

ren
March 22, 2021 12:48 pm

Cool fronts from the south along with La Niña bring heavy downpours to eastern Australia.
https://www.accuweather.com/pl/au/sydney/22889/weather-radar/22889

ren
Reply to  ren
March 22, 2021 1:17 pm

It is very bad and it will get worse.

ren
Reply to  ren
March 22, 2021 1:29 pm

The animation below shows a cold cyclone front from the south blocking the low over eastern Australia.
http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/mtpw2/product.php?color_type=tpw_nrl_colors&prod=ausf&timespan=24hrs&anim=html5

Enginer01
March 22, 2021 6:37 pm

The date has been set and commercialization has begun (background for producing saleable products) based on Andrea Rossi’s latest “Cold Fusion” replacement. Not to argue the point, but his further technologies should lead to thousand mile (without recharge) EVs, and plenty of almost free, fossil fuel-less heat during the coming Grand Solar minimum.

https://e-catworld.com/2021/03/20/e-cat-presentation-announced-for-november-30th-2021-in-sweden/

DeNihilist
March 23, 2021 5:31 am

I have searched without success for an article that appeared about 10-15 years ago from an older scientist who claimed that rising CO2 led to the ice ages.

In a thumbnail, his theory was that more atmospheric moisture from the rising temps led to more snow which took longer to melt which led to lower surface temps which led to ice ages.

If anyone can point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated.

Mark - Helsinki
March 24, 2021 6:39 am

Looking out my window right now, I’m in Helsinki, south as south gets here more or less. Snow is not going anywhere right now anyway and we’re at the end of March

The only melting is caused by direct sunlight and it refreezes when the sun goes away making it like glass, treacherous as heck, wear those spikes 🙂

Mark - Helsinki
March 24, 2021 6:45 am

You have to be able to predict the weather that far ahead. Lets face it, meteorology just isn’t doing better than a guess when talking months ahead.

The snow will melt in summer UNLESS, there is constant and consistent cloud cover AND a lack of warm air coming here from the East.

I think the story is bollox to be honest, I’ve seen snow here well into April in the past.

Right now, we have low dense cloud cover and no sun, and in march, the sun is the only thing melting dense snow pack.

The snow this winter froze, as in hard, as in, you didn’t want to fall face first into it, lest you have skin removed. It needs to warm up more than 32f to melt that amount of frozen packed snow and ice

Ice clods up more northerly may persist into early June, though they’ll blame that on climate change when it’s not entirely unusual

Last edited 29 days ago by Mark - Helsinki
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