A few days ago, the Washington Post ran a story that ranks as one of their worst-ever in terms of climate change alarmism. Titled “How climate change is complicating a Thanksgiving staple” it tells the tale of woe about disappearing cranberry sauce due to “climate change” citing “Heatwave, drought, lack of winter ice are taking a toll on a quintessential Massachusetts crop.” in the sub-headline.
The story goes on to give a report on the “feelings” of Massachusetts cranberry farmers who believe that climate change is making their job harder. What’s bad about the story is that it is completely untrue, and objective real-world data smacks it down.
Heartland Institute Vice President Jim Lakely talks with Senior Fellow Anthony Watts about yet another round of annual attempts by the “mainstream media” to make us feel guilty about enjoying the holidays because we are supposedly damaging the climate.
Read Anthony Watts’ story about this at Heartland’s Climate Realism website below.
https://climaterealism.com/2020/11/fu…
Global Warming Perspective Exercise
Should you know anyone who buys into the global warming panic, here’s an exercise you can have them do. You’ll need an online computer, one sheet of paper, a one foot/30 cm ruler with mm markings, and a pencil.
First, take the sheet of paper and have them draw a line on it to represent the surface of the earth along the 49th parallel across North America; a scale of 1 mm = 20 km works well, just gets it on the paper. Find a way on computer for them to determine how long the line should be, say the distance from Victoria to Halifax.
Next go to the ventusky.com site; it will open with the moving lines showing wind patterns at 2m above surface, with temperature being the background colour. Move/expand/contract so that all of North America is on the screen, that’s where I live. You’ll see a colour scale on the right side of the screen indicating temperature.
Using the menu on the left side, move up to 9000m above surface. They’ll see that the air temperature background colour all goes white for anywhere north of the Mexican border, meaning that all the air 9 km above surface is at or below -40C.
Now–have them plot that 9-km-up line above the surface one they just drew on the paper, with no vertical scale exaggeration; true scale. At or above that second line–all of the atmosphere right now is at -40 or below anywhere north of the Mexican border.
The likely thing that will happen is that they can’t draw that 9km-above-surface line because the original surface line is too thick–unless you gave them a really sharp 4H pencil (might have to start over using a good sharp 4H at this point). If they used HB–no chance; the second line is less than half a mm above the first line at the scale of 1mm = 20 km. You can also make the point as an aside that the entire Rocky Mountains–show the appropriate distance in from the left end–is hidden within that first line, you can’t see 4 km high mountains at that scale.
The point to make is to have them realize that all the hype about ‘temperature extremes’ is underneath–if they can see it–that second line they drew, all of it. All the surface temperature readings ever taken, all the Greenland, Arctic and Antarctic ice; all the Penguins, Polar Bears, Bristlecone Pines and Gretas—are all trying to survive on the surface when all the air above that second line is at and below -40. If climate scientists are right, and they better hope they are, the survival of everything depends on something keeping a bit of heat underneath that second line. Maybe CO2, if it helps, is not bad. Maybe more is better—it sure seems to have been in the Jurassic from how big the ancestors of the bears and penguins grew.
You can drag the cursor around in the white; it will give a temperature for any particular position at 9 km altitude. Right now I can find -60 in places over Canada and Russia.
If they can think–leave them to their own conclusions. If they can’t—well, there was no point in even starting, was there.
Or you can always get photos of snow in your yard, early, middle and into the next spring, and keep some handmade snowballs in the freezer to toss to them at the end of winter.
Or you can look at the Arctic sea ice data and the temperature data from Alaska, Siberia and Svalbard.
and see clearly observable warming across the Arctic.
Wow, but its the only place this WEATHER EVENT is taking place
UAH says very different than the HIGHLY urban affected, sparse and fabricated surface data.
Show NO WARMING this century apart from the 2015 El Nino/Big Blob, which has almost subsided.
But you knew all that, didn’t you griff.
You are just trolling mindlessly for attention… a desperate plea to fill your empty life.
Arctic Sea ice science shows that the current level of Arctic sea ice is well above the normal for the last 10,000 years, only a small amount down from the extreme anomalous highs of the LIA and 1970s.
You are a classic CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER, griff.
…. as well as being a sad-sack ignorant little fool.
Did you know that because of that SLIGHT drop from the extreme levels of the 1970s,
…. Arctic sea life is coming back to the Arctic..
Or DON’T YOU CARE about anything except your little ignorant rants.
Not only is the land surface GREENING, but the seas are also springing BACK to life after being TOO COLD and frozen over for much of the last 500 or so years (coldest period of the Holocene)
The drop in sea ice slightly toward the pre-LIA levels has opened up the food supply for the nearly extinct Bowhead Whale, and they are returning to the waters around Svalbard.
https://partner.sciencenorway.no/arctic-ocean-forskningno-fram-centre/the-ice-retreats–whale-food-returns/1401824
The Blue Mussel is also making a return, having been absent for a few thousand years, apart from a brief stint during the MWP.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0959683617715701?journalCode=hola
Many other species of whale are also returning now that the sea ice extent has dropped from the extreme highs of the LIA. Whales cannot swim on ice. !
https://blog.poseidonexpeditions.com/whales-of-svalbard/
Great thing is, that because of fossil fuels and plastics, they will no longer be hunted for whale blubber for lamps and for whale bone.
Don’t HATE Arctic sea life griff.. .. it will destroy that little pee size soul of yours.
Fred, Unfortunately Griff is not “…just trolling mindlessly for attention…” Soros employs these trolls like Griff, through Media Matters, to sit on appointed comment boards to spread disinformation. They get paid by the comment. Its incentive based Piece Work.
No dear. at the moment the arctic is cooling
griff, how do you explain the tree stumps etc that appear after a glacier has receded. Does that not give proof to the idea that what we see today is not new or unusual?
https://www.icelandreview.com/news/3000-year-old-trees-excavated-under-glacier/
So temperatures are supposed to be static over time in the arctic? How about the Antarctic? Asking for a friend. Please explain why temps are supposed to be static over time in the arctic. Thanks.
If you can’t win the argument using facts and logic, try fear-mongering.
I have said it before and I will continue to say it until you people realize you cannot win this argument with facts and logic. People do not buy on facts and logic. Especially when the facts and logic go over their heads. The climate change zealots have been successful in presenting some very simple not totally true facts and then incorporating those semi-facts into simple examples that everyday people can relate to.
Statement: CO2 traps heat like a blanket.
Most people have experience and know that adding a blanket makes you warming and adding too many blankets makes you uncomfortably warm or even hot. It is easy for them to make the connection that the statement is true. No formal training needed. Trying to explain that away with scientific rebuttals falls on deaf ears because most people cannot comprehend those scientific rebuttals and it is easier to believe what they think they know.
Next, you take the “true fact” and extend it to emotionally bad outcomes. “The polar bears are going to die”, “The beloved ice caps are melting”, “Our grandchildren will never know what snow is” and on and on. So you have two out of the three circumstances to win them over.
The final piece is to get them to believe there is something in it for them. This is where the zealots have failed so far. As discussed on the other thread, when it finally comes down to people pulling the trigger on personal action, they weigh the pros and cons of making inconvenient life changes and forking over their hard earned money. Most take the attitude, let some other people do it.
So in order to combat this whole climate change fiasco, we need to change the narrative to convincing people that warmer is actually better. There are many ways to do this, too many to discuss in this post, but I hope you can understand where we need to go. We can let them accept that CO2 does warm the planet but then concentrate on the idea that this is thin sheet warming not heavy blanket warming and nothing drastic is going to happen. Focus on the idea that the small warming is good. When they finally grasp that, they will realize that they will not have to change their lives or spend their hard earned money and the 3 segments of a successful sale will be complete. Once they have totally bought in, then you can reinforce their decision with facts and science because they will want to understand and be self righteous knowing they did make the correct decision. How many times have you heard the words “excellent choice” or ‘great decision” from a sales person or waiter? It works to prevent buyers remorse. After that, it will be very hard for the climate change zealots to undo their minds.
“Tom in Florida November 25, 2020 at 2:04 pm
Statement: CO2 traps heat like a blanket.”
The fact that CO2 does not do that, stated in perpetuity, proves the whole hypothesis false.
You do not understand my point. It is one of the “facts” that the climate change zealots tell people who can only relate it to themselves sleeping under a blanket. Stating that it is not true does not convince the common person and that is why it is useless to keep repeating it. You must address the issue with something that a common person can relate to.
Take a hint from a Florida post card. Does it contain information about w/m2, the orbit of the Earth, solar insolation or other scientific facts? No, it shows warm, sunny weather with beautiful blue waters. People lounging around in sunglasses wearing Aloha shirts, shorts and flip flops. It shows them having a wonderful time. It paints a picture that appeals to many people who then desire to do the same. That is my point, we need to starting painting the picture of the good of warming so that the common person can easily understand why it is good.
Tim you seem to say that we should let people believe a lie. I fear once they accept that lie it is easier to accept others and you not telling them it is a lie leaves you with no where to go. You end up with folks like griff.
Yes: you could for example say people are trying to turn your Thanksgiving into a 1930s soup kitchen line, take away your car , force you into this and that through ‘socialism’.
It seems to me most of the political argument of the US right and much of climate Skepticism is based around fear mongering?
Are you SCARED of the highly beneficial drop in Arctic sea ice , griff.
Are you SCARED of the tiny natural sea level rise, griff.
Are you SCARED of the highly beneficial warming out of the COLDEST period in 10,000 years.
Every post you make is one of desperation and terror at purely natural occurrences.
Seems your whole life is one of FEAR and PANIC, based purely on your own little fantasies.
Seem your whole life and your cult AGW religion is based solely on ignorance and fear mongering.
The left part of that video image preview has an error. It says “What they want you to think the holidays will be like”. It should correctly say “What they really want the holidays to be like for you, not for them”.
Yea it’s amusing how many times our rulers feel themselves exempt from their own rules isn’t it. $800 a plate meal on someone else’s tab? An all expenses paid for trip to Mauii? Screw the mask & distancing.
Every day this week a story something like this has been shown up.
https://t.co/GxloC9jezU?amp=1
“About 30 minutes before the flight, Hancock’s account tweeted out to “avoid travel, if you can” in order to slow the spread of COVID-19.”
After warnings to avoid travel, Denver Mayor Hancock flies to visit family for Thanksgiving
Denver Mayor Michael has told people to avoid travel in order to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus, which is at record levels in the city.
9news.com
The Mayor flew out to be with family for Thanksgiving.
He has dominion silly, he will be mayor of Denver till he dies or someone pays dominion more or is more in antifa’s pocket.
Wade,
Close. The left image is for us (the great unwashed masses), and the right is for them (the elite in the mansion on the hill).
And don’t let the covid grinches steal it either. There is a difference between living and existing. I choose to live and accept all responsibility for that decision.
You probably didn’t see it on the news but when governor NewScum made a bunch of rules with a 10 PM curfew there were about a thousand block parties quickly and illegally organised.
Take care everyone and happy holidays.
I propose we drop the “term” “Climate Change”. Climate changes – that what it does for a living. To include the word “Change” to the mix is redundant. All we need to say is Climate; that it changes is understood.
So: Climate!
Thanks to Anthony and the GREAT Moderators !
I have been trying to explain for a decade that the term “climate change” is a logical fallacy known as ‘appeal to ambiguity’ or equivocation. As you say, change is the default condition of climate. Saying “climate change” is a tautology intended to coerce people into exaggerating the weather. Most people have no awareness of climate.
Rory, I do now believe I have seen a past post of yours saying as much about climate. Agree and agreed. Cheers, and Happy Thanksgiving good sir.
You’re obviously a denier of weather unworthy to be classified as climate. That said, climate cooling… warming… change, undeniable, unfalsifiable.
In other news: granny got denied over the holidays, by the Green Grinch who forced excess deaths.
Mebbe Jeff Bezos should look north of where he used to live, look into the Vancouver BC area.
There was a bumper crop just four years ago: https://www.richmond-news.com/business/big-cranberry-crop-expected-1.2364939.
And read Wikipedia, which says the big US production of cranberries is in Wisconsin, not Mass.
And read of fur traders being sold Pemican when travelling across Canada – much of it flavoured with cranberries.
Cranberries grow over a wide range. It is perhaps possible that a slowly warming climate will move the southern limit of viability northward, but:
– farmers are industrious, they can work on developing new varieties (the reverse of what has been done with corn to make it feasible as an animal feed crop in southern Alberta).
– farmers develop techniques, such as the now common flooding of fields in winter to protect cranberry plants against cold temperature. (Flooding is also used to harvest the berries.)
– and ensure pollination of plants.
However, some farmers whine. For example, in one of the panics over honey bees in ON and PQ, it was only some beekeepers who had problems, the rest were smart enough to give bees more food during longer or colder than normal winters. (http://www.nationalpost.com has reported on that.)
There in a problem of declining harvest in Richmond, but farmers are suspicious of soil not climate. https://www.richmond-news.com/news/giving-thanks-for-richmond-s-cranberry-crop-1.2081270 And it sounds as though the plants are old, which may be part of the reason.
Jeff Bezos probably ate Ocean Spray cranberries from fields near the wet coast, besides BC they are grown in OR and WA. (The company started with OR, WA, and WI growers then moved its HQ to MA.)
An non-cranberry example of industriousness is that Farmers in SW BC are seeking out slight variations in vegetable crops to broaden growing season to get better prices (earlier crop maturity results in less competition thus higher prices).
And new crops can be introduced, such as Canola (modified ‘rape’ seed). I wonder about growing cranberries in Manitoba beside the huge lakes.
As for precipitation, I doubt anyone has a clue about the future. Warmer certainly has not hurt the Amazon jungle in recent millennia. (In the Amazon is an example of creativity and industriousness – many centuries ago some tribal people scooped soil up to make raised beds for growing food, leaving channels fish could thrive in, fish remains could be used as fertilizer.)
Jeff Bezos runs a biased newspaper.
Agreed that a cranberry shortage is highly unlikely any time in the future; at least due to anything done by Nature. (One thing that Harris is likely to revive through the back door is the Waters of the US dictatorship – which could easily kill such a water dependent crop.)
Not that I care about cranberries, those are one thing that never appears on our holiday tables – nobody in my family likes them in any form whatsoever. What does concern me is maple syrup; it is much harder to move that crop to a different place as the climate cools.
Due to ClimateChange, Haggis will be sticking around. It will not go away, in fact there will be more and more of it. That, and brussels sprouts, which there will be a glut of. Laws will be passed, requiring you to buy a certain amount of Haggis and Brussels sprouts. People will begin to dread meal times, and no, going to McDonald’s or whatever won’t help, because it will be the same thing there.
So, unless you want that (which would make you weird), we all need to cut down on Carbon, which causes Climate Change. And that’s the truthhhhhhh!
PS, the best cranberry sauce is the homemade kind, not the stuff from a can. My wife makes it, usually every year, but not this year. We’re not even having turkey, but rather, roast chicken. Stupid Covid.
Nice podcast.
It is saddening to see “EF M”‘s comments on YT, a complete troll making Griff look smart and intelligent.
The Michigan cranberries this year are the best ever. They are all dark red (none of those mostly white ones) and cooked up into a beautiful red gel in no time.
Even better if you soak them in rum overnight before cooking them down. And garnish with a bit of orange zest.
Or just wash it down with rum.
One of my best friends owns Northland….he says this has been one of the best years ever
B. C.: https://rove.me/to/vancouver/cranberry-harvest
WA: https://www.washivore.org/cranberries
We didn’t get the memo out here.
***** it tells the tale of woe about disappearing cranberry sauce due to “climate change” citing “Heatwave, drought, lack of winter ice are taking a toll on a quintessential Massachusetts crop” *****
Here’s my proof that that statement regarding a problem with cranberrys in Mass. is bullshit. I live in central Mass. I planted cranberries bushes about a decade ago- both low bush and high bush cranberries. Until this past summer I got only a few berries on each bush. This summer both were loaded with berries. My wife harvested and froze them and now makes sauce from them for our poultry meals. Another plant that did far better this past summer is our elderberry bush which had thousands of elderberries on them. We found that every year- some of the many plant species in our garden to great and others don’t. Every year is different.
It always astonishes me that Climate Deniers cannot understand how Global Heating results in a lot more snow and colder temperatures. It’s entirely obvious and it has surely been explained to you often enough, why can’t you understand it.
Let them eat Green eggs and spam, alone. Groups larger than one, distributed by diversity in space and time, and color, too?, are spreaders. That said, granny got Planned for the holidays.
Hey, Spam is good stuff. Slice it thin and burn it a bit and it tastes just like bacon.
Well I’m not going to let the bastards nor my current condition ruin my Holiday.
Though 2020 has been a dumpster fire for many of us in several ways, we have much to give thanks for. And I would like to thank Anthony and all those who work so hard to keep this site going, and those that provide the great content, and those that comment a Happy Thanksgiving!
The only ones protesting are the Turkeys. (be sure to turn up the sound)
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1331236431541493762
Mention of Dr. Viner’s nomosno article reminds me of WUWT and Bishop Hill’s reaction to Sean Thomas’s piece, which has been disappeared, too:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/19/hump-day-hilarity-big-kahuna-warmy/
OT but interesting. I don’t know about other areas but I’ve been told that in the Hospitals here in Anderson, IN the OB wards are overflowing and babies are popping out everywhere. Result of the first lockdown? Sure looks like it.
I thought climate alarmists stopped having babies, not wanting to enlarge the family carbon footprint, and/or have the child live in a burned-up world.
All those babies you note must be from realist parents.
Take care and Happy Thanksgiving.
Happy Thanksgiving John.
The Turkey is in fridge ready to go. Deviled eggs are made. Fixings for corn pudding and Cheesy mashed potatoes and other stuff are laid out.
The only thing I’m going to miss is the Wild Turkey and Egg Nog I Love to drink this time of year. In fact I haven’t had an adult beverage for over a month. Pretty much drinking only bottled water flavored with cranberry juice, and plenty of it, for weeks now.
Last winter I teamed with another driver and we went up Bangor, Maine to get a load of wreaths bound for two cemeteries in Texas. Up there not far from Bangor is where their made. The usual crop for that area is Blueberries. Fields and fields of the plants, red during the winter months, and processing plants scattered about among them.
The people at Wreaths Across America treated us and all of the hundred or so truckers there at the time very well. Supplying us with food and drink as we waited to be called for our turn to drive to the facility where the wreaths are made and shipped. Very efficient when they loaded us. Gave us mugs and coins for our participation. I got the impression that since logging, forest management, and blueberries were the only industries in the area, those off work appreciated having jobs working for Wreath Across America. They even slept in a building right on site.
We brought the wreaths back to the terminal in Anderson, IN where another team took over and took them to their destinations in Texas.
It never was about climate was it (rhetorical). It’s all about control of people, by controlling the power grid. Simple, and incredibly sad that our elected politicians are selling us down the river.
We ain’t gone yet!
Some believe that the way they can go up the river is to send others down the river.
I think that’s called the reality of “socialism”. (It depends on some taking what others have actually produced.)
Free market, capitalism makes it possible for all willing to work and actually produce to move up the river (though at different rates).
so you applaud Germany, which has record ownership by individuals of the means of power production?
You mean hugely subsidised wind turbines, hey griff.
Giving huge amounts of money to those who already have lots, and taking it from those that don’t.
The elite socialist/marxist agenda, writ large.
Don’t forget, griff, you will ALWAYS be below the bottom rung.
I remember the cranberry-causes-cancer scare back in 1959 in which some herbicide used on cranberries supposedly caused cancer. The press as usual didn’t inquire let alone know how to interpret orders of magnitude. (One would have to eat thousands of pounds of cranberries to equal the dosage on a mouse for which that herbicide caused cancer.)
Somewhere in the curriculum for communication majors, there needs to be a good unit in mathematics covering orders of magnitude — not that it would do any good — and if it did, they would just use that knowledge to confuse the masses.
Let’s all be happy for griff posting here. With a turkey like that, it makes everyday a Thanksgiving .
Happy Thanksgiving to all my American friends.
Thanksgiving is THE great American holiday – adopted by other countries around the world.
In Canada, we hold our Thanksgiving celebration about one month earlier than the USA, because by late November we are freezing and not feeling so thankful anymore.
Concerning the alleged Great Cranberry Crisis, worry not my friends. It is just another global warming alarmist hoax, like the scores of other climate scares that have all failed to materialize over these many decades of The Great Global Warming Fraud.
The ability to predict is the best objective means of assessing scientific competence, and the global warming alarmists have NO predictive track record – they have been 100% wrong about everything and nobody should believe these fraudsters – about anything!
“MacRae’s Maxim”:
“VIRTUALLY EVERY SCARY PREDICTION BY GLOBAL WARMING ALARMISTS IS FALSE.”
The Great Global Warming Fraud is a litmus test for basic intelligence – if you believe is catastrophic human-made global warming (aka “climate change”) hysteria, then you are an unscientific dolt, and no useful knowledge can be imparted to you. This is your unfortunate personal affliction – kindly get help for your very personal turmoil and do not foist your false mania on others, especially schoolchildren. I suggest that you avoid children and small animals – you are seriously deranged and may even be dangerous.
The Great Global Warming Fraud has no place in polite, intellectual company – it is a scary fiction, concocted by wolves to stampede the sheep. It is not real – be comforted by this fact.