Hero of the climate movement Dr. Mann, humbly takes credit for predicting western wildfires on CBS ’60 Minutes”. I knew about this segment well in advance, but couldn’t bring myself to watch.
On the plus side, Mann admits “We’re sorry that we failed.”
The full video and transcript here https://www.cbsnews.com/news/western-wilfires-record-temperatures-california-60-minutes-2020-10-04/
Some excerpts:
At least 31 have died in the largest wildfires in California history. The east is defending itself against twice the usual number of tropical cyclones. And what may be the highest temperature ever recorded on Earth came in August in the United States. It’s a torrid 2020 and it was forecast 32 years ago. In the 1980’s, a NASA scientist named James Hansen discovered that climate change, driven by carbon emissions, was upon us. His graphs, of three decades ago, accurately traced the global rise in temperature to the year 2020. Last week, we had a lot of questions for Hansen. Are these disasters climate change? Do things get worse? Is it too late to do anything? But before we get to the causes, let us show you the effects.
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Michael Mann: People ask, are we dealing with a new normal? And the sobering answer is, that’s the best-case scenario. A new normal is the best-case scenario ’cause that sorta means, well, we’ve got a new situation and we just have to learn how to deal with it. But it’s much worse than that. So, there are surprises in store and we’re seeing some of those surprises play out now.
Michael Mann is a geophysicist whose work on past climate showed today’s rate of warming began with the Industrial Revolution. Mann is a lightning rod for deniers, but his research has been verified again and again. Mann is director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State and a member of the National Academy of Sciences.
Scott Pelley: But there’ve always been fires in the west. There’ve always been hurricanes in the east. How do we know that climate change is involved in this?
Michael Mann: Well, there are a number of independent sort of sources of information, lines of evidence that tell us that this isn’t natural, that this is human-caused. Let’s look at the big picture, the warming of the planet a little less than 2 degrees Fahrenheit warming of the planet since pre-industrial time. Now, people ask, well, couldn’t that happen naturally? Well, it turns out that if you look at the factors that are driving natural changes right now — small but measurable fluctuations in the brightness of the sun, Volcanic eruptions — they tell us that earth should’ve cooled slightly over the past half-century.
Here’s what he means. In that yellow line at bottom, NASA has measured a steady decline in heat from the sun since the 1950’s. But the red line, the temperature of the Earth, has only increased.
Michael Mann: We can only explain that warming when we include the human factor of increased greenhouse gas concentrations; in particular, carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels.
Scott Pelley: Well, the president says about climate change, science doesn’t know.
Michael Mann: The president doesn’t know. And he should know better. He should know that the world’s leading scientific organizations, our own U.S. National Academy of Sciences, and national academies of every major industrial nation, every scientific society in the United States that’s weighed in on the matter. This is a scientific consensus. There’s about as much scientific consensus about human-caused climate change as there is about gravity.
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Scott Pelley: If we don’t start to reduce the CO2 in the atmosphere, 50 years from now, someone doing research on this time might look at this interview and I wonder what you would like to say to them.
Michael Mann: That– that’s a tough question. I would say we did everything we could and we’re sorry. We’re sorry that we failed. But I don’t think that’s our future. I don’t want that to be our future. That’s a possible future. We have to recognize that. The worst visions that Hollywood has given us of dystopian futures are real possible futures if we don’t act on this problem; the greatest crisis that we face as a civilization.
“Unfathomable’ California wildfires shatter new record after burning through more than 4 million acres this year – more than double the previous high in 2018 ”
I read today…
This level of fire is far, far beyond the ordinary; far, far beyond the last few hundred years. The cause is obviously a warmer, drier set of weather conditions: climate change.
Nope
Jim Steele put up a post a few weeks back that decimated every point you just made
But a troll has to troll
You are just like Mickey Mann
Trolling continuously
A disease
More likely, it’s a profession.
Griff: Like the Guardian, wrong about everything, all the time. Well done!
https://www.sierraforestlegacy.org/Resources/Conservation/FireForestEcology/FireScienceResearch/FireHistory/FireHistory-Stephens07.pdf
Griff , where exactly did you read that? Not suggesting that you did not see the report ,
but I am interested to know the source and I suspect others would likewise.
“Academics believe that between 4.4 million and 11.8 million acres burned each year in prehistoric California.”
Griff- here’s a very informative article which you could learn a lot from. It isn’t the climate that has changed, it is forest management, and population growth in California.
https://www.propublica.org/article/they-know-how-to-prevent-megafires-why-wont-anybody-listen
griff never replies to any substantiative argument, mainly because he’s “hit and run”, just like Mosher.
But he does read the comments before he slinks away.
Oh, and more people = more arsonists.
You know, I’m not sure who should be more insulted by that comparison, griff or Mosh. There was a time, long past, that I think Mosh might possibly have felt shame at the comparison being so apt, griff on the other hand has always been shameless (that’s not a compliment).
I read today…
Well, if you’d stop reading the likes of the Guardian, perhaps you won’t read (and believe) so much fake news.
Didn’t watch the show, gave up on “60 Minutes” long ago, but it was funny to see this ridiculous statement:
Dr. Mann’s “hockey stick” starts in 1950, the year that the IPCC and almost everybody used to agree was the beginning of human influence on climate.
Somehow by using the magic propaganda phrase “beginning of the industrial revolution” instead of the more accurate “end of the Little Ice Age” they can blame all the warming since 1750 on today’s SUVs. A magic trick of epic proportions.
Just now reading Steyn’s Disgrace to the Profession.
How can anyone still take this clown seriously
Organisations are not science and do not carry out the scientific method. They are by nature political.
Being an academic also does not make one a scientist..
Well, Mann, maybe that phony hockey puck graph of yours contributed to your failure? Maybe you ought to ponder that, huh? Scott Pelley….one of the besr PR men around….but Scott, you forgot to ask what Mann’s favorite color is?
“Michael Mann: People ask, are we dealing with a new normal?”
I’m so tired of this line. I’ve lived in California for my entire 57 years, and in the last dozen years or so, every time something unusual happens, the alarmists call it “a new normal.” When it rained heavily two years ago, they said that would be the new normal. When it is dry and we have lots of fires, that gets called the new normal. When we have more earthquakes than usual, that becomes the new normal. The only thing about California’a climate that is normal is that it is unpredictable.
LiarMann doesn’t have a humble bone in his body.
Scott Pelley: If we don’t start to reduce the CO2 in the atmosphere, 50 years from now, someone doing research on this time might look at this interview and I wonder what you would like to say to them.
People in their 20’s now , 50 years from now will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about, since they will be dealing with the same weather then as we do now. They can then tell their grandchildren about Mann’s broken hockey stick.
I would be happy if he paid my father what the judge determined he owes. It’s a lot.
David, I think Mann might be waiting for a change of government, whereupon his ‘expenses’ claims can be processed and paid by a ‘friendly’ regime.
(Part of me would be ok with this, if only to get your Dad paid. One way or t’other, Mann and ‘The Team’ always want Mr. & Mrs. Taxpayer to foot their ‘expenses’ )
Do you have a link to that David, please. I didn’t see that amount posted on here.
According to an article at climate depot:
“The judge in the Mann-v-Ball case ruled that the defeated Mann must pay Ball’s legal costs, which are in excess of US$700.000. “
More than any other person I owe my skepticism to Michael Mann. When he combined his paleo record of temperature with the instrumental record in his hockey stick chart, it showed that these really loud people did not know what they were talking about and furthermore they were dishonest. If he had used only the paleo record his chart would have shown a temperature decrease after 1950. This temperature decrease would either imply that the paleo record is suspect or that the paleo record is only showing summer temperatures which were decreasing at the time of the hockey stick. Either way it would have advanced science. Instead he combined two different temperature records to make a political point and to advance his career.
There there was that one tree out of however many sampled which had a ring growth pattern which fit their desired result, but only up to 1960. So that line on the chart is just made to appear to be buried behind the other lines after 1960, but isn’t actually there at all past 1960.
That was “Mike’s Nature trick”, as done for a paper submitted to the journal “Nature”.
I watched long enough to see the temperature plot that had predicted it all so accurately.
It had no ‘pause’
When does the six-part CBS documentary air on the ill effects of agenda science and journalism coming from the Climate Crusades? Or are they aiming for another one of those personalized tours of the White House from President Biden like one Bill Clinton gave Dan Rather as reward for special bias in reporting?
Mann’s the name. Michael Mann. Licence to shill.
“Licence to shill.”
I like it! 🙂
Defund Penn State.
People fifty years in the future will be calling Michael Mann a double dumb ass.
I’m impressed that anyone could listen to Mann for long enough to be able to comment on what he blabbered. I lasted about 90 seconds before I changed the channel.
Mann and Hansen would have been laughed off the WUWT stage had they been brave enough to step on the stage in the first place.
They have been scaremongering for decades and yet here we are with the same type of weather we had all those decades ago. They claim to see changes, but that’s all in their minds, not in the statistics.
They are selling a false narrative, but Mother Nature is not cooperating with them so they make things up.
If noting else, from the photo, he looks thinner.