Researchers believe other mountaintop glaciers will follow quickly

Ohio State University
COLUMBUS, Ohio — The last remaining tropical glaciers between the Himalayas and the Andes will disappear in the next decade – and possibly sooner – due to climate change, a new study has found.
The glaciers in Papua, Indonesia, are “the canaries in the coal mine” for other mountaintop glaciers around the world, said Lonnie Thompson, one of the senior authors of the study published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
“These will be the first to disappear; the others will certainly follow,” said Thompson, distinguished university professor in the School of Earth Sciences and senior research scientist at the Byrd Polar and Climate Research Center at The Ohio State University.
The glaciers, atop a mountain near Puncak Jaya, on the western half of the island of New Guinea, have been melting for years, Thompson said. But that melt increased rapidly due in part to a strong 2015-2016 El Niño, a phenomenon that causes tropical ocean water and atmospheric temperatures to get warmer. El Niños are natural phenomena, but their effects have been amplified by global warming.
The study suggests that the glacier will disappear in the next 10 years, most likely during the next strong El Niño.
Thompson said it is likely that other tropical glaciers, such as those on Kilimanjaro in Tanzania and Quelccaya in Peru, will follow.
“I think the Papua, Indonesia, glaciers are the indicator of what’s going to happen around the world,” Thompson said.
Thompson and his team have been monitoring the glacier since 2010, when they drilled ice cores to determine the composition and temperature of the atmosphere around the glacier throughout history. Even then, the glacier was shrinking. That melt started at least 150 years ago, Thompson said, but has quickened in the last decade. The researchers found signs of melting at both the top of the glacier and at the bottom.
During the 2010 drilling expedition, the team installed a string of PVC pipe sections, connected by a rope, into the ice. Their idea was to measure how much ice had been lost by periodically measuring the rope sections left uncovered as the ice melted.
When the stake was measured in November 2015, about five meters of rope had been uncovered, meaning that the glacier surface was melting at a rate of about one meter per year. A team went back in May 2016, and saw that an additional approximately 4.26 meters of rope had been uncovered – a rapid increase in melting over just six months.
The team also measured the extent of the glacier’s melt by measuring its surface area, which shrank by about 75 percent from 2010 to 2018. The ice field had shrunk so much that by 2016 it had split into two smaller glaciers. Then, in August 2019, a mountain climber scaling the peak took a photo of the glacier, showing its near disappearance.
“The glacier’s melt rate is exponentially increasing,” Thompson said. “It’s similar to visiting a terminal cancer patient, and documenting the change in their body, but not being able to do anything about it.”
Globally, glacier melt is a major contributor to sea level rise, which, along with warming ocean waters, can lead to more frequent and more intense storms.
Thompson said the mountaintop glaciers around the world contribute between a third and a half of the annual sea level rise in the Earth’s oceans.
“They are much more vulnerable to the rising temperatures because they’re small and they’re warmer – they’re closer to the melting threshold,” he said. “Ice is just a threshold system. It is perfectly happy at freezing temperatures or below, but everything changes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit.
Climate change has increased the temperature of the atmosphere, which means the air around the glacier is warmer. But it has also changed the altitude at which rain turns to snow. That means that where snow once fell on top of the glacier, helping rebuild its ice year-by-year, rain is now falling. That rainfall is the kiss of death for a glacier.
Water absorbs more energy – more heat – from the sun than snow does, so increasing the water on top of the glacier warms the glacier even more, accelerating the melting of the remaining ice.
“If you want to kill a glacier, just put water on it,” Thompson said. “The water basically becomes like a hot water drill. It goes right through the ice to the bedrock. So, when water starts to accumulate on top of the glacier, the glacier starts to melt much faster than current models predict as the models are driven by temperature changes but don’t account for the effect of water accumulating on the glacier surface.”
Once water starts streaming through crevasses in the glacier to the bedrock, it also begins to lubricate the glacier along its bottom. This eventually creates a warm pool beneath the glacier, which may cause the glacier to slide, ever-so-slowly, down the mountain to lower elevations where temperatures are warmer.
Such was the case with this glacier, the researchers learned when they first drilled in 2010. The cores they brought to the surface showed meltwater at the base of the glacier as well as at the top.
That melt can affect the information scientists are able to learn from the cores, which normally provide year-by-year data records of the climate around the glacier. As the glacier melts, those year-by-year records can become blurred. In this case, however, the cores still showed evidence of El Niño events throughout the ice cores’ history. Because so much of the glacier has melted, the cores hold data for only the last 50 years, despite the fact that these glaciers have likely occupied these mountaintops for the last 5,000 or so years.
The glacier’s disappearance is a cultural loss, too, Thompson said: The indigenous people who live around the mountain worship it.
“The ridges and the valleys are the arms and legs of their god, and the glacier is the head,” he said.
When the team drilled in 2010, some of the elders of the indigenous communities protested: “In their words, they thought we were ‘drilling into the skull of their god to steal the god’s memories,'” Thompson said. “I told them that was exactly what we were doing. We needed to preserve those memories because the glacier was going to melt.”
That started a debate throughout the indigenous community, weighing whether the team should be allowed to continue its research mission to learn the history contained within the ice, or was it more important that the glacier remain undisturbed? Thompson said the elders of the community were strongly in favor of kicking the research team out while the younger people, he said, wanted the mission to continue. In this case, the younger people won.
“It was the young people who were saying, ‘Have you not seen what’s happening?'” Thompson said.
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Other Ohio State researchers on this study are Ellen Mosley-Thompson, Mary E. Davis, Ping-Nan Lin, Julien P. Nicolas, John F. Bolzan, Paolo Gabrielli, Victor Zagorodnov, and Bryan G. Mark. This work was funded in part by the National Science Foundation.
Last remaining glaciers in the Pacific will soon melt away
On a related note, the Sun is expected to rise, again tomorrow!
Researchers believe other mountaintop glaciers will follow quickly
Update! The Sun is expected to set, not long after it rises.
Seriously though, this irrational navel gazing reminds me of the “ban dihydrogen monoxide” meme.
Does drilling holes in a glacier accelerate the melting?
So the melt rate increases naturally – I’d expect that. And it started 150 years ago. Then by golly they cannot say it is getting worse because of climate change. It would have got worse anyway. Their conclusion is invalid.
This was my favorite part,
Thompson said the mountaintop glaciers around the world contribute between a third and a half of the annual sea level rise in the Earth’s oceans.
If we add up the amount of CAGW sea level rise that each alarmist attributes to their particular area of study, then we are now up to 265% of current observed rise.
It could be like the missing heat! Send Jim out to look for it.
Just like the glaciers in Glacier National Park (about 3000 years old). They are not as old as the end of the last ice age. In other words, just like the Ice Man that melted out of the swiss alps, it used to be warmer than it is now. Thus our recent warming out of the little ice age still has not brought us to as warm as most of the Holocene has been.
Basically, this whole glacier melting argument is a straw man. All this really shows is that we are well within natural variation.
Yes, most of alpine glaciers disappeared during the Holocene thermal maximum about 8K years ago and have been rebounding owing to the long term cooling trend that has occurred since, although the rebound is definitely not monotonic, nor is a change to any climate related metric.
This illustrates the biggest flaw in the alarmist logic which is the presumption that whatever trend occurred during the last few years will continue in the same direction forever.
Why does Thompson attribute the melting to an El Nino year? During El Nino, water in the eastern Pacific is warmer than that in the western Pacific, leading to increased precipitation along the west coast of North and South America, and decreased precipitation (monsoons) in eastern Asia. Is the melting due to decreased snowfall on the top of the glacier during an El Nino year, or increased sunshine during the monsoon season?
“Thompson said the mountaintop glaciers around the world contribute between a third and a half of the annual sea level rise in the Earth’s oceans.”
This statement definitely sounds like a stretch. The ice caps over Antarctica and Greenland have much higher surface area than “mountaintop glaciers” in temperate or tropical areas, and are also much thicker, so that losing a meter of thickness in Greenland would have more consequence on sea level rise than losing an entire glacier in New Guinea.
Mountaintop glaciers in tropical areas have very small surface areas, due to the limited area over which surface temperatures are below freezing, and receive more snowfall than can melt under the tropical sun, with high sun angles year-round.
Rather than worrying about the few small glaciers on tropical mountains, anyone worried about sea level rise should be looking at Antarctica and Greenland first, then glaciers in the Himalayas, northern Rockies, Scandinavia, and the Alps. But such larger glaciers are less likely to melt, since they are exposed to low sun angles and high snowfall for several months out of the year.
“Thompson said the mountaintop glaciers around the world contribute between a third and a half of the annual sea level rise in the Earth’s oceans.”
So when those glaciers run out of ice next August or so, Sea Level Rise will be cut by 30-50%? That’s really good news, right?
Sea level rise fear eliminated!
Professor Thompson says a third to half of sea level rise will stop very soon!
Good catch!
Yes, when the glaciers are gone, the sea level rise “acceleration” should abate a bit, no?
Should we mourn?
NO!
We should celebrate!
It indicate we are still leaving the LIA and all the hardship that brought.
3 cheers for melting glaciers…
Hip, hip …
Yea.
@Charles – Please correct to “THE Ohio State University.” Don’t want WUWT to get hassled for dilution of their pending trademark on “THE”!
Well, I suppose we can easily argue the only reason the glacier was ever there was due to previous climate change. So, the real question is Should it be there or was it always meant to be temporary?
That’ll be the same Lonnie hoard-your-raw-data-for-decades-and-refuse-access-to-other-scientists Thompson that Steve McIntyre has often written about then?
GOOD! It’s to be expected when naturally coming out of an Ice Age.
Only politicians are deniers.
“Last remaining glaciers in the Pacific will soon melt away”
Celebrate!
It’s such good news!
It means we are still leaving the LIA.
Hurray!
Have they given up on the Himalayan glaciers that have been going going going gone for decades? And this kind of child play is sold as science? One has to wonder whether such a planet should be saved.
https://tambonthongchai.com/2010/07/22/himalayan-glaciers-melting-again/
I can only imagine the circle-running cacophony of cackling that would be going on if such a person as Thompson were alive say 14,000 years ago and the several thousand feet of ice covering where he presently resides started melting to provide the space and food for his present existence.
Please note that I use the term with forethought–
“noun, plural ca·coph·o·nies.
harsh discordance of sound; dissonance: a cacophony of hoots, cackles, and wails.
a discordant and meaningless mixture of sounds”
Punjak Jaya glaciers from wikipedia…
The glacier on Puncak Trikora in the Maoke Mountains disappeared completely some time between 1939 and 1962. Since the 1970s, evidence from satellite imagery indicates the Puncak Jaya glaciers have been retreating rapidly. The Meren Glacier melted away sometime between 1994 and 2000.
Probably due to warming since the end of the Little Ice Age.
Everything flows and nothing abides [Heraclitus 500BC approx]
Could it be more scare mongering in the region because oil/gas exploration is growing?
As glaciers thin and shrink, more sunlight hits more rock, warming the area around the glacier.
That melting that started 150 years ago has accelerated recently is hardly surprising and it has nothing to do with CO2.
I am mightily relieved to learn that they have discovered a canary in the coal mine.
As we no longer get hype over dying polar bears due to shrinking sea ice, along with sinking Tuvalu, I had assumed that there had been one of those feared extinction events that had wiped out the species entirely🤡
Why are climate alarmists panicking? Earth’s climate has been through this many times before.
How do climate alarmists explain the changes in climate regarding glacial and interglacial periods? It’s all natural, folks… and there’s absolutely nothing humans can do about it.
Correct, and will continue to natural for millions of years.
“Why are climate alarmists panicking?”
1) if they are politicians, they know they have to scare enough people in any particular election cycle
2) if they are media, they know they have to scare enough people to click on their clickbait
3) if they are activists, they know they have to scare enough people get funding in a crowded market
4) if they are kids, they are uneducated
Actually, #4 can also refer to #s 1 through 3 as well.
Basically, they don’t have any math, reading comprehension or deductive skills.
This is what a few decades of grade inflation for the “gold star” kids gets you: they can never be told they are wrong because that would “hold them back”.
From what, I’m never sure, but “reality” is a good bet.
Those glaciers are only 5,000 years old in the first place, and have been quickly disappearing for over a thousand years. The ice field was much more extensive than it is now and when discovered, was already a mere shadow of what it once was.
Interesting article. Focusing on climate change could be similar to the natives worshiping a glacier. A wider focus might help.
The believers of climate have long foretold the retreat of glaciers form during the Little Ice would melt in the next 50 years.
The ancient Thompson is now betting it will happen in next decade- I guess, it’s just in time for the end of the world due to the climate emergency which is predicted to happen in next 11 years
They never talk about the largest tidewater glacier in north America – Hubbard glacier – I wonder why ???
And that goes for Taku Glacier too !
JPP
“exponentially increasing”
Does he even know what’s an exponential?