Early snow cover record set for USA – a foot of snow in 25 states!

Snow cover over Lower 48 most extensive on record for early December (going back to 2003). At least a foot of snow has fallen in 25 different states over last few days. And snow has fallen as far south as Southern California, Tennessee, and Northern Georgia.

Snow covered the ground on nearly half of the real estate in the Lower 48 — 46.2 percent of land area — on Monday morning, the largest area on Dec. 2 since snow cover records from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration began in 2003. Normally, a little more than a quarter of the nation has snow on the ground at this time of year.

– Source: Jason Samenow, Capital Weather Gang

This graphic from NOAA

Source: https://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/index.html?region=National&year=2019&month=12&day=2&units=e

I personally saw the snow in southern California the day after Thanksgiving. This view below is from Interstate 5 crossing “The Grapevine” north of Los Angeles:

Photo by William Watts

From the NWS:

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127 thoughts on “Early snow cover record set for USA – a foot of snow in 25 states!

      • I think Jehill is suggesting that is should be used just like the alarmist claims do even though a little research and facts shows it not to be so.

      • You’re right, Grant, you know what else is missing? The Might be, maybe, could be, probably, woulda, could, shoulda that accompanies every article informing you of the end of the planet somewhere between the next 12 and 4.5 billion years because of man made global warm…aahhh we really meant climate change all along.

    • Yes Jehill,

      but didn’t Greta and Friends establish beyond all doubt that the world has been warming.

      So it has been 16 years since 2003 with 16 years of associated warming.

      See the point here? Did the (ice) Hockey Stick Graph predict this?

      • It’s becoming quite apparent that sending a brainwashed, whining little girl out to sell the globalist global warming hoax in the face of the 20,000 year solar cycle is really foolish. Pretty soon even little Greta will wonder what she is talking about

        • My comment is awaiting some realism in the global warming nonsense scenario.

          (Your FIRST comment requires moderator approval, have approved the other one) SUNMOD

  1. Hmmm…. is that extra snow load due to higher humidity rates in the air?

    Just asking, because I haven’t had an electric shock from a metal doorknob in very long time. Nor have I had the bad colds I used to get in the winter from people breathing on you on the bus and the drier winter air. Worth exploring further, in my view.

    And here’s another question: will that snow load sink into the ground when it melts, or created massive floods and river ice dams that release growlers, come springtime? Just askin’, because Michael Mann says rivers don’t get growlers (chunk ice) because that way he could diss the famous painting of Washington crossing the Delaware River which was full of chunks of ice (growlers).

    Nice report, and thanks for the photos!!!

    • Average humidity for Portland, OR in November was exactly its historical mean for that month, ie 80%, ranging this year from 33 to 100%.

    • Last winter, the PNW suffered Snowmageddon.

      Recent years have been much snowier than the preceding years of snow drought. Could be the PDO flip.

      • Great, I remember the 70s…I was a teenager then.

        Now….I’m not, and I have to actually shovel MORE.

        Not a good combo.

        • Appreciation for snow is inversely proportional to age.

          Except that it’s whence the West gets its water.

          I well remember the PDO flip year of 1977. Strange WX.

          Also the remarkably cold late December of 1968, when I turned 18. The WA State low record was set then, and it got down to 35 below in my Eastern OR town.

          • Little young to remember the cold of Dec of ’68 in Oregon but I do remember the later 70’s and early 80’s where we had enough snow accumulation on the Valley floor to interrupt school 1-3 times a winter. During the mid to late 80’s that shifted once every 2-3 years. Personally the pattern developing over the last couple of years is starting to remind me of the 70’s.

        • I find that I get stronger as I get older. I used to only be able to tote $25 worth of groceries upstairs at a time. Now I can easily bring up $100 worth.

          • I find that I am getting taller as I age, jor.

            40 years ago I was 5′ 11″ and when I dropped something, I just swooped down and scooped it up. As the years have now passed the ‘swoop’ seems to take longer and longer and it is definitely farther and farther down until now, it takes me near forever to reach and grab for something I have dropped, so I must be getting taller, right? I mean, I must be about 6′ 11″ tall by now.

            At this rate, by the time I’m 80 or 90-something and attempting to retrieve anything I have dropped, I’ll be about 7′ 8″ tall. Time/distance and all that; slower, farther, right?

            That ‘bone loss and getting shorter’ is all a bunch of B.S.

            Can I get an ‘Amen’ from the 6′ 11″ and taller people here?
            ;o)

          • What day is it today, Calvin? What month is it? Who is the President? Did you remember to brush your teeth this morning or can you recall? What did you have for breakfast; bacon, eggs, and toast or pancakes, eggs, sausage and hash browns?

            Just because you can’t remember doesn’t mean the rest of the Worlds’ 60s and 70s doddering curmudgeons can’t remember.

            Have you scheduled an appointment with your physician for suitable tests?
            ;o)

            [Just messin’ wid ya, Calvin. We all cool here… yeah, baby.]

          • Dear H.R.,

            Anybody who claims to remember the 1960’s wasn’t really there. If you know what I mean…

          • Regarding H.R.’s comment:
            Many folks that were teens in the ’60s don’t remember much of it.
            Their current mental abilities may be great.
            Just last week a medical professional had us draw a clock face reading 10 minutes after 11:00. We did great.
            A younger cousin told her clinician she had digital clocks, and had no idea how to draw a regular one.

      • Back when I was a little kid, it used to snow up to my waist at least a few times every Winter.
        Nowadays, it rarely snows more than knee high.

    • Typical of Manniacal to make claims about things of which he is totally ignorant and his gross assumptions.

      I have personally seen chunk ice in the Delaware River from above Trenton to just upriver of Bristol.

      Trenton is at the Delaware River’s fall line where tidal influence breaking up river ice ends.
      The Delaware River above Trenton is unaffected by tides with river ice getting thick during severe cold fronts.

      Rain swells the river, breaking the ice and sending it downriver past Trenton. Everyone along the river hopes that the ice keeps floating past and doesn’t form an ice dam.
      https://whyy.org/articles/ice-dam-on-delaware-river-continues-to-cause-headaches/

      That ice dam pictured is downriver of where George Washington crossed the Delaware. So much for manniacal’s alleged brilliance.

      • If there are any signs of chunk ice/growlers on the local rivers, I’m going to make it a personal missio to get a bunch of good shots, especially if it’s the Des Plaines River or the Kankakee, just so that I can send them to WUWT and we can thumb our noses at Mikey Mann’s silly opinion.

        I will enjoy proving he’s wrong.

      • I lived in Milford, PA for three years into the early 90s. Located right on the Delaware where NJ, NY, and PA all come together (in the Poconos). The river regularly froze over and the ice floes would litter its banks well into the spring. However, all of that made for very good canoeing and rafting well into the summer!

        • Moderator,

          Why do my benign comments always go into moderation? They don’t on any other WordPress site.

          (You have no FIRST approved comment, that is why they go into moderation automatically. I am now approving your comment backlog) SUNMOD

      • Also depends on the nature of the ground. Soil that was wet then frozen before the snowfall is pretty impermeable. The creek next to my place behaves very differently in response to rainfall/snow melt during an abrupt thaw versus a progressive thaw where ‘islands’ of snow loss have occurred around boulders and under trees.

  2. Most snow fall on record since 2003. …not so much of a hurdle.
    But, snow certainly isn’t a thing of the past, and surely isn’t indicative of the settled “science” of global warming, which is what they were telling us when the science was settled.
    An outcome which could mean anything is certainly not settled.

    The only way our grandchildren won’t know what snow is will be if the anarchistic loons manage to keep them from being born.

    • The article states that snow cover extent has only been recorded since 2003 so it would be difficult to say it was the most since years before that, wouldn’t it?

    • Snow falls in Southern California in November almost every year. Mt. San Antonio, the northeast boundary of Los Angeles County, has an elevation 10,046 feet. Also known as Mt. Baldy, it’s taller than any US peak east of Colorado and hence gets natural snow for its ski area. You really can go surfing and skiing the same day here.

      On the downside, there’s the politics. We currently may be a little short on “men to match my mountains,” as Sam Walter Foss so politically incorrectly put it.
      https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Coming_American

      • @Ralph.
        True, but Lancaster/Palmdale, at 2100ft, had about four inches.
        It was great for snowmen, and snowballs!
        Last time we had this accumulation was around 2009.
        I was told, that 1984 had roughly 18 inches of snowfall.
        The San Gabriels/Tehachapis and other ranges regularly get snowfall each Autumn/Winter/Spring.

        On a side note:
        I believe that Mt Whitney has Baldy beat. By a good 4000 ft.
        Baldy/San Antonio is listed as #42 for Mt peaks in Cali.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_peaks_of_California

  3. The dog that didn’t bark! Another average or near average Fall weather pattern.

    That’s the point, back in 2005 Al Gore and many others claimed snow would be gone by 2015, that ordinary Americans would clearly see the weather “wasn’t the same” —- had warmed up.

    NOT!

    • Yes, that IS the point! Exactly! After the snowfall and another one shortly after that, temps went back to normal here in the Middle Kingdom of The West (east of the Mississippi) and the daily temps are near the averages for this time of year.

      All that confounded snow went north of me and my snow shovel and that means I didn’t have to go shovel snow!!!! YAY!!!! Happy Dance!!!!

  4. Our farm in Saskatchewan has had just 3 months this year without snow on the ground. June, July, and August. It ain’t heat that’s limiting production here.

    • Report from Waterloo Ontario:

      Stats just in for November
      Lowest high temperature for any November evah! Below 11 C.

        • Other news from Ontario, Canada:

          The Auditor General found that the current Conservative government is telling porkies about its “How to Save the World From the Upcoming Armageddon” Plan.

          Ok, those are my words, but basically its what you expect a right-wing government to do, i.e., not much.

          The Usual Suspects were of course apoplectic, hellfire and damnation, etc. Why, if we (as a province) don’t do anything, then we are condemning the people of Ontario to more floods, fires, pestilences and worse BO than ever (just making that last one up, but you know there is probably a study about it…)

          Of course, the Usual Suspects (most of whom are guilty of causing it), were silent when the same Auditor General published this:

          https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/12/02/ontario-consumers-likely-paying-billions-extra-for-hydro-one-decisions-auditor-general.html

          Ontarians paid $37 billion extra for electricity from 2006-14, says auditor general Bonnie Lysyk

          I believe the word “hypocrites” is too small a word for these thugs.

          Ontario’s CO2 emissions could go to zero immediately and the effect on “environmental disasters” would be zero.

    • sometimes referred to as Climate Weirding.
      It’s simply Pseudoscience carnival barking all the way down.

      Just wait till early February 2020 in Iowa when Dumbocrats running for their party’s Prez nomination are telling freezing Iowans the worries of global warming and thus the need to send their home, business, and farm energy bills through the roof.

  5. 2019 “Hottest Year Evah” is still coming from the Boyz and Girlz at the Adjustment Bureau, aka GISS.

    “GISS – If they ain’t a lyin’, they ain’t a tryin’.”
    – me.

    • Now they are going with “Hottest Decade” on record! It is a fact that the last 10 years have been the hottest since there were 10 other consecutive years that were hotter! This includes about 97% of the decades comprising the last 11,000 years, and more than 97% of the decades in the last 500 million years!

      Yawn…

      • The “record” only goes back to the end of the Little Ice Age. All they have managed to prove is that we are still coming out of the Little Ice Age.
        PS: Decent records only go back about 30 years. Before that, the average temperature of the Earth is little more than an educated guess.

        • MarkW “Before that, the average temperature of the Earth is little more than an educated guess” Sorry the average temperature of the Earth will always be an educated guess. We occupy only 3% of the earth surface guess were we measure temperature. Where we don’t measure we only guess. Now we measure the earth by satellite and that will tell us a little about what might be going on but again the period is far to short to even guess what going on. We can’t honestly say if the world warming or cooling we just don’t have any good data to tell us that. Any one that tells you the world is warming is lying they cannot “know” that. They are only guessing and it might be a good guess or a bad guess we simply do not know. Lastly the worlds temperature is a metric of little value since we have no idea what the world temperature should be, even if we could measure it.

    • No just GISS, our ‘own’ Roy Spencer keeps telling us temps in US48 is above average when our asses are freezing. and I think he actually believes his numbers.

  6. Southern and central NH are getting wallopped by a one-two punch of snow over about 48 hours, delivering as much as 32″ in some places (and still snowing). These last bands of snow are coming in off the ocean.

    • C’mon Bruce. You know when it’s colder and snowier, it’s only weather. But one hot month in the summer (this year July) is climate emergency time and complete evidence of extreme climate change. And it’s Mann doing it, doncha know?

  7. Looks like they’ll have to dust off the “global warming causes more snow therefore more spring run-off therefore more flooding, its the new normal, look at the modeled evidence” media playbook here in Toronto.

    They had to use it last spring as we had a greater-than-normal run-off that caused some localized flooding, which of course made the news (great visual of a children’s playground underwater of course).

    Funny, there is no climate model (or media playbook), for the previous three years of totally average and not-very-exciting run-off.

    Of course, THAT playbook would be buried under the one from the previous year’s “global warming causes LESS snow therefore LESS spring run-off therefore LESS flooding, (which means apocalypse and we’ll have to dredge the channels, etc.) its the new normal, look at the modeled evidence”

    • Not rare where I live but it will be exciting to see the ground again next late April. Only five more months of winter. Hooray!

  8. When I look at the snow cover on a map, it oddly resembles the lower margin of the Wisconsin Glacial Maximum. (Cue the strange music.) Does this mean that we’re being warned about something?????

    What if all that northern snow doesn’t melt at all? Does this mean an end to the struggle between the Packers and da Bears??? Is the Sun trying to tell us “I’m taking a nap. Go light up a fire, willya?’ and we may not see a snow-free North again for a while?

  9. Snow begets cold. Arctic air masses over snow cover don’t moderate much if at all.

    Couple that with a quiet Sun, warm pool off Alaska, a modoki El Niño and a stratospheric warming displacing the Polar Vortex and we may have bitterly cold air coming south and east. It is quite possible we see a return to the winter of 1977 like conditions which for many of us was the one most remembers. This also was the winter that had everyone saying the next Ice Age is coming.

    Here is Raleigh we had one storm that had 21″ of snow coupled with highs in the teens and brutal winds. The forecast three days prior for that storm was 3″.

    • “Couple that with a quiet Sun, warm pool off Alaska, a modoki El Niño and a stratospheric warming displacing the Polar Vortex and we may have bitterly cold air coming south and east.”

      Yes…All the dominoes are wobbling. If they tumble, it will likely be in late December or January. It is not certain that they will all line up for a repeat of 1977, but there is one thing for certain…the media will blame Trump!

    • Ah, yes – I remember that year. I had just gotten my first car. I learned how to drive on snow and ice – ON the Chesapeake Bay.

    • I remember that 1977 winter very well. I lived in White Oak, just outside of Pittsburgh. I had just gotten married the previous September. Backpacking honeymoon in Rocky Mountain National Park in October. No snow at all and the talk was what was going on? We camped on a mountain 9000 feet above sea level and froze our dupies off, even though there was no snow. We heard the wind howling down from the ridges at night and expected to wake up in the morning with several feet of snow. Thankfully, nothing, but we still froze during the night. We’d take everything out of our backpacks and put it under us as ground cover, but it didn’t work. Anywhere you made point with the ground, (elbows, hips, etc) would allow the extreme cold to permeate right through you. A couple of nights we gave up and just went out and made a raging campfire to make it through the night.

      I returned to work (on a steel railroad) and after one day I was laid off for four months. That winter, I was so glad I didn’t have to struggle to work because I would hear all of the other poor stiffs trying to make it out of our apartment complex’s parking lots because of the snow and ice.

      The next winter 77-78 wasn’t quite as cold but it was extremely snowy. We had bought a new home and every Sunday night, when I had to go to work night shift, we’d have another snow storm and since I worked on the railroad you were required to shine for duty regardless. That winter, the ground froze so deeply the authorities were concerned it was going to rupture the natural gas lines as the freezing had gone well below the frost line. Oh the good old days of global cooling!

      • Well, I grew up two hours north of Toronto in what is called Ontario’s “snow belt”. That’s because before Georgian Bay (on Lake Huron) freezes, it means that cold (and very cold) NW winds blow across warmer water, making lots (and lots and lots) of snow.

        We moved into a new house in December, 1976, from a (barely) winterized cottage, so there was actually frost on the interior walls.

        Min Temps (Celsius)

        November 1 -6.7
        November 2 -7.2
        November 3 -2.2
        November 4 -2.8
        November 5 -1.7
        November 6 0.6
        November 7 -7.8
        November 8 -11.7
        November 9 -12.2
        November 10 -13.9
        November 11 -18.3
        November 12 -16.1
        November 13 -9.4
        November 14 0.6
        November 15 -2.2
        November 16 -3.3
        November 17 -2.2
        November 18 0.0
        November 19 -2.2
        November 20 -8.9
        November 21 -10.6
        November 22 -6.7
        November 23 -3.9
        November 24 -5.6
        November 25 -4.4
        November 26 1.1
        November 27 0.0
        November 28 -6.7
        November 29 -12.2
        November 30 -12.2
        December 1 -12.8
        December 2 -28.9
        December 3 -33.9
        December 4 -12.2
        December 5 -13.3
        December 6 -11.7
        December 7 -23.9
        December 8 -31.7
        December 9 -28.9
        December 10 -13.3
        December 11 -16.7
        December 12 -18.3
        December 13 -27.8
        December 14 -15.0
        December 15 -1.1
        December 16 -2.8
        December 17 -6.1
        December 18 -16.1
        December 19 -11.1
        December 20 -16.1
        December 21 -21.7
        December 22 -23.3
        December 23 -15.0
        December 24 -25.0
        December 25 -7.2
        December 26 -18.9
        December 27 -26.1
        December 28 -22.8
        December 29 -17.2
        December 30 -24.4
        December 31 -30.6

      • In ’78, I was working in a generating station along the Mississippi River above St. Louis, MO. That was the first time I saw the formation of needle ice from high winds and sudden cold on open water. It formed a slush that got sucked against the cooling water intake screens and cut the flow off, causing the circulating water pumps to cavitate, breaking the vacuum at the turbine hotwells and knocked a 360 MW unit off-line at 0-F outside.
        We tried a crew of workers poking holes with rods from the ice-covered floating walkway at the intake to no avail.
        It took coordinating with our coal barge contractor to keep the unit running. A tug was positioned with it’s stern just upstream of the intakes and the screws mixed the slush with warmer water from below as it kept the empty barges stationary against the current. It was needed for several days until hard ice floes formed on the river.
        The tug pilot had to ride herd constantly to keep the boat from coming in contact with the water intakes and they still managed to crush the aluminum floating walkway, but the unit stayed on line so the company was pleased and handed us commendations.

  10. I have yet to see a single MSM TV report on the recent massive, record breaking winter storms that includes the phrase “climate change”.

    I am NOT wondering why that may be the case.

    • B d Clark

      “Nearly every day for over a month parts of Scotland have been having snowfall…”

      Please don’t extrapolate from isolated examples up to western Europe: no snow here in Northeastern Germany up to now. UK has few in common with us, let alone would Scotland have!

      It seems that we will enjoy a mild winter for at least the third time in sequence.
      Forecasts for us till end of February: lowest night -6 °C, lowest day -1 °C.

      The last serious winters with night temperatures below -10 °C was in 2010-11.
      We enjoy!

      • I never compaired Scotland with ne Germany your comparison does not belittle the fact it’s been snowing in Scotland for over a month, nor do you mention what’s been happening in the rest of Germany, or the billzards in Russia and record cold of -52 in Russia, funny how your trolling on this web site and Spencer’s always back fires on you,

        • B d Clark

          “… funny how your trolling on this web site and Spencer’s always back fires on you.”

          Back firing, on me? At Spencer’s blog? Ha ha! May be by… B d Clark?

          *
          My actual GHCN daily data goes ‘only’ till Nov, 27.

          The lowest Russian temperature on a November day was till then
          RSM00024136 ___SUHANA_____________________ 1997 11 26: -60.0 (°C)

          https://www.google.de/maps/place/68%C2%B037'12.0%22N+118%C2%B019'48.0%22E/@68.62,82.4706222,3z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d68.62!4d118.33?hl=en

          *
          In a few days, all weather stations will have transmitted their data till today Dec 4 to NOAA, and I will then restart a worldwide download and evaluate the stuff anew.

          We will then see who is the real troll of us two:

          – the one who evaluates real data found in
          ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/daily/

          – the one who prefers to look at alarmista web sites like
          https://electroverse.net/extreme-november-cold-engulfs-russia-lows-of-54c-65-2f-recorded/

          • Today -50 https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/russia/verkhoyansk/ext I use the link because I use this site to extract the temp readings of one of the coldest parts of Europe, and is some 6 degrees below the average for December-44 . Your assumption I use electro universe for my information in this case was wrong , did I link and quantify my claim for you to base your assumption on,no,

            Perhaps I should enlighten you some more a “alarmist ” in climate speak is a global warmest ,their sites and followers , were as electro universe is a global warming skeptical site, a very good site for up todate weather and climate news site, it does not claim to be a scientific analysis site ,it is what it is,I for one along with many others shall use it for what it is, I’m sure I along with many others have to thank you for allowing me to quantify and confirm my claim of a particular Russian temperature.

          • B d Clark

            Concerning Verkhoyansk…

            1. Top ten daily lowest temperatures:

            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 1892 2 5 -69.8
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 1892 2 6 -69.8
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 1892 2 7 -69.8
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 1892 2 8 -68.8
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 1892 1 1 -67.8
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 1892 2 9 -67.8
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 1912 1 7 -66.6
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 1890 2 7 -65.9
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 1909 1 27 -65.9
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 1892 1 8 -65.8

            2. Top 10 lowest daily temperatures in Novenmber months since 2000

            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2014 11 13 -51.0
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2014 11 14 -50.5
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2000 11 30 -50.2
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2016 11 30 -50.0
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2003 11 30 -49.8
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2000 11 29 -49.1
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2009 11 30 -49.1
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2004 11 30 -48.9
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2009 11 29 -48.4
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2003 11 22 -48.3

            No reference to 2019 to be seen; no wonder. 2019 first appears after the 200 first records:

            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2019 11 9 -40.0
            RSM00024266 ___VERHOJANSK_________________ 2019 11 10 -38.1

            Together with Ojmjakon, Verhojansk is during the winters one of the coldest points on Earth, even colder as some points in the Antarctic. Thus, there is no reason to bother about -40 °C at the beginning of a winter.

        • B d Clark

          Oh, apologies! I forgot Germany…

          Here are the coldest days in November below -20 °C for whole Germany:

          GM000004204 ___JENA_STERNWARTE____________ 1858 11 23 -24.6
          GME00122638 ___GARDELEGEN_________________ 1965 11 23 -23.4
          GME00121114 ___OBERSTDORF_________________ 1998 11 22 -22.4
          GME00129442 ___TROCHTELFINGEN_____________ 1955 11 26 -22.4
          GME00102252 ___MAGDEBURG__________________ 1965 11 23 -21.9
          GME00121114 ___OBERSTDORF_________________ 1999 11 21 -21.7
          GME00129442 ___TROCHTELFINGEN_____________ 1952 11 16 -21.5
          GME00128158 ___SALZGITTER-RINGELHEIM______ 1965 11 23 -21.2
          GME00102348 ___FICHTELBERG________________ 1890 11 27 -21.0
          GME00121114 ___OBERSTDORF_________________ 1942 11 26 -21.0
          GME00128194 ___SALZWEDEL__________________ 1965 11 23 -20.8
          GME00126322 ___MUNSINGEN-APFELSTETTEN_____ 1952 11 16 -20.7
          GME00130606 ___WUSTRAU-ZIETHENHORST_______ 1965 11 23 -20.7
          GME00102348 ___FICHTELBERG________________ 1890 11 26 -20.6
          GME00121330 ___DONAUESCHINGEN_____________ 1985 11 27 -20.6
          GME00129442 ___TROCHTELFINGEN_____________ 1962 11 25 -20.6
          GME00121114 ___OBERSTDORF_________________ 1998 11 19 -20.5
          GME00129698 ___WACKERSLEBEN_______________ 1965 11 24 -20.5
          GM000004204 ___JENA_STERNWARTE____________ 1856 11 27 -20.4
          GME00129634 ___VILLINGEN-SCHWENNINGEN_____ 1955 11 26 -20.4
          GME00121114 ___OBERSTDORF_________________ 2010 11 30 -20.1
          GME00124586 ___KLEINMACHNOW_______________ 1965 11 23 -20.1

          Sorry… not one station did report such November temperatures since 2000.
          Lowest temperatures were recorded in February 1956:

          GME00129838 ___WALDSASSEN_________________ 1956 2 10 -36.3
          GMM00010579 ___MARIENBERG_________________ 1956 2 1 -35.5
          GMM00010579 ___MARIENBERG_________________ 1956 2 9 -34.0
          GMW00034171 ___NEUBIBERG__________________ 1956 2 10 -33.9
          GME00132202 ___ALDERSBACH-KRIESTORF_______ 1963 1 17 -33.5

          Feel free to still view me as a troll, I really enjoy.

          • Well that not really relevant to Russian temperatures is it ,interesting you should pick a random number of -20 when eastern German winter temps very rarely get that low, so picking a random -20 figure bares no relation to reality at all,no one including me has claimed eastern Germany has achieved such a temperature so I cant really see what point your making , certainly bares no relation to my original post, Scotland or anywhere else , like I said you are a troll.

          • B d Clark

            “… nor do you mention what’s been happening in the rest of Germany”

            Your own sentence.

            As opposed to you, who manifestly is looking only at cold temperatures, I look at both sides, especially when considering anomalies wrt the mean of a reference period.

            Is it my fault when there are mostly less references to years after 2000 at the cold end of sorted lists than there are at the warm end?

            Certainly not.

          • So you compaire cold with warm a medium between hot and cold your clutching at straws ,Scotland not only is gaining snow it’s also been and is cold for this time of year, that is the point in the winter in the northern hemisphere, there is no warm or hot to compair if I wanted to compair statistically I would of done so you have repeatedly distracted from my point,which proves my other point your a troll

  11. Environment Canada has just announced that we are going to have a warmer than normal winter. I guess here in the real PNW that means we have to dig out the shorts and flip flops again.

    • Reminds me of winter 2014-2015. Both Environment Canada and the USA’s NWS forecast a warm winter – and were 100% wrong.
      _____________________________

      One of my friends and co-authors is Joe d’Aleo, an American Weather Forecaster who was the Founding Chief Meteorologist for the Weather Channel.

      NOAA’s National Weather Service (NWS) forecast a warm winter for 2014-15 and Joe told me in October 2014 that the NWS forecast was seriously incorrect, and that the next winter would be particularly cold and snowy, especially in the populous Northeast. This was the second consecutive year that the NWS has made a highly incorrect (excessively warm) Winter forecast, in Joe’s opinion – and he and his colleagues at WeatherBell have an outstanding track record of accurate forecasts.

      Joe and I had been working together on a paper on Excess Winter Mortality, and I suggested to Joe that this false “warm winter” NWS forecast was dangerous, especially if the country and its people were unprepared. Joe agreed, but did not know how to tackle the problem.

      I proposed an approach, and we prepared a presentation for my friend at the US Energy Information Administration (EIA). At the EIA’s request, Joe then prepared his own Winter Forecast by month and by region, and the EIA re-ran their Winter Energy Demand calculations. Using Joe’s forecast, the EIA projected 11% more total winter energy required for the entire USA than the “warm” NWS forecast had projected. That is an awful lot of energy – mostly oil, natural gas and coal.

      After that brutally cold and snowy winter, a back-analysis showed that the actual winter energy used was 10% more than the projection using the NWS weather forecast, and just 1% less than that using Joe’s forecast.

      Regards, Allan

      • Allan, Joe d’Aleo and Joe Bastardi’s WeatherBell are amazing forecasters. I don’t know how they do it but they are amazingly accurate for not only winter weather but hurricane season, and they are usually point on for the track the hurricanes will actually take. If they put out a warning for my area (New England) I take it very seriously.

        • I agree. Unlike generic forecasters, they look at models (but w/a grain of salt) AND past years w/similar conditions (analogs) among other clues. Bastardi’s constant observation is that the models are always too warm beyond a week or two. What a surprise…

          • Good comment Beng.

            https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/27/study-chaos-seeding-impairs-the-interpretation-of-numerical-weather-models/#comment-2294052

            To be practical, let’s discuss what works and what does not work. As an example, let’s use Winter weather forecasts, which predict about 6 to 9 months into the future.

            The USA National Weather Service (NWS), with all its computing and modeling power, routinely gets its Winter forecasts wrong. Weatherbell, which uses historic weather analogues, has a much stronger track record of forecasting success. One example is included below, but there are many.

            The fact that Weatherbell can predict Winter weather much better than the NWS suggests that there is indeed a significant degree of predictability in weather within this 6-to-9-month time frame. What is apparently absent from the computer weather models is the “experience factor” provided by the historic weather analogues. There may also be mathematical frailties in the computer models that are either solvable or fatal – for example, even the “seasonal” models used by the NWS for the Winter forecast have a history of “running hot”.

            The longer-term multi-decadal climate models also run too hot, probably because of the assumption that climate sensitivity to CO2 (TCS) is about an order of magnitude higher than reality. There is also the problem of model instability, exemplified by reported wide divergence of results when minor changes are made to initial conditions.

            I am not saying that these weather and climate model problems are not solvable, but I am saying that these models are not currently fit-for-purpose, and probably should be shelved and greatly improved before they are put back into service.

            In the meantime, the NWS and other forecasters should focus on what does work. There is no excuse for continuing to produce weather and climate forecasting nonsense.

            Regards, Allan

      • Weatherbell updated their Winter Forecast on November 27, 2019
        “The three month forecast has been made colder.”
        “There are many SST similarities to 2013-14 and 2014-15.”

        Back in August 2019, Weatherbell had already forecast a colder-than-average winter 2019-2020 for central and eastern USA and Canada. Now they are forecasting even colder.

        Note the last sentence – SST’s similar to 2014-15. We won’t be warning the EIA this time – my friend there has moved on.

        February 2020 looks particularly brutal in Central and Eastern USA and Canada.

        Good people, cold is dangerous – cold kills 20 times more people than heat worldwide.
        Also, electrical grid stability has been compromised by intermittent wind (and solar) generation, which can lead to more power outages.

        I suggest reasonable precautions – a Honda generator to keep your furnace running, more firewood, etc.

        Figure out how to set up your Honda to run your furnace before a power outage hits. It’s tough working in the cold and dark, as you listen to your pipes freeze and burst.

        Let’s be careful out there.

        COLD WEATHER KILLS 20 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS HOT WEATHER
        by Joseph d’Aleo and Allan MacRae, September 4, 2015
        https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-macrae-daleo-4sept2015-final.pdf

  12. Er….. Since 2003 😐 Does this mean its simply weather or is the climate people right and the worlds going to end??

    I was listening to bbc R4 today (2-3) and it was a story about russians and Columbian cartels, but they turned it in to climate change 😐 in the show climate people shut down a banks network, and the government labeled them terrorists 😂

  13. In the north Mojave Desert we got 3 or 4 inches day before Thanksgiving. My dog loves snow. Still a bit on the ground here and there. I’m heading up into the South sierra later today to do some snow shoeing up about 6500 feet elevation. Tonight and tomorrow the South Sierra will get another foot to add to the two to three feet that fell last week!

  14. I see that Roy Spencer’s UAH LT product comes up with +0.22 for the lower 48 during Nov. Whilst at the same time recording the warmest November in its record (from 1979).
    Illustrates that snow is not a proxy for temperature … precipitable water is required, of which more can be held in warmer air. ( 7% more per 1C rise).

    And (BTW) neither the IPCC, Gore nor “many others” say that “snow would be gone by 2015”.

    For those not appreciating it – the contiguous USA is but 1.58% of the surface area of the Earth.

    Here are the current surface temp anomalies for the NH…..
    https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx_frames/gfs/ds/gfs_nh-sat1_t2anom_1-day.png

    • Oh, come off it! You know very well that if there were a snow drought, the shreaking and crying would be all about “global warming/climate change” being to blame. Hypocrite much? Same with the US being just a small fraction of the earth. Seriously, you guys should listen to yourselves once in a while. You change the story to fit the situation. Like clockwork.

      • Was it last year or the year before, when record heat in France and Spain was being touted by these same alarmists as evidence that CO2 was going to kill us all?
        Last time I checked, Spain and France combined are substantially smaller than the Continental US.

        • But Mark, in that record heat – surely the hottest evah [since last time?] – surely France and Spain would expand hu-u-u-u-ugely . . .
          All the models say so, don’t they?!

          Auto

      • It is absurd, Bruce. If we live long enough and the ice fields are descending upon us from the north they will be still spouting this nonsense that it is the warm air allowing the holding of more moisture content that is causing it. Their pictures should be displayed in the dictionaries to define cognitive dissonance.

    • Anthony,
      Dr. David Viner of the CRU said in 2000 that in a few years snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”, and that “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is”

      But here it is 20 years later and snow is not rare. Children that live in places that historically had snow, still know what snow is. I live in such a place, and I can’t remember a single winter that had no snow. Some were drier than others, but there was snow every year.

    • Notice how they have given up on the longer term averages. The alarmists now have to resort to any short term record that they can find.

      BTW, warmest since 1979 gee, is that really the best you can do?
      1) End of the coldest period in the last 100 years or so.
      2) Let’s ignore the warmer periods prior to 1979.

      • John Tillman

        “Even this large a positive anomaly still hasn’t broken the downtrend since the Super El Nino peak of February 2016.”

        Great!

        Can you explain how this trend since 2016 could be anything else than a downtrend?

        Is it not evident to you that a trend over a period starting with UAH’s highest anomaly since Dec 1978 can only be negative?

        Look at this comparison of UAH anomalies for the two periods 1997-2001 and 2015-2019, when they start relative to their respective begin anomaly:

        https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y1zmzMt_1gD5jxCOH13UVYvbocYulbNz/view

        What did you say 18 years ago, in Nov 2001?

        Incidentally, the so-called ‘Super El Nino’ ​​2015/16 is now set in correct relation to the real ‘Super El Nino’ ​​1997/98, as is shown by the MEI index:

        https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/img/meiv2.timeseries.png

        (1982/83 was the strongest positive ENSO signal since far over 100 years, but was completely hidden in the UAH time series due to the major El Chichon eruption.)

        Rgds
        J.-P. D.

    • Anthony Banton
      “I see that Roy Spencer’s UAH LT product comes up with +0.22 for the lower 48 during Nov.”
      Odd that statistic with all snowfall.
      It would be good if he was able to put up a comment on the relationship between low USA November Temperatures and the snowfall statistics corresponding since 2003 to see if there have been colder Novembers in that time.
      Mr Banton, as is his wont, conflates facts to his beliefs.
      I love this line,
      “Illustrates that snow is not a proxy for temperature … precipitable water is required, of which more can be held in warmer air. ( 7% more per 1C rise).”
      Basic Meteorology.
      Helpful Hint, snow is ice.
      Cold is what makes snow.
      Snow is formed by cold temperature acting on precipitable water.
      Most water in warmer air, like at the tropics at sea level, usually falls as water, otherwise known as rain.
      precipitable water in the air is more likely to form snow when the air is colder.
      Which happens in winter.
      Hint, that is why when there is warmer air in Summer with lots of precipitable water in the lower 48 it snow is much less common despite the extra moisture.
      So fess up Mr Banton,
      Admit snow is a proxy for temperature.
      It really is you know.
      Snow cover radiates out from the pole, Also down from mountains in winter so the only place where snow extent can increase is towards the south and down mountains when the air gets colder.


      See NSIDC “Whether winter storms produce snow relies heavily on temperature. Snow forms when the atmospheric temperature is at or below freezing (0 degrees Celsius or 32 degrees Fahrenheit) and there is a minimum amount of moisture in the air”

      It is good that you comment. It means a nerve is working and that you are a little cold sensitive.

  15. If ice albedo is important in climate-weather feedbacks, this early snow (if it stays) may influence US weather for the rest of the winter season. The insolation reflection and cooling effect must be considerable.

    R

  16. Children aren’t going to know what global warming-induced, crystalline, high-albedo-precipitation is any more. I know this is caused by warming because when you lay down in this stuff wearing just your socks it burns.

  17. “It’s a CLIMATE EMERGENCY! And it’s all your fault! How DARE you! Stop breathing NOW or ve vill stop you!” – Greta the Terrible

  18. Well, as Matt Foley would say, this doesn’t mean JACK SQUAT! Because, as I heard on NPR just this morning, the decade from 2010 through 2019 is very likely to go down as the WARMEST EVAH!! So there.

  19. It appears tht the National Weather Service forecast is much, much more accurate at predicting what is going to happen than the people who produce scary articles about something that hasn’t happened and probably won’t.

    Is anyone collecting that nonsense and archiving it with anything except links? If they all turn out to be WRONG, one should be able to rub their noses in it, y’know.

  20. “When it comes to climate change, we have to trust our scientists, because they know lots of big scary words…
    “First, I asked Stephen Belcher, the head of the Met Office Hadley Centre, whether the recent extended winter was related to global warming. Shaking his famous “ghost stick”, and fingering his trademark necklace of sharks’ teeth and mammoth bones, the loin-clothed Belcher blew smoke into a conch, and replied, “Here come de heap big warmy. Bigtime warmy warmy. Is big big hot. Plenty big warm burny hot. Hot! Hot hot! But now not hot. Not hot now. De hot come go, come go. Now Is Coldy Coldy. Is ice. Hot, den cold. Frreeeezy ice til hot again. Den de rain. It faaaalllll. Make pasty.” — Sean Thomas
    Science, June 2013

  21. On the plus side it is winter in the north at the moment.

    Here in Australia (ie – the place in SUMMER) there is apparently still fresh snow at Halls Creek. It this rate the ski fields are going to be able to stay open all year and children are not going to be able to comprehend the concept of a ‘Snow Season’.

    “Grandpa? You honestly had to stop skiing in September? Really Grandpa? Did you have to walk to school as well?”

  22. Just remember, the alarmists are very well-schooled. If we experience a particularly cold and/or snowy month it’s only weather. If we experience a very warm month in the summer, it’s climate change.

    • That’s an interesting chart I hadn’t seen before. Can one of you guys who knows the subject estimate the effect on planetary albedo for a poor dumb EE who knows when it’s raining but is otherwise a weather ignoramus? How would it compare to the theoretical watts/m2 causing Planetary Heat Death (see, I can make up scary monikers too. At least watts are familiar to me, even if Watts is not, personally.) Thanks…

      • Impact on albedo is fairly low when the days are so short and sun angle is low. What is more important is what the snow/ice cover is in the northern hemisphere in late June when the sun angle and length of day peak. For example, we had skiing in California on 4th of July (Mammoth Mountain, Squaw Valley and Alpine Meadows closed their ski season on July 7). All that snow in summer was reflecting a lot of sunlight back into space that could not heat the ground and cause “greenhouse” warming.

  23. It’s not snow, it’s Sea Level Rise sneaking up from behind! (It’s worse than we thought – send more grant money).

    • Looks like the snow level is about 6000 feet this morning, I’m glad it’s not too warm a storm. Yesterday at 7000 – 7500 elevation we were tromping around in about 20 inches on the north slopes, maybe 10″ on the south facing slopes.

  24. Expect an imminent invasion of T-34 poley bears anytime then as scientists search for answers and come up with climate change-
    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/russians-spotted-a-polar-bear-painted-with-cryptic-graffiti-scientists-are-searching-for-answers/ar-BBXKh0m

    Yeah I know you all erroneously thought the last of poley bears that hadn’t jumped off the skyscrapers had all been killed by the walruses falling off the cliffs and were now extinct but that was the last lot of grants and publicity. This is worse than we thought with the poley bears surreptitiously disguised as tanks.

  25. Sun activity is low, so according to Svensmark a cooling period may be cranking up. Svensmark’s theory also explains the earlier global warmings during this interglacial (Sun activity was high during those periods).

    Svensmark made the delivery of his theory in a youtube. The alarmists had control of practically all the technical journals. His video scanned the audience during his discussion and most of the folks attending looked as if they were at their loved ones funeral. In fact, one of the “scientists” came up to Svensmark afterwards and offered his rebuttal – “You should be ashamed” !

    That youtube may still be around, although I guess it’s possible that google censored it.

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