CNN: Trump is Worse than Hitler, Mao and Stalin Combined Because Climate Change

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Psychiatrist on CNN: Trump May Be Responsible for Millions of More Deaths Than Hitler, Stalin, Mao

Sunday on CNN’s “Reliable Sources,” psychiatrist Dr. Allen Frances said President Donald Trump “may be responsible for many more million deaths” than Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong.

He added, “Trump is as destructive a person in this century as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were in the last century. He may be responsible for many more million deaths than they were. He needs to be contained but he needs to be contained by attacking his policies, not his person. It’s crazy for us to be destroying the climate our children will live in. 

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Dr. Frances goes on to say that it is counterproductive to discuss Trump’s mental state in psychological terms, but he pulls no punches suggesting Trump’s policies are crazy.

I used to wonder if some people were attracted to psychology courses because they wanted to find solutions to their own problems.

I no longer believe this to be the case; but it is way past time the handful of psychology professionals, who in my opinion flout their own ethical guidelines by offering wild public opinions about the mental state of people whose policies they dislike, took a long hard look in the mirror.

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August 25, 2019 10:32 pm

I have seen some stupid statements over the years but CNN saying that : “Trump is Worse than Hitler, Mao and Stalin combined because of Climate Change” is loopier than all of them put together. What “Climate Change”?

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
August 25, 2019 11:21 pm

”What “Climate Change”?

Yes no climate change here. Winter temps are average. Average min 7C Average max 14C. Was like that 50 years ago and it’s like that this week. Why can’t I get some of this climate change stuff everybody’s talking about…or is it only happening somewhere else??

Just now while I’m typing this some young climate activist is being interviewed on the radio because yet another local council has officially called ”CLIMATE EMERGENCY!!!!!”. Listening to what she says (they are usually millennial girls for some unknown reason) ”warming this”, ”extreme weather that”. blah blah blah. Totally clueless…You know….like CNN et al…

M Courtney
Reply to  Mike
August 26, 2019 1:36 am

On every subject there is a person with claims to be an expert who is also a beautiful, young woman.
TV is a visual medium. They are the experts who ae chosen.
It’s not just climate change. Watch all the TV news channels and count the number of experts who fit that description.

Reply to  M Courtney
August 26, 2019 5:35 am

For some reason, Naomi Oreskes interviews are confined to radio and print.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Scissor
August 26, 2019 11:13 am

You’re assuming “she’s” a woman. I haven’t seen any data to support that assessment, and plenty of observational evidence to contradict a clear Oreskes gender assignment.

LOL@Klimate Katastrophe Kooks
Reply to  Scissor
August 27, 2019 6:18 pm

The Clever Hans / Naomi Oreskes syndrome. LOL

Hot under the collar
Reply to  Mike
August 26, 2019 4:22 am

Maybe Doctor Frances’s specialism is Bigotry and CNN journo’s are required to ignore it when it suits?

James Francisco
Reply to  Mike
August 26, 2019 6:14 am

Mike. ” Climate change somewhere else”. In the old days of the gold rush, they were always finding gold “somewhere else”.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Mike
August 26, 2019 1:03 pm

Just read a report on the “Farmer’s Almanac” prediction for the coming winter – it’s going to brutal…..

Reply to  Mike
August 26, 2019 6:22 pm

Have you ever watched the National Geographic Show Drain the Oceans where the programs show what is beneath the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans. If you have not watched that show you should. I believe the Channel is 52 on the Comcast Cable. It shows how the current conditions of the oceans have affected Climate Change.

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
August 26, 2019 1:47 am

Never interfere with an enemy while they are making a mistake.

Reply to  Jones
August 26, 2019 4:40 am

The enemies’ mistake – I think you are right. The Australian left lost an election in May they were predestined not lose and they obviously lost it because they went full-tilt promising action on the “climate emergency.” The current campaign for the Democratic nomination for president has painted all the candidates into supporting energy policies that are wildly unpopular with a solid majority of voters.

Yang’s idea about giving everyone a $1000 a month, the freedom dividend, is loopy & scary …and wildly popular. It would be a mistake to tax and spend our way to the freedom dividend – it is not a political mistake for David Yang to campaign on it. Be afraid.

Gary Pearse
August 26, 2019 6:52 am

In Canada the left taxes us to the limit and then buys our votes with it in the final months of their tenure. Does it work? Sadly, yes. Canadians aren’t an exception re the global left’s abuse of education to robotize people into socialists. The fact we haven’t protested the great dumbing down over the last couple of generations speaks loads.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 26, 2019 8:55 am

Gary, do you remember all the discussion about declining education decades ago (Ex The Dumbing Down Of America 1999)? You don’t hear anything about it anymore, yet all the while the decline of education has gotten FAR worse. All while in the control of the education-marxists, & they’re now hiding their failure, and just speaking about it is forbidden.

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
August 26, 2019 3:07 am

That is possibly the most stupid statement ever made, what is the target audience those in asylums?

george Tetley
Reply to  LdB
August 26, 2019 4:50 am

CNN == Chit Not News

Dan Cody
Reply to  george Tetley
August 26, 2019 8:11 am

CNN – Communist News Network or Clinton News Network

Me @ Home
Reply to  george Tetley
August 26, 2019 6:23 pm

In Australia we know CNN as Constantly Nothing New.

Reply to  LdB
August 26, 2019 7:46 am

“what is the target audience …?”
It’s clearly the few viewers they have left, so they must pander with lies and exaggeration. If CNN reported as truthfully as FOX, what’s left of their audience will move over to MSNBC.

Reply to  co2isnotevil
August 26, 2019 9:11 am

CNN, MSNBC, the NYT and WashPo have degenerated into pure “fan service” for the foaming, far-left base that apparently lives in some kind of parallel universe. There is no longer even the slightest pretense of providing “news” or “journalism” and they admit it.

LOL@Klimate Katastrophe Kooks
Reply to  co2isnotevil
August 27, 2019 6:22 pm

If CNN didn’t have contracts to display their blather in airports, where there are captive audiences, they’d likely not have an audience.

That’s where their viewership numbers come from, dismal as they are.

Fortunately, even that is changing… more and more airports are ditching CNN as people request that the channel be changed or the TV be turned off… people are tired of the constant propaganda.

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
August 26, 2019 3:19 am

They say Freud set back psychiatry a hundred years. If you don’t want to set your kid back a hundred years, don’t send them to someone like Freud. Look at how many of these perps were prescribed psychoactive drugs in the years preceding their crimes.

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
August 26, 2019 6:18 pm

What is disturbing is the statement that Donald Trump killed more people than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao together? What people did Trump kill? I am a Granddaughter of a World War II Veteran who served in the Second Battalion Third Armored Division that liberated some of the concentration camps and was told first hand that Stalin by far killed more people the second place goes to Mao and then Hitler. I don’t understand how Trump could have killed people by what means? Bill Clinton knocked off 22 people. I have never heard Trump knocking off people lately.

Reply to  Deborah
August 27, 2019 12:34 am

**I have never heard Trump knocking off people lately.**

Over 400 million bodies should be visible somewhere, or DT must have a very huge closet.

David Cage
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
August 26, 2019 10:30 pm

If someone had the guts to put climate science to the test of outside inspection to life critical Quality Assurance standards and it passed I might well agree with him. I know I am only a retired computer modeller working solo but even so when I put it through the QA tests for a Poundland Christmas novelty product is failed in the unofficial category of don’t bother to quote again. Poundland for those of you who don’t know it are a low cost but tolerably good quality store for the price here in the UK.
It does not even get to the start point for a pacemaker QA spec.

Dennis Sandberg
August 25, 2019 10:34 pm

One of the most fun things about President Trump is that he has created an environment where the crazies can not help themselves from displaying their craziness. Buy popcorn stock.

Reply to  Dennis Sandberg
August 26, 2019 5:07 am

It’s called Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) If President Trump cured cancer in children, the TDS sufferers would find a way to make him look evil for doing so. All that matters for them is the hate.

Reply to  commieBob
August 26, 2019 7:57 am

If Trump cured cancer in children, CNN’s headline the next day would be something along the lines of:
Trump fails to adequately fund cancer research for adults.

Reply to  MarkW
August 26, 2019 8:28 am

If trump cured cancer in children, the headline would be Trump Destroys Trillion Dollar Industry!!! Millions out of Work!!!

D Russell
Reply to  MarkW
August 27, 2019 10:35 am

Alternative headline: “Millions of children die before Trump acts”

Reply to  D Russell
August 28, 2019 6:52 am

“Trump accelerates overpopulation”

Reply to  commieBob
August 26, 2019 8:34 am

TDS is a side effect of how CNN and MSNBC distort the truth to serve an agenda, where that agenda is to put a Democrat back into the white house by whatever means necessary. Since the agenda of the Democrats is open borders, prohibitively expensive energy, high taxes and regulation up the wazoo, there’s no way that truth and logic can support them, so they resort to defamation, misinformation, misdirection and outright lies.

Reply to  commieBob
August 26, 2019 9:55 am
Reply to  commieBob
August 28, 2019 10:14 am

Trump Puts Honest Oncologists Out of Work!

David Guy-Johnson
August 25, 2019 10:35 pm

Actually, he “hopes” Trump’s policies will cause millions of deaths because then his own prejudices will be vindicated.

Reply to  David Guy-Johnson
August 26, 2019 3:10 am

It’s a she, although these days she might be gender fluid or a non specific binary gender because she is a radical lefty.

Mark Broderick
Reply to  LdB
August 26, 2019 6:23 am

Watch the video, the Dr. is an old man..

August 25, 2019 10:40 pm

The above article is false nonsense – radical greens are the great killers of our age.

Hypothesis: Radical Greens are the Great Killers of Our Age

9. Conclusion

The evidence strongly supports my hypothesis that “Radical Greens are the Great Killers of Our Age”.

The number of deaths and shattered lives caused by radical-green activism since ~1970 rivals the death tolls of the great killers of the 20th Century – Stalin, Hitler and Mao – they advocate similar extreme-left totalitarian policies and are indifferent to the resulting environmental damage and human suffering.

August 26, 2019 3:11 am


Here is some of the supporting evidence:

The banning of DDT from ~1972 to 2002, which caused the malaria deaths of tens of millions of children under five years of age, and sickened and killed many more adults and children;

The fierce green opposition to golden rice, actions that blinded and killed millions of children;

The misallocation of scarce global resources for destructive intermittent “green energy” schemes, which are not green and produce little useful (dispatchable) energy;

Properly allocated, a fraction of the trillions of dollars squandered on green energy schemes could have installed clean drinking water and sanitation systems into every community on the planet, saving the lives of many tens of millions of children and adults; the remaining funds could have significantly reduced deaths from malaria and malnutrition;
Global Crises, Global Solutions, The 1st Copenhagen Consensus, edited by Bjørn Lomborg, 2004,
Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK, 648 pp.

The number of Excess Winter Deaths and shattered lives caused by runaway energy costs in the developed world and lack of access to modern energy in the developing world probably exceeds the tens of millions of malaria deaths caused by the DDT ban; Excess Winter Deaths (more deaths in winter than non-winter months) total about two million souls per year, which demonstrates that Earth is colder-than-optimum for humanity;

Indoor air pollution from cooking fires contributes to illness and premature death in the developing world, especially among women and children;

In addition to runaway energy costs and increased winter deaths, intermittent wind and solar power schemes have reduced grid reliability and increased the risk of power outages;

Huge areas of agricultural land have been diverted from growing food to biofuels production, driving up food costs and causing hunger among the world’s poorest people.

old white guy
August 26, 2019 5:22 am

you want death, think of how many have died after DDT was banned. liberal socialists are a cancer on humanity.

August 25, 2019 10:41 pm

You mean they left out Lucifer?

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
August 26, 2019 1:45 am

And Pol Pot.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  RexAlan
August 26, 2019 10:34 am

And the Democrat-controlled US Congress of 1975. You know, the ones who turned their backs on South Vietnam and threw them to the communist wolves, causing the death and displacement of millions of innocent people in Southeast Asia.

Dan Cody
August 25, 2019 10:43 pm

After the Doctor had made such an absurd statement,I think it’s a no brainer that Dr.Allen Francis needs a good psychiatrist for himself!

Reply to  Dan Cody
August 26, 2019 3:27 am

Exactly in a ward, in a straight jacket

J Mac
Reply to  Dan Cody
August 26, 2019 8:55 am

Seems applicable, to the Doctor’s current conditions….
Napolean XIV – They’re coming to take me away! Ha! Ha!

August 25, 2019 10:45 pm

It would be interesting to find out what Dr. Allen Frances knows about the physics of how the climate works. Nothing, would be my guess.

August 25, 2019 10:46 pm

I have usually found that psychiatrists need themselves more than anyone else does.

Reply to  mikebartnz
August 25, 2019 11:40 pm

Most mental health ‘professionals’ are madder than their patients. I suggest DJT sues for defamation.

August 25, 2019 10:50 pm

Remember when it was considered unpatriotic to speak out about the president. Remember when any criticism of the president, no matter how well justified was considered Raysis. Remember when we were told that even if we could not respect the president, we had to respect the office of the presidency.
Remember when the press would not call out the president on anything.
To criticize or speak out in any way was considered unamerican and borderline treasonous.
Remember, it was just 2009 up until 2016.

Reply to  TonyL
August 25, 2019 11:27 pm

Just needs to buy an expensive beachside property change a few light globes and buy some carbon credits for the private jet and all will be forgiven and he’ll get a Nobel won’t he? Could have a whip around and throw in a Save the Poley Bear Foundation if they’re really picky. Tell them that’s what he wanted to buy Greenland for and they’ll lap it up.

Reply to  observa
August 26, 2019 12:55 am

Actually, it would be interesting if Donald Trump bought a coastal property next to say Al Gore’s or Barack Obama’s. What bloviating line could the MSM come up with?

John Tillman
Reply to  Mike Jonas
August 26, 2019 10:29 am

Trump already has Mar a Lago, and had Atlantic City casinos.

The base of Trump Tower isn’t far above sea level.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TonyL
August 26, 2019 10:45 am

“To criticize or speak out in any way was considered unamerican and borderline treasonous.
Remember, it was just 2009 up until 2016.”

Yes, the MSM fawned all over Obama. They ran interference for him and still do. They cover the positive things and cover up the negative.

The Republicans in Congress were also very hesitant about criticizing Obama for fear of being labeled a racist.

Compared to Trump, Obama had smooth sailing as far as news coverage goes and little criticism from Republicans, and what criticism there was from Repubicans in Congress focused on policy not personality.

August 25, 2019 11:06 pm

AllenFrancesMD Is probably responsible than more deaths than anyone she mentioned…
I’m saying she cause the pic is of a woman….


Mark Broderick
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
August 26, 2019 2:28 am

No, its the old guy in the video…

Reply to  Mark Broderick
August 26, 2019 8:53 am

If this guy is a real psychiatrist why doesn’t the AMA remove him immediately? He is the one who is crazy!

Mark Broderick
Reply to  Sherry lane
August 26, 2019 11:57 am

..100% agree…Certifiable…yet CNN thinks he is good enough as an “expert !” lol

August 25, 2019 11:12 pm

I sincerely hope Dr. Frances doesn’t have any patients. He is so disconnected from reality that it’s difficult to see how he could help someone with a psychiatric problem.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  stinkerp
August 26, 2019 8:53 am

And how many believe Brian Stelter’s plea of distraction as the reason for why he did not interrupt?

This network is famous for letting not just guests but the anchors and commentators employed by the network, get away with making outrageous statements and claims and never being challenged for doing so.

And if ever they belatedly decide they disown a comment of opinion, it is always well after the fact, and done in a way few will notice.

They pointedly never make such a disclaimer in any way which will get as broad attention or as many eyeballs as the nutty things that were said.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
August 26, 2019 10:03 am

Fortunately, not many people watch CNN these days. And with their ratings in free-fall, we may not have to put up with them for much longer.

michael hart
August 25, 2019 11:24 pm

Neurotics build castles in the air.
Psychotics live in them.
Psychiatrists charge the rent.

Clarky of Oz
August 25, 2019 11:36 pm

The numbers are in for Mao, Adolf and Josef, I am happy to let history decide this one.

August 25, 2019 11:54 pm

As a psychology student I realised that most people are attracted to psychology for one of two reasons, either it’s free therapy or a need to control other people’s minds.

George Lawson
August 25, 2019 11:57 pm

Why doesn’t this silly man not understand that there are many more millions of people in this world including meteorologists, scientists. etc. who are far more qualified than he, a simple psychiatrist, who are supportive of Mr Trumps views. Why do we have to put up with the ridiculous views of these quacks.

Ken Irwin
August 26, 2019 12:18 am

CNN the news channel dedicated to the downfall of DJT

I get better news from Tarrot cards.

Barry Sheridan
August 26, 2019 12:26 am

Dr. Allen Frances is clearly certifiable, as for CNN, they have lost all credibility.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Barry Sheridan
August 26, 2019 10:48 am

Well said, Barry! 🙂

August 26, 2019 12:34 am

Trump isn’t nuts, the media is. And psychiatry is nuts, too. Do you know how they came up with “mental illnesses”? They sat around a table coming up with names for behaviors and voted them into the DSM. There is nothing scientific about it. It’s the second biggest fraud ever perpetrated on mankind.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  4TimesAYear
August 26, 2019 9:05 am

If it had anything to do with science, there would not be entire categories which appear and then vanish with each and every iteration of the DSM.
And only very rarely is there any clinical findings that lead to when and what some thing is added or deleted.
In other words, as stated, they are basically just making it up as they go.
Gender dysphoria is a good example: It was once a clearly identified mental illness, requiring individual analysis and treatment.
But now it is considered bigoted and hateful to refuse to go along with such dysphoria when it arises in an individual, and those with this condition are being treated as if they are brave victims, while all who know them are being told they must validate these feelings and regard them as not just normal but instead rather desirable.
And all of this despite the knowledge that such people, when left with this condition, have an extreme rate of suicidal ideation and of actually succeeding in harming and/or killing themselves.

Reply to  4TimesAYear
August 26, 2019 10:22 am

Wow. This is pretty ignorant.

Some “mental illnesses” are fake, or are mislabeled phenomena. Someone who has difficulty with shift work, which is patently unnatural, can be described as having “shift work disorder.” Fake.

Some should not be diagnosed because the cause is something else. If a child is not parented well, and as a result the child cannot get along with orderly society, the problem is “weak parenting.” And, a fitting diagnosis might be “undersocialized.” Which is actually a real diagnosis. But the kid may end up getting the “ADHD” or “Conduct Disorder” label. Erroneously applied.

A principle of psychiatric diagnosis is that you need to rule out other explanations. If a person is from a culture that regularly sees and communicates with their deceased relatives, you want to be slow to diagnose “schizophrenia.”

But some psychiatric diagnoses are extremely well-founded. I have been able to work in social service settings where we came across people who totally fit “schizophrenia” definition. They told us the thoughts being put in their head, that they were being observed, etc. The onsets in these people’s history is very consistent. Symptoms are consistent. Response to antipsychotic medications is consistent.

And, there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that a bunch of psychiatrists sat around and dreamed up schizophrenia, along with other diagnoses. Schizophrenia recognition grew across history, with jumps in recognition, such as with Schneider’s work in “first rank symptoms.” Modern recognition and definition span 1800 with Pinel to 1900 with Bleuler. And forward.

Across time, many concepts of diagnosis were developed. Circa 1950, the military wanted to have these unified in order to understand what problems they were addressing, to what degree, in psych care. So, they created te “DSM” / diagnostic and statistical manual. Basically, how many people with each syndrome, typified by these symptoms, do you have in your hospital?

This was an attempt to add rigor to diagnoses. DSMII similar. With DSMIII, the Am Psychiatric Assoc realized that there were different schools of thought behind diagnoses. To make the world more homogeneous, diagnoses officially became to be based on symptoms and patterns – on empirical evidence – and not on beliefs about how the problem developed. So, psychodynamic psychiatrists no longer could describe things as “neuroses,” meaning the problem arose from a neurosis. And behavioral-minded people like Skinner, etc., and social-context people like Bandura, could not have etiology be a basis. Just symptoms and patterns observed.

The knowledge about which diagnoses genuinely warrant recognition has mightily remained a great line of scholarly and clinical effort. Through DSMIV and DSMV. DSMV included a parallel set of publications, along with the list of diagnoses, and their criteria for diagnosis. This set of pulbications was the collected scholarly evidence, including the empirical stuff. So, you could select a diagnosis and go read a plethora of supporting information for the legitimacy / ontology of the dx, and its symptoms, etc.

The history of how we have regarded PTSD is quite well-documented. The “shell-shocked” of WWI were recognized. As time has gone on, we have developed to now perceive “PTSD.” If you do not know what this is, you might want to go talk to those who have experienced combat, and see what they or their buddies suffer with, post-exposure. Or, ra ppe victims. Yes, tell a set of ra ppe victims that their flashbacks, avoidance, nightmares, etc., is all just a bunch of hooey. Report back to us and tell us how that went.

Do some women falsely cry ra ppe? Sure. Do all women who have experienced this have ptsd? Maybe, maybe not. But I have heard plenty enough to believe in PTSD, from combat vets and ra ppe victims, and others whp experienced life-threatening events, and have similar symptoms following that.

Are the drug companies paying docs to make up more diagnoses, or to “expand'” existing ones, in order to sell more drugs? I am pretty sure this happens a great deal. This does not mean there is no such thing as a psychiatric dx.

Plenty is on wikipedia, and all over the web.

So, when in this history, say 1800 to 2000, was this committee convened to sit around and make up diagnoses? Do you mean the major meetings at which each successive DSM edition was reviewed and refined, per well-defined nosological criteria? Please tell us.

Stefan Youngs
August 26, 2019 12:49 am

Physician, heal thyself.

This one needs a brain transplant

August 26, 2019 12:49 am

Psychiatry – the second biggest load of manure ever – second only to climate change:

Rod Evans
August 26, 2019 12:57 am

Following on from the mental professor’s thought process, it can’t be long before Pol Pot becomes a hero of the climate alarmists movement, thanks to his revolutionary efforts getting academics and other city based workers on to the land. They were taught how to work hard with their bare hands, to show how life must be lived in a totalitarian paradise.
That piece of social re-profiling, resulted in a net reduction of humanity. That was a good thing in the mind of the “woke progressives”, it shows exactly what can be achieved when those evil fossil fuels are taken away….

Michael S. Kelly LS, BSA Ret.
August 26, 2019 1:44 am

How offensive can anyone get? Trivializing the 100 million lives ended by Mao, Stalin, Lenin (who invented the “death camp”), and Pol Pot is the most horrific moral crime I can even imagine. Especially since there is no possible way to link President Trump to any deaths. These people are psychotic.

I voted for Mr. Trump because I knew, from first-hand experience, how corrupt Mrs. Clinton was. I didn’t have any opinion of him at the time. But after hearing him speak, and watching him work, I believe he is one of the few truly good elected official I have ever seen. Another was the late Congressman George E. Brown, Jr., a very liberal Democrat from the 42nd District of California (and a personal friend), so this isn’t a partisan perspective. It has only to do with the moral character of the person. Vice President Pence appeared on a talk radio show shortly before the 2016 election, and concluded his remarks with (paraphrasing) “I hope you will help elect this good man to the Presidency.”

He had an emphasis on the word “good” that struck me at the time. Now, I know what he meant.

Reply to  Michael S. Kelly LS, BSA Ret.
August 26, 2019 4:18 am

If these folks get into power, we’ll see their re-education camps again, then their concentration camps again, and eventually their death camps…again.

These guys are always pointing fingers at the “dangerous” right wing white supremacists and neo-nazis. Those right wing nut jobs have no serious path to power, and their numbers are few. Their leaders are not powerful or well known or respected. But the Socialist “political offspring” of Stalin and Mao, and Pol Pot are certainly well known and are currently in the seats of power. And they are running the propaganda ministry (aka the Mainstream Media)…and they dominate the seats of Academia and they dominate the Entertainment Industry. These International Socialists are truly a danger to mankind and to freedom and prosperity everywhere…and to the survival of many millions if not billions (if they have their way…again).

Trump is not the reincarnation of communist evil…THEY ARE.

August 26, 2019 1:46 am

And yet China is putting out more CO2 than America.
And Chinese CO2 emissions are increasing, while America’s are decreasing.
So who is the Big Green Ogre here – America or China…?

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Reply to  ralfellis
August 28, 2019 12:01 pm

I would be more than happy to cut off your energy meter for free. Let me know. Buy your solar panels and wind mills and let the world know how they are working for you.

Rod Evans
August 26, 2019 2:07 am

“For evil to succeed, it is only necessary for good men to do nothing”.
Edmund Burke
Here we are 250 years on from that prophetic truth, and it is more appropriate today than it was back in 1795!
We have to stand up and fight back against the tyranny of climate alarmists.

August 26, 2019 2:20 am

Surely someone can get the message across that the Greenhouse Effect is non-existent except inside a greenhouse. By my calculation, back-radiation cannot cause anywhere near enough energy to increase the temperature of the Earth by the 33 degree Kelvin Greenhouse Effect. Furthermore, if there was such an effect, the back-radiation of the incoming Sun’s energy out into space would be at least fifty times greater than any internal back-radiation causing the Earth to cool as CO2 concentration increased. See under “Greenhouse Effect”.

LOL@Klimate Katastrophe Kooks
Reply to  Bevan Dockery
August 27, 2019 7:03 pm

Interesting, Bevan. I’d be interested to know how your info jibes with the data below.

The ‘transition temperature’ at which the combined translational mode energy of two colliding molecules can begin exciting a radiative molecule’s vibrational mode quantum states dictates when that radiative molecule changes from being a net warming molecule (transfer of vibrational mode energy to translational mode energy) to a net cooling molecule (transfer of translational mode energy to vibrational mode energy).

Obviously the temperature at which the combined translational mode energy of two colliding molecules will be sufficient to excite any particular molecular species’ vibrational mode quantum states will be different between molecular species, but the concept holds true for any molecular species capable of emitting radiation.

For CO2, that ‘transition temperature’ is ~288 K.

The public has been told only half the story as regards energetic interactions of atmospheric molecules. They’ve been told CO2 causes warming by conversion of vibrational mode energy to translational mode energy under all conditions… and that this process can cause catastrophic warming. Yes, CO2 can cause warming under certain circumstances… up to a certain temperature and at certain altitudes.

The below is what they’re not being told… that above ~288 K, the combined translational mode energy of two colliding molecules is sufficient to begin significantly vibrationally exciting CO2, which increases the time duration during which CO2 is vibrationally excited and therefore the probability that it radiatively emits.

The vibrational mode quantum state energy levels of CO2:
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The absorbed energy in Reaction (33) once again comes from translation. Two reactions of type (33) must occur for every one of the type indicated by Reaction (32) to maintain the CO2 in thermal equilibrium. The removal of energy from the translational modes by Reactions (32) and (33) cools the CO2 molecular system, and, concomitantly, the air.

The energetic pathways by which translational mode (kinetic) energy (which we sense as temperature) is converted to vibrational mode energy then to radiation (utilizing modern nomenclature and accounting for higher vibrational mode quantum states).

X (at ~288K+) + CO2{v20(0)} (at ~288K+) –> X + CO2{v21(1)} –> CO2{v20(0)} + 667.4 cm-1

X (at ~288.1K+) + CO2{v21(1)} (at ~288.1K+) –> X + CO2{v22(2)} –> CO2{v21(1)} + 667.8 cm–1 –> CO2{v20(0)} + 667.4 cm-1

X (at ~288.2K+) + CO2{v22(2)} (at ~288.2K+) –> X + CO2{v23(3)} –> CO2{v22(2)} + 668.10 cm–1 –> CO2{v21(1)} + 667.8 cm–1 –> CO2{v20(0)} + 667.4 cm-1

X denotes any atmospheric molecule. The Equipartition Theorem dictates that all molecules at exactly the same temperature will have exactly the same translational mode energy, regardless of their molecular weight. Lower molecular weight molecules will have a higher speed, whereas higher molecular weight molecules will have a lower speed, but at the same temperature, they’ll all have the same translational mode (kinetic) energy.

In order for CO2 to be vibrationally excited, it requires the energy equivalent to a 14.98352 µm photon, equating to a CO2 speed of 425.92936688660114 m/s or an N2 speed of 533.8549080851558 m/s. For CO2, the Boltzmann Factor probability of one of its molecules being at a speed of 425.92936688660114 m/s; and for N2, the Boltzmann Factor probability of one of its molecules being at a speed of 533.8549080851558 m/s is 0.8461 at 288 K. In other words, at 288 K, for every 100 molecules which are at the Most Probable Speed, another ~84 molecules will be at the speed necessary to vibrationally excite CO2.

The Maxwell-Boltzmann Speed Distribution of N2 and CO2 at 288K:
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You’ll note the ratio between the top-left and top-right ‘fraction of gas’, and the bottom-left and bottom-right ‘fraction of gas’ in the image above is ~0.84… the Boltzmann Factor probability mentioned prior (0.8461 at 288 K).

The conversion of translational mode energy (which we sense as temperature) to vibrational mode energy is, by definition, a cooling process.

The emission of the resultant radiation to space is, by definition, a cooling process.

An increased atmospheric CO2 concentration will increase the likelihood of atmospheric molecular collision with CO2, thereby increasing the likelihood of CO2 radiatively emitting, thereby increasing the radiative cooling effect.

Therefore, CAGW is a physical impossibility by the above interactions alone.

But there are other interactions:

X (at ~288K+) + N2{v1(0)} (at ~288K+) –> X + N2{v1(1)} –> N2{v1(1)} + CO2{v20(0)} –> N2{v1(0)} + CO2{v3(1)} –> CO2{v1(1)} + 961.54 cm-1

X (at ~288K+) + N2{v1(0)} (at ~288K+) –> X + N2{v1(1)} –> N2{v1(1)} + CO2{v20(0)} –> N2{v1(0)} + CO2{v3(1)} –> CO2{v20(2)} + 1063.83 cm-1

We can use the Boltzmann Factor to determine the vibrationally excited population of N2 due to translational-vibrational (t-v) collisional processes.

N2{v1(1)} (stretch) mode at 2345 cm-1 (4.26439 µm), correcting for anharmonicity, centrifugal distortion and vibro-rotational interaction

1 cm-1 = 11.9624 J mol-1
2345 cm-1 = 2345 * 11.9624 / 1000 = 28.051828 kJ mol-1

The Boltzmann factor at 288 K has the value 1 / (2805.1828 / 288R) = 0.10266710 which means that 10.26671% of N2 molecules are in the N2{v1(1)} excited state due to translational-vibrational (t-v) processes.

Given that CO2 constitutes 0.041% of the atmosphere (410 ppm), and N2 constitutes 78.08% of the atmosphere (780800 ppm), this means that 4.1984 ppm of CO2 is excited to its {v3} mode quantum state via collisional translational-to-vibrational (t-v) processes, whereas 80162.3936 ppm of N2 is excited via the same (t-v) processes. This is a ratio of 1 vibrationally excited CO2 to 19093 vibrationally excited N2. You’ll note this is 10.028 times higher than the total CO2:N2 ratio of 1:1904, and 195 times more vibrationally excited N2 molecules than all CO2 molecules (vibrationally excited or not). Thus energy will flow from the higher-energy and higher-concentration vibrationally-excited N2 to vibrationally ground-state CO2.

The conversion of translational mode energy (which we sense as temperature) to vibrational mode energy of N2 is by definition, a cooling process.

The transfer of that N2 vibrational mode energy to vibrational mode energy of CO2, then that energy being emitted to space as radiation is, by definition, a cooling process. The resultant radiation from the last two energetic pathways is in the Infrared Atmospheric Window, thus any upwelling radiation has a nearly unfettered path out to space.

An increased atmospheric CO2 concentration will increase the likelihood of vibrationally-excited N2 colliding with CO2, thereby increasing the likelihood of CO2 radiatively emitting, thereby increasing the radiative cooling effect.

Five energetic pathways which show that CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming due to CO2) is a physical impossibility.

If a process (catastrophic atmospheric warming due to CO2) cannot occur at the quantum level, it most certainly cannot occur macroscopically.

Mark Broderick
August 26, 2019 2:31 am

…Doctor, heal thyself…..!


Flight Level
August 26, 2019 3:06 am

Unlike other, psychology degrees are not earned by students but sold by universities in exchange of tuition and campus fees.

August 26, 2019 3:13 am

More proof that psychiatry is not a science.. It isn’t medicine either.

Andy in Epsom
Reply to  ColMosby
August 26, 2019 10:11 am

I would actually like to stand up for the true proffesional people in this field. I needed and was helped tremendously by a psychiartrist. I am now a much stonger person than I have ever been with enough sceptisism to think that this might have been and honorary degree/post and this man knows nothing at all.

Steve Borodin
August 26, 2019 3:13 am

Psychiatrist heal thyself.

Linda Goodman
August 26, 2019 3:14 am

Pure projection! Media, democrats and a growing number of globalist republicans are eco-fascists. And if they’re not exposed while President Trump is in Office, prophecy will come to pass. It’s staring us in the face as Science: Carbon is 6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons; the human body is mostly carbon – the ‘number of man’; and cash will be replaced with a carbon chip in the hand. And only the truth shall make us free.

Before Climategate slowed the agenda….
Carbon Chastity
“Only Monday, a British parliamentary committee proposed that every citizen be required to carry a carbon card that must be presented, under penalty of law, when buying gasoline, taking an airplane or using electricity. The card contains your yearly carbon ration to be drawn down with every purchase, every trip, every swipe. There’s no greater social power than the power to ration. And, other than rationing food, there is no greater instrument of social control than rationing energy, the currency of just about everything one does and uses in an advanced society.” – Charles Krauthammer, May 2008

Sky King
August 26, 2019 3:21 am

Out of the 10s of millions that Trump has killed because climate change, is there any with names and addresses so that we can check that claim? I wonder if Snopes and Politifact are on the case?

paul courtney
Reply to  Sky King
August 26, 2019 10:46 am

Sky King: This is just wishful thinking for D’s, if there were that many dead then that’d be 10’s of millions of D votes in 2020.
This doctor of Psychiatry shows how much “science” can accomplish when it decides observation (this guy never met the “patient” he diagnosed) can go out the window with replication. I’m no scientist, but I know what those words mean.

August 26, 2019 3:56 am

The leftist Climate Alarmists are already killing millions every year by blocking World Bank development loans to 3rd world countries for energy plant construction (and other anti-development restrictions, particularly in agricultural chemicals and practices).

Meanwhile, Climate related deaths are at historically low levels and still falling fast. And extreme weather events are not getting worse and sea levels are not accelerating. “Climatewise”, this is historically the best of times. Nothing like the Little Ice Age. Nothing like the 1930’s when the world was probably much warmer (don’t know for sure world wide for extreme lack of temperature data, but America and Europe certainly went through hell back then). Nothing like the 60’s and 70’s with more severe winters. Who knows what the optimum temperature is? But the optimum is probably right about where it is now. These may actually be THE BEST OF TIMES climatologically, but you’d never know that from the fake news from the lying propaganda press and the exaggerated and mostly unsubstantiated “studies” pouring out of what’s left of taxpayer supported, money grubbing, leftist Academia.

CNN = Fake News and Propaganda and Lies.

(In CNN, the C probably stands for Communist. The first “N” used to stand for news, but that’s been replaced by leftist propaganda. The second “N” must stand for Nefarious.)

Doug Huffman
August 26, 2019 4:12 am

Victor Davis Hanson’s ‘The War Like No Other’ video is 2 hours long but faster than the book that I’m half way through. His previous book that I have read is The Case for Trump, which I will re-read after I finish with the Peloponnesian War.

Panderfest2020 trailer illustrates the contrast in political discourse. It’s just a couple of minutes long.

I find the parallels between American politics and the history of Ancient Greece and the Peloponnesian War disturbing. Victor Davis Hanson consciously draws out these parallels in the video and the book, written in about 2005. Perhaps Victor Davis Hanson will be our Thucydides.

Doug Huffman
August 26, 2019 4:17 am

In re chastity (above),

Scepticism and Animal Faith (1923)

Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and it is shameful to surrender it too soon or to the first comer: there is nobility in preserving it coolly and proudly through long youth, until at last, in the ripeness of instinct and discretion, it can be safely exchanged for fidelity and happiness.
The Works of George Santayana

It is interesting that Santayana included this bon mot on skepticism in ‘Animal Faith’ and not in Reason in Religion or Reason in Science.

Mark - Helsinki
August 26, 2019 4:27 am

This after MSNBCs numerology 😀

Number 8
Number 8
Number 8

The Simpsons & MSNBC 😀

Bruce Cobb
August 26, 2019 4:40 am

His derangement is a toxic stew of ecofascism, pure ignorance, hatred, and TDS. There are many like him out there, though perhaps without a megaphone and a piece of paper saying they are a “doctor”. Well, so was Josef Mengele.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
August 26, 2019 4:42 am

Surely this is hate speech and Trump should sue CNN and the our psycho friend to force an apology.
He could insist any token damages CNN cough up be sent to combat wildfires.

george Tetley
August 26, 2019 4:55 am

CNN == Chit Not News

August 26, 2019 5:11 am

About the President’s official picture at the top of the article. I once saw the same expression in a picture of a WW2 Canadian airman. His wife told me he was hung over when they took the picture.

Mark Broderick
Reply to  commieBob
August 26, 2019 6:21 am

Trump doesn’t drink…period !

old white guy
August 26, 2019 5:24 am

insanity resides in psychiatry.

August 26, 2019 5:35 am

Witch doctors. Never accept medications from these people. Your own delusions are preferable. (That’s not medical advise, it’s logic. They’re crazy and you know it.)

By this logic, psychiatry killed millions under Hitler and ecofreaks killed millions by eliminating DDT to save birds that later they would kill by the hundreds. So, ecofreaks, OWN IT.

John Bell
August 26, 2019 5:52 am

Leftist projection again.

August 26, 2019 6:07 am

This is why psychology and psychiatry are anything but science.

Michael H Anderson
August 26, 2019 6:10 am

I used to wonder if some people were attracted to psychology courses because they wanted to find solutions to their own problems.
I no longer believe this to be the case…

Not that this is the right place to discuss it, but curious as to why you changed your view on this. As Michael Palin said, “a mad psychiatrist, that’s new.” I’ve met psychiatrists who were openly abusive to their patients, and others who were living testimony of how futile even decades of therapy can be. Anyway this one’s obviously off his rocker, mad as a March hare, just plain nuts.

Doubting Thomas
August 26, 2019 6:26 am

Come on people! The guy is a shrink. The old dictum clearly applies. Internists know everything and do nothing, surgeons know nothing and do everything, pathologists know everything and do everything, but always a day late, AND psychiatrists know nothing and do nothing.

When you think about it, a perfect fit for CNN

Walter Sobchak
August 26, 2019 6:47 am

Allen Frances is a very distinguished academic. He taught at New York Hospital Cornell Medical School and was chairman of the psychiatry department at Duke University Medical School. He was the editor of DSM IV (the 4th edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders of the American Psychiatric Association). He was very critical of the 5th edition that superseded the 4th 6 years ago.

He is 77 years old, and as far as I know retired from active practice. I meet him on a more than casual social basis some years ago and he was a very good host to us.

Like every other American, Dr. Frances is entitled to his opinion on subjects of public concern. As a professional, he is bound to not give an opinion about the mental health of a living person he has not examined. However, I think he was trying to disclaim that by saying “he needs to be contained by attacking his policies, not his person”.

Dr. France’s ethical/judicial opinion about Trump’s culpability for climate change and its impact is the opinion of a layman and worth no more than that that of any other layman. It was malpractice of journalism for CNN to put him on television and ask him for his opinion on a subject he has no particular expertise on. Stelter’s excuse that he was distracted by equipment problems is simply lame.

None of this is to say that I agree with Dr. Frances. I think his statement is truly deficient because of number of scientific and political facts. In short, the belief that “climate change” is a net harm to humanity is the top layer of a multi layer cake of theories and inferences none of which are well founded or well established. Sadly, I think Dr. Frances like millions of other people in the US and Europe has been caught up in a campaign of hysteria that has created a climate of fear.

OTOH, I think some of the commentors on this page have over reacted to something that is quite trivial. I hope that the readers of this weblog will learn that a calm disposition and analytic thinking are of themselves valuable.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
August 26, 2019 8:54 am

What the “good” doctor is NOT allowed to do is offer pop psychiatric evaluations of anyone, let alone in the MSM. Even though his license is inactive (I looked it up), it should still be pulled for flagrantly violating the Goldwater Rule. He may have also violated ethics guidelines particular to North Carolina, but I haven’t had the time to look.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
August 26, 2019 10:27 am

I know many people that are completely convinced that the “Global Emergency” is real and that “the Earth is on fire”, but none of them have even privately said anything so incendiary as Allen Frances, let alone publicly. Even if he really believes that millions have, or will die because of CAGW, to place it fully at only Donald Trump’s feet is completely irrational. I would like to be kind to the aging Dr. Frances and say he just exercised bad judgement in his pronouncement, but even that is too far to step back, at least for me. I have to say that it was one of the most irresponsible things I’ve ever heard an educated person utter on TV, and that’s saying something in this day and age.

Michael H Anderson
Reply to  Paul Penrose
August 26, 2019 4:45 pm

Very well said, all of it. The argumentum ad misericordiam doesn’t work with me, so no – his age is no excuse. Thanks for this thoughtful analysis.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
August 26, 2019 10:59 am

CNN should vet their guests more fully. The man is a shrink not in any way a climate expert. His comments about Trump’s effect on the world are silly. But I agree that some of the comments on this board are over the top. I think the climate change is way exaggerated. But I also think that Trump is a buffoon. Those two beliefs are not in any way contradictory.

Michael H Anderson
Reply to  hornblower
August 26, 2019 5:23 pm

Yep – a buffoon like a fox. Go, Donald! 🙂

August 26, 2019 6:54 am

So much hangs on that word “may”– Trump may be responsible for millions more deaths.

The word “may” has no contextual impact. You can invert the statement and it has the same impact– Trump may not not be responsible for millions more death. Why? Because it has not happened yet, and because there is no path now that we are taking that will lead to the certifiable outcome of “millions” of deaths or no deaths.

But don’t let that hold back the media.

D Anderson
August 26, 2019 7:24 am

The only way left to escalate this is stories along this line

Trump Is Literally the Anti-Christ.

Joel Snider
Reply to  D Anderson
August 26, 2019 9:41 am

Oh, I think they’ve already gone there. Try cross-referencing Nostrodomus’s ‘anti-Christs’.

August 26, 2019 7:24 am

Very little is said without the approval of the network and distraction is not an excuse.

And in this case says the same ones who carried on and on and on about the Russia influence in the election hoax now disproven. Now they are promoting climate change as a weapon against Trump as usual accusations without proof.

If CNN deserves any credit it is for snide remarks.

Joel Snider
August 26, 2019 7:46 am

Well, CNN is worse than Goebbels – and not just because of Climate Change.

August 26, 2019 8:03 am

The joke is on CNN viewers and their intelligence.

Jeff in Calgary
August 26, 2019 8:36 am

Meanwhile in reality… The USA’s carbon emissions continue to decline.

August 26, 2019 8:54 am

It’s a wonder he didn’t throw Pol Pot in for good measure.

August 26, 2019 9:15 am

After 27 semester hours of psychology courses, easy elective courses when taking an engineering curriculum, the things that became apparent to me were:
1. People who have such problems only get better once they recognize what their problems are irrespective of any treatment by professionals.
2. All of my professors had fairly serious personality defects and scientific/math deficiencies except for one.
3. And he was a psychoanalyst, which requires a PhD in clinical psychology, an MD and going through personal psychoanalysis. He also had the benefit of common sense none of which were apparently benefits enjoyed by Dr. Frances.

Reply to  JimG1
August 26, 2019 10:40 am

JimG, I took a sociology elective….I similarly found the profs were were math/science/common sense illiterate, in their case with extremely pompous personalities that made them notable to impressionable arts and poli-sci students, that I now recognize as symptomatic of the Dunning Kruger effect….my engineering profs, for the most part, were highly intelligent, very knowledgeable, soft spoken individuals who had a knack of making you feel small as an amoeba when you made mistakes, basically chastizing one for having a brain, not using it, and needing to fix that real soon….

August 26, 2019 10:44 am

JimG, I took a sociology elective….I similarly found the profs were were math/science/common sense illiterate, in their case with extremely pompous personalities that made them notable to impressionable arts and poli-sci students, that I now recognize as symptomatic of the Dunning Kruger effect….my engineering profs, for the most part, were highly intelligent, very knowledgeable, soft spoken individuals who had a knack of making you feel small as an amoeba when you made mistakes, basically chastizing one for having a brain, not using it, and needing to fix that real soon….

Wiliam Haas
August 26, 2019 11:56 am

The reality is that climate change is happening so slowly that it takes networks of very sophisticated sensors, decades to even detect it. We must not mix up climate cycles which are part of the current climate with true climate change. Based on the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, the climate change we are experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. Despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and there is plenty of scientific rationale to support the idea that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero so even if we eliminated all CO2 from our atmosphere which would end life on this planet as we know it, eliminated all CO2 from our atmosphere would have no effect on climate. But even if we could somehow stop the Earth’s climate from slowly changing, extreme weather events and sea level rise would continue because they are part of the current climate. So the best that we can do to protect ourselves from the ravages of extreme weather events and sea level rise is to improve the economy so that we can invest more in improving infrastructure that protects us from the ravages of extreme weather events. I believe that is what the president is doing.

J Mac
August 26, 2019 12:12 pm

Dr. Frances is suffering from Delusional Reality Fluidity, a mental malady increasingly correlating with Trump Derangement Syndrome.

August 26, 2019 12:24 pm

512 days and counting…

Robert of Texas
August 26, 2019 1:32 pm

CNN is worse than Paul Joseph Goebbels, Agitprop, and CCPPD for all their flat out lying and disinformation.

(hehe, two can play at this game)

August 26, 2019 3:36 pm

Same old wheeze we’ve been hearing for at least 50 years: “It’s for the children….”

August 26, 2019 7:01 pm

So Tokyo Rose never really went away, she became a cable news network.

Joel Hassman
August 26, 2019 8:46 pm

As a fellow psychiatrist, what Frances did, as well as his coworker on that same set, Brandy X Lee shows disregard for the Goldwater rule that Psychiatry is supposed to follow in making public comments about a person that a professional has never seen or interacted with clinically.

Brandy X Lee should be brought up on charges of inciting violence against the president of the United States, and thus lose her license as a psychiatrist, and perhaps be incarcerated. Allen Frances, he should be embarrassed and forced to slink away into the recesses of the corridors of community colleges, banned from Duke forever…

August 27, 2019 12:18 pm

I am not sure it is all Trump derangement syndrome but it is a welcome respite from the alt left media blaming
everything they don’t like on the earths fever .
To me there is a much bigger business plan like a globalist agenda that hit a giant pot hole and they are getting increasingly agitated .
All these loony claims show their complete disdain for public .
The Democrats are short listing in electable people and they know it so they are just going full on squirrely .
Can you imagine spewing , ranting Bernie nationalizing the fossil fuel industry . Good luck with that election platform . How about the cheating fake Indian princess or Spartacus impersonator bug eye Booker .
No wonder they are going crazy .

August 27, 2019 6:10 pm

CNN is racist . Racist to the ratings bottom .
Sooner or later you would think they are going to hit hard pan support but they keep falling .
Don’t you love a company that can just burn cash ? Owners on a corporate suicide pact .
So deeply embedded in the drive of Agenda 21 goals to convert the USA to communism they have just gone nuts . The plan has been exposed and now it just isn’t fun .
Take your ball and go home CNN . You have lost it .

LOL@Klimate Katastrophe Kooks
August 27, 2019 6:14 pm

Funny story… back in my Usenet days, I knew Mike Godwin. He’s a leftist kook.

I drop-kicked him so hard that he started Godwin’ing me, leading to much hilarity… that was the impetus behind the notoriety of the reductio ad Hitlerum… Godwin refused to follow the rules of his own memetic device and concede defeat by being the first to play the Godwin card in our online argument.

The very first person to ever formally play the Godwin card was Godwin. Sure, others did it before him, but that was before Godwin had even conceived of reductio ad Hitlerum, so Godwin was the first. That’s why it’s named after him… not in honor, but to point and laugh at the guy who conceived of, then used, then refused to follow the rules of, the Godwin. LOL

August 28, 2019 6:56 am

So now we are judging people based on crimes they “might” commit in the future? Should just throw my neighbor to prison then. I’m sure he will eventually commit a crime. Why? Because I say so.

Forget Trump already. How about China? Or India? Or the Third World? When will these eco-fanatics start demanding that US will immediately nuke these countries to hell before they destroy our fragile and weak-ass planet with their evil coal plants.

August 28, 2019 12:18 pm

The statement about Trump being worse than 3 of the words biggest mass murders says everything you need to know about the IQ of the CNN base they are trying to hold on to .
All Trump has done is reduced unemployment, stood up for the country while so far trying to stay out of wars ,
and ripped the facade of the MSM for being a criminal cartel of communist lovers .
The difference in the USA is those false comments would have that commentator “disappeared” in the era of Stalin , Hitler and Zedong. I assume the idiot doesn’t have family but they would be gone to by now too .
Welcome to America . You can be a complete moron and live another day .
Just wait time the “mad man ” gets reelected . The alt left will have another 4 year melt down but it’s funny they never move out of the USA as promised they just cry and stamp their feet and make idiot statements on tanking CNN .

Steven lonien
Reply to  Amber
August 30, 2019 1:31 pm

Then again there is truth .you are not gonna be here anyway remember ? ya got lots of oil radiation gas to take with you. an all them gold bars in space x one way. My children have a life to live yet Please amber

August 29, 2019 10:34 pm

One day, if you happen to live long enough, there will be six inch headlines in all major newspapers:
“Psychiatrist (or psychologist) helps patient!”
It will be big news as it will be a first.

Steven lonien
August 30, 2019 1:31 pm

Then again there is truth .you are not gonna be here anyway remember ? ya got lots of oil radiation gas to take with you. an all them gold bars in space x one way. My children have a life to live yet Please amber

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