From The Daily Caller
9:39 AM 05/22/2019 | Energy
Michael Bastasch | Energy Editor
- Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore will testify before Congress on the U.N.’s alarming biodiversity report.
- Moore says the report’s “highly exaggerated claims” are “a front for a radical political, social, and economic ‘transformation’ of our entire civilization.”
- The U.N. report warned that 1 million plant and animal species could be at risk of extinction due to human development and global warming.
Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore will tell House lawmakers an alarming United Nations report on biodiversity is political activism masquerading as credible science, according to written testimony.
“It is clear that the highly exaggerated claims of the [U.N.] are not so much out of concern for endangered species as they are a front for a radical political, social, and economic ‘transformation’ of our entire civilization,” Moore will tell lawmakers Wednesday, according to written testimony The Daily Caller News Foundation obtained.
Moore is set to testify in front of the House Committee on Natural Resources, sitting alongside U.N. scientists who recently issued an alarming report warning that 1 million species were threatened with extinction.
“Their recommendation for an end to economic growth alone condemns the developing world to increased poverty and suffering, and economic stagnation in the developed countries,” Moore wrote.
Experts on the U.N.’s biodiversity panel, called the IPBES, will likely present a different picture than Moore. Sir Robert Watson, a British chemist who led the most recent IPBES assessment, called the report an “ominous warning.” (RELATED: Media Company Came Up With A New Term For Climate Change. Critics Say It’s Just More Fear-Mongering)
“The health of ecosystems on which we and all other species depend is deteriorating more rapidly than ever,” Watson said on the assessment’s release in early May.
The IPBES report generated apocalyptic media headlines. A CNN correspondent summarized the report as humans need to be “consuming less, polluting less and having fewer children.”
“This is not a new phenomenon,” Moore says. “The so-called Sixth Great Extinction has been predicted for decades. It has not come to pass, similar to virtually every doomsday prediction made in human history.”
Moore is skeptical of IPBES’s extinction warning, which is an extrapolation of data gathered by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN). Moore put more weight behind the IUCN numbers.
The IUCN has evaluated roughly 98,500 plant and animal species since 2000. Of those, the IUCN considers about 27,100 threatened with extinction, but that also includes “vulnerable species” with a small chance of extinction this century.
IPBES assessed that “an average of around 25 percent of species in assessed animal and plant groups are threatened, suggesting that around one million species already face extinction, many within decades, unless action is taken.” That’s based on highly uncertain estimates there are 8 million species on Earth.
“This is highly unprofessional,” Moore says. “Scientists should not — in fact, cannot — predict estimates of endangered species or species extinction based on millions of undocumented species.”
“The IBPES claims there are 8 million species,” Moore says. “Yet only 1.8 million species have been identified and named. Thus the IBPES believes there are 6.2 million unidentified and unnamed species. Therefore one million of the unknown species could go extinct overnight and we would not notice it because we would not know they had existed.”
The IUCN admits its assessments focus “on those species that are likely to be threatened” and that any extrapolation “would be heavily biased” — in other words, an overestimate.
When reached for comment, however, the IUCN said “it is wholly appropriate for scientific researchers such as the IPBES assessment authors to” extrapolate extinction threats based on their limited data. IUCN experts worked on the IPBES report, the group said.
The IPBES told TheDCNF its experts “conservatively” extrapolated out the extinction based on methods “that have been subjected to no fewer than two full rounds of open international peer-review over a three year period.”
According to greenpeace, Patrick Moore isn’t one of their founders. You might say greenpeace “extincted” Patrick Moore.
/snark
+1
Ah, this again.
Patrick Moore WAS a founder, of course. Greenpeace now denies this. If you call lying … “extincting” (which I’m gathering you do in a sarcastic spirit), then okay, you are positively correct — Greenpeace “extincted” (i.e., lied about) Patric Moore.
I’m glad we cleared that up … AGAIN. (^_^)
Yes, I was being very sarcastic. :-> I have zero respect for greenpeace.
Before anyone says the US should get out of the UN consider…
The US, as a founding member, has VETO power to eliminate any tactic the UN tries.
If the US were OUT, the UN would have unlimited power over the remainder nations and NO US direct moderation.
If the US got out of the UN, it would have to run on 78% of its current budget. The remaining major UN funders would be:
Japan: 9.68%
China: 7.92%
Germany: 6.39%
France: 4.86%
UK: 4.46%
Brazil: 3.82%
Italy: 3.75%
Russian Federation: 3.09%
Every other country is under 3%.
I suspect if the US pulled out, China would essentially buy a wanna-be world government at a fire sale price.
A U.S. veto only in the UN Security Council; the rest is run by socialists and Third World kleptocrats. Think North Korea on the UN Human Rights Council.
A major world economic power, Taiwan, was kicked out at China’s insistence.
Get the U.S. out of the UN.
If the US was out of the UN, nothing it did would have any impact on the US, so our not being able to veto their nonsense would only hurt those countries stupid enough to stay in.
Our not being in would lead to the remainder becoming a one world government with U.S. being the only stand out. It would enable eventual full implementation of Agenda 21 over 99% of all existing governments. As long as we have Veto power, Agenda 21 can’t happen globally (so long as a Socialist Democrat isn’t in office).
We don’t have veto power over Agenda 21 now.
Ummmm… and how is that our problem? The UN has no actual power anyway, without an ability to raise an army and no tax power to pay them even if they did. Really, all the UN can do is endlessly issue resolutions.
Actually if you go to snopes they hide a link within their screed that shows a historical webpage from GreenPeace in the 1980s. It clearly shows Patrick Moore in the picture and names him as a founding member.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/03/dr-patrick-moore-was-right-greenpeace-is-full-of-shit/
Greenpeace deplatformed Patrick Moore after a consensus judged him to be “unworthy”, then labeled him “deplorable”.
Ironically, it is a greater honour to be deemed ‘unworthy’ and ‘deplorable’ by Greenpeace, than it was to be a co-founder of that organization. Patrick Watson takes a stand on principle, accepts the facts as they are, and understands that our earth’s environment is intricate, complex and robust. He has earned our respect. Those who twist the data to suit their agendas have earned our contempt.
Patrick Moore was largely responsible for the cessation of the vile baby harp seal Kill in Canada, nuclear testing in the Pacific and saving the whales most notably amongst many other achievements. I would argue a great man, but Greenpeace wants to disassociate themselves from him? I empty my nose in their pockets!
Then the fascist left moved into Greenpeace and now he has to fight the former environmental movement to save us from them. The UN will pay no attention to him, they will agree with….”the consensus.” ‘Consensus’ being code for the deals they have cooked up in back rooms that make each other hugely wealthy and enable their Caligula-lite lifestyles.
We need a scientific body to examine controversial science, the only way peer review can work is with the possibility of a powerful well funded body potentially about to peer over your shoulder at any given minute and without warning. And with career ending penalties and a highly visible excommunications we will see what the consensus is on global warming is then, and the care with which a peer review is handled, given the consequences if the author couldn’t replicate his findings satisfactorily.
If it were done retrospectively especially, that would take care of anyone thinking they can get away with it under a particular Gov. because of that’s Gov. attitude towards GW etc was that they were safe from examination…if they think the next Gov can come in a and examine them retrospectively.
Anyway the current rules are completely mental and this insanity was always going to happen sooner or later, its not as though very many people haven’t made speeches warning of it in the past etc.
I would get Patrick Moore to head it up, Ted Cruz to prosecute and Vlad the Impaler to use his imagination on the penalties. And the current load of crap above would most definitely be investigated.
I looked at this post via the home pages and instantly thought “I wonder how long in the comments before the “Patrick Moore didn’t found Greenpeace” meme gets a mention”.
I predicted 5 posts. Off by 4.
It is clearly a case of POOMA numbers, not even SWAG numbers.
But they did get press coverage, which I do believe was their intent all along.
I prefer POOTA ….
and it sounds like a valid description of their activities …..
Thank you, Dr. Moore. Keep up the good work.
Ditto.
Dr. Moore, thank you for speaking out on this huge issue! A voice of sanity is welcome.
is this the same Moore?
It’s the same Moore. I’m not sure who the alarmist is, but it’s a lame video full of alarmist propaganda. It’s not for me.
It’s not alarmist propaganda. It’s pure ignorance. Try to see the video. The guy that talks over PM it’s auto-mocked considering is complete lacking of science knowledge.
completely anonymous twat does not know anything but seems to think he can contradict Dr Patrick Moore.
If you stuff PURE CO2 up your nose it will react with the water in your membranes to form carbonic acid, which is … acidic. Same on your tongue. You have just disctovered that an acid is acidic and is not tasteless. “But, hey, chemists understand all this”. Shame he did not speak to a chemist.
We breathe out ( excrete as he prefers to say ) at much higher concentrations than it occurs in the atmosphere but no one ever says your breath smells of CO2. He also compares AGW by CO2 to an electric kettle then goes “there you are” like it is a formal proof of global warming. What a total jerk.
I’ll add that the pH when CO2 dissolves in water is higher than (less acidic) rain water. That’s how tasteless it is.
Surprised that you got that far. I stopped at the “carbon” v “carbon dioxide” debate. Carbon pollution eg soot, is real. Its not a GH gas and does not dissolve in nasal fluid or saliva.
More on Moore: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/03/dr-patrick-moore-was-right-greenpeace-is-full-of-shit/
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6012997442001/#sp=show-clips
What a prat!
Youtube user “Thunderf00t”. About Thunderf00t;
The true beauty of a self-inquiring sentient universe is lost on those who elect to walk the intellectually vacuous path of comfortable paranoid fantasies.
Hummm…
Thunderfoot is great for debunking pseudoscientific bullshit, but he has a couple of absolutely gigantic blind spots. AGW is one of them.
His work studying the mechanism of alkali metals reacting with water is fascinating.
CO2 is another as others have pointed out.
How can anyone ignore this important statement?
“The IBPES claims there are 8 million species,” Moore says. “Yet only 1.8 million species have been identified and named. Thus the IBPES believes there are 6.2 million unidentified and unnamed species. Therefore one million of the unknown species could go extinct overnight and we would not notice it because we would not know they had existed.”
The long into the future modeling guesses has become a standard for Pseudoscience babble.
Right. Scientific thinking has been substituted with magical thinking.
Post-normal science has indulged in conflation of logical domains through inference of time, space, the universe, and beyond. They want to believe. They are impatient.
I suspect Unicorns were one of the species that disappeared without our ever seeing one. I can suggest a few others: Slithy Toves, Mome Raths, Pixies…
Don’t forget Leprechauns
WHO, in their right mind, pays ANY attention, to anything, the UN says or proposes? They have proven themselves to be bumbling idiots! #IAMPCBOB
No one. In their ‘right mind’.
Robert
Leftist leaders, who want others scared, so they can be controlled, listen very carefully to UN science fraud.
This paragraph was also my big take-away from the story, which shows how Fake News starts.
The story could have been summarized as this.
Scientists estimate one (1) million of the eight (8) million species will go extinct if we do not address climate change.
Patrick Moore informs that we have identified fewer than 1.8 million of the so called 8 million species. So if we lost 1 million of the remaining 6.2 million unidentified species, no one would know.
+1 But “anyone” can believe what they want to believe. It’s like our local urban/city coyote problem that the county said eradicating them would only make matters worse because they would then have larger litters. Say what, how’s that work?
Or when they screwed up Yellowstone by killing off the wolves… then the deer overpopulated and devastated the food supply before starving out.
“Scientists should not — in fact, cannot — predict estimates of endangered species or species extinction based on millions of undocumented species.” – Patrick Moore
Yes! Thank you, Mr. Moore! The ludicrous notion that there are more than 6 million unknown species about to go extinct, with no backup for this delusional notion, is -as he has rightfully stated — a power/money grab and nothing else.
And if the IBES report is interpreted as meaning that WE should eat/consume/whatever less, then those insisting the WE do it should set the example. I don’t see any skinny bodies in that bunch of ‘do as I say’ dorks, do you?
Microbes constantly cause other microbes to go extinct. And microbes constantly morph into different microbes. So yeah, probably millions of species go extinct every decade or so. But that has gone on before humans and will continue after humans.
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There is only one way to deal with this never-ending onslaught – develop our species to the full use of fusion power, with a Manhattan-style crash course. Our species, as long as these imperialists do not destroy us, is potentially immortal – we can change our environment, potential population density, without waiting geologic times for genetic chance. That makes us totally out of control by these fossils.
And spread outward to the moon and beyond. Trump’s Apollo follow-on program, Artemis, catches this spirit, albeit does not yet mention fusion.
Let’s give the fossils a little lesson in development, let them watch, writhe, shuffle, slither, squeek.
Why play a fossil’s game, up-end the chessboard!
It really looks like a K-T boundary being approached fast. The species with the highest energy flux density, i.e. mankind’s fusion economy, will survive and wonder at those living fossils. Do thes fossils, in an quadruped-like way, sense their impending doom?
What imperialists?
Poppycock.
The good Lord has strange customers.
When God dies, be sure to throw your hat into the ring.
Well, I think it is because fusion power is not possible, bonbon.
And it may well be the case that it never will be possible.
The only reason to think it is just a matter of spending some money and having a “crash program” to invent a way to get usable power from fusion, is that some people are under the impression that anything that can be imagined or desired is, in fact, possible.
There is no indication that a economically viable fusion power plant can be built.
Believing otherwise is every bit as delusional as the CAGW true believers and warmista climate scientists are.
Now, it may in fact be possible, and may happen soon. Or it may be possible but will not happen for a very long time. It may even be that it is possible but humans will never figure out how to do it.
But it is certainly not inevitable, or just a question of spending some money and very badly needing or wanting to do it.
Maybe we could just have a crash program to invent a transporter beam? We could then just beam tiny bits of the center of the Sun into huge turbine generators.
Or maybe a warp drive, or a wormhole generator, or a time machine, which we could then use to go somewhere more less effed up? Or travel to the future to see if fusion ever gets invented. Then, if we see that it has not been invented long in the future, we can stop wasting our time. And if we find they can do it in the future, we can just bring backs the design specs and materials list and get right to it, toot sweet.
But if we try any of those things, we will, IMO, find out for sure that there are plenty of things we can imagine, and want, and believe in, but that are in fact never going to happen.
Nah, lets uncritically swallow the lies of Michael Bastasch, Marc Morano and Patrick Moore instead.
Sceptics? Lol.
Poor zero evidence Loy-doh !
Name 10 species that have gone extinct in the last 10 years.
And no, NOT imaginary ones. !
And don’t forget that trespassing island rat, Loydo!
You could also ask how many new species have been discovered in the last 10 years too. I know one was a spider.
Ah yes, the standard acolyte whine. Anything that disagrees with your religions convictions must be a lie.
PS: I see you have given up trying to actually support your whines. Good thing, since you were so bad at it.
So thats what the W stands for.
Loydo
What you have swallowed critically? This show continues only because you and your kind swallow everything uncritically. Disgustoid dork.
Down with globalism. Attach ‘crisis’ to ‘biodiversity’ and the Dimms on the Hill run with it (part of the election plan).. It’s an Al Gore trick.
It’s almost as if they have some sort of an Agenda or something.
Oh wait.
+21
International Pseudoscience is the norm and its headquarters is in France.
“… it is wholly appropriate for scientific researchers such as the IPBES assessment authors to” extrapolate extinction threats based on their limited data.”
Yet it is wholly inappropriate to the actual practice of science. The appropriate response would be “We don’t have enough data to be able to make quality conclusions. This person’s comment precisely encapsulates what agenda driven science has become – doing too much with too little.
Mark Twain.
“Thus the IBPES believes there are 6.2 million unidentified and unnamed species.”
Any estimates on how many of those 6.2 million ‘unidentified and unnamed species’ are Carbon Based Life Forms?
Carbon Based Life Forms participate in the Carbon Cycle of Life. The Carbon Cycle requires CO2 to complete. CO2 feeds life. To protect unidentified and unnamed species, we should look to increase current levels of atmospheric CO2.
“The IBPES claims there are 8 million species,” Moore says. “Yet only 1.8 million species have been identified and named. Thus the IBPES believes there are 6.2 million unidentified and unnamed species. Therefore one million of the unknown species could go extinct overnight and we would not notice it because we would not know they had existed.”
Isn’t this the modus operandi for all things eco-Socialist? Imaginary temperatures. Exaggerated droughts. Ridiculous claims. Missing data. Statistical manipulation … computer models that never pan out. Sea levels failing to swamp Miami Beach. And … predictions with timeframes ensuring no currently living human being ever witnesses the truth. Click bait hyperbole with dubious substance backing the claim.
Sadly, the vast majority of the general public reads no further than the click bait title. Mission accomplished.
This is also how we get ridiculously impossible-to-meet limits on certain emissions, by using a model to “extrapolate” and conclude that if 99 units of something causes 99% mortality in an exposed population and 100 units of then same something causes 100% mortality in the exposed population, then 10 units will cause 10% mortality, when in actuality some level may actually improve health and reduce mortality. Think Vitamin A, for example. I suspect another is radiation, though the entire world is so spooked (by Gang Green) WRT radiation that no one can even get permission to conduct research anymore. Many of the heavy metals are probably the same, such as Fe. And the list goes on! So this is a paraphrased quote and I don’t recall the origin, but “All models are bad. Some are actually useful.” But in this case, not much.
It’s worse than that.
They assume that if a certain dose is sufficient to kill 5 mice out of 10, then 1 millionth that dosage in 10 million rats will still cause 5 deaths.
They refuse to recognize the concept that all poisons have thresholds below which they aren’t harmful.
It’s war on many fronts now. Globalism, identity politics, intersectionality, radical feminism, abortion, climate change. It’s all of a piece. I genuinely believe it’s a battle for our cultural and economic survival. I don’t really understand how we got here, but there’s no going back now. I wish I were ten years younger, if only to increase my chances of being around to see how this is all turns out.
You got it!
It’s easy to say paradigm shift, but that’s what’s happening.
Hey, this happens rarely in history – ye are living right in a mighty historic change. And it’s speeding up. And no guarantees – it better turn out good!
As Percy Shelly wrote “giant shadows of futurity” are moving unseen, but known….
Well then, I’m happy to help you understand how it started. The KGB infiltrated every western institution they could, with a particular emphasis on universities. Idiot hippie children, the vanguard of the current titanic global wave of permanently suspended adolescence, had no problem with the message. I mean, what’s not to like? Che Guevera, Fidel, Karl Marx, those cats were HIP, man! Power to the people, right on! You can find excellent interviews with a defected KGB agent on this, most are just snippets but one is the whole 90 minutes. My favorite quote: “we did our jobs almost too well.”
A lot of those kids did grow up and become more or less normal, a HUGE number fried their brains on the psychoactive substances that flooded every country and continue to be our greatest social ill, and ended up in the gutters of the western world; but some became professors. Those professors taught the current generation of profs that Marxism = good/western civilization = evil, and THAT generation is teaching our kids. Albert Gore spent his Uni years (working on his “B. Government,” whatever in hell that might be) smoking weed and playing pool – that’s from his Wikipedia article, his own words. Starting to get the picture?
Rich people love it because they feel guilty about being rich. Celebrities are particularly susceptible because they may have very good reasons indeed for that guilt, cf. Louis “Trump is Hitler” CK and Harvey “massive DNC donator” Weinstein. Left-leaning politicians love it because they want power, money, and influence plain and simple, and find they identify with and can very easily influence the noisy-kiddies-of-all-ages because – another lasting legacy of the Sixties – that suspended-adolescence thing again. *Everything* in our cultural landscape constantly hammers us with the message that youth and conformity with peer pressure are more attractive than age and critical thinking. Oh, right: Disney tells us it’s *okay* to be different. That’s why we ALL LOVE those Disney movies! Sigh…and this CRAP is in our public schools, you’d better believe. My son is in Grade 10 and his social studies curriculum is all about how evil the history of Canada is, completely focused on the negative. The indoctrination is so blatant, grooming even much younger kids to become social justice warriors and throw their lives away, because a society like ours just doesn’t even deserve to exist, not without everyone constantly focusing their minds and energy on filling the Endless Wish List.
But of course this is all just a wild-eyed conspiracy theory, right? Defected KGB agents telling the world what they did, that’s just a false flag thing, man! Bet they’re really CIA, power to the people, right on! Capitalism kills! Epidermal melanin and nonstandard sexual orientation ennoble the human spirit! Ignorance is strength and freedom is slavery!
Hopefully we’re on the same page now. 🙂
Power to the people, and lots of free stuff for me.
Yes we are!
+100 !
The former KGB agent you are referring to is Yuri Bezmenov.
Oops, almost forgot: journalists love it because blood sells ketchup. Depress your audience and they’ll self-medicate with retail therapy. Buy this pickup truck and you’ll be AN AWESOME HUMAN BEING!
And now we return to our coverage of how your truck-driving lifestyle is killing the planet.
Amazing, ain’t it? For a bunch of bloodsucking scum, they aren’t half clever.
one hefty CME or meteor might get the world back to near normal as regards having to live in the real world rather than on a phone or fkbk, none of whats going on now is possible without the few mouthy activists having such access to far too many halfeducated gullibles who are ruled by a like button
I love my pc and the access to info I need without massive effort to get to libraries who may not even have what im after anyway. but if it meant sanity returning Id go without and go back to encyclopaedias
Apparently, hypochondriacs are in no danger of going extinct.
I totally support Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore’s comments. The greens are anti civilization and anti logic. i.e. When the facts do not support their ideology they make up facts.
The observations do not support CAGW, that is a fact.
Lying to push a cause is called propaganda. Lying is not science.
The problem is some people, believe the lies, as ‘scientists’ create and repeat the lies.
http://joannenova.com.au/
Despair out of all proportion:
“A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” Michael Mann, atmospheric science professor and director of the Penn State Earth System Science Center, told ThinkProgress.
“A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,”
And Michael Mann is one of that coalition. And certainly he is a bad actor. !
If we adopt the anti-CO2 agenda, and actually reduce atmospheric CO2 over time, the survivability of the human species, and all other Carbon-based life on the planet, becomes severely threatened.
Distinguished Professor, please.
And don’t forgget his claim to be a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize.
Everybody knows there are 6 unicorn species, of which 1 is now going extinct as we speak. Do not just sit there. DO SOMETHING!
Even if they don’t exist, they face extinction. Just kidding folks, unicorns will be with us forever. It is the one species that will always exist.
Dragons are next. Dragons have been around for centuries. Dragons, the most adaptable species ever invented by writers of fantasy fiction, are facing extinction and none of you care! Shame on you!
No, Noooooo. I’ve been in line for a dragon since Anne McCaffrey’s “Weyr Search” showed up in Analog. It can’t be that I’ll never get one. Not even a “fire lizard.”
What about a used watch-wher?
Or a Charizard
I have novel idea, why don’t they tell us how many actual species have gone extinct due to global warming, not how many might go extinct. I have yet to hear of any species that has gone extinct from global warming from anyone in the climate change community.
They did: An invasive rat that was blown off a small, sea-level island by a series of normal storms. Just 999,999 more to go!
Of course they can and often do claim causation. But I defy any supposed scientist to demonstrate with anything like certainty that global warming is responsible for anything, including any warming.
Well, I dropped some ice on the floor and it melted, so there is that.
If it was still a glacial max period, that ice might still be with us.
Quiz: 1.8million species known. 8millon estimated. Guess which population will make up most of the million to be lost. I would not sign off on this until they gave a list of names from the 1.8m documented. Hey, it’s that important. They should even prioritize the most likely top10,000 species at risk.
They report 150 species a day will be lost – i.e. 30 per day from the known list of species. Now in Curry’s article, the number of distinct different types of lady bugs is greater than that of existing mammal types and the number of weevil distinct variations is greater than the number of fish in the sea. That is enough for a mining engineer to confidently estimate that very few, logically at single digit rates, in a century at the species level could plausibly go extinct. It is also reassuring that nature is so into redundancy that there could even be an increase in weevil types that will be even more resilient. The termination of a weevil type means the hundreds of thousands of its cousins are still there to have a go at my bag of flour and they are well spread out. I hope the common sense group has a go from this angle.
Man! I get this magnificent eclectic education even discussing Luddite science propositions.
I’m a bit curious as to which Curry article you are referencing. Before reading your post I had no idea that so many different species of ladybugs have been identified — roughly the same as the number of mammal species, see http://www.everything-ladybug.com/ladybug-species.html , for instance. There are definitely more ant species than mammal species, somewhere over 8000 species, https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/AlisonOngvorapong.shtml (but is this actually listed somewhere, or is it partially a guesstimate, I wonder).
Where we really seem to get into guesstimate land is in looking at numbers like *these* https://www.factmonster.com/math-science/biology/plants-animals/estimated-number-of-animal-and-plant-species-on-earth
The subtitle on the above mentioned web page says “Believe it or not, there are about 950,000 species of insects “, that’s nine hundred and fifty *thousand*.
Also part of the table on that page we see an estimated 16,000 species of mushrooms, and 5,956 species of *red algae*! I mean, who’d a thought!
I have novel idea, why don’t they tell us how many actual species have gone extinct due to global warming, not how many might go extinct. I have yet to hear of any species that has gone extinct from global warming from anyone in the climate change community.
With any luck, that odd little species , the self-named “climate scientist”, would be one of the first to really become extinct.
What would be the latin name for that that species, I wonder
Climato absurdo ?
Thanks fred250 ! Everybody needs a good laugh everyday.
You named it correctly.
The IBPES’ methods “have been subject to no fewer than two full rounds of CLOSED international PAL-review over a three year period.” There, fixed it for ya! Nothing to see here, folks just move along now.
As a retired engineer, & I’ve said this before, I was always taught to interpolate at will, but extrapolate at your peril!!! Clearly Climate Science is immune to such risks! AtB 😉
Moore says: “The so-called Sixth Great Extinction has been predicted for decades. It has not come to pass, similar to virtually every doomsday prediction made in human history.”
[“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”]
-George Santayana
It is really a shame when bad science is used to justify more bad science in service of a political agenda.
“The IUCN admits its assessments focus “on those species that are likely to be threatened” and that any extrapolation “would be heavily biased” — in other words, an overestimate.”
Just the mentions in the article of species show how it is totally improper to use unknown but estimated error estimates to further estimate the unfounded likelihood that millions of estimated but unknown species may be subject to unmeasured estimates of extinction pressures, known and unknown, and go extinct.
It is hard to see any science in a series of guesses about other guesses using guesses of the processes involved.
OMG, they speak but when I count the feet of these alarmists, why do I keep getting 4?
Bipeds do not play quadruped games.
To repeat Willis Eschenbach: “Show me the bodies!”
Ah yes, Robert Watson, who I mentioned just the other day! The former World Bank and Inter-American Development Bank officer who developed the concept of debt for nature and who is currently Director of Strategic Development for the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research.
Nope, no agenda, nothing to see here folks, please move along quietly.
Take a look at the qualifications of the three from IPBES.
Dr Robert Watson … Chemist.
Dr Eduardo S. Brondizio … Anthropologist
Dr Yunne Shin … quantitative ecologist background in marine fish stocks, and probably the only one of the 3 qualified to say anything.
Nick Stokes and Steve Mosher should ask for a hearing based on the first 2.
If IPBES wants to be taken seriously the first order of business for IPBES is to eject all refugees from other fields, who are not qualified to be there. Second order of business eject all applicants that have activist activities as they can not provide objective views.
The UN has been taken over by anti western radicals. It time to defund it
Biodiversity ? I’m still not convinced that box-jellyfish, blue ring octopus, stonefish, cone snail, to quote few species, are somehow necessary for the survival of the planet.
Equally I’m also convinced that coffee at altitude would be much safer without the prosperous bacteria diversity (population: 308 species) commonly found in aircraft clear water tanks.
The way gym lockers smell is also evidence of biodiversity. So are we bound to stop washing our socks to save the planet from extinction?
Coffee plants are endangered? Don’t tell my wife!
“Biodiversity ?”
There’s your problem. You should ask a biologist.
OK, why don’t you support the notion that the loss of any species spells doom for us all?
Gotcha MarkW, thanks for the tip:
-We are all doomed unless we save all species ! I just registered DynoBackInScam, a non-profit environmental religious cult sect for the preservation of dinosaures. Generous donations welcome !
Next step, fight extinction by regressing back to Cro-Magnon !
Rejoice Loydo, your voice has been heard !
“We are all doomed unless we save all species”
No, you still don’t get it and it seems you just want to stuff a little more straw in and take a swing at MarkW’s puerile all or nothing strawman, good for you.
I still suggest you need to ask a biologist about why box-jellyfish, blue ring octopus, stonefish, cone snail are somehow necessary.
And what is the costs of saving them?
If you know what the biologist would say, why don’t you tell us? If you don’t know then what is the point of your comment?
‘If you don’t know then what is the point of your comment?’
He’s just here as a provocateur. The end.
We’re still waiting for you to name 10 species which have gone extinct in the last 10 years.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01618-4?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20190523&utm_source=nature_etoc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20190523&sap-outbound-id=ABF62C6EBD788882A1B18C21753EB1DD9FE1D29E&mkt-key=005056B0331B1EE7838176A7ADF1F0CD
McHenry: Gotta put a line of explanation if you want people here to click something. The average commenter here is more savvy than at most sites and know that the internet is a despoiled jungle with links for every really worthy click outnumbered 100:1 or more. It also displays that you arent aware of this and ate more easily led than is good for you.
I think most of the people here know NATURE.COM is safe
Most people are busy and won’t click on a link unless given a reason to.
Unfortunately, being recommended by MIKE MCHENRY is insufficient for most.
No it’s in one of the top English language science journals and thus very relevant and important. It would be redundant for me to repeat it. There are bright people reading this blog who do know what’s written in Nature is important. It’s nothing to do with me.
Another thought: I wonder what he hopes to achieve by saying this to the people who are more or less behind it? If we think for a moment that the UN is going to act on his advice versus for example that of the glaringly obvious (to say nothing of well-positioned and very experienced) globalist power broker Watson, we’re fooling ourselves.
It gives me chills to say it, but every day I get closer to completely losing hope that the elitists who want to dismantle western civilization will be thwarted.
I sympathize. At the very least, it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
If it does.
Michael H Anderson
Don’t despair. We have had 40+ years of nothing but failed predictions. The propaganda didn’t work on the adult population so they turned to the children. In 20 years time these kids will grow up watching the world getting greener; they won’t be impressed with having to eat gruel and slave to survive whilst the elitists enjoy banquets.
And if you think about it, this precise thing has being going on in one form or another for thousands of years; terrify the proles and make them pay for the elite’s lifestyle. As has child indoctrination.
And what happens? Nuthin!
Other than we move onto the next scare. The proles remain the cash cows for the elite, and so life goes on, with the proles deluded by the illusion that politics make a difference to anything, other than being the cash generator for the elite.
When a bunch of fraudsters and crackpots are pushing a scam there is always Macaron in the audience.
The U.N. team is stuck with Dr. Watson. No Sherlock Holmes there.
You sense they’re getting more desperate and unhinged the more they’re losing control of the narrative and the power of elite MSM wanes-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/false-narrative-from-polling-may-have-ended-malcolm-turnbull-says-industry-veteran-after-election-results/ar-AABNHL1
On top of Trump Brexit and Yellow Vests the Oz Federal election has really rattled them and their insular world and the hand wringing and breast beating by the usual suspects in Oz is a joy to behold.
The IPBES is like the IPCC in that it is another branch of United Nations. The UN produces self-serving political propaganda, without any pretense to observed reality.
The UN is the real problem. The UN is purely a cancer on humanity and should be treated as any other cancer.
For example, the new leader of the IPBES has no science education whatever. Her CV reveals the details.
https://www.ipbes.net/system/tdf/cv_ana_maria_hernandez_salgar_for_ipbes.pdf?file=1&type=node&id=17581
The solution to IPBES perfidy is to remove it from existence, along withe the IPCC and the UN. Remove all funding immediately. Sell the property under the UN building to a developer. Then sit back and breath a little easier at the reduction in global pollution.
“…The IPBES report generated apocalyptic media headlines. A CNN correspondent summarized the report as humans need to be “consuming less, polluting less and having fewer children.”’.
I find it incredible that CNN interviewed Paul Ehrlich for this so-called extinction “study.” An sane, reasonably intelligent and educated person should have realized a long time ago that the guy’s credibility as a source for a story like this should be a serious question mark after the failed prognostications he made 51 years ago in “The Population Bomb.” But CNN goes and runs to him anyway.
Keep it up CNN. Your credibility goes down another notch with me every time you do something like this.
CNN HAS credibility with you? Colour me astonished – this is the channel that has anchors who make five million dollars a year stage-managing “everything wrong with America is because of the rich” rant-fests without a trace of cognitive dissonance. Even more ironically a lot of that is true, except they’re targeting the wrong rich people.
On the subject of cognitive dissonance, I had a bit of a brainwave a couple of days ago – I wonder if the reason a lot of people on the left have it so badly is, to put it baldly, chronic drug abuse when they’re young and their neural circuitry is still forming. Another free research idea from yours truly to the abnormal psych community; you’re quite welcome.
Perhaps a ‘new’ (Patrick) Moore’s Law can be elucidated:
The stridency of Climate Change alarmist claims will double every 12 years.
Excellent, J Mac!
LOL – excellent!
Galapagos.org:
Evolution quickly fills in empty niches in nature with new species.
Species that no longer adapt to nature go extinct.
All are natural process of nature; adapt or go extinct.
N.B.
Even in the rather pristine world of Galapagos Islands:
Eight of twenty-nine species means 27.6 percent of Galapagos excellent evolutionary example land birds are IUCN Red Listed.
That is:
Red List identification is considered.
Galapagos Islands land birds that are recognized examples of evolutionary process have a substantial portion of species considered endangered.
IUCN and UN biodiversity report both ignore a significant portion of the natural process of evolution; i.e. the part where species that are unable to adapt move into the extinct list.
Unsurprisingly, IUCN and the UN biodiversity report team do their best to blame mankind for every endangered species. They are not neutral objective parties.
Anyone here who has actually read the report?
Guess not, because the report doesn’t exist.
Only the summary for policymakers.
According to my sources, the report is scheduled to be released in the fall!
Anybody here who has seen that before?
RTP, producing the desired policy is so easy.
Manufacturing the evidence,so hard.
Math is hard you know.
At least in the world of our progressive comrades.
As none of the “policy makers” seem to be literate or have any numeric skills, who needs the “report” anyway.
Data? We don’t need no stinking data”.
Works for the IPCC.
“Facts do not exist. Facts are created” Steven Donziger said in the outtakes in the pseudo documentary crude. The whole UN biodiversity report follows the same approach on a much larger scale.
Lets see 6.2 million undiscovered species where do they live? Ah the undiscovered country.
Now we know where extra CO2 is coming from.
michael
The missing CO2 is believed to originate in dark matter. The missing species exist in a dark fog.
Jared Huffman was absolutely despicable during this hearing. He was rude to both Morano, and Moore, trotted out the thoroughly debunked “97” Consensus”, and then with a smarmy tone claimed that Patrick Moore was not a founder of Greenpeace. Very frustrating to watch.
Huffman is a BA Poli Sci (from his Wikipedia bio), then law school. Wow, what a shocker – ZERO science bona fides. Law career had emphasis on feminism and the environment. Legislative career seems to demonstrate fear and loathing of religious people. He looks and sounds like someone who desperately needs a slap in the face from a Baptist coal miner, aka “deplorable.”
Moore’s Wikipedia article doesn’t say he’s a co-founder – probably got Memory-Holed at some point, because I distinctly remember learning that he is ages ago – but does contain this, emphasis mine:
“As Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter wrote, ‘Moore was quickly accepted into the inner circle on the basis of his SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND, his reputation, and his ability to inject practical, no-nonsense insights into the discussions.'”
That certainly hasn’t changed. He has a Ph.D, but WP declines to name the discipline, though does say his initial B.Sc. was in Forest Biology. In short, a sneering Fascist of a career California politico with a hate-on for non-“progressives” versus a genuine scientist who saw the writing on the wall and bugged out of the green movement over 30 years ago.
According to this paper:
https://www.pnas.org/content/99/6/3706
“…24–31% of currently accepted [species] names eventually will prove invalid, so diversity estimates are inflated by 32–44%. The estimate is conservative…”
with the consequence that:
“…current estimates of total global diversity could be revised downwards to as low as 3.5–10.5 million species.”
That paper just erased at least 1.2 million species, in one swell foop.
To echo BonBon:
“LOL – excellent!”!
In various biology/zoology disciplines the terms ‘splitters’ and ‘lumpers’ are used to describe:
A) ‘splitters’ demand to name based upon any noticeable difference; e.g. color, or habitat location.
B) ‘lumpers’ prefer to define species with a much broader analysis/observations.
DNA analysis has changed the Family-species landscape.
Unfortunately, splitters love the immense amount of detailed information DNA provides regarding allele or ‘single nucleotide polymorphism’ (SNP) differences.
Making stuff up for New World Order Socialism. That’s all that anyone affiliated with the Left seems to be doing these days, no matter the topic. Everything is a crisis, an outrage and requires urgent economy altering action.
The missing species exist in a dark fog.
How come I cannot find the original B&W photo showing Patrick Moore as co-founder of Greenpeace? It was published on WUWT several years ago. Where is that photo which was on the Greenpeace website? Google has deleted that photo from images, not even on Duckduckgo images?
Couldn’t find a link to that hearing, but I found this which is great! :
Why Congress? No-one in the real world pays any attention to what goes on there.
“This is highly unprofessional,” Moore says. “Scientists should not — in fact, cannot — predict estimates of endangered species or species extinction based on millions of undocumented species.”
It sure is unprofessional pulling numbers out of your derriere-
‘Scientists have identified about 120,000 species of fungi so far, but estimate there are as many as 3.3 million species in all. By comparison, all living mammals comprise fewer than 6,400 species.’
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/how-did-life-arrive-on-land-a-billion-year-old-fungus-may-hold-clues/ar-AABL0dO
Patrick Moore was a Green Peace co founder (I know because he was a main reason I joined as a kid . ) He was also one if not the only scientist at the time . Green Peace is a corporate bull shit machine now .
The UN has been hijacked by socialist worshipers who crave one world government and massive government intervention in the affairs of sovereign nations .
Maurice Strong , a Canadian was very pro China , went to live there , and wanted to use scary climate as a means to fund the globalist ambitions .
The UN can be a force for good but it has strayed from the core mission to be a front for stealing countries autonomy . Guess who will be pulling the strings ? It sure won’t be the USA who just gets stuck with most of the bill .
Once upon a time, I worked as the Head of Business Development in a gas trading company. As a direct report to the MD I sat in on a weekly meeting where the leading managers of the company discussed the status of things. At one of those meetings, we were presented a market assessment with lots of linear growth predictions. Of course, in proper bureaucratic fashion, they put in high growth, low growth, and a median scenario. It immediately struck me as foolish so I asked if they had even considered something non-linear or, god forbid, no growth but rather market contraction. You should have seen the looks I got. I hardly need to mention that I was not very popular after this. That was when European gas was still on a drug called “endless growth”. Lots of assumptions and projections in this and it all turned out to be garbage. I am happy Dr. Moore brings a bit of sanity to this madness. Projections and assumptions are opinions, no facts. Time for that to sink in.